Ha Russ, get some rest before you test, be safe, Jeff.:cool::D
Jeff Nading
RE: Let's build A "Popper" Noble Gas Engine AKA Ppap Engine.
« Reply #275, on September 18th, 2012, 05:30 AM »
Ha Russ, get some rest before you test, be safe, Jeff.:cool::D
Tralalaaahhh its testing week.... :rolleyes:
lalalaaaa
EZ...whistle smily..
First of all lets DO get the record REALLY Clear.
ALL the engines seen in he Papp and Sabori videos belong to Papp International. NOT Robert Rohner.
Bob Rohner did the machine work, using Rohner Machine Works, the famil;y buisiness. He was also the mechanical assembler and was on the
Papp International site, with many others, as can be seen from the Papp International UnEdited Videos available on the Inteligentry and plasmerg web sites.
Tom Rohner and Tom miller took the controller design provided by John Rohner and made it work with this same engine. Tom Miller with help from
John Rohner programmed the EEPROM. In the videos you will see both of them working with the controller.
Robert Rohner has never had any ownership of any Papp International property except one agreement that Papp International rescinded as Joe and
Sabori formed P and S power. That has not stopped Bob from claiming he "owns the technology patent or none".
The two sites of prime interest are the pappinternational.com site and the rohnerengineering.com sites as both can prove the above with documents.
The Popper Bob calls his was originally done in 1990 as shown in a video on the Video page on inteligentry.com site.
As to radioactivity be advised that the radioactive elements used do have a side effect that causes "Pancreatic" cancer, What ny brother Tom Died of,
so it is proven dangerous.
First of all lets DO get the record REALLY Clear.
ALL the engines seen in he Papp and Sabori videos belong to Papp International. NOT Robert Rohner.
Bob Rohner did the machine work, using Rohner Machine Works, the famil;y buisiness. He was also the mechanical assembler and was on the
Papp International site, with many others, as can be seen from the Papp International UnEdited Videos available on the Inteligentry and plasmerg web sites.
Tom Rohner and Tom miller took the controller design provided by John Rohner and made it work with this same engine. Tom Miller with help from
John Rohner programmed the EEPROM. In the videos you will see both of them working with the controller.
Robert Rohner has never had any ownership of any Papp International property except one agreement that Papp International rescinded as Joe and
Sabori formed P and S power. That has not stopped Bob from claiming he "owns the technology patent or none".
The two sites of prime interest are the pappinternational.com site and the rohnerengineering.com sites as both can prove the above with documents.
The Popper Bob calls his was originally done in 1990 as shown in a video on the Video page on inteligentry.com site.
As to radioactivity be advised that the radioactive elements used do have a side effect that causes "Pancreatic" cancer, What ny brother Tom Died of,
so it is proven dangerous.
Thanks John for telling us of the dangers involved, with the possible radiation contamination, and very sorry to hear this is what happened to your brother Tom. Is there any way to protect oneself from this. As far as the legality aspect with what we are doing open source, is this in any way an infringement on your patent's? Please advise, thanks, Jeff.:DQuote from jprohner on September 18th, 2012, 10:24 AM First of all lets DO get the record REALLY Clear.
ALL the engines seen in he Papp and Sabori videos belong to Papp International. NOT Robert Rohner.
Bob Rohner did the machine work, using Rohner Machine Works, the famil;y buisiness. He was also the mechanical assembler and was on the
Papp International site, with many others, as can be seen from the Papp International UnEdited Videos available on the Inteligentry and plasmerg web sites.
Tom Rohner and Tom miller took the controller design provided by John Rohner and made it work with this same engine. Tom Miller with help from
John Rohner programmed the EEPROM. In the videos you will see both of them working with the controller.
Robert Rohner has never had any ownership of any Papp International property except one agreement that Papp International rescinded as Joe and
Sabori formed P and S power. That has not stopped Bob from claiming he "owns the technology patent or none". U
The two sites of prime interest are the pappinternational.com site and the rohnerengineering.com sites as both can prove the above with documents.
The Popper Bob calls his was originally done in 1990 as shown in a video on the Video page on inteligentry.com site.
As to radioactivity be advised that the radioactive elements used do have a side effect that causes "Pancreatic" cancer, What ny brother Tom Died of,
so it is proven dangerous.
First of all lets DO get the record REALLY Clear.
That has not stopped Bob from claiming he "owns the technology patent or none".
First of all hello,
Secondly how would the world have looked now if the Papp engine had become a common product?
The way Papp patented it, it looks more like hiding then presenting the secret.
Bob shows the essence of it working... in that way he "owns" the process, he can replicate it.
And since the Papp patents are now public domain.. we the people should own the process.
Who would mind a law stating that run out patents can be freely used but not to become filthy rich of, with a 100.000 limit per year?
Not the people who feel the need in this world.
So bless Bob for showing what he showed and with that convincing the public here that it may be doable to replicate.
From your site its still waiting for a working popper or engine... even if you own a patent or 2...
Please feel the worlds need and hurry up mister dr.dr.j.p.Rohner.
Hey guys, maybe it would be wise to have one of these devices around?
http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=+RADIOLOGICAL+SURVEY+METER&_sacat=0&LH_Price=..100%40c&_dmpt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&_odkw=radiation+meter+-electromagnet+-electromagnetic&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
Geiger counterQuote from KevinW-dirtwill on September 18th, 2012, 10:41 PM Hey guys, maybe it would be wise to have one of these devices around?
http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=+RADIOLOGICAL+SURVEY+METER&_sacat=0&LH_Price=..100%40c&_dmpt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&_odkw=radiation+meter+-electromagnet+-electromagnetic&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
and yes, it would but, at this moment i dont think any one is playing with radioactive stuff... (or not that much) :) thanks will!
~Russ
Hi Russ,Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 18th, 2012, 11:36 PM Geiger counterQuote from KevinW-dirtwill on September 18th, 2012, 10:41 PM Hey guys, maybe it would be wise to have one of these devices around?
http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=+RADIOLOGICAL+SURVEY+METER&_sacat=0&LH_Price=..100%40c&_dmpt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&_odkw=radiation+meter+-electromagnet+-electromagnetic&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
and yes, it would but, at this moment i dont think any one is playing with radioactive stuff... (or not that much) :) thanks will!
~Russ
Hope you get enough rest this week.... at least one day...its like a present..to open or not yet?
Cause it can be, and changes are great for that, a present that isn't yet what we hope for.
We have to expect, that success is not yet to be obtained at the first try!!
Be real about it, if it was easy, then dr.dr. would have also had a video showing the thing, one way or another.
If we stay cleaver, and dig a bit deeper into the science of how to excite the gas, we could be successful at the end of november?
Sowwww.... although i am anxious etc. etc. i still see we are mostly blindly starting with this, and should not put our realistic hopes up too high!
(But reaching it will be the start of a real step for humanity. And after the first couple of pops we need to work on how to accelerate the process etc.)
Geiger counterQuote from KevinW-dirtwill on September 18th, 2012, 10:41 PM Hey guys, maybe it would be wise to have one of these devices around?
http://www.ebay.ca/sch/i.html?_nkw=+RADIOLOGICAL+SURVEY+METER&_sacat=0&LH_Price=..100%40c&_dmpt=BI_Security_Fire_Protection&_odkw=radiation+meter+-electromagnet+-electromagnetic&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313
and yes, it would but, at this moment i dont think any one is playing with radioactive stuff... (or not that much) :) thanks will!
~Russ
I have faith, it will work, i am still finishing the up the set up cleaning and fighting my internet ( not working at all!!!!!)
I have not done the test yet... i was up from 6am Monday morning till 6:30 pm Tuesday...
Hi Russ,
Please do the first test on video, and have someone with ye for safety.
Thx,
Once my Internet is working... I will upload the results.Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 19th, 2012, 04:45 AM I have faith, it will work, i am still finishing the up the set up cleaning and fighting my internet ( not working at all!!!!!)
I have not done the test yet... i was up from 6am Monday morning till 6:30 pm Tuesday...
Hi Russ,
Please do the first test on video, and have someone with ye for safety.
Thx,
No sneek peek! ;) patience is the key. And I like watching people wait. Sounds mean but it's kind of interesting to see who has the patience...
this week I'm the one who had to have the patients. Internet has been down since last week. Had to drive all the way across town to my dads house in order to upload the other videos...
Encoding videos and trying to upload later today. The guys here now trying to fix the Internet
KCD, nice work again! Who needs all those other parts! ? Lol
~Russ
Glad to hear that you're okay and not been blown up!
The truth is Patience is an illussion... Still waters run deep, and patient people break things when no one's looking... :huh: lol
Jeff, everything here that is open sorce is found in the patent or open already on the internet.Quote from Jeff Nading on September 18th, 2012, 12:26 PM Thanks John for telling us of the dangers involved, with the possible radiation contamination, and very sorry to hear this is what happened to your brother Tom. Is there any way to protect oneself from this. As far as the legality aspect with what we are doing open source, is this in any way an infringement on your patent's? Please advise, thanks, Jeff.:DQuote from jprohner on September 18th, 2012, 10:24 AM First of all lets DO get the record REALLY Clear.
ALL the engines seen in he Papp and Sabori videos belong to Papp International. NOT Robert Rohner.
Bob Rohner did the machine work, using Rohner Machine Works, the famil;y buisiness. He was also the mechanical assembler and was on the
Papp International site, with many others, as can be seen from the Papp International UnEdited Videos available on the Inteligentry and plasmerg web sites.
Tom Rohner and Tom miller took the controller design provided by John Rohner and made it work with this same engine. Tom Miller with help from
John Rohner programmed the EEPROM. In the videos you will see both of them working with the controller.
Robert Rohner has never had any ownership of any Papp International property except one agreement that Papp International rescinded as Joe and
Sabori formed P and S power. That has not stopped Bob from claiming he "owns the technology patent or none". U
The two sites of prime interest are the pappinternational.com site and the rohnerengineering.com sites as both can prove the above with documents.
The Popper Bob calls his was originally done in 1990 as shown in a video on the Video page on inteligentry.com site.
As to radioactivity be advised that the radioactive elements used do have a side effect that causes "Pancreatic" cancer, What ny brother Tom Died of,
so it is proven dangerous.
John, FYI, information is good but please do advice if you post here ( and your welcome to) please make sure we keep on the path of interest, this being the technical side of the Papp motor and or popper devices.
Just a fair warning, if your here to post he said she said stuff... I won't have any of that here, we are a solid group working on this tech, leaving all "family fude" out of the posting and research...
So... With that said ( and I hope I did not offend you)
Back to the research at hand.
You state you are using strontium impregnated electrodes. Where do you get such an item. It does not come with the kit but from what I understand it's what you're supposed to be using? Where do we get it?
Over all I will be playing with no radioactive material except for the 2% thorium in the tunstion electrodes I'm using. L
Other that that I'm going to be using RF and other sources of ionizing energy.
Anyway. Like I stated in my videos I'm not for or against anyone I'm just here to gather information test the theories and see what works and along the way meet interesting people and show people that things like this can be done if they choose to experiment with it.
Thanks,
~Russ
Just some update photos - the last major part, the flywheel, in the works. And speaking of parts, the Leftovers, LOL.:)
kcd
Once my Internet is working... I will upload the results.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sowww... we can do a bet on it now?
I put 5 reputation points on no success yet
(do i have to leave the forum at -5 ? )
Nice machine shop KC, you could build a tractor inside there i guess?:DQuote from k c dias on September 20th, 2012, 11:42 AM Just some update photos - the last major part, the flywheel, in the works. And speaking of parts, the Leftovers, LOL.:)
kcd
Shame to throw away those screws young man!!:@
EZ...mumble..always handy some screws..yeah like screw aroundYou get extra negtive points for being so negative! Lol j/kQuote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 20th, 2012, 12:10 PM Once my Internet is working... I will upload the results.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Sowww... we can do a bet on it now?
I put 5 reputation points on no success yet
(do i have to leave the forum at -5 ? )
You will just need to wait and see...
~Russ
Just some update photos - the last major part, the flywheel, in the works. And speaking of parts, the Leftovers, LOL.:)
kcd
RussQuote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on September 18th, 2012, 03:17 PM Jeff, everything here that is open sorce is found in the patent or open already on the internet.Quote from Jeff Nading on September 18th, 2012, 12:26 PM Thanks John for telling us of the dangers involved, with the possible radiation contamination, and very sorry to hear this is what happened to your brother Tom. Is there any way to protect oneself from this. As far as the legality aspect with what we are doing open source, is this in any way an infringement on your patent's? Please advise, thanks, Jeff.:DQuote from jprohner on September 18th, 2012, 10:24 AM First of all lets DO get the record REALLY Clear.
ALL the engines seen in he Papp and Sabori videos belong to Papp International. NOT Robert Rohner.
Bob Rohner did the machine work, using Rohner Machine Works, the famil;y buisiness. He was also the mechanical assembler and was on the
Papp International site, with many others, as can be seen from the Papp International UnEdited Videos available on the Inteligentry and plasmerg web sites.
Tom Rohner and Tom miller took the controller design provided by John Rohner and made it work with this same engine. Tom Miller with help from
John Rohner programmed the EEPROM. In the videos you will see both of them working with the controller.
Robert Rohner has never had any ownership of any Papp International property except one agreement that Papp International rescinded as Joe and
Sabori formed P and S power. That has not stopped Bob from claiming he "owns the technology patent or none". U
The two sites of prime interest are the pappinternational.com site and the rohnerengineering.com sites as both can prove the above with documents.
The Popper Bob calls his was originally done in 1990 as shown in a video on the Video page on inteligentry.com site.
As to radioactivity be advised that the radioactive elements used do have a side effect that causes "Pancreatic" cancer, What ny brother Tom Died of,
so it is proven dangerous.
John, FYI, information is good but please do advice if you post here ( and your welcome to) please make sure we keep on the path of interest, this being the technical side of the Papp motor and or popper devices.
Just a fair warning, if your here to post he said she said stuff... I won't have any of that here, we are a solid group working on this tech, leaving all "family fude" out of the posting and research...
So... With that said ( and I hope I did not offend you)
Back to the research at hand.
You state you are using strontium impregnated electrodes. Where do you get such an item. It does not come with the kit but from what I understand it's what you're supposed to be using? Where do we get it?
Over all I will be playing with no radioactive material except for the 2% thorium in the tunstion electrodes I'm using. L
Other that that I'm going to be using RF and other sources of ionizing energy.
Anyway. Like I stated in my videos I'm not for or against anyone I'm just here to gather information test the theories and see what works and along the way meet interesting people and show people that things like this can be done if they choose to experiment with it.
Thanks,
~Russ
You should have your kit now. Email me if you do not by Friday.
The strontium impregnated electrode is, as us old school folks say a "Keep It Simple Stupid (KISS), item. A welders rod. Enough to do what is needed and not enough to make it harmful. In that same vein notice our "Electrodes" are Spark plugs. No reason to redesign the wheel when a simple modification will provide mass quantities and inexpensive pricing as well. Welding rod is also plentiful and inexpensive. As to anything else I am just coming by when I get time, since we are getting engines and products ready for the Dec 11 Power Gen show and we have just finished "evolving" the control system to fit Plastic boxes and be "tougher". For instance the transistors we use to switch Coil voltages are now rated at 100V @ 63 A or 6.3 KW. We don't use near that but it provides a "safe" range that should keep the system reliable. I have been following your videos as they are interesting particularly when you consider I have a video posted from 1990 that shows EXACTLY the same thing. So maybe not a "discovery" after all as it is from the same group that has spent 33 years and millions getting to a "popper". :0) Call me anything just don't call me late to our Dec 11 showing..
That will be earth shakin. looks like at least 38 products and manufacturers.
Have fun. Enjoy Life
Google "strontium impregnated welding rod" and find no results?