Stanley Meyer Water Car Injector Drawings For The Water Powered buggy!

In this video is the WFC injector drawings! go and run with it! it must get out there to the people!

please see this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEOykdo9B2Q

as well as this one:
In this video below i meant to say .010" gap as that's .020" / 2 = .010" yep i'm still human! lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETncxIV8cMw

None of this would ever be here without everyone's help. Please check out what is going on and help were you can. I'm not going to ask for donations, but i will say that it is a key factor to getting this out to the public! if you would like to donate you can do so on the web site:

http://rwgresearch.com/donate-to-rwgresearch-com/

if you can not donate funds... well that's normal! no problem!  just get involved! Everything can be free. lets set it free! free knowledge, free thinking, free to live, free to thrive!

Please see here for the drawings and other work on this:

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/

Here you will find the work concerning Stanley Meyer WFC “Water Injector” technology.

Here one will find some Original drawings from the estate on the VIC bobbins and cores, as well as the injectors them self's.

There is a VIC coil that goes with the Injector and it is designed just for This injector.

Here are some photos of Stan's injectors and VIC coils to go with it.

 

Here is the VIC for the injector.

 

 

Now for some of the most Important drawings ever gave away for free on the internet...

 

Below is the VIC bobbins. Please note That there are only 13 slots. Don't count them, just use the Measurements.

Please Give these drawings away to everyone! There not to be sold. You don't own them... Stan dose... He would want it to be free. Why do you think he patented it? if he did not it would be lost! Think about it

"In starting my quest in order to bring in the power system I knew from my prior scientific background, that I must legalize the technology.  If I do not legalize the technology and try to bring it out through the American people or even to the world, then in fact that technology could be blocked." ~Stanly Mayer

you can download the PDF's here:

Injector_RWGresearch.com.pdf

VIC Design_RWGresearch.com.pdf

I already have some of the ceramic Inserts on the way to my house. I will post photos here when i get them in.

Below is some of the work i have done so far on the Vic bobbins. I will need to re due these but for now there good for testing. I have 14 slots in this bobbin. Thanks to dynodon for the SS wire and cores. There will be more made of different types for testing.

Here one can see the SS 430F/FR wire on the bobbin. Each inductor is 11.6k ohms

Please see these threads on the forms for more info on this build:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=119&highlight=VIC

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=134

here is some 3D drawings by BAM5 AKA Brian over at the forms:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552

Here is a  Sketch of the VIC coil that FirePinto AKA Nate, has drawn up !

Here is the sketchup file:

VIC Drawing RWGresearch FirePinto.skp

What an amazing bunch of people we have over at the forms joining together to help bring forth this tech and get it out to the world!

Thanks you all!

MORE SOON!

God Bless

~Russ Gries

GOD BLESS US ALL!

So cool!  It's great to see the injectors in detail rather than scratchy video tapes.  And how long would we of continued useing 14 cavity bobbins lol with out this info..  Thank you very much anonamous user!

Nate

I must say , I am also very appreciative of the anonymous donation or donator:cool::D. We still have a ways to go, but with people helping in this manor, we will have it all soon, I want to thank everyone on this forum and guest who just visit, because the knowledge is getting out to the public, this is as it should be open-source, thank you as well Russ. It's great to be part of a team and part of history, that's exactly what we all are doing here, making history. Thanks be to everyone, Jeff.:cool::D:P

That´s awesome guys!!
First of all i want to say thanks to the anonymous guy for giving that amazing drawings!
And Congratulations Russ!watching your video i feel like we are really close to get something really big!! Still we have a lot of things to do but i feel like it´s a lot already done! it´s an amazing team work going on here!
Good job guys!!

 

This new information is excellent, it opens up further thinking on a full install, what is needed in addition to the injector and vic to have a fully operational retrofit kit!.
cheers

Superb! I also thank the anonimous user,awesome job,and also Russ,and i like to add that:i think those skematics whore there all the time(in ''The birth of new tech'')look on the top right page ''Memo WFC 423 DA'' and someone deleted those pages before releasing the book for the first time,I might be wrong because I don't know who released first this book.I also like to say that the injector is verry similarto Pulharich,(ceramic housing..etc.)but more advanced by adding the channels for  procesed water mist ionized ambient air etc...Maibe you CAD guru's would like to design that in google schetch.....Br.Ady

Quote from adys15 on May 24th, 2012, 12:42 AM

Superb! I also thank the anonimous user,awesome job,and also Russ,and i like to add that:i think those skematics whore there all the time(in ''The birth of new tech'')look on the top right page ''Memo WFC 423 DA'' and someone deleted those pages before releasing the book for the first time,I might be wrong because I don't know who released first this book.I also like to say that the injector is verry similarto Pulharich,(ceramic housing..etc.)but more advanced by adding the channels for  procesed water mist ionized ambient air etc...Maibe you CAD guru's would like to design that in google schetch.....Br.Ady

Awesome!!!

Yes, seen that too.. top on the pages are readable "RE: WATER FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM    Memo WFC 423 DA"?

Figures 3-X: are under Sec.3. and Figures 2-X are under Sec.2.

"WATER FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM" has Sec.4. in "Memo WFC 423 DA" in 'The Birth of New Technology WFC Tech-Brief" pdf?

Wondering what more is missing from the ''The Birth of New Technology WFC Tech-Brief" pdf :huh:

But hey, great information, thanks for sharing the documents !

Br,
Webmug

Thanks Russ and everyone else who made this available! I will take this to the machine shop that is fabricating my Gasoline Vaporizer and see what I can do to test it and send you one if they can do it. Thanks for everything everyone!

Quote from adys15 on May 24th, 2012, 12:42 AM

Superb! I also thank the anonimous user,awesome job,and also Russ,and i like to add that:i think those skematics whore there all the time(in ''The birth of new tech'')look on the top right page ''Memo WFC 423 DA'' and someone deleted those pages before releasing the book for the first time,I might be wrong because I don't know who released first this book.I also like to say that the injector is verry similarto Pulharich,(ceramic housing..etc.)but more advanced by adding the channels for  procesed water mist ionized ambient air etc...Maibe you CAD guru's would like to design that in google schetch.....Br.Ady

No, I don't think they're out of the book. I think it's a totally separate book. Look at the drawings in the original document. The drawing numbers are already in there. There's a whole second book that we don't have. I was told by Don that there was another book at the estate that they did not get to look at or photocopy I should say. These came from the owners now of Stan's state.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 24th, 2012, 06:11 AM

Quote from adys15 on May 24th, 2012, 12:42 AM

Superb! I also thank the anonimous user,awesome job,and also Russ,and i like to add that:i think those skematics whore there all the time(in ''The birth of new tech'')look on the top right page ''Memo WFC 423 DA'' and someone deleted those pages before releasing the book for the first time,I might be wrong because I don't know who released first this book.I also like to say that the injector is verry similarto Pulharich,(ceramic housing..etc.)but more advanced by adding the channels for  procesed water mist ionized ambient air etc...Maibe you CAD guru's would like to design that in google schetch.....Br.Ady

No, I don't think they're out of the book. I think it's a totally separate book. Look at the drawings in the original document. The drawing numbers are already in there. There's a whole second book that we don't have. I was told by Don that there was another book at the estate that they did not get to look at or photocopy I should say. These came from the owners now of Stan's state.

Hopefully, we can get the rest of his research.  :cool:

You know, as soon as I saw the drawing for the injector it instantly reminded me of something.  I'm not sure if the relation would actually help with what you're doing but you never know.

So, the business end of the injector looks almost identical to the output end of.... an AIRBRUSH!  Check this out-





Hmm... Looks awfully familiar...

Here's a link to a manufacture, whatever a "size 1" needle, tip, and air cap is, looks small.  

Airbrush Parts

This may not be EXACTLY right, but may help in the fact that having those 2 parts (needle and cap) machined may cost a fortune.

Hope this helps,
Brux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETncxIV8cMw&feature=em-uploademail

Your intro scared me Russ. Lol Nice one

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on May 24th, 2012, 04:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETncxIV8cMw&feature=em-uploademail

Your intro scared me Russ. Lol Nice one

Yes that's a cool intro, I like it.:cool::D:P

hey guys, in that last video please note the clearance is .010" all the way around... that's .020"... so its a .010" and not .020...

.020" /2 = .010"

got ahead of my self! :)

the important thing is that we are still "quenching" the gas/water...

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on May 24th, 2012, 04:34 PM

Your intro scared me Russ. Lol Nice one

lol good stuf man!

Quote

So, the business end of the injector looks almost identical to the output end of.... an AIRBRUSH! Check this out-

that may be a fantastic start!!!!

but we dont have any dimensions of it?

also, water and other spray  nozzle may work. i looked in the past but did not find much...

good find!! ~Russ

First off thanks to everyone here who is contributing this work.

Russ, I noticed what you said about those injectors, those milled slots in the tapered cone area would be difficult (expensive) to machine. Maybe in the mean time we can come up with something simplier for testing.

EVERYONE: I emailed Tempel Steel about getting some electrical steel to the specs in the drawings. Not sure if anyone else is looking to source the material. But just to let everyone know we're working on it.

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Pic of the injector VIC I built a few years back. Unfortunately all it does it look cool!

Russ, you're back, and how. Good video and nice hat by the way.  Unbelievably fantastic this is.

Thank you, unknown source.  I don't know what ever made you a believer of the open source through the idea's from Stanley Meyer.  This is an incredible concrete step forward.

On WFC 423 DA I can not image, looking at the injector design, that the injector is used to inject some water mist in a gas-mixture.  This question is still open from you Russ.  I'm really curious what comes out of this design if it is just fed with water.  I looked at the pictures from the dune-buggy and can also not find any hose from the "fuel mixing chamber" to the solenoids.  

For WFC 423 DA it looks the exhaust gas is mixed with the ionized air and fed to the engine intake.  The water is pushed through the injectors.  How do you think about this now?
Furthermore, any idea on where this pressure is coming from?

Rider

Quote from BRUXXUS on May 24th, 2012, 04:17 PM

You know, as soon as I saw the drawing for the injector it instantly reminded me of something.  I'm not sure if the relation would actually help with what you're doing but you never know.

So, the business end of the injector looks almost identical to the output end of.... an AIRBRUSH!  Check this out-





Hmm... Looks awfully familiar...

Here's a link to a manufacture, whatever a "size 1" needle, tip, and air cap is, looks small.  

Airbrush Parts

This may not be EXACTLY right, but may help in the fact that having those 2 parts (needle and cap) machined may cost a fortune.

Hope this helps,
Brux

Good observation!

Quote from HHO4Life on May 24th, 2012, 04:50 AM

Thanks Russ and everyone else who made this available! I will take this to the machine shop that is fabricating my Gasoline Vaporizer and see what I can do to test it and send you one if they can do it. Thanks for everything everyone!

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Hello again. Second post.  A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ).  Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place.  ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately )  I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly.  I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point.  Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly.   Here goes.  Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?!  Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did?  What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today.  My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done.  And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule?  Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing?????  The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now.  I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions.  You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like.  Once again, just a shell.  And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood.  Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the sparkplug hole.  The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed.  They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion.  Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ???  Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head??  Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head??  How about the ground connector??  One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector.  This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it.  So with the injector sitting in the sparkplug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it??   Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly.  Man I did not want to have to get into this, but you are more than likely going to have to change the design
to ensure a fit on today's engines.  One other thing while I am thinking about it.  Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a
homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.  I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel.  In order to inject water at the
correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place use the onboard electronics for fuel delivery  ( we're talking water here!!!)
and ignition.  I just thought of another problem you are going to have.  I am going to have to look into seeing if there
is a solution readily available.  I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me, you just have to believe that I am
absolutelynobody.

Hey Guys

I want to pitch in on those orders of the ceramic insulators and the SS Wires,
who can I talk to about that?

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Hello again. Second post.  A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ).  Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place.  ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately )  I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly.  I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point.  Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly.   Here goes.  Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?!  Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did?  What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today.  My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done.  And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule?  Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing?????  The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now.  I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions.  You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like.  Once again, just a shell.  And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood.  Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole.  The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed.  They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion.  Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ???  Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head??  Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head??  How about the ground connector??  One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector.  This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it.  So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
 correctly without any clearance issues.  Just because the injector fits one spark plug  hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others.  Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly.  You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines.  If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
 One other thing while I am thinking about it.  Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.  
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel.  In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery  ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
 I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available.  I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

 Noted ,

Moving right along

Hey, sorry again for coming in so late in the game.  I have a couple questions though.

Is there a list of parts and and steps to convert an engine to run on water?
Does anybody have approximate prices for this stuff?

Before now, I didn't see a way I could actually try to do this, but then it hit me that I could do this for someone who had money.  I - and everyone here - could start with one car, then move on to more cars as the word spreads.  :D

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 26th, 2012, 09:34 AM

Hey, sorry again for coming in so late in the game.  I have a couple questions though.

Is there a list of parts and and steps to convert an engine to run on water?
Does anybody have approximate prices for this stuff?

Before now, I didn't see a way I could actually try to do this, but then it hit me that I could do this for someone who had money.  I - and everyone here - could start with one car, then move on to more cars as the word spreads.  :D

There is a lot of work to do before that can happen.  The systems are still being reverse engineered.  There are many sub systems that make up the entire WFC system.  Each system needs to be completed and working first.  This is all still about research! :D

Nate

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Hello again. Second post.  A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ).  Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place.  ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately )  I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly.  I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point.  Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly.   Here goes.  Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?!  Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did?  What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today.  My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done.  And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule?  Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing?????  The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now.  I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions.  You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like.  Once again, just a shell.  And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood.  Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole.  The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed.  They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion.  Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ???  Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head??  Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head??  How about the ground connector??  One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector.  This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it.  So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
 correctly without any clearance issues.  Just because the injector fits one spark plug  hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others.  Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly.  You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines.  If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
 One other thing while I am thinking about it.  Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.  
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel.  In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery  ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
 I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available.  I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

In my opinion worrying about the injectors fitting an engine is not what we need to worry about right now.  We need to know how to make these units function and their properties like burn rate and such.  Russ does a very good job at testing things like this, which needs to be done.  If I had to guess the "burn-O-meter" will be the first thing the injector sparkplug gets installed on.  Data can then be compiled from those tests.  

On the subject of newer vehicles, you are correct that some of the engines are pretty much impossible to fit such a device into where the sparkplug goes.  Though some new cars come with direct injection now, which could open up new ideas for WFC's.  It isn't hard to find an old VW engine like Stan's, Irondmax has one in his garage now waiting to run on water.   Personally I don't think it is worth the headaches to deal with an OEM engine managment system.  I say leave current auto manufactures out of the picture.  If I was going to build water cars, I'd be using large motorcycle engines like what is in the Hyabusa.  Lots of room for crazy spark plug stuff.

Nate

Quote from firepinto on May 26th, 2012, 10:35 AM

Quote from FloatyBoaty on May 26th, 2012, 09:34 AM

Hey, sorry again for coming in so late in the game.  I have a couple questions though.

Is there a list of parts and and steps to convert an engine to run on water?
Does anybody have approximate prices for this stuff?

Before now, I didn't see a way I could actually try to do this, but then it hit me that I could do this for someone who had money.  I - and everyone here - could start with one car, then move on to more cars as the word spreads.  :D

There is a lot of work to do before that can happen.  The systems are still being reverse engineered.  There are many sub systems that make up the entire WFC system.  Each system needs to be completed and working first.  This is all still about research! :D

Nate

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Hello again. Second post.  A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ).  Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place.  ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately )  I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly.  I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point.  Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly.   Here goes.  Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?!  Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did?  What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today.  My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done.  And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule?  Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing?????  The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now.  I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions.  You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like.  Once again, just a shell.  And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood.  Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole.  The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed.  They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion.  Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ???  Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head??  Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head??  How about the ground connector??  One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector.  This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it.  So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
 correctly without any clearance issues.  Just because the injector fits one spark plug  hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others.  Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly.  You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines.  If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
 One other thing while I am thinking about it.  Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.  
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel.  In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery  ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
 I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available.  I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

In my opinion worrying about the injectors fitting an engine is not what we need to worry about right now.  We need to know how to make these units function and their properties like burn rate and such.  Russ does a very good job at testing things like this, which needs to be done.  If I had to guess the "burn-O-meter" will be the first thing the injector sparkplug gets installed on.  Data can then be compiled from those tests.  

On the subject of newer vehicles, you are correct that some of the engines are pretty much impossible to fit such a device into where the sparkplug goes.  Though some new cars come with direct injection now, which could open up new ideas for WFC's.  It isn't hard to find an old VW engine like Stan's, Irondmax has one in his garage now waiting to run on water.   Personally I don't think it is worth the headaches to deal with an OEM engine managment system.  I say leave current auto manufactures out of the picture.  If I was going to build water cars, I'd be using large motorcycle engines like what is in the Hyabusa.  Lots of room for crazy spark plug stuff.

Nate

If i had a set of water sparkplugs id cut holes in the hood of my car if i had to! :)

Hyabusas are fast!

What about a smart for2. 2 seater 600cc 3 cylinder engine?

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Not exactly formula one but its the smallest engine car i could find.

Oh it gets worse , a 624cc 2 cylinder engine. But at least its a four seater for those family days out.

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Hey check this out russ, I could see you cruising around in this one, plenty of room for cells and electronics.:D

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Quote from absolutelynobody on May 26th, 2012, 09:05 AM

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ABORT MISSION.... REPEAT.... ABORT MISSION....   LATEST INTELLIGENCE ON ATTEMPTED MISSION
SHOWS POSSIBLE STUNNING DEFEAT OF PLANNED OBJECTIVE   ABORT MISSION....  ABORT MISSION
....  STAND DOWN UNTIL NEW OBTAINED INTELLIGENCE CAN BE USED TO ENSURE SUCCESS OF
MISSION...                END MESSAGE
 
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Hello again. Second post.  A few thoughts to pass along to you big guy (Russ).  Sorry about the theatrics above, but I
wanted to get your attention before something very bad could possibly take place.  ( the above type message is used
by the military during hostilities/wartime to get vital information to command leadership immediately )  I watched your
most recent videos regarding the WFC Injector Assembly.  I don't have a lot of time anymore, so I will be very brief
(for me) and to the point.  Please do not take my writing style I am about to use as being rude, I just need to get my
points across quickly.   Here goes.  Russ, what are you going to screw that injector assembly into?!?!  Are you going to
to screw it into a 1960's or 1970's VW type 1 (beetle) air cooled engine like Stan did?  What point am I trying to make?
I would sure as hell HATE to see you and other people out there WASTE a lot of time, energy AND money to produce
a WFC Injector assembly that will not fit on perhaps 75% of the car engines on the road today.  My point is that I have not
heard one word as to what you plan on screwing that injector into for testing once it is done.  And unless you have a
horizontally opposed 4 cylinder air cooled VW engine like Stan was testing on, how do you know it will fit on what you
will be using as a test mule?  Have you even decided what vehicle/engine type you will be using for testing?????  The ton
of bricks should be hitting you right about now.  I may be wrong, but you could be trying to make something that won't
fit anything that you have, and buying/being forced to use something else for testing is just going to cost you more cha ching!!!
My personal suggestion is for you to get out your lathe again and get a piece of round steel and turn it down to fit the
outside dimensions of the WFC Injector dimensions.  You can MARK where the water fitting, the electrical ground connection, all
the stuff that would be hooked up to it, by using your caliper to get a very close mockup of what the finished injector would
look like.  Once again, just a shell.  And take that shell over to your car and pop the hood.  Take out a spark plug, and slide
your shell on down into the spark plug hole.  The heads on the engines today are a LOT different than what Stan was using.
As you know the plugs on most modern engines are not exposed.  They are located down, sometimes way, way down in
holes cast into the heads in a attempt to position the plug in the best possible place for combustion.  Now let me ask you,
does your mockup shell slide into your engines spark plug "well" ???  Now if it does, will the port where the water fitting
attaches to the injector clear the head??  Remember your shell will not have threads on it, so you will have to remember
that once the injector is screwed into the head the WATER PORT will be approximately one half of a inch (length of threads)
closer to the cylinder head. Does the water port still clear the head??  How about the ground connector??  One other MAJOR
THING to take into consideration is that the plug Stan made has "flats" machined on the side of the injector body so that a
combination wrench or a crescent wrench can be used to tighten the injector.  This area is located BELOW the water fitting,
so a socket cannot be slid down the injector to tighten it.  So with the injector sitting in the spark plug hole will you be able to use
a wrench to tighten it?? Now take out each plug one by one and check to make sure the injector will fit EACH spark plug hole
 correctly without any clearance issues.  Just because the injector fits one spark plug  hole correctly DOES NOT mean it
will fit the others.  Will the injector as Stan designed it fit on any engine that you have?? Stan made
his to fit the old VW engine, it's now more than twenty years later, and to say engine designs have changed would be putting it
very mildly.  You are more than likely going to have to change the design to ensure a fit on today's engines.  If you plan on
testing on a small engine remember the diameter and threads per inch are normally different than a automotive engine.
 One other thing while I am thinking about it.  Stan went to a lot of trouble to make a homemade injector circuit to fire his injectors.  
I hope you do not intend to reinvent the wheel.  In order to inject water at the correct instant for ignition/combustion to take place
use the on board electronics for fuel delivery  ( we're talking water here!!!) and ignition. If you have already taken all of these details
into consideration and have solutions for them please disregard this post. I just thought of another problem you are going to have.
 I am going to have to look into seeing if there is a solution readily available.  I am now out of time. You can believe me or not believe me,
you just have to believe that I am absolutelynobody.

These are all very valid points, although not a concern at the current stage of development.  One point that probably should be considered right away is at least being able to fit these prototypes into SOME engine.  Maybe the generator?  VW Engines are readily available and affordable, might be good for researchers all over because of that reason.  If the prototype plug ends up working, it'd be a shame that the last step in testing is would be the Burn-O-Meter.  However, being able to replicate results is the key to any experiment, and following procedure as precisely as possible is essential.

Seems to me like WFC Plug design is heavily adaptable because the most important portion is at the business end, everything from that point back could most likely be designed to fit into any engine without a problem, especially since the original coils wouldn't be needed anymore.  Suppose we'll cross that bridge when we get to it, though.

Either way, I am SUPER stoked about all this and can't wait to see someone holding a finished injector here in 2012!