Securesupplies,
I'm sure that would work just fine. A low dielectric constant is important because you don't want the capacitance of the large part of the injector effeceting the tapered area capacitance. Macor has a dielectric constant of about 6 unitl the temp goes beyond 150 C. As we all know macor is what Meyer used but it is quite expensive.
IMHO, the dielectric layer is one of the most, if not THE most, important design element of the whole system. I posted a thread on how I believe the system is capable of drawing energy from the environment (vacuum, zero-point, dirac-sea, aether, whatever you want to call it):
http://www.open-source-energy.org/?tid=1168I believe, based on reported observations by a/o John Bedini that the secret of the whole system is to be found in the properties of the dielectric layer within the fuel cell (or injector, which appears to contain a tiny fuel cell).
It has been a head-ache for many years in solving the question of how to prevent electrolytic capacitors from generating HHO, an unwanted effect when building electrolytic capacitors.
An electrolytic capacitor, contrary to what many people think, is not just two capacitor plates with a dielectric in between. One of the "plates" is no more than a contact plate between the terminal and the electrolyte fluid. The other plate is an actual plate, on which a tiny layer of dielectric (often aluminum oxide) is grown by means of an electochemical process. The actual other "plate" of such a capacitor is then formed by the ions in the electrolyte fluid, whereby the dielectric layer is in the order of 1 um thick. In the old days, radio amateurs used aluminum plates and baking soda as an electrolyte.
Now what happens when you put aluminum plates in a baking soda bath and put a voltage across them, on the positive plate such a layer of dielectric grows automagically such that it becomes thick enough to withstand the applied voltage. If you want to make an electrolytic capacitor that way, you need to apply like 10% extra voltage during the growing process, so the dielectric grows just a little bit thicker than needed for the intended usage voltage.
The next thing that is very interesting is what happens when you apply high voltage spikes to an electrolytic capacitor. When you do that for a while, the capacitors start to show a significant increase of what is known as "dielectric relaxation" effect. When you charge an elco to, say 10 V, and then shortly short circuit it, then after a few seconds or a minute or so, it will spontaneously recharge itself to about 10% of the original voltage. That is the dielectric relaxation effect.
Electrolytic capacitors (as well as lead-acid batteries) which have been charged with high voltage spikes, Bedini's method, show a behavior whereby they spontaneously re-charge to much higher voltages.
I believe this occurs because the thin dielectric layer gets super-polarized by these *sudden* high voltage spikes.
Now if that is correct, and indeed you get a very strong electric field within your polarized dielectric, this field extends into the electrolyte fluid. Now because the layer is very thin, this field can be very strong, and exceed the dielectric breakdown strength of water and thus causes the water to spontaneously split into hydrogen/oxygen gas, which can be used as a fuel.
Interestingly, when experiments are being done with old-school rectifiers, basically the same construction, a glow is being observed over the surface of the aluminum plates. I believe this same kind of glow has been reported with some more successfull fuel cell replications (Rahni or something?).....
So, if this indeed is the mechanism by which the system draws it's energy from the environment, the thickness of the layer is very, very important, because that relates directly to the field strength that results within the dielectric when you apply an external voltage in order to "charge" the capacitor and thus polarize the dielectric, which eventually gives you the power to produce your gas. (see thread posted above).
In other words: the thickness and properties of the dielectric layer determine whether or not your system will function as desired. It is very hard to produce very thin layers of dielectric with a constant thickness onto a rough material such as metal, unless you grow the layer electrochemically.
With aluminum, we know exactly how to do that. The industry does it all the time when they make an electrolytic capacitor, and the DIY version with baking soda also works, albeit that those are plagued with unintended HHO production.
;)So, it may be worthwhile to experiment with homemade aluminum and baking soda electrolytic capacitors in order to see whether or not the effect I think is responsible for the working principle of the device indeed works as I say it does. If that turns out to be correct, you then also have the information you need in order to make dielectric layers with desired properties on other metals, such as stainless steel.
Stainless steel does contain other metals that prevent it from rusting by growing a dielectric layer, which thickness then needs to be controlled in order to get a layer that is just thick enough to withstand the voltages you apply to it in order to polarize the material, so that it induces a strong electric field in your fluid which makes the water to split without having to apply an external current trough the fluid itself...
Posted this in this thread a few minutes back. It said it's posted, but I can't seem to find it back. So, here's another try:
Securesupplies,
I'm sure that would work just fine. A low dielectric constant is important because you don't want the capacitance of the large part of the injector effeceting the tapered area capacitance. Macor has a dielectric constant of about 6 unitl the temp goes beyond 150 C. As we all know macor is what Meyer used but it is quite expensive.
IMHO, the dielectric layer is one of the most, if not THE most, important design element of the whole system. I posted a thread on how I believe the system is capable of drawing energy from the environment (vacuum, zero-point, dirac-sea, aether, whatever you want to call it):
http://www.open-source-energy.org/?tid=1168I believe, based on reported observations by a/o John Bedini that the secret of the whole system is to be found in the properties of the dielectric layer within the fuel cell (or injector, which appears to contain a tiny fuel cell).
It has been a head-ache for many years in solving the question of how to prevent electrolytic capacitors from generating HHO, an unwanted effect when building electrolytic capacitors.
An electrolytic capacitor, contrary to what many people think, is not just two capacitor plates with a dielectric in between. One of the "plates" is no more than a contact plate between the terminal and the electrolyte fluid. The other plate is an actual plate, on which a tiny layer of dielectric (often aluminum oxide) is grown by means of an electochemical process. The actual other "plate" of such a capacitor is then formed by the ions in the electrolyte fluid, whereby the dielectric layer is in the order of 1 um thick. In the old days, radio amateurs used aluminum plates and baking soda as an electrolyte.
Now what happens when you put aluminum plates in a baking soda bath and put a voltage across them, on the positive plate such a layer of dielectric grows automagically such that it becomes thick enough to withstand the applied voltage. If you want to make an electrolytic capacitor that way, you need to apply like 10% extra voltage during the growing process, so the dielectric grows just a little bit thicker than needed for the intended usage voltage.
The next thing that is very interesting is what happens when you apply high voltage spikes to an electrolytic capacitor. When you do that for a while, the capacitors start to show a significant increase of what is known as "dielectric relaxation" effect. When you charge an elco to, say 10 V, and then shortly short circuit it, then after a few seconds or a minute or so, it will spontaneously recharge itself to about 10% of the original voltage. That is the dielectric relaxation effect.
Electrolytic capacitors (as well as lead-acid batteries) which have been charged with high voltage spikes, Bedini's method, show a behavior whereby they spontaneously re-charge to much higher voltages.
I believe this occurs because the thin dielectric layer gets super-polarized by these *sudden* high voltage spikes.
Now if that is correct, and indeed you get a very strong electric field within your polarized dielectric, this field extends into the electrolyte fluid. Now because the layer is very thin, this field can be very strong, and exceed the dielectric breakdown strength of water and thus causes the water to spontaneously split into hydrogen/oxygen gas, which can be used as a fuel.
Interestingly, when experiments are being done with old-school rectifiers, basically the same construction, a glow is being observed over the surface of the aluminum plates. I believe this same kind of glow has been reported with some more successfull fuel cell replications (Rahni or something?).....
So, if this indeed is the mechanism by which the system draws it's energy from the environment, the thickness of the layer is very, very important, because that relates directly to the field strength that results within the dielectric when you apply an external voltage in order to "charge" the capacitor and thus polarize the dielectric, which eventually gives you the power to produce your gas. (see thread posted above).
In other words: the thickness and properties of the dielectric layer determine whether or not your system will function as desired. It is very hard to produce very thin layers of dielectric with a constant thickness onto a rough material such as metal, unless you grow the layer electrochemically.
With aluminum, we know exactly how to do that. The industry does it all the time when they make an electrolytic capacitor, and the DIY version with baking soda also works, albeit that those are plagued with unintended HHO production.
;)So, it may be worthwhile to experiment with homemade aluminum and baking soda electrolytic capacitors in order to see whether or not the effect I think is responsible for the working principle of the device indeed works as I say it does. If that turns out to be correct, you then also have the information you need in order to make dielectric layers with desired properties on other metals, such as stainless steel.
Stainless steel does contain other metals that prevent it from rusting by growing a dielectric layer, which thickness then needs to be controlled in order to get a layer that is just thick enough to withstand the voltages you apply to it in order to polarize the material, so that it induces a strong electric field in your fluid which makes the water to split without having to apply an external current trough the fluid itself...
The answers are in this patent.
Cheers,
JP
I collected all Meyer patents I could find:
http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Patents/Meyer/