Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.

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Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« on December 1st, 2015, 01:29 PM »Last edited on December 6th, 2015, 04:25 AM
Wrong, forget it.

Lynx

Re: VIC finally reverse engineered 100% and ready to build.
« Reply #1, on December 1st, 2015, 03:08 PM »
Saved for posterity :thumbsup:

nav

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #2, on December 1st, 2015, 04:35 PM »Last edited on December 6th, 2015, 04:25 AM
Wrong

Lynx

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #3, on December 1st, 2015, 09:22 PM »
Now I atleast know what to look for should I ever get the urge to put together a Meyer test WFC.
Many thanks for sharing Nav, appreciate it.

brettly

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #4, on December 1st, 2015, 11:55 PM »
Other information required will be related to the number of turns/type of wire/thickness of wire.
Will you be going into any details on that area of the vic coils Nav?
I would guess that the dual series LCL type resonance across the water capacitor would need to be greater than 20khz ( the auto-ionisation frequency of pure water, its temperature dependent)
( I posted about that on this page
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1586.150
reply #168)
It would be a major part of the  puzzle if it was known how to work out number of turns etc needed for a given wfc capacitance.
I would think there would be quite alot of different variables involved to work out these things, especially if creating a specialised vic coil.
It would be rather useful if there was a place on this forum where the exact details of stans tube wfc and the injector wfc Vic Coils were given in detail ( as taken from the actual coils in his estate), does this already exist?
I mean the number of turns/thickness of wire required/inductance etc.
( I did spend alot of time gathering information on different peoples versions of stans tube wfc vic coil, and there are many different versions on the net). To actually have a place where its documented in detail what stans actual specifications were from the built coils would be very useful.

nav

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #5, on December 2nd, 2015, 01:07 AM »Last edited on December 6th, 2015, 04:26 AM
wrong
Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #6, on December 2nd, 2015, 01:58 AM »
If you had a coil that has a 2 inch diameter and was 3 inch long, the electrostatic inductance calculation would be as such.
Radius is 1 inch, so 1 squared =1 then 1x3.142= 3.142. Then L cubed is 3x3x3=27 then 3.142x27=84.83 then x by VF of 90%=76.34Ohms

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #7, on December 2nd, 2015, 02:52 AM »Last edited on December 2nd, 2015, 03:13 AM
Here is what Don measured when he had Stan's Estate. There is some very useful information in these charts. If you know anything about impedance matching you should be able to figure out why there is a 220 ohm resistor across the primary coil. Back in the day I turned these numbers inside out working with impedance matching.

nav

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #8, on December 2nd, 2015, 03:06 AM »
Thanks Ronnie. Very helpful information as usual. It made me giggle a little to see all those N/A readings at 10Khz in the 2nd and 4th charts.
The resistance values in the first chart are more than interesting.

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #9, on December 2nd, 2015, 03:15 AM »
After working with these charts for over a year, It made me giggle to.

Lynx

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #10, on December 2nd, 2015, 08:59 AM »
Awesome goodness in this thread :-D
Thank you Gentlemen :-)

nav

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #11, on December 2nd, 2015, 09:48 AM »
Quote from gpssonar on December 2nd, 2015, 02:52 AM
Here is what Don measured when he had Stan's Estate. There is some very useful information in these charts. If you know anything about impedance matching you should be able to figure out why there is a 220 ohm resistor across the primary coil. Back in the day I turned these numbers inside out working with impedance matching.
He should have used thinner gauge wire on the primary and more of it. That coil is gonna be one hot cookie.

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #12, on December 2nd, 2015, 07:40 PM »Last edited on December 2nd, 2015, 07:45 PM
No really it runs cool not warm at all. If you take Stan's primary which is 10.5 ohms when you do the math on impedance on the primary you will find that it needs to be 10 ohms. (10.5 and 220 ohms in parallel = 10 ohms) So placing a 220 ohm resistor across the primary it bring it right down to where it needs to be.
Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #13, on December 3rd, 2015, 04:23 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 04:40 AM
Nav, As you reverse engineer the VIC transformer I would like to give you a very important hint. At the same time you must reverse engineer the CELL at the same time. If you don't, the reversed engineered VIC will be useless as you have seen in the past that everyone has tried to replicate. Keep this number (10) in the back of your mind at all times while your reading and doing your research. Stan used (10) Cells in series with his VIC for a very very important reason. No one will ever be able to scale the VIC and Cell up or down unless they stumble upon why (10) cells were used in series. Just keep (10) in your mind at all times, it is a very important number while your doing your impedance matching research. This is one of the most useful post i have ever posted, and will determine if you or anyone are successful or not.

nav

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #14, on December 3rd, 2015, 05:20 AM »
Quote from gpssonar on December 3rd, 2015, 04:23 AM
Nav, As you reverse engineer the VIC transformer I would like to give you a very important hint. At the same time you must reverse engineer the CELL at the same time. If you don't, the reversed engineered VIC will be useless as you have seen in the past that everyone has tried to replicate. Keep this number (10) in the back of your mind at all times while your reading and doing your research. Stan used (10) Cells in series with his VIC for a very very important reason. No one will ever be able to scale the VIC and Cell up or down unless they stumble upon why (10) cells were used in series. Just keep (10) in your mind at all times, it is a very important number while your doing your impedance matching research. This is one of the most useful post i have ever posted, and will determine if you or anyone are successful or not.
You mean the capacitive reactance must match the inductive reactance?

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #15, on December 3rd, 2015, 05:44 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 05:50 AM
I can't elaborate no more than i have already. But all the information Stan gives us with his formulas and the statement he uses (anyone with the knowledge of the prior art). When I was a Ham Radio operator back in my younger days little did i know i was teaching myself about the prior art of all this. The prior art is all about getting every ounce of power out the load and no power reflected back.

Gunther Rattay

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #16, on December 3rd, 2015, 06:08 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 06:14 AM
Gps,
reflection and standing waves only work with AC to the cell.
And capacitve area of the cell must be symmetric for that.
Skin effect in the cell must be taken into account.

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #17, on December 3rd, 2015, 06:48 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 07:50 AM
Maybe a better term to use other than power reflected back would be power loss to the cell no matter how it is lost. (Unwanted resistance) That was the point i was trying to get across. It want do anyone any good to make voltage with any transformer if the cell never sees it and use it. Just a wast to create something that is destroyed before any use can be gotten out of it.

nav

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #18, on December 3rd, 2015, 07:50 AM »
If the inductive reactance can be changed with frequency, pulse width and voltage amplitude, if either parameter changes you must change the capactive reactance to match or there will be no impedance match.

Ris

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #19, on December 3rd, 2015, 08:00 AM »
a bit of sarcasm  did not Max explained all on its forum :)

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #20, on December 3rd, 2015, 08:02 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 08:09 AM
Very true Nav, but once you achieve matching the inductive reactance and the capactive reactance there is still resistance in the coils of wire that you don't want. So therefore you will never truely impedance match the line with the load without removing that resistance too. Question is, how do yo do it? You will have to do your research on this all on your own. I must keep to my promise and I have pushed myself up to the line on it.
Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #21, on December 3rd, 2015, 08:05 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 08:46 AM
Ris, Max Miller can blow smoke up everyone's A@$ he knows how to do that the best I've ever seen, he has no clue what i am talking about here. That's how i know he has nothing and never will. Amps is Max Millers worst nightmare, he showed that when he blew up his setup at the conference. I thought I was his worst nightmare at one time but Amps has me beat. He has no knowledge how to control his Amps or his ill temper. He just keeps telling people it's all ohms law. Believe me if it all was about ohms law, everyone would be building ohms law machines. LMAO All i can say about applying ohms law to Stan's Vic and cell, you better know how to at least know how to control every aspect of ohms law first. For if you don't it will control you and all you will see is Amps Amps and more Amps just like Max Miller.

Ris

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #22, on December 3rd, 2015, 08:40 AM »
true that -ohms law and every other electrical formula they are true-but most of the time are completely useless,but they are also good they show limitations and if you're smart enough you can bypass everything

gpssonar

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #23, on December 3rd, 2015, 08:43 AM »
I don't classify myself as being any smarter than anyone else, but i have learned how to use ohms law and other things to my advantage, just as Stan did when it comes to his Vic and Cell.

resonance1

Re: Stans VIC finally reverse engineered and ready to build.
« Reply #24, on December 3rd, 2015, 08:59 AM »Last edited on December 3rd, 2015, 09:02 AM
Not sure if I'm understanding what you are getting at gpsonar,

my initial thought when you talk about impedance matching is when the chokes are @ self resonance you are left with only their DC resistance,
transformer impedance ratio is the square of the turns ratio, impedance matching would usually in other circuits mean terminating the primary with a resistor that matches the load impedance in accordance with the square law of the turns ratio,

In rf transformers for push pull amplifiers we terminate the primary with a none inductive resistor equal to the source impedance of the transistors @ their maximum output,
chose a turns ratio that gets you closest to 50ohms ( or whatever impedance the load will present ) hook the analyser to the secondary then place a capacitor across the secondary winding and adjust for minimum vswr looking back towards the source impedance,

are you talking about a similar idea?

Thanks.