The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work

Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #100, on June 6th, 2016, 12:34 PM »
Very encouraging.  And your sure the plastic is going to be able to handle the stress of all these wires trying to go wherever they want right?

Also, we don't need nearly so much twist on the wire bundles do we?


Sure going to be a big coil.  Looks like it would power your house if it actually works.   :)

jrodney55

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #101, on June 6th, 2016, 12:47 PM »
Looks great Russ & Matt! Here's a rendering of Ring+all Formers - posting as an attachment - I guess this will work?


~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #102, on June 6th, 2016, 01:31 PM »Last edited on June 6th, 2016, 01:38 PM
so... yes anything past i would say 18 will fit... even 16awg might fit...

23awg wire ordered...

~Russ
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #103, on June 6th, 2016, 01:44 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on June 6th, 2016, 12:34 PM
Very encouraging.  And your sure the plastic is going to be able to handle the stress of all these wires trying to go wherever they want right?

Also, we don't need nearly so much twist on the wire bundles do we?


Sure going to be a big coil.  Looks like it would power your house if it actually works.   :)
yeah i twisted these quite a lot, But, a good twist wont hurt. also, the wire you can bend by hand a bit, and fit it nicly ( no stress) so yeah i think i will be good,

dose seems like a lot of wire. ill get a calculation on length soon... 3 more former's to make...

if i have enough 22 awg I'm going to use it...  then when the 23 AWG gwets here ill make another, else ill have to wait for the wire...

but i got work to do... setting up home shop to be electronics lab :)

(my 44 square floor shop) also its a nice Faraday cage...

~Russ 

jeremy gwilt

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #104, on June 6th, 2016, 01:59 PM »
damn....now it looks even worse! haha...maybe some paint after its all done. my trip for filament was delayed until tomorrow but i scrapped a couple more together.
on the issue of wire size, i have an abundance of 28 awg so im going to try that.....see how it stacks up.

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #105, on June 6th, 2016, 02:05 PM »
it looks just like all your projects! crazy fun times party disco!

good 28 AWG will be a cool test
you should go at it with all your crazy exciters and stuff lol who knows what you will produce!

:)

~Russ
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #106, on June 6th, 2016, 02:08 PM »
FYI Matt, im more worried about the heat generated by the coil than i am about the form holding the wire fine...

and because it all dose in the same direction there are no good ziptie points to hold it all together... ( maybe an epoxy dip)

but if i want to wind it differently i guess its a start over point....

~Russ
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #107, on June 6th, 2016, 06:28 PM »
Well. Pushing the printer ( and the team )  but got it. Now time to get wire length.

Oh and kid aproved.

You guys rock here. No fire gonna stop this train. :)
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #108, on June 7th, 2016, 12:54 AM »
Spent the night cleening up the "tool shed" to make some room for the eletronics work bench RCOUA

Looks like those Swiss cheese holescame in quite nicly.

:) 

No glue. If need be can't take apart. Easy.
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #109, on June 7th, 2016, 01:08 AM »Last edited on June 7th, 2016, 01:11 AM
And!!!!!!!!!


We worked so hard to get here...... 
This is a vacume cord as a test to find the length ...

Now.... For a single wire. How long dose it need to be???? Lets have some guesses

The guess is.
How Manny inches dose it take to make This one " loop" back to the start of the winding?

Come on. Guess away.

Love you guys. :) 

I have such a big grin on my face right now....
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #110, on June 7th, 2016, 01:15 AM »
Ohhhh

Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #111, on June 7th, 2016, 01:21 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 01:08 AM
This is a vacume cord as a test to find the length ...

Now.... For a single wire. How long dose it need to be???? Lets have some guesses

The guess is.
How Manny inches dose it take to make This one " loop" back to the start of the winding?

Come on. Guess away.
I don't know of too many vacuum cords that are longer than 25 feet, so that's real encouraging.
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 01:08 AM
I have such a big grin on my face right now....
Me too.   :D

Love'n it!

Viking

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #112, on June 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM »
Looking good guys,

I think I'll print one too. Having only just recently studied the Rodin coil, it appears to me that it has the same counter-acting principle like many other OU devices - like the Stanley Meyer VIC transformer and coils. He seemingly used more or less conventional winding patterns and a thin ferrite core (for the transformer). But the purpose was the same, generate opposing magnetic fields that create that bubble of energy. In the Rodin coil it seems the current in the two windings go in opposite directions and so the magnetic fields also counter each other. When measuring the inductace of L1, one should see a drop in inductance when L2 is shorted and vice-versa. Since there's no core, the general level of inductance should be low. The capacitance between the turns is also low so one would expect to see "high" parallel and series resonant frequencies. But perhaps that's why the external cap before the rectifier is needed to push down the resonance to the audio range.
We need to put a network analyser on one of those rodin coils. Also mapping the magnetic and possibly electric field (intensity) by scanning it with a hall probe controlled by a 3D printer type of machine would be interesting. It may also be possible to build a model and to do a simulation of the electromagnetics... but most likely one would see there's a pinch of the fields in the middle of it.
A test or even a scan with an accelerometer would also be interesting...
Being a mainly a HHO guy, I'd like to see this coil running a HHO cell. I guess it has to be in the "bubble" and then run by high voltage (the Rodin coil can generate a high voltage..) Remember all the millions of cars and gas/oil heater systems - how are we going to replace those..? we need the HHO systems too.



Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #113, on June 7th, 2016, 02:36 AM »
CNC Version Attached.  Use your CAM application of choice for these basically 2D drawings to generate G-code for your machine.

This version has 1/8" inside cut blends for using an 1/8" router bit and assumes you will be cutting 1/8" material.  The STEP files are in inch units.

If you need a format other than STEP, please let me know and I'll post it.

Happy chipping!
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #114, on June 7th, 2016, 02:50 AM »
Quote from Viking on June 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM
...generate opposing magnetic fields that create that bubble of energy.
That vortex collision image should reveal to everyone, opposing fields DO NOT CANCEL each other out.  Quite the contrary, they create new fields with their own form of dynamics and all the energy behind the collision is still there.  It's just not where you expect it to be.  So bypassing Lenz Law and other limitations is only a matter of using your creative mind to see a solution.

jeremy gwilt

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #115, on June 7th, 2016, 06:41 AM »
i think i had guessed 36 feet but i was tired. i figured 18 inches per wrap, x10 somehow equals 36.
im chaning my answer to 14 foot, 6 inches


~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #116, on June 7th, 2016, 12:00 PM »
Good work Matt. Those look good. !

Also the extra holes in the ring you should add as well as a center one in the former really make it nice to zip tie like I did... Sure. Glue. I know.

Any how. Good guesses guys. Vac cord is 30 foot.

Real mesurment is. 293.2"

So if we make our wire 25 feet we should have enugh to still work with on the ends.

However. We must include the twist.

 I'm still calulating the number of tunrs per inch for the wire.



So we need like 26-27 feet the twist will shrink the length some amount.

So 27 foot x 12 for L1 and the same for L2

 324Foot. For each coil.

A lot less wire than I thought.

It sure puts a smile on my face to look at that coil. Its neet to see a torus come out of this simple jig.

~Russ

Viking

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #117, on June 7th, 2016, 02:55 PM »
Looking at the Nuñes couples videos and how they Wind the coil, there is definitely a lot of capacitance between the individual strands. How much actually depends on how close they are to the previous pair. Definitely if you want reproducability and regularity one would have to sort out the relative position of each strand of wire to the other strands. One could number them 1-12 (if using 12) going in a clockwise direction.

Also from balanced transmission line theory and practical work, it is known that the impedance of a twisted pair, depends on the interwinding capacitance and the relative permittivity of the insulation (which is around 3 for most types as far as I can recall). Putting on more turns per length increases the interwinding capacitance and will cause a decrease in measured impedance.
Impedance affects the propagation speed of the electromagnetic wave and therefore it's resonant frequency.

Apart from that there is also a much smaller inter-cable capacitance which should give rise to an additional, but much higher resonance frequency.

Regarding the coil as a transmission line and putting on a sinewave, should at the basic resonant frequency and it's overtones and harmonics, cause standing waves on it, which can cause high voltage (if open of lightly loaded) and no current or high current (if shorted or loaded) with no voltage. Impedance matching is definitely worth exploring - especially in the case of connecting it to a HHO cell with a specific impedance (mainly capacitive).

So to sum up parameters that should theoretically affect reproducability and resulting characteristics:

1. Order the wire strands
2. Connect them in the same order sequence.
3. Use same wire thickness and insulation.
4. Put on the same number of turns per unit of length - or measure the interwinding capacitance to have the same values.
5. Use the same fixture to have the same inter-cable distance and wire length.

Will be Building one soon. Too bad I don't have access to a real Network analyzer (yet..) ;-)

jrodney55

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #118, on June 7th, 2016, 06:39 PM »
Hey Russ & All - great work so far - looking forward to seeing you finish & fire this thing up.

I picked up a little program called KnotPlot - creates all kinds of torus knots, braids, chains, etc. Trying to figure out how to use it. Not sure if it can calculate lengths - don't think so - but could be useful.

~Russ

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #119, on June 7th, 2016, 07:24 PM »Last edited on June 7th, 2016, 07:27 PM
wow Jim, that's a really cool program. is it a free program?

@1:12 min


https://youtu.be/6suBqQu975I?t=4338

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #120, on June 7th, 2016, 08:09 PM »
not that this is that helpful but its interesting, resistance or coil dezighn? i ether way 5 1/2 hrs run time compared to 10 min is a segnicifent result...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZWUNC3fsg

~Russ
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #122, on June 7th, 2016, 08:13 PM »
Quote from Viking on June 7th, 2016, 02:06 AM
Looking good guys,

I think I'll print one too. Having only just recently studied the Rodin coil, it appears to me that it has the same counter-acting principle like many other OU devices - like the Stanley Meyer VIC transformer and coils. He seemingly used more or less conventional winding patterns and a thin ferrite core (for the transformer). But the purpose was the same, generate opposing magnetic fields that create that bubble of energy. In the Rodin coil it seems the current in the two windings go in opposite directions and so the magnetic fields also counter each other. When measuring the inductace of L1, one should see a drop in inductance when L2 is shorted and vice-versa. Since there's no core, the general level of inductance should be low. The capacitance between the turns is also low so one would expect to see "high" parallel and series resonant frequencies. But perhaps that's why the external cap before the rectifier is needed to push down the resonance to the audio range.
We need to put a network analyser on one of those rodin coils. Also mapping the magnetic and possibly electric field (intensity) by scanning it with a hall probe controlled by a 3D printer type of machine would be interesting. It may also be possible to build a model and to do a simulation of the electromagnetics... but most likely one would see there's a pinch of the fields in the middle of it.
A test or even a scan with an accelerometer would also be interesting...
Being a mainly a HHO guy, I'd like to see this coil running a HHO cell. I guess it has to be in the "bubble" and then run by high voltage (the Rodin coil can generate a high voltage..) Remember all the millions of cars and gas/oil heater systems - how are we going to replace those..? we need the HHO systems too.
that sure is interesting how the energy transfers to a " nested vorticy" 

good stuff, if there is something to see i think we will find it...

~Russ
Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #123, on June 7th, 2016, 08:46 PM »Last edited on June 7th, 2016, 08:48 PM
coil extracted from video , its quite twisted! so the wires on this coil are very twisted, i'm sure there is an optimal twist... but for now we don't have that...

so im going to twist some up tonight... ill be thinking about the proper twist if we look at the math... its fractal... but how much...
 
this photo shows about 1 turn / "

so if we have 25 feet of wire, we need 300 turns...

Matt Watts

Re: The Rodin Coil Over Unity Energy Amplifier. Russ's Work
« Reply #124, on June 7th, 2016, 09:40 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on June 7th, 2016, 08:46 PM
coil extracted from video ,
I did not see the crisscross winding in this picture, but your picture clearly shows it.

So how do we wind a crisscross pattern and where does L1/L2 go?

Is 007's coil pretty much identical to Daniel's except for the six shorted windings?