https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U0SwbtaZ00&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Quote from k c dias on October 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM

Have a google at this part number: ISL9V3040P3.  These are basically 400V, 21A IGBT's for dummies - 5V logic level gate drive. :)  Send your TTL output through a 1k resistor to the gate input - dat's it, its that easy.  

Below is a photo of the controller.  On the right are the four ISL9V3040P3's for driving the coils (one for each of the three ignition coils, and the forth drives a speaker - a useful tool for detecting misfires).  That right side of the board will likely be cut off of the main board and relocated next to the ignition coils, the 1k resistors will remain on the controller board, and a ribbon cable used for interconnection.  As you can see, that is how I have handled the RF and top cylinder coil switching.

You might consider putting diodes between the resistor and the IGBT's as an extra overpower protection to your driving logic circuit, ... just a thought ;)

IGBTs and FETs have gate capacitance which slows the rise time.  A 1 K ohm resistor is probably a bit high for fast response and the gate must be discharged each cycle.  Do not use a diode in series with the gate.   You should use a fast diode with the cathode to the gate and anode to ground near the emitter to prevent reverse bias.  I would use a resistor that lets the drive work closer to its rating.  For example if the drive to the gate was rated 50 ma then use resistance in the range of 150 - 200 ohms.  

Quote from meggerman on October 25th, 2012, 03:47 PM

Quote from k c dias on October 25th, 2012, 03:28 PM

Quote from waqas148 on October 25th, 2012, 10:24 AM

I use ferric chloride with 100% success.

Well dog gone!!  Maybe I was using it wrong!  Which end of the bong are you supposed to pour it in to? ;):D:P

Here's one I did earlier:

I designed this using Eagle, laser printed to techsheet, then UV exposed on a homemade lightbox, its double sided too.
Then removed resist, etched in ferric cloride.
washed, then exposed again to UV using a pad layout.
Then removed resist.
Then tin plated and washed again.
Meggerman

Quote from k c dias on October 25th, 2012, 03:28 PM

Quote from waqas148 on October 25th, 2012, 10:24 AM

I use ferric chloride with 100% success.

Well dog gone!!  Maybe I was using it wrong!  Which end of the bong are you supposed to pour it in to? ;):D:P

Here's one I made earlier:

Nice work on the PCB.  I always used a CAD designer to do the work and they were skilled specialists at it.  I would have to sit down with them some times to get past difficult routing problems but it was fun.  I invented a layout method to conduct high currents and heat dissipation on double sided boards and years later saw other companies copy the technique.  Just reminiscing. :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-1ayLwDSvY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And just in case you guys are wondering the information contained within the kit is nothing that we don't already know. a matter of fact I believe we've already surpassed the information in the kit so nothing being hidden I'm just not allowed to publicly share it without getting in trouble I presume....


~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 26th, 2012, 09:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U0SwbtaZ00&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Russ Gries has released a new research video titled #14, to pin down what the green glow is.

This glow develops  after the spark discharge occurs. Russ wants to find out how the glow forms and how it relates to pre-ionization of the second follow on spark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U0SwbtaZ00&feature=player_detailpage

On the net, I looked into some new possible  causes for the green glow and have found three new possible sources as follows:

One, fast electrons moving  in a high vacuum will glow green near the cathode.

Two, glass will phosphoresce green when impacted by fast electrons.

Three, helium atoms will phosphoresce when impacted by electrons.

From viewing the video in my opinion, electron impact on Helium atoms seems to be the most likely cause of the mysterious green glow.

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Next, by using the pressure developed in the popper during spark discharge, Russ was surprised that he was not able to break his grandma’s Christmas glass that he was using to view how the green glow developes.

Because of this, veiwing video #14 leads me to the following observation; the forces produced by the popper are electromagnetic in nature and a metal surface is required inside the popper to produce force.

Some gas pressure develops in the glass cylinder but that pressure is not forceful enough to contribute to the compression reaction observed when a piston is installed in the popper.

In the near future from the view point of experimentation, one important observation that should so be made is to measure this pressure increase of the gas to see if it has any role in the movement of the piston.
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In regards to the next observation, this popper demo shows that during the ionization glow stage, all the wires connecting the popper to the capacitors shake until the ionization phase is over.

The wires must be under some stress or force from the ionization process.
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Next, when micro-sized metal fragments are occasionally generated by sputtering fragmentation of the electrodes, the green ionization glow is minimized. These metal fragment(s) must localize and concentrate the electron charge contained within the plasma.

Can this be Anderson localization of the electron charge around the fragment? In a solid metal, electron charge accumulates around crystal imperfections in the metal lattice. Maybe the some sort of thing can occur in gas plasma.
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In the near future from the view point of suggested experimentation, one important observation that should be made is to suspend different types of material on strings from the top of the glass cylinder and watch for movement of the material that may be imparted by the plasma onto the material.

The material that the piston head is made out of might impact the upward force produced by the piston due to material’s electromagnetic characteristics.

Also, it would be interesting to see experimentally if the material is heated by the localization of ionization charge onto the material.

Some material that should be tested is aluminum, copper, nickel(metal from a coin), steel, stainless steel, iron, carbon, wax, plastic.
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It looks like Russ has wires connected to the feedback current removal terminals on the sides of the popper, but I can’t tell is the feedback current is being removed from the popper and dissipated.

If the feedback current is not being removed from the popper, experimentally remove the feedback current from the popper; if the feedback current is removed from the cylinder, does the green glow still occur?

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The way electrical current flows through the popper is a complicated affair. Charge is being fed into the popper and simultaneously being dissipated from the popper.

The discharge capacitors don’t fully drain because they become blocked from further current flow by a resisting charge buildup in the popper.

Only after this charge buildup in the gas is sufficiently dissipated does the second lower intensity pop occur.
 
The delayed second capacitor discharge occurs only when the remaining blocked latent residual 100 volt charge is equal to or greater than  the green ionization charge in the popper. The ion intensity of the green glow must be reduced enough to enable the open spark capacitor circuit to re-fire.  


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In a closing reaction, I liked the still picture format very much that Russ tried in this video #14. The length of the video does not matter to me, in fact, the longer , the better.

On the feedback current...
I have not heard that Russ has seen it or found it. Yes, he talks about the EMF pulses, but he nowhere acknowledges that there is any backcurrent. In one of his live broadcasts i saw him hook a capacitor to the buckets and measure before and after and found no voltage in it.

On a magnetic side of the POP....
If one uses a alluminium piston i think that that material produces the highest internal induction currents, so that would be a good material to maximise the piston force.

see also:http://youtu.be/wi-mcwPKjOg

On the green glow...
I notice that the second POP seems to have less power, but this has to be confirmed by real measurements still.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 27th, 2012, 07:28 AM

And just in case you guys are wondering the information contained within the kit is nothing that we don't already know. a matter of fact I believe we've already surpassed the information in the kit so nothing being hidden I'm just not allowed to publicly share it without getting in trouble I presume....


~Russ

I guess intelligentry makes good on there promise to deliver a Popper if you take into account.... the bubblewrap.

After installing all, you sit next to it and pop the bubblewrap..its so obvious they didn't put it in the infosheets

How did we miss that?

Russ, just a note.  You said the software was Cortel Video Studio, that should be Corel.

The caps have impedance but the wire does too.  Capacitor voltage will recover a few volts in electrolytics as well.  With the multiple discharge, the cap voltage could be discharging to a different level (maybe 103 V in one test then 99V in a different test).  Self recovery would take longer in the second one which would explain the time difference.

If you need to know, you can put a scope (DC in, single negative trigger) on the caps to watch the voltage between the first and second discharge to test this theory.   If your power to the caps is not transformer isolated (probably not with a variac), you must float the scope power plug to un-ground it, because the probe ground is also normally AC ground.   You do this by attaching a 3 prong to 2 prong adapter on the AC plug.  If the scope case is metal, don't touch it and earth ground while doing this (shock hazard).  Controls are ok.  Make sure no kids are around while testing.  A better alternative is to plug the variac into a 3KW isolation transformer (same input and output voltage) but you might not have one.  This is just for your information, as usual, you test at your own risk.  

Russ, your video showing the fabrication and testing of the coils seems to show a qualitative increase in the mechanical efficiency.

Have you done any quantitative measurements?

Quote from jabowery on October 29th, 2012, 09:22 AM

Russ, your video showing the fabrication and testing of the coils seems to show a qualitative increase in the mechanical efficiency.

Have you done any quantitative measurements?

We can build a simple device to measure the amount of power and force produced in the popper.

In popper video update #15, Russ has shown us how cans and cups could be shot vertically into the air when the piston rises in response to the spark discharge.

A simple force measuring device can be built as follows:

A weight can be made to follow a guided track as it rises upward under the impulsive force inparted onto a weight by the piston in the same way as Russ has demonstrated with the cup.


A PVC pipe can be used to act as a guide so that the weight is well controlled. This guild will keep the weight from damaging stuff in and around the popper. This pipe is drilled with holes at regular intervals to make the rise of the weight visible.




The pipe can also be graduated with regular markings to allow for the determination of the height, speed and acceleration of the weight.

The weighted object should have a rubberized bottom to protect the piston when the weight descends back to its initial launch position after its flight.

The PCV pipe should be closed with a cap at its top to protect against any overshoot of the weight.  

The pipe should somehow be lighted on the inside (back lite) so that the flight of the weight can be measured using Russ’s video camera.

As the weight rises, the holes in the pipe will black out. This pattern of blacked out holes can be recorded on video. From this information, the force that the piston imparts onto the weight can be calculated.

I cant keep up with you guys! Lol good work guys! I'm catching up on your posts here ASAP! It's been crazy for me lately!
Keep it coming!
Latest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SUumXdk7U&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thanks!! ~Russ

Also, still working on geting parts and testing equipment... Slow prosses... So I will start to look at the list that EZ has createated for us!

EZ you been updating it? A lot going on here! Lol

~Russ

Axil:

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RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
Where does the increase in over-unity power displayed in the Plasmatron and the Papp engine come from?





http://www.rexresearch.com/chernetskii/chernetskii.htm

Because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle as well as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle , the individual electrons in the oscillating electron cloud vibrating in the plasma will become degenerate (increase high energy) becoming more and more energetic as the cloud grows bigger.

Electron degeneracy pressure is a particular manifestation of the more general phenomenon of quantum degeneracy pressure.

Degenerate matter in physics is a collection of free, non-interacting particles with a pressure and other physical characteristics determined by quantum mechanical effects.

It is the counterpart of an ideal gas in classical mechanics. The degenerate state of matter (in the sense of deviant from an ideal gas) arises at extraordinarily high density

The Pauli Exclusion Principle disallows two half integer spin particles (fermions) from simultaneously occupying the same quantum state.

Two electrons cannot obit an atomic nucleus in the same orbital track.

The resulting emergent repulsive force is manifested as a pressure against compression of matter into smaller volumes of space. Likewise, electron degeneracy pressure results from the same underlying mechanism that defines the electron orbital structure of elemental matter.

This is similar to the game of musical chairs. In the game of musical chairs, if there are more people marching around the line of chairs while the music is playing, when the music stops, there will be people left standing.

The energy levels of these homeless electrons go up as they seek higher electron obits to fill.

This will tend to keep the electrons from getting back together with their associated ions because of a quantum orbital energy mismatch. This keeps the cloud ionized indefinitely until the stranded electron charge cloud can find a path to ground as a high energy feedback current.

Drilling down on this in a quantum mechanical description, free particles limited to a finite volume may only take a discrete set of energies, called discrete quantum states. The Pauli Exclusion Principle prevents identical fermions from occupying the same quantum state. At lowest total energy (when the thermal energy of the particles is negligible), all the lowest energy quantum states are filled. This state is referred to as full degeneracy.

Adding more electrons and/or reducing the number of orbital slots that electrons can fill will force the particles into higher-energy quantum states as they seek obits to fill. This requires a compression force, and is made manifest as a resisting pressure. The energy gain that this compressive force requires comes from the Heisenberg uncertainty principle as the momentum of the increasingly restrained electrons intensify.

The key feature is that this degenerate pressure does not depend on the temperature of the system and only on the density of the fermions.

Therefore, because of the Pauli Exclusion Principle as well as the Heisenberg uncertainty principle , the individual electrons in the oscillating cloud of excess displaced electrons in a plasma will become degenerate (high energy) becoming more and more energetic as the cloud grows bigger. This will tend to keep the electrons from getting back together with their associated ions because of a quantum orbital energy mismatch. This keeps the cloud of excess electrons ionized indefinitely until the stranded electron charge cloud can find a path to ground as a high energy feedback current.


It is this large increase in electron voltage that increases the power inherent in the system. This additional excess energy comes from the vacuum uncertainty inherent in quantum physics (aka vacuum energy).

good post Axil!!

   BobN:

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I don't think Russ supplies a ground discharge for his ionized gas, yet it collapses.

correct. i do not.  so now i need to try some of these things and see whats going on.  using the chamber as the positive charge and using ground as negative...??? that's where i should place my charge cap... or one place...


EZ more to add to the list...
   Axil:

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To test this theory, Russ could run a simple experiment as follows: Set up circuit logic to ground the cylinder after the feedback current is received and observe if the intensity of the green glow changes.

Also, if the ionization inside the cylinder is better grounded, Russ might see ionization enabling the second low powder pop disappear.

Also, when Russ goes back to metal cylinder walls again, the positive residual charge may also disappear.

yes i agree this would be a good test!!

   Axil:

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http://news.discovery.com/space/tether-s...field.html

that's interesting!

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RSM:
 Is device jumping, when fired with glass instaled? With piston it was clearly. With glass, from pictures, looks like just cables are moving.

Jeff:
I think the piston movement is why the devise jumps. Don't think there is much movement with the absence of the piston, using the glass.

This is correct.

   k c dias:

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Do the popper kits call for steel head/piston? Aluminum? Plastic?

You popper kit guys (Chuck & Russ) throw us a bone here.....

from kit:

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we recommend a non - conductive material such as plastic. metallic materials will generate a current in your coil as the piston moves through

NOTE!!!! take this with a grain of salt... i don't think there is much info in this " kit" that really madders... ;)

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whitenight639 Wrote:  
I've not seen that many of Russ' videos some of them are quite long with not much happening, but I have to say I am impressed by the popper, and the intelligent contributions on this topic.

    I can't wait to see how the popper performs with maybe a little more Hydrogen pressure and I am eagerly awaiting current / work measurements because I really think this has potential I will be replicating this if It looks anything like over unity without using a blend of noble gasses.

   simonderricutt:
If you want to do a replication then maybe you should watch all that Russ has videoed - that seems to be the main reason he did that, to help people copy him.

Russ has been trying to duplicate Bob Rohner's experiments, and it would also be useful to watch his videos, too.

yes. sadly if your not willing to watch my videos all the way through ( even tho some times i keep rambling on) then you will never have enough patients to do enough research to make your "popper" work... sorry, not to be rude, its just a fact. to Manny people want to be handed the answer... sadly that's not the way it works...

k c dias:

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I may have to resort to more input power, but first I want to thoroughly explore using the wimpy automotive ignition coil method. Besides, one discharge like Russ is using will totally obliterate the 1/16" tungsten electrodes I am using.

yes. stick worth your testing small cap discharge's may be helpful but test some electrodes out side your unit so you don't destroy yours! lol you will blast them away! :)

   symanuk :

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I think that doing something different to what Russ is doing is more valuable overall to the journey of understanding what is going on and I am sure Russ would enjoy learning something from other people's experiments at the same time.

Testing various different working hypotheses is a great approach for the general benefit and interest of us observers too! just video it please ? Smile

yes!

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Chan Wrote:  Russ,
A bit of food for the gray cells:
http://lenr.scienceontheweb.net/
Chan

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hummmm interesting... :)

Axil:

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Why are there five gases included in the Papp engine gas mix?

[Image: 751px-Paschen_Curves.PNG]

In 1927 Penning (Figure above) measured the breakdown voltage of a neon discharge as a function of pressure and distance between the electrodes. The result is known as the Paschen Curve, after Paschen who had discovered that the breakdown voltage is a function of the product of gas pressure and electrode distance.

Penning found that his results were only consistent if he used extremely pure neon. Minute traces of other gases, such as argon, lowered the breakdown voltage considerably (Fig. below).

[Image: penning3.jpg]


Penning knew about the work of Dorgelo on metastable states. Metastable states in Neon had been discovered by Meissner in 1925. These are energy states well above ground state, from which all transitions to lower states are forbidden.

Atoms in these metastable states generally return to ground state by either going through a higher energy state or by a collision. As a result metastable states can have lifetimes in the order of a millisecond.

Penning proved that what was happening in his gas mixtures was that before the electrons have sufficient energy to ionize the neon, they can excite neon atoms, and these excited atoms can pass into metastable states.

Because of their relatively long lifetime, there is a high probability of collision with one of the impurity atoms. Argon has an ionization potential below the energy of metastable neon, so argon atoms will ionize leading to the initiation of the discharge. Such a gas mixture became known as a Penning Gas. It can be used to lower the breakdown voltage of a discharge tube, or to make the breakdown less dependent on the inter-electrode distance.

In summation, by providing a cascading discharge mechanism, the five gas Papp mix makes the spark electrode discharge distance far less of a factor in spark formation than a single pure gas or a limited combination of gases and this complex mix lowers the voltage required to produce a discharge.

The more gas impurities there are, the higher is the probability of a collision with one or more of the impurity atoms

this is correct and this is why Papp used his Gas possessor or "Gas Lab" to get all this just right... :)

I agree with this 100% and have confirmed it with others.

dose this mean need we need the gas lab??? i don't think so... not if we know what works best...

Chan :

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Diaz,
Great progress so far. Dynamite approach, innovative and carefully
crafted. I believe you are very close to replication with a running
Noble Gas engine. By all means, keep going. More information at:
http://noble.scienceontheweb.net/
and
http://lenr.scienceontheweb.net/
God had blessed you.
Chan

http://noble.scienceontheweb.net/

sweet info! will take me a while  to get through it!! :)

Axil:

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Before we come up with a test plan, we need to define what that instrumentation of the popper is comprised of.

yes this is what i have been trying to figure out... and acquire...

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I am waiting to see what Russ has in mind to support his data collection process. After all, he is the man, the one in control, and calling the shots.

your all apart of the research!! :) i do indeed need all the help i can get. but of coarse...  sure... i will have the finial say... but not with out good thought of others input!! that's why the open source!! :) " i cant do it alone..."

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Dr. James Truchard President, CEO, and Cofounder of National Instruments is excited about LENR. If he is approached properly, Truchard may be persuaded to provide Russ with a free copy of LabView and associated test equipment to support Russ’s testing.

please please please let me know of any others that are willing to help!! borrowing such a thing is also just fine with me!!

i did mention this in my smart scarecrow show here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YSI0CGgbFg&feature=plcp

this is up to post 782...

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 29th, 2012, 10:29 PM

Also, still working on geting parts and testing equipment... Slow prosses... So I will start to look at the list that EZ has createated for us!

EZ you been updating it? A lot going on here! Lol

~Russ

Well, uptill version 1.5. There is enough to get started, and i think that one's you start gaining data, this will lead into new path's. Also its not running away so if we are all tested out? i'll get the fine combe again.

The last input is in a way the same as before, getting to know the backcurrent, if any, and what then happens to the green glow etc. And measuring the output power, its repeating steps already put in the testsheet.

So i understand that people like whiteknight639 are eager to see data, and if overunity becomes nearer then more will try the popper, i'm sure.

I'm not sure what your discission now is on James Truchard and Labview.. , do you want others, or should this man be approached?

I for one think that that kind of help is very good for you, and make it a student project. This way (on your own a bit) you are not having enough direction.

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 30th, 2012, 02:41 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 29th, 2012, 10:29 PM

Also, still working on geting parts and testing equipment... Slow prosses... So I will start to look at the list that EZ has createated for us!

EZ you been updating it? A lot going on here! Lol

~Russ

Well, uptill version 1.5. There is enough to get started, and i think that one's you start gaining data, this will lead into new path's. Also its not running away so if we are all tested out? i'll get the fine combe again.

The last input is in a way the same as before, getting to know the backcurrent, if any, and what then happens to the green glow etc. And measuring the output power, its repeating steps already put in the testsheet.

if you want just add the notes i added and so they will still be there.. if you want..

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So i understand that people like whiteknight639 are eager to see data, and if overunity becomes nearer then more will try the popper, i'm sure.

im not sure this will ever be an "overunity" device... i mean im ok with a better way to move my butt down the road... i beleave thats what it will come down to... :)

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I'm not sure what your discission now is on James Truchard and Labview.. , do you want others, or should this man be approached?

it cant hurt right?? if some one wants to contact this man on my behalf please get with me and lets devise a plan! :)

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I for one think that that kind of help is very good for you, and make it a student project. This way (on your own a bit) you are not having enough direction.

its a good idea... but will it be displayed freely for us all to see it will it dissapear for  4+ years and then get some random answer... lol

that's fine if some university wants to do something like that. would be a good thing
!! they may get a chance to take it further than me... i mean that's the point to publishing my work... so others can expand on it. :)

??

thanks!!!! ~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 30th, 2012, 03:18 AM

if you want just add the notes i added and so they will still be there.. if you want..

allrighty then ;)

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im not sure this will ever be an "overunity" device... i mean im ok with a better way to move my butt down the road... i beleave thats what it will come down to... :)

Hmmm that's not good.
If it can drive your car it needs the over unity to get the electricity for it. You have seen the video's about the horsepower coming out..etc.
Why doubt those when you find out that this side of the process works? Rob Rohner is convinced there is overunity to be found is he not? He acknowledges that the engine works on the dynamo as seen in the video's.....
I mean..even do you can't see it now...if you stay believing..etc. some Russ quote here.. ;)

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(On Labview etc.)
it cant hurt right?? if some one wants to contact this man on my behalf please get with me and lets devise a plan! :)

If Axil (cause it was his idea) doesn't feel like doing that then i will make an approaching email with ye, no prob.

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its a good idea... but will it be displayed freely for us all to see it will it dissapear for  4+ years and then get some random answer... lol

Duhh sure not, you will stay directly involved the whole way, only thing is they can get points for the science they are doing. And you have the benefits to have an academic surrounding. We can even opt to make a second popper for them if distance or so becomes a problem. (yes, paid by them)

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that's fine if some university wants to do something like that. would be a good thing!! they may get a chance to take it further than me... i mean that's the point to publishing my work... so others can expand on it. :)

For now its just getting your baby to school, not dropping it off and leaving it. Lets see what suggestions they may have. Presenting the case and hear what they can and want to contribute. Its not like we are giving a secret away. And maybe its a no, that they say "we first want to see over unity before we get involved..." possible..but after seeing the video's of earlier days they should get tickled the way we were, no?

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 30th, 2012, 06:05 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 30th, 2012, 03:18 AM

if you want just add the notes i added and so they will still be there.. if you want..

allrighty then ;)

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im not sure this will ever be an "overunity" device... i mean im ok with a better way to move my butt down the road... i beleave thats what it will come down to... :)

Hmmm that's not good.
If it can drive your car it needs the over unity to get the electricity for it. You have seen the video's about the horsepower coming out..etc.
Why doubt those when you find out that this side of the process works? Rob Rohner is convinced there is overunity to be found is he not? He acknowledges that the engine works on the dynamo as seen in the video's.....
I mean..even do you can't see it now...if you stay believing..etc. some Russ quote here.. ;)

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(On Labview etc.)
it cant hurt right?? if some one wants to contact this man on my behalf please get with me and lets devise a plan! :)

If Axil (cause it was his idea) doesn't feel like doing that then i will make an approaching email with ye, no prob.

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its a good idea... but will it be displayed freely for us all to see it will it dissapear for  4+ years and then get some random answer... lol

Duhh sure not, you will stay directly involved the whole way, only thing is they can get points for the science they are doing. And you have the benefits to have an academic surrounding. We can even opt to make a second popper for them if distance or so becomes a problem. (yes, paid by them)

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that's fine if some university wants to do something like that. would be a good thing!! they may get a chance to take it further than me... i mean that's the point to publishing my work... so others can expand on it. :)

For now its just getting your baby to school, not dropping it of and leaving it. Lets see what suggestions they may have. Presenting the case and hear what they can and want to contribute. Its not like we are giving a secret away. And maybe its a no, that they say "we first want to see over unity before we get involved..." possible..but after seeing the video's of earlier days they should get tickled the way we were, no?

I guess I may have worded that quite wrong. What I meant is I do not believe that this is an over unity device the way it is. I think a lot more research and development will need to go in the system before I can say it is.

Right now there's too manny variables involved to say whether it is or is not "Over unity" which I do not really agree with that term ;)

;)

I agree with the rest of your comments what's continue on and see what happens

~Russ

After watching the Update-15 video,
I was thinking a popp with some water mist. :idea:

Quote from waqas148 on October 30th, 2012, 06:30 AM

After watching the Update-15 video,
I was thinking a popp with some water mist. :idea:

I did try a water droplet... Could not tell a deffrance! Lol

It's recorded on the live show fottage...

https://www.youtube.com/user/RWGresearchLive

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 30th, 2012, 06:22 AM

to say whether it is or is not "Over unity" which I do not really agree with that term ;)

I'm not bothered with symantics, i know you don't like the term "free energy" also

As long as i know what people mean they can call it any way they like.

It's still free to breath air..although that aint a free process either.. being that the atmosphere is a finite thing.

extra energy? bonus energy? God's extra pile? Hidden energy? nothing is really good covering the issue.. output in this dimension more then input.. grrr whatever.

But back on the case...as i have no luck when mailing Axil, maybe you can ask him first to probe for Labview etc. ?

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 30th, 2012, 06:50 AM

Quote from waqas148 on October 30th, 2012, 06:30 AM

After watching the Update-15 video,
I was thinking a popp with some water mist. :idea:

I did try a water droplet... Could not tell a deffrance! Lol

It's recorded on the live show fottage...

https://www.youtube.com/user/RWGresearchLive

~Russ

LOL!! its Lots of fun to experiment :D
a water droplet i think is too little for this beast :D

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 30th, 2012, 06:50 AM

Quote from waqas148 on October 30th, 2012, 06:30 AM

After watching the Update-15 video,
I was thinking a popp with some water mist. :idea:

I did try a water droplet... Could not tell a deffrance! Lol

It's recorded on the live show fottage...

https://www.youtube.com/user/RWGresearchLive

~Russ

LOL!! its Lots of fun to experiment :D
a water droplet i think is too little for this beast :D
maybe some steam with helium :P

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 30th, 2012, 06:50 AM

Quote from waqas148 on October 30th, 2012, 06:30 AM

After watching the Update-15 video,
I was thinking a popp with some water mist. :idea:

I did try a water droplet... Could not tell a deffrance! Lol


~Russ

LOL!! its Lots of fun to experiment :D
a water droplet i think is too little for this beast :D
maybe some steam with helium :P

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 29th, 2012, 10:27 PM

I cant keep up with you guys! Lol good work guys! I'm catching up on your posts here ASAP! It's been crazy for me lately!
Keep it coming!
Latest:

Thanks!! ~Russ

LOL

Love the video!!

Good to see you having some fun there Russ.

All work and no play makes Russ a dull boy :D

Russ,

Update 15 looked like great fun with the plastic cup and monster cans!!

Perhaps Mattel Corp would be interested in making a new toy!

Oh, wait!  I forgot about the demonstration that they attended in 1968, never mind!

Russ gets a mention from Inteligentry. http://inteligentry.com/report.html ;)

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” First: an announcement about "Popper" Kits. They are no longer available. We had many orders for them and it was/is fun. But, time for more important business. We are considering a 4 way, like we use on our engines, BUT.. It was great to see Russ do in such short time what the 33+ year people still can not do. :0) Thank you for the great work and video. Really shows what can be done when one decides to do it.”

End quote


I have a question for Russ, do you think it will be possible to expand the gasses (to do work) with just the HV and not including the high current DC part?



Also I have been looking at Bob’s video again and I only see 3 actual wire input/output connections.
See attachment photo!

1 = supply connection for HV and DC current and goes to the orange box.
2 = ground/neutral. This wire crosses under the pressure gauge and bucket connection and goes to the body ground connector and then to the orange box.
3 = goes from one bucket connector to the next bucket connector and goes to the CAP and Motor.

The important thing I think I’m seeing is that one of the HV/DC wires are connected to the body of the popper and also the electrode and then grounded/neutral.

I could be wrong but from what I can tell you only have the two HV/DC wires going to electrodes and neither one is connected to the body of the popper.

So have you considered grounding one of the electrodes to body of the popper?

Voltage could maybe better extracted from the two buckets wired in series and a ground from the Popper body!

Grounding the Popper body could make a big difference on working power results.
 
element 119

Quote from element 119 on October 30th, 2012, 06:15 PM

Russ gets a mention from Inteligentry. http://inteligentry.com/report.html ;)

Quote

” First: an announcement about "Popper" Kits. They are no longer available. We had many orders for them and it was/is fun. But, time for more important business. We are considering a 4 way, like we use on our engines, BUT.. It was great to see Russ do in such short time what the 33+ year people still can not do. :0) Thank you for the great work and video. Really shows what can be done when one decides to do it.”

End quote


I have a question for Russ, do you think it will be possible to expand the gasses (to do work) with just the HV and not including the high current DC part?



Also I have been looking at Bob’s video again and I only see 3 actual wire input/output connections.
See attachment photo!

1 = supply connection for HV and DC current and goes to the orange box.
2 = ground/neutral. This wire crosses under the pressure gauge and bucket connection and goes to the body ground connector and then to the orange box.
3 = goes from one bucket connector to the next bucket connector and goes to the CAP and Motor.

The important thing I think I’m seeing is that one of the HV/DC wires are connected to the body of the popper and also the electrode and then grounded/neutral.

I could be wrong but from what I can tell you only have the two HV/DC wires going to electrodes and neither one is connected to the body of the popper.

So have you considered grounding one of the electrodes to body of the popper?

Voltage could maybe better extracted from the two buckets wired in series and a ground from the Popper body!

Grounding the Popper body could make a big difference on working power results.
 
element 119

I think a floating cylinder may be best. The ionized gas is a cloud of Positive ions and a cloud of electrons. How they are layer with respect to one another has yet to be proven. If the body is grounded it will produce a voltage to attract both the electrons and the positive ions. I think the object is to keep the gas away from the wall and centered to push on the cylinder. Unless my thinking is wrong, I would float it, unless the behavior of the ionized gas is fully understood.

Quote from element 119 on October 30th, 2012, 06:15 PM

Russ gets a mention from Inteligentry. http://inteligentry.com/report.html ;)

Quote

” First: an announcement about "Popper" Kits. They are no longer available. We had many orders for them and it was/is fun. But, time for more important business. We are considering a 4 way, like we use on our engines, BUT.. It was great to see Russ do in such short time what the 33+ year people still can not do. :0) Thank you for the great work and video. Really shows what can be done when one decides to do it.”

End quote


I have a question for Russ, do you think it will be possible to expand the gasses (to do work) with just the HV and not including the high current DC part?



Also I have been looking at Bob’s video again and I only see 3 actual wire input/output connections.
See attachment photo!

1 = supply connection for HV and DC current and goes to the orange box.
2 = ground/neutral. This wire crosses under the pressure gauge and bucket connection and goes to the body ground connector and then to the orange box.
3 = goes from one bucket connector to the next bucket connector and goes to the CAP and Motor.

The important thing I think I’m seeing is that one of the HV/DC wires are connected to the body of the popper and also the electrode and then grounded/neutral.

I could be wrong but from what I can tell you only have the two HV/DC wires going to electrodes and neither one is connected to the body of the popper.

So have you considered grounding one of the electrodes to body of the popper?

Voltage could maybe better extracted from the two buckets wired in series and a ground from the Popper body!

Grounding the Popper body could make a big difference on working power results.
 
element 119

HEY! i'm in the hot seat?
that's interesting... lol
that's strangely funny. its a crazy place in the popper world!

also. element 119, i have also study that video, and if you look in the eirler videos you can see the coils he has them connected to. so this will give you a better reference to look at on where those wires go.

i did see how those were connected awhile back and if you watch that video the wires don't make a lot of sense. its almost like the buckets are connected to ground. ( on the charge cap)  and the unit is also grounded...

i looked awhile back and there just is not a good shot of the wires going to the cap... and every video is slightly different so its hard to compare...

Then in the latest videos its all different and there is still a feed back... that's the strange thing i guess..

grab some more screen shots of all the videos and you will see what i'm taking about.

~Russ

PS i'm working on a new simpler circuit using standard HV coils. like bob has

On the wiring:

Anyhow there are a couple of ways to wire the thing....
With maybe effect on the performance and backcurrent etc.

So I'll put these remarks in v 1.6.. thx 119