Quote from Ris on December 6th, 2015, 03:33 AM

he made a promise to me ,you have something against that .Losing data is not possible , but before losing data What did You take to prevent Ronnie from choking.

Its not right on an open forum to do so and what can you possibly gain from it besides glory seeking and self gratification?

Ronnie you could start by telling people what the two holes are really doing on the VIC, you know the one between the two chokes and the one between the pickup and the secondary and what the 220 Ohm resistor really does when it sucks the primary dry and shuts the core down. Why the primary is sat directly over one of the holes where we cannot see the gap in the core?
Instead of us spending months trying to figure coils and cancelled fields and getting it wrong. This is supposed to be a forum where we help each other not for just a select few glory seekers who keep it all for themselves.

oh yes glory,must be that glory slipped out of my equation.Recently I've been thinking, all these great people before and after Sten M like Tesla and others.why they are not in spite of great intelligence why they could not make a better world for all of us.then must be, their desire for fame .but it is not true that they have failed,They have achieved the greatest human achievements not in the design of technical toys but in overcoming their own desire for fame and money and all the rest off us failed giveing them support because God forbid that someone really intelligent earn some money       Now tell me that I am wrong. nav

Quote from Ris on December 6th, 2015, 04:26 AM

oh yes glory,must be that glory slipped out of my equation.Recently I've been thinking, all these great people before and after Sten M like Tesla and others.why they are not in spite of great intelligence why they could not make a better world for all of us.then must be, their desire for fame .but it is not true that they have failed,They have achieved the greatest human achievements not in the design of technical toys but in overcoming their own desire for fame and money and all the rest off us failed giveing them support because God forbid that someone really intelligent earn some money       Now tell me that I am wrong. nav

That is not the argument, the argument is that you KNEW the dielectric property of water was 3, you all KNEW that the VIC primary is a bridge that you suck dry with a 220 Ohm resistor and close the core and you KNOW other facts no doubt, yet you watched and allowed good people to waste good money doing the wrong thing. You allowed people to walk the wrong path when all you ever needed to be was sincere and honest. It is those qualities that make the world a better place, not dishonesty and misleading people through silence. YOU HAVE MISLED PEOPLE THROUGH SILENCE. It is not in the interest and good will of good men to do so and I am ashamed of you all.
Silence is the most perfect expression of scorn. - George Bernard Shaw

Silence is the most perfect expression of scorn. - George Bernard Shaw  "really"
The Bible says, first you have to give something in order to receive something
in this case, I did not ask for anything so shame comes from your side not my

Quote from Ris on December 6th, 2015, 04:52 AM

Silence is the most perfect expression of scorn. - George Bernard Shaw  "really"
The Bible says, first you have to give something in order to receive something
in this case, I did not ask for anything so shame comes from your side not my

Is that what you think Tesla thought when he gave ac voltage to the world? Is that what Tesla thought when he was going to provide free wireless energy to the world? I don't think so.
He wanted nothing back, but JP Morgan did and that makes you like JP Morgan with an attitude that someone somewhere always has to pay a price. The very same attitude that has made this world an hateful and scornful place. This forum isn't about anyone having to 'pay', its about exchanging ideas that will make the world a better and cleaner place for us all to prosper, not just a select few who can pay in either money or knowledge.
Most of the people I know working on projects like this are doing it because they want a better world, you are doing it for your own reasons and you are prepared to see everyone else fail in doing so.
I can hold my head up with pride and tried to help people. You can't hold your shameful head up anywhere and thats a fact Morgan.

you just do not want to understand-you want at all costs make a machine which will free people from paying right
during this process you"re spending your money on mistakes which you're not aware this is quite normal no one knows everything right.did not you dropped the idea on mind that I perhaps do not working A few years.in this world is just fine spend money on ignorance,and during this process a couple of hundred thousand dead is not a a major problem this we will resolve later right.

see you thought that I have some money or that I'm rich and that I want more-I can not pay even this Internet connection lol.not mony but lack of money is made me what I am,I saw my problems and the the worlds problems,So I decided to solve that problem with learning and reading.see no machine can save anyone only honestly and sincerely thinking leads to solutions of problems.

guys - cooperative path would have been much faster and a complete system would be up and running for more than a year.

think about professionalism and workload sharing not in a business money making way but more in a way aboriginees are working and interacting perfectly well to make their living.

I agree to nav.

this is not a about me-I just gave friendly advice to you,you demanding something and already gave you the answers in advance also Ronnie gave you ,and What did you doo,I also told you if you do not know some things then ensure that you get the information with reading,If you can not such, then've secure help for a person who knows something not with throwing money on unnecessary things .only united we can do something otherwise it's just a machine and people can not eat machines

Just woke up and looked at this thread and all i can say is WOW!   I guess i better address some of this before it get's way out of hand.
Nav, you don't understand what has went on in the past that caused all this silence on my part. I really don't want to get into all of that in this thread. I would be happy to talk to you about it in a email or pm. But it is all in good reason is all I will say. You made a statement in one of your post that money talks and bulls#$% walks. There was this man that had $120,000.00 in his hand at one time that was capable of suing me for false accusations. There was also a man (which was me) that had the knowledge and they both clashed. Long and short of it all, I let the man with the money talk and have two conferences and the man with the knowledge walked. Anyone can call my knowledge bulls#$% if they want to, it doesn't bother me at all, (never has and never will.) As far as the knowledge of holding things back. I have been as open and honest in all my post to everyone. Everything I have said here has been said in my own personal thread. Good example is what has been discussed here about the dielectric changing from water to gas. How many times can you go to my thread and other places and show me where i told everyone that you had to start at 2 volts and tune and raise the voltage to 4 volts and tune and so on and so on. What is this telling you? I will answer it for you, it is telling everyone that i was tuning into the dielectric (properties of water) even Stan told everyone that was what he was doing. I would assume people has no clue what the dielectric properties of water is. I can't help if people don't have the common since to research about things they know nothing about. All anyone would have to do is google dielectric properties of water and they would have gotten the same answer I did. Everything anyone needs to know is in Stan's documents. Some of it is based and written on that the person reading it knows some of the terms, formulas and words used. If you don't know the terms, formulas and words that he used that's where people needs to do research. And my best answer for those that know nothing about any of this is, don't be fooling with it. As far as my promise, I don't regret it at all based on what has went on in the past. The people that I made a promise to, made a promise to me also, that they would not share anything I told them. And my promise to them was that I would not show anything working until they was able to show it working to. So if I ever run out into a parking lot like Stan did, I will know that my knowledge is shared with people I trust and they will carry on with what they know. It's not that they know anymore than i posted in my own thread, it's just that I didn't beat around the bush with them, I explained it to them in full detail and saved them some research time. Now as far as saving people money on trial and err, I have worked on this for over 10 years now, I have spent at least $20,000.00 dollars on this out of my own pocket, and I have never once seen anyone feel sorry for me (and never expected them to) and send me anything to help in my research. Now in the last year or so I have had a few donations to help with the GMS unit project (and one donation came from this forum and I thank you Matt Watts) but that has nothing to do with the 20,000.00 or more that went into 10 years of work. I got nothing from people for my $20,000.00 dollars with the exception of the Estate Files (and I personally Thank Don and Russ for that), I have gave and gave and made things for people to help them with there projects thinking they were friends and they turn around and stuck a knife in my back. I'll just tell it like it is, If people can't afford the cost of this, they better get out of it and not fool with it in the first place. I'm not here to save people money, That is not my responsibility, just like i never thought it was anyone's responsibility to save me any. Now back to the hole in the bobbins and the primary, anyone with common knowledge would know if you drilled a hole where the core material comes together would know that is a adjustment for the cores. Again if you don't know what that adjustment does what are you fooling with this in the first place. As for you saying the primary is over the hole, no it's not the primary is the smallest coil, the feedback coil is over the hole. If your referencing my VIC i showed in my video yes i use the feedback coil as my primary, It had nothing to do with it being over the hole. It was for testing purposes only because there were two wires wrapped together and I could see what the outcome would be if i only used one wire or tie them both together to see a result I wanted to see. I hope this has answered some questions and we can get back to the topic. And at anytime if I am not welcome here in this thread or any other thread just let me know there will be no problem or hard feelings at all.

Please don't let this deteriorate any further, keep to PM if you want to discuss Ronnie's work.
This was and still is a very important thread for those tinkering with Meyer's tech, let's keep it that way.
I know this is your thread Nav, but being a mod means stepping in when the discussion heats up, hopefully even before things turns south, not a very thankful thing to do but that's all part of being a mod I guess.

Lynk, I will bow out of this thread before anything like that takes place. I was here to help and thought i was helping I even got a few emails thanking me for the information that I shared here in this thread. It's not that I don't want people to have the information, But there should not be a problem for anyone to have to work for it a little. If I see anyone trying to work for it, they have gotten extra help through pm's or email. Nav knows that.

We're all grateful for your help Ronnie, it's more than welcome.
Needless to say this is quite a spectacular topic, if that's even an appropriate term to use in this case.
I mean, Meyer's tech has the power to shut down all and any fossile fuel industries there are, BIG money is at risk here, the powers that be probably already has the means waiting in the wings to shut down this and other forums such as this the day your build goes public.
But that's OK, as soon as it's ripe for sharing with the rest of us, I and my fellow staff members will do our very best to help spread the word about it, to as many people as possible and also keep the torrent of unwanted trolls at bay that which no doubt would pop up here just because.
I can't wait for that day to happen.
The best of luck to you and your team Ronnie, take care.

Thanks Lynks for you kind words and understanding. Kind words and understanding will get us all there a lot faster. The other way will just slow things down even more, that's what has cause this mess in the first place.

Ronnie, i'm not ungrateful for the information you shared, nobody is but its not about that. Politics and money have wormed their way back into proceedings and its not right.
All those years ago when Tesla tried to give us a gift it was stopped by JP Morgan, when Stan tried to give us a gift they killed him.
I thought this forum was about putting wrongs to right, about information sharing and making this world a better place but instead we are back to square one with secrecy, treachery and deceit rearing its ugly head.
Don't tell people this, don't tell people that and if you do then withold something else. I'm sorry Lynx but its not my idea of a forum and I don't want to be involved anymore. I know you've spent money Ronnie, so have I and a lot of other people but it doesn't mean that either you or I can stand back and stay silent.

As for the two holes, whether the cores overlap or they are gapped it is still a fundamental part of how that core works and nothing to do with the cancellation of the fields like I was suggesting.
Open source forum? Your having a laugh. Keep it.

Well, I guess the only thing I could say is that Stan indeed was killed because of his invention so to a certain degree i can understand Ronnie's arguments for not releasing it until it's up and running for all his team members, that way chances are it will make main stream media as it would be almost impossible to shut everyone up at the same time on different locations while it's being released, so that itself bodes for their safety once it's out there getting viral, making it meaningless to try to shut up Ronnie and his team as it wouldn't serve any purpose other than for the sake of revenge/retaliation.

Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive.

Nav, with this quote from your last post (I'll tell you what will happen, the information you have with your friends will never be released until you've made a whole bunch of money out of it yourselves.) This is where your dead wrong, and all my friends that i am working with knows where i stand on this issue. They know if i even get a hint of them even trying to do what you just said that I would go public with all this in a heart beat. You need to get that out of your head real fast and not spread stuff like that without knowing the facts first. Their is not one of us that is trying to make a dime from this. Their is one team member that is having precision cells cnc made for anyone that wants one at cost. So you need to rethink your remark you just made. This kind of stuff is what has keep me silent and disengaged, and when you think it is safe to talk and get engaged again you find out it's all still out there. It's unbelievable. How much was i paid for the dielectric information that everyone discovered here?

OK I retract that statement and apologise for that

Quote from gpssonar on December 6th, 2015, 08:48 AM

Nav, with this quote from your last post (I'll tell you what will happen, the information you have with your friends will never be released until you've made a whole bunch of money out of it yourselves.) This is where your dead wrong, and all my friends that i am working with knows where i stand on this issue. They know if i even get a hint of them even trying to do that I would go public with all this in a heart beat. You need to get that out of your head real fast and not spread stuff like that without knowing the facts first. Their is not one of us that is trying to make a dime from this. Their is one team member that is having precision cells cnc made for anyone that wants one at cost. So you need to rethink your remark you just made.

OK I retract that statement and apologise for it. Nobody wants to make money, the fact remains though that this is not a two way street and RIS has already said that information is only shared when someone else supplies information to him. What kind of forum or plan is that?
If the forum has circles or cliques where information is passed how does this benefit the many instead of only the few? I thought we were about the many not the few Ronnie?

I know Ris pretty well, and i know he didn't mean what you said, He would never give out any information to anyone for any reason. What I think Ris was trying to say was, there is people that wants information and not put any work into it what so ever. He was asking what has people done to protect me from getting killed like Stan. When all he see's is people wanting the information for self greed. He knows there is people that don't give a damn about my life or anyone else for that matter. They just want the information. But he can speak for himself.
Ris is from Croatia and it hard for him to express his views in our language. But I have gotten to know Ris and he don't have a evil bone in his body.

Quote from gpssonar on December 6th, 2015, 09:14 AM

I know Ris pretty well, and i know he didn't mean what you said, He would never give out any information to anyone for any reason. What I think Ris was trying to say was, there is people that wants information and not put any work into it what so ever. He was asking what has people done to protect me from getting killed like Stan. When all he see's is people wanting the information for self greed. He knows there is people that don't give a damn about my life or anyone else for that matter. They just want the information. But he can speak for himself.

But this is supposed to be open source forum Ronnie. There are people that will take and not give in the world and its just a fact of life we have to deal with.
When Microwave ovens were invented and TV sets were invented, the people who bought them were not involved in the development of them but they still got them.
I thought this place was an open source forum where ideas are shared, so everyone can work on them together but it seems not that way.
Good luck Ronnie with your project and I hope it works out fine but I can't work this way and the politics side of things just isn't my thing.

You see Nav, this is the kind of treatment i get from everyone that gets a little information thrown in there laps, just like it did with Max Miller. I give a little information and they think they can run off and get everything to work. It's me that can't help people this way and the politics side of things it's just not my kind of thing either. Good luck to you Nav.

you imagine we say to you everything and you make open source,Then came some max and the he began to claim It is all his work perhaps file a complaint against all of us,and what with all the efforts that we are all invested in,we can only sit and watch

I my self can't believe how south this went so fast, once some information was shared. I will think twice before anything else is shared.
It just reminds me of past experiences I've had.
It's time for me to bow out and let thing be as they may.

Quote from gpssonar on December 6th, 2015, 09:52 AM

You see Nav, this is the kind of treatment i get from everyone that gets a little information thrown in there laps, just like it did with Max Miller. I give a little information and they think they can run off and get everything to work. It's me that can't help people this way and the politics side of things it's just not my kind of thing either. Good luck to you Nav.

I understand its become difficult for you and your friends and I don't have any animosity towards you and Ris and you have my apologies if I came across that way. The thing is with myself in this project, there are tiny things that make a lot of difference in building it.
Sometimes those tiny differences can make an whole world of difference. I havn't run off with any information as such, little bits help to build a bigger picture and i'm not expecting nothing to work as such. I would never claim anything as my own because I have no right to do so because at the end of the day its all Stans work and only Stan should have credit.
If it was me and i'd got the cell working, i'd post the schematics for it in every letter box I could find and every university, college campus anonymously, then the world would have what it needs.
To me, it doesn't matter who got it working, just that the world has it because it will change things for the good.