Quote from BobN on October 30th, 2012, 10:04 PM

I think a floating cylinder may be best. The ionized gas is a cloud of Positive ions and a cloud of electrons. How they are layer with respect to one another has yet to be proven. If the body is grounded it will produce a voltage to attract both the electrons and the positive ions. I think the object is to keep the gas away from the wall and centered to push on the cylinder. Unless my thinking is wrong, I would float it, unless the behavior of the ionized gas is fully understood.

To keep the plasma away from the wall it is possible to do this with strong magnetic fields like neodym.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJ3eCHZtGY

Quote from RussLinzmeier on October 22nd, 2012, 09:40 PM

For what its worth , I found a video that might explain how the power is created to activate Russ Gries' popper when run on hydrogen . The video is   The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding ,Part 1 - 1943.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwYMyHlWXk
  The process [ invented by Langmuir in the early 1900s ] has 3 elements to it . If you watch the video you'll notice a large billowing flame thats created from some of the hydrogen that gets burned up in the open air . This creates minimal heat but shields the weld . There is a low power A C  arc that is part of the process that doesn't penetrate the work piece and in no way has the power to create the energy that melts the metal and then there is the atomic hydrogen process that taps the zero point energy and puts the process into overunity .  The molecular hydrogen is changed to atomic hydrogen when blown thru the A C arc and recombines back to its molecular state when it contacts the work piece . More energy is released when the atoms recombine to form molecules than is required to take take the molecules apart .  If anyone disagrees that this process isn't overunity then create a 30 amp A C electric arc between 2 electrodes and see if it will melt 1/8 inch steel placed under it but just barely contacting the surface as the arc flows from one electrode to the other . Regular arc welding uses more power and flows the current thru the work piece . Is there any other arc welding that doesn't require a heavy cable to be clamped to the work piece so the energy of the welder isn't forced thru the torch to the work piece ?

Wow this is nice instant use browns gas. Nice and easy. So we can use Stans Hydrogen and Browns Gas for welding and much much more.

thanks for that research.

Quote from rheandros on October 31st, 2012, 12:35 PM

Quote from RussLinzmeier on October 22nd, 2012, 09:40 PM

For what its worth , I found a video that might explain how the power is created to activate Russ Gries' popper when run on hydrogen . The video is   The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding ,Part 1 - 1943.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwYMyHlWXk
  The process [ invented by Langmuir in the early 1900s ] has 3 elements to it . If you watch the video you'll notice a large billowing flame thats created from some of the hydrogen that gets burned up in the open air . This creates minimal heat but shields the weld . There is a low power A C  arc that is part of the process that doesn't penetrate the work piece and in no way has the power to create the energy that melts the metal and then there is the atomic hydrogen process that taps the zero point energy and puts the process into overunity .  The molecular hydrogen is changed to atomic hydrogen when blown thru the A C arc and recombines back to its molecular state when it contacts the work piece . More energy is released when the atoms recombine to form molecules than is required to take take the molecules apart .  If anyone disagrees that this process isn't overunity then create a 30 amp A C electric arc between 2 electrodes and see if it will melt 1/8 inch steel placed under it but just barely contacting the surface as the arc flows from one electrode to the other . Regular arc welding uses more power and flows the current thru the work piece . Is there any other arc welding that doesn't require a heavy cable to be clamped to the work piece so the energy of the welder isn't forced thru the torch to the work piece ?

Wow this is nice instant use browns gas. Nice and easy. So we can use Stans Hydrogen and Browns Gas for welding and much much more.

thanks for that research.

Uhmmm hydrogen is H2, something different then HHO. Because of the O its not good for welding.

HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be seperated ;)

A few comments.  I think it would be ok to use the bucket as a circuit Return if you were using a center electrode for the power to arc to.  I don't know about connecting it to earth ground but I lean toward not doing that (like BobN stated).  You generally want the LV arc to follow the HV arc because the ionized path is the low resistance path but it seems like Bob Rohner is not doing that in the still shot of the wiring.    We should use the words Return and Ground (earth) carefully.

I believe magnetic coils should perform better than permanent magnets because they encompass the whole cylinder with the flux lines parallel to it.  You would need a cylindrical permanent magnet that goes over the cylinder (might be hard to get).  

I saw sunlight hitting my clear glass coffee table and it produced a green glow (its tempered glass).   ok, carry on.

Quote from Amsy on October 31st, 2012, 01:24 AM

Quote from BobN on October 30th, 2012, 10:04 PM

I think a floating cylinder may be best. The ionized gas is a cloud of Positive ions and a cloud of electrons. How they are layer with respect to one another has yet to be proven. If the body is grounded it will produce a voltage to attract both the electrons and the positive ions. I think the object is to keep the gas away from the wall and centered to push on the cylinder. Unless my thinking is wrong, I would float it, unless the behavior of the ionized gas is fully understood.

To keep the plasma away from the wall it is possible to do this with strong magnetic fields like neodym.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJ3eCHZtGY

yes. thats why the coils are needed :)
and i also talk about this at the end of my video here:

its the latest:

update 16: mixer and info at the end

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFkpMmoBT8I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Quote from FaradayEZ on October 31st, 2012, 02:34 PM

Quote from rheandros on October 31st, 2012, 12:35 PM

Quote from RussLinzmeier on October 22nd, 2012, 09:40 PM

For what its worth , I found a video that might explain how the power is created to activate Russ Gries' popper when run on hydrogen . The video is   The Inside of Atomic Hydrogen Arc Welding ,Part 1 - 1943.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZwYMyHlWXk
  The process [ invented by Langmuir in the early 1900s ] has 3 elements to it . If you watch the video you'll notice a large billowing flame thats created from some of the hydrogen that gets burned up in the open air . This creates minimal heat but shields the weld . There is a low power A C  arc that is part of the process that doesn't penetrate the work piece and in no way has the power to create the energy that melts the metal and then there is the atomic hydrogen process that taps the zero point energy and puts the process into overunity .  The molecular hydrogen is changed to atomic hydrogen when blown thru the A C arc and recombines back to its molecular state when it contacts the work piece . More energy is released when the atoms recombine to form molecules than is required to take take the molecules apart .  If anyone disagrees that this process isn't overunity then create a 30 amp A C electric arc between 2 electrodes and see if it will melt 1/8 inch steel placed under it but just barely contacting the surface as the arc flows from one electrode to the other . Regular arc welding uses more power and flows the current thru the work piece . Is there any other arc welding that doesn't require a heavy cable to be clamped to the work piece so the energy of the welder isn't forced thru the torch to the work piece ?

Wow this is nice instant use browns gas. Nice and easy. So we can use Stans Hydrogen and Browns Gas for welding and much much more.

thanks for that research.

Uhmmm hydrogen is H2, something different then HHO. Because of the O its not good for welding.

HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be seperated ;)

Very cool video. I have heard of this but have not actually seen it now I know… Learn something new every day :) ~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 31st, 2012, 10:49 PM

Very cool video. I have heard of this but have not actually seen it now I know… Learn something new every day :) ~Russ

And you could make such a welder...if you have need for it... and do special weldings, even paid for by others...Russ Welding Garage :)

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 1st, 2012, 02:23 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 31st, 2012, 10:49 PM

Very cool video. I have heard of this but have not actually seen it now I know… Learn something new every day :) ~Russ

And you could make such a welder...if you have need for it... and do special weldings, even paid for by others...Russ Welding Garage :)

lol

well if i did that i would not use others money... :)

~Russ

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I have been hesitant to release any of the controller details until I have the engine running. But if there are others that would like to get going on their own engine testing, then perhaps I should release a 'beta' version. Any comments??

kcd

id say yes, but put it here:
open projects

make a new thread label it as you wish...

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Axil,

Thank you again - you are a great asset to this forum! There is much to do!

kcd

yes yes yes thank you Axil!!!!

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Sorry, I'm just not an Atmel guy. Fortunately, I am right handed, because back in 3rd grade when I tried to write with my left hand, the teacher swiftly swatted it with a ruler. Later in life, when I picked up the PIC instead of the Atmel, she wasn't there to swat my handSad So its just PIC 4me.
kcd

hahahaha lol good stuff! the board looks fantastic!!! nice work again my friend!!! thanks for posting!

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PS: I don't recommend using any of the boranes. They are notoriously difficult to handle and very expensive. Also, if this theory is correct, it could be very dangerous to test. Remember what happened when Papp fired off his "cannon" at China Lake. It may be critical to provide the noble gas environment for a _very_ dilute mixture of hydrogen gas and some form of boron. Papp may even have used diborane but, as I said, I wouldn't recommend trying that unless there was no other way to do a safe test and the appropriate safety precautions were taken in handling the material.

remote button :) im all clear! lol

 FYI: boron gas is toxic...

Chan:

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jabowery,
"They are notoriously difficult to handle ..." Not really, I worked with them
extensively in the 40's and 50's. See: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/315660.pdf
See page 8. Still work with "Sensitive?" materials. Presently have Fe pipe nipple +
2 caps. Loading 5% "Mix" with 95% Zeolite. One cap tight, one cracked a bit.
This is placed into larger PVC pipe section with one end glue tight + implanted gas
valve for alternate evacuating / charging with propane and the other end
capped with silicone grease to make non permanent seal. Must purge out O.
The propane is cheap, easy to work with and disintegrates into soot and active H.
The Mix follows these proportions:
NiCl2{H2O}6 + 7Mg => Ni + MgCl2 + 6MgO + 6H2
237.6 170.1 58.7 12
with excess Mg (Fireworks) powder, thorium lamp mantle and trial tid bits of
catalyst. The PVC cap is eased off with a tiny + propane pressure and the
Fe caps tightened with heavy monkeys. Dug 10' hole out back & installed 12'
4" PVC pipe capped on bottom. Wrapped nipple with used nichrome heater wire,
insulation and thermocouple. Proceedure is: lower unit, stand away, heater on
and heater off at 450 C. Goal: Excess heat or new commercial explosive via
fusion. This all started when I dated Dr. Robert W. Wood's granddaughter one
40/s summer and he showed me his barn. She showed me the moon through
diffraction grating that night.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.n...UQqa6QUoCQ
Try tiny tad of Borax.
Chan
PS: Thank you simonderricutt for http://fullnet.com/~tomg/gooteepc.htm
What an exciting new world. And thank you Russ for assembling a great group
of diverse lads and lassies who are allowed to contribute somewhat off topic
comments. God bless you all.

crazy stuff. also on the PS!!! yes!!!

attached the PDF also:

[attachment=2536]

ok got to 794... more later...

God Bless!! ~Russ

Hello Russ,

I just joined the forum.

I have some comments:

1. Spark flying out of the XMAS glass could even be produced on the outside or passed through the glass but not from the leak, IMO. This possibility is very interesting.

2.Using  a specific gas or air more than %90 of humidity may lead more interesting results.

3. How is the ozone smell overall during the experiments, specially when with open chamber? Against common opinions, O3 may also producing in air not only by breaking O2 but also H2O. So ambient humidity may change O3 production.
Hydrogen already proved to be very good popper gas. So humid air may do something noticeable.

4. Very cheap and very sensitive (down to 10 parts per billion) devices (<$50) using metal oxide/semiconductor sensors can be obtained from China sources.

5. It would be more fun if a Geiger sensor show some figure  at discharge time.

Russ

I don't think the magnets will show anything on the gas until it becomes ionized. If you take high speed video with and without the magnets I bet you see a difference, my guess here.
I agree, the coils are the way to go as they can better be changed as to when and how much force is applied. Also, very much looking forward to knowing how much current is induced in a coil per Pop.
Thanks for your work, the data will gradually uncover what we need to know for making a practical application!

"HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be separated "


Isn't HHO the same as  H2O, which is water?

Quote from Babble on November 1st, 2012, 01:09 PM

"HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be separated "


Isn't HHO the same as  H2O, which is water?

During electrolysis of water you get both H2 and O2 molecules, I.E out of 2 water
molecules you get 1 molecule containing 2 oxygen atoms and you also get 2
molecules made of 2 hydrogen atoms each.
http://www.hytechenergyeurope.com/mgs/researchimages/hho.png
Hope this helps.

I Believe this may Help

Control the direction and velocity of the gas
with coil magnets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYjdlbS0j6E

Dan

Quote from jamdix on November 1st, 2012, 10:19 AM

Hello Russ,

I just joined the forum.

I have some comments:

1. Spark flying out of the XMAS glass could even be produced on the outside or passed through the glass but not from the leak, IMO. This possibility is very interesting.

2.Using  a specific gas or air more than %90 of humidity may lead more interesting results.

3. How is the ozone smell overall during the experiments, specially when with open chamber? Against common opinions, O3 may also producing in air not only by breaking O2 but also H2O. So ambient humidity may change O3 production.
Hydrogen already proved to be very good popper gas. So humid air may do something noticeable.

4. Very cheap and very sensitive (down to 10 parts per billion) devices (<$50) using metal oxide/semiconductor sensors can be obtained from China sources.

5. It would be more fun if a Geiger sensor show some figure  at discharge time.

Interesting thought.:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0UMkQc4I-U&feature=related

very interesting

link

snap that easy?

PLasma Jet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vd7FV_UKCU

Quote from Lynx on November 1st, 2012, 02:09 PM

Quote from Babble on November 1st, 2012, 01:09 PM

"HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be separated "


Isn't HHO the same as  H2O, which is water?

During electrolysis of water you get both H2 and O2 molecules, I.E out of 2 water
molecules you get 1 molecule containing 2 oxygen atoms and you also get 2
molecules made of 2 hydrogen atoms each.
http://www.hytechenergyeurope.com/mgs/researchimages/hho.png
Hope this helps.

I understand getting hydrogen and oxygen from water but it is not called HHO.  

Quote from Babble on November 1st, 2012, 06:39 PM

Quote from Lynx on November 1st, 2012, 02:09 PM

Quote from Babble on November 1st, 2012, 01:09 PM

"HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be separated "


Isn't HHO the same as  H2O, which is water?

During electrolysis of water you get both H2 and O2 molecules, I.E out of 2 water
molecules you get 1 molecule containing 2 oxygen atoms and you also get 2
molecules made of 2 hydrogen atoms each.
http://www.hytechenergyeurope.com/mgs/researchimages/hho.png
Hope this helps.

I understand getting hydrogen and oxygen from water but it is not called HHO.

I'm afraid it is, it's a term used in fringe science, which a lot of the forum
members here are exploring btw, to describe the gas obtained through electrolysis
of water.
Another term used is Brown's gas, but it's easier to just use HHO.
And the beauty of HHO is that when you burn it you get water again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyhydrogen
Btw, what would you like to call it?

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on November 1st, 2012, 04:09 AM

Quote from FaradayEZ on November 1st, 2012, 02:23 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 31st, 2012, 10:49 PM

Very cool video. I have heard of this but have not actually seen it now I know… Learn something new every day :) ~Russ

And you could make such a welder...if you have need for it... and do special weldings, even paid for by others...Russ Welding Garage :)

lol

well if i did that i would not use others money... :)

~Russ

I guess you don't have to..these parts you still have or can manufacture yourself.
But the paying customers of Russ Welding Garage would bring in money for more open source projects.

But we're diverting, this is still the popperthread

Hmm making popcorn with the atomic welder puts us back in this thread..not? ;)

Possibly the best video posted on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMtRKJh8ZYg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Things like this is why I do what I do have fun smile enjoy life kids are the best ;)

God bless Robert!

~Russ

Quote from Babble on November 1st, 2012, 01:09 PM

"HHO is Hydrogenoxide, which you get from electrolyses of water and what is used as browns gas. But the Oxide can be separated "


Isn't HHO the same as  H2O, which is water?

Yes, in a way it is. When you burn brownsgas..it condenses back to water. If you burn Meyers gas..you get water out of the tailpipe..

HHO = H2O but loosend up, as individual ions..which form H2 gas and 1/2 O2 gas, and those are more stable.

If you mix the 2 gasses (2:1).... (2)H2 and (1)O2 and put a flame near it it combusts. (and changes back into watervapor)

When welding, you don't want Oxigen near because it oxidises the iron, rusts the weld inside and so gives slack and a weak weld.

Most welding processes shield the outside air away for this reason.

For more basic lessons..put a coin in this slot |===|

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on November 2nd, 2012, 01:28 AM

Possibly the best video posted on YouTube:


Things like this is why I do what I do have fun smile enjoy life kids are the best ;)

God bless Robert!

~Russ

LOL!
This is how future experimenters are molded.
Thanks for sharing :D

Quote from securesupplies on November 1st, 2012, 02:47 PM

snap that easy?

PLasma Jet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vd7FV_UKCU

He should put steam of 500-550 degrees over it and so produce hydrogen.
(although..it would burn off)
see: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=774

Quote from securesupplies on November 1st, 2012, 02:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0UMkQc4I-U&feature=related

very interesting

link

As if it would surprise me... :)

Stan gases and Papp Pop spark.

There seams to be alot of convergence in knowledge right now.

If air is mostly nitrogen
and nitrogen can work in Papp Popper.

And Stan Used Ionised Air GAS Processor  into his injector
 with Gaeous hho vapor as well

and  

We know that controlling the  gas expansion  with magnets and or
coil magnets can increase the velocity of the output and focus
that velocity expansion toward the piston top more efficiently.

Lets Try  

1 try running hho vapor in popper. see if it pops
2 try running ionised air mostly Nitrogen -from stans gas processor gas gun into popper
3 try mixing both into popper.


this will show the hho world the connection in knowledge here

============================================
Here are some links which show converging information

ON MASS.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/P4.pdf

http://mazeto.net:8080/ZPE_Archives/H2O/WaterEngine/Graneau%20experiments.pdf

http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/2012/07/graneau-water-explosion-engine-gwee.html

http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/waterarc/waterarcexplosion.html

http://tesla3.com/free_websites/water_explosion.html

http://members.tm.net/lapointe/EMGuns.html

http://www.flashsteam.com/Basics.htm

http://members.tm.net/lapointe/WaterGunMain.html

Quote from securesupplies on November 2nd, 2012, 02:51 AM

Stan gases and Papp Pop spark.

There seams to be alot of convergence in knowledge right now.

If air is mostly nitrogen
and nitrogen can work in Papp Popper.

And Stan Used Ionised Air GAS Processor  into his injector
 with Gaeous hho vapor as well

and  

We know that controlling the  gas expansion  with magnets and or
coil magnets can increase the velocity of the output and focus
that velocity expansion toward the piston top more efficiently.

Lets Try  

1 try running hho vapor in popper. see if it pops
2 try running ionised air mostly Nitrogen -from stans gas processor gas gun into popper
3 try mixing both into popper.


this will show the hho world the connection in knowledge here

============================================
Here are some links which show converging information

ON MASS.

http://www.free-energy-info.com/P4.pdf

http://mazeto.net:8080/ZPE_Archives/H2O/WaterEngine/Graneau%20experiments.pdf

http://opensourcenuclearfuel.blogspot.com/2012/07/graneau-water-explosion-engine-gwee.html

http://www.conspiracyoflight.com/waterarc/waterarcexplosion.html

http://tesla3.com/free_websites/water_explosion.html

http://members.tm.net/lapointe/EMGuns.html

http://www.flashsteam.com/Basics.htm

http://members.tm.net/lapointe/WaterGunMain.html

Watch full length.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foIWltOShO0&feature=youtube_gdata_player