The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #425, on November 20th, 2017, 03:53 PM »
ok bedtime reading...the more you read the book it makes more and more sense..

Atom Spin Power Unit = ASPU that's my name for this type of motor now.. lol



Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #428, on November 20th, 2017, 07:32 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on November 20th, 2017, 03:03 PM
Matt never explained why the "other"...  when you get a chance please do share your thoughts.
"Speed is Power!"

Remove the rotor and I can do speed in the nanoseconds if necessary.  Newman even states the commutator can be greatly enhanced; transistors will do that.


Low input power can be two things:  Low amperage or low voltage.  What do we know?  Current aligns the atoms; voltage pushes the gyroscopic particles out.  So I have two factors that need to be met for a solid state device:  I need just enough current to align the atoms and I need just enough voltage to push the gyroscopic particles out to where I can collect them.  I can trade mass for speed.

So what I need to do is take a very specific coil and run some current/voltage tests until I can determine the optimal values.  Then I push things, as fast as it will go.  What this should show me is the potential energy locked in the coil that is accessible given optimal parameters.

What Joe talks about all the time is E = MC2.  This formula says nothing about the rate of conversion.  All it says is how much energy you can expect to get from a particular chunk of mass.  I'm interested in the rate.  I want to know how rapidly I can harness serious measurable power from a fairly small piece of mass.  Obviously more mass equates to more energy, but I see nothing in Newman's work that mandates huge quantities of mass to get quantifiable results.  In fact, quite the contrary is true.  Newman is a mechanical guy and his motor is his expression of how to do this mass to energy conversion.  It's hardly the best way.  Instead, it's the way Newman had confidence in and it suited his purposes of demonstration.  I greatly suspect if he was more inclined to assemble an electronic unit, the prototype would have weighed far less than 140 pounds.

Anyway, if the principles are sound, there is no reason alternate energy generation methods cannot be employed.

Newman drones anyone...?


~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #429, on November 20th, 2017, 07:49 PM »
Matt, I'm or bored with that. and if i can build a unit with 140lb of copper..., prove it works by running that meter backwards... then ill have a 10,000$ check from you.. at that point we can go down the solid state path or speed.....  funny, you'll be funding your own research at that point lol ( i'm sure the wife will want a cut... lol)

hehe...

I really do agree that you can do this many many ways. Newman even states so as well.

so while you think hard about it. ill get to slaving away for us all... will get it built.

thanks for the update of thoughts.

~Russ

PS. dont think to hard... unless you have mastered Newman's work... I know you.. and you'll veer off in to left field so fast you'll plow through the fence and over the cliff...

id still like feed back on THIS from you... it need some refining but he explains it in the book... chapter 8. also pages 297-302 or there abouts

hydniq

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #430, on November 20th, 2017, 08:22 PM »
I agree with you russ. From my tests with little newman using a transistor switching works. You get good pulses to run the motor. But it's not the full on off spike you get from a Commutator .I think you want that full on and quick off.

Matt Watts

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #431, on November 20th, 2017, 08:36 PM »Last edited on November 20th, 2017, 08:45 PM
Quote from ~Russ on November 20th, 2017, 07:49 PM
id still like feed back on THIS from you... it need some refining but he explains it in the book... chapter 8. also pages 297-302 or there abouts
It's all in the little gyros.  They can only do certain things--have to play be the rules of the universe.

I mentioned re-guaging, a term used by Tom Bearden.  It seems Newman found this out too.  The makes/breaks/shorts.  You have to torque the gyros in the proper way in order to get them to refill their little buckets of energy.  Once this process is clearly translated from the mechanical to the electrical, then we're really off to the races.

Skip over to where Chris Carson talks and let's rethink how a transformer (and ball-bearing motor) works using the Newman's "teachings".  It's all mechanical right?  Two vortexes?  How about an infinite number of little gyroscopes...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKggql3aYkc


I think a transformer is a perfect piece of hardware to really get your head wrapped around how Newman's principals come into play.  This relatively simple device demonstrates the current / voltage ratios that are needed, specifically with a Tesla-type air core transformer.

My thought is:  If you're going to mess with Newman Technology, it might be good to understand how energy is taken out of a wire and also how to put energy back into a wire.  You get that down pat and pretty much anything is possible.

hydniq

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #432, on November 20th, 2017, 08:56 PM »
I hope this will help. Voltage Drop Calculator. http://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=338.6&voltage=120&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=1000&distanceunit=feet&amperes=.1&x=60&y=20 .if you put in 30awg 120 dc 1000 ft @ .1 a = Voltage drop percentage: 17.20% . if you put in 26awg 120dc 1000 ft @ .1a = Voltage drop percentage: 6.80%. so there is a Voltage drop: 20.64 on 30awg wire and a Voltage drop: 8.16 on 26awg wire. so I think maybe go with a bigger wire.

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #433, on November 20th, 2017, 09:07 PM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 04:29 PM by Cycle
I think now is a good time to revisit graphene-coated wire... graphene has ~100 times the electrical conductivity of copper.

My idea was a flat wire which we would run over one block of graphite to coat one side of the wire with graphene, then over another block of graphite to coat the other side of the wire with graphene. Then we run the wire through a lacquer dip to insulate it. This could all be done in one fell swoop, one after another, although the time required for the lacquer to dry would slow things down quite a bit.

The flat wire has a couple advantages... it winds more neatly, and it eliminates the 'gap space' of a round wire (better fill factor)... thus one can pack more flat wire into a given coil than one can round wire, making for a more compact coil. Planar transformers are typically 30% of the size and weight of a similar-power wire-wound transformer, for instance. They also have lower leakage inductance, and allow for better high-frequency coil ring-down than wire-wound transformers.

So a flat-wire wound coil would be smaller and would ring better than a wire-wound. Add in a graphene coating on the wire, and you're edging into superconductor behavior as regards sustaining the magnetic field after power-off... it'll ring a long time.

The voltage will experience extremely low resistance going into the coil via the top and bottom graphene coating on the wire, building the magnetic field quickly.

This drastically changes the time constant of the coil (the ratio of the inductance to the resistance).

Quote from http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2950.msg44290#msg44290
We can take advantage of the disparity between the time it takes to build the magnetic field, and the time it takes that magnetic field to collapse to push the rotor, rather than slow it down.

From the graphic above, we see that the magnetic field of an inductor builds to ~63.2% of maximum in 1 L/R time period, whereas it collapses to only ~36.8% of maximum in that same time period.

Ideally what we want to do is exploit the difference in time and energy between building the coil's magnetic field from ~63.2% to 100% (which would take 4 L/R time periods), and the time and energy necessary to collapse that magnetic field from 100% to ~36.8% (which would take 1 L/R time period). So ideally we'd be putting in 4 L/R time periods to increase the magnetic field by ~36.8% (from ~63.2% to 100%), then utilizing that magnetic field as it collapses in 1 L/R time period by ~63.2% (from 100% to ~36.8%).

Now, obviously that's not going to work for very long... you can't build up by ~36.8% (to 100%) and collapse by ~63.2% for very long before you're hitting 0% during the collapse. The coil on the next few go-rounds would work its way downward in energy until it only builds up from 0% to ~63.2% (because of the rotational speed which gets us that 1 L/R time period). The coil's magnetic field can't collapse below zero, and we can't easily vary the speed of the machine quickly while it's running to take advantage of the 4 L/R time period of building from ~63.2% to 100% (~36.8%), then extracting ~63.2% (100% to ~36.8%) of it in 1 L/R time period, so what we're actually doing when the machine is running is building that magnetic field in the coil to ~63.2% in 1 L/R time period, then collapsing it to 0% in 1 L/R time period before it can act as bEMF. IOW, we've found a way to get around the "hysteresis curve" of the coil.
So in effect, we're doing something like this (outlined in red... forgive my lack of artistic ability):

We're building to ~63.2% in 1 L/R time period, then collapsing the magnetic field all the way back to 0 in 1 L/R time period, doing away with bEMF.
Quote from http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/bulletin/08/nbsbulletinv8n3p455_A2b.pdf
In addition to the effect of the inductance in causing the current in a given coil to lag behind the electromotive force impressed at its terminals, there has to be taken into account the influence of the capacity between the adjacent turns of wire and the capacity of the various parts of the coil with respect to the earth. These capacity effects give rise to a phase angle in the opposite direction to that occasioned by the inductance. The resulting phase angle will, therefore, be in one or the other direction, according as the effect of the inductance or that of the capacity preponderates.

It is convenient, in so far as its effect on the phase angle is concerned, to regard the capacity as equivalent to a negative inductance.

For the ideal case of a capacity concentrated between the terminals of a coil, it is easy to show that the phase angle between current and impressed electromotive force is proportional to L = CR2 (where R, L, and C are, respectively, the resistance, inductance, and capacity of the coil), and the current lags or leads according as this quantity is positive or negative.

In the case of a simple bifilar winding, the capacity between the wires is uniformly distributed, and the resultant phase angle depends on the value of L = 1/3CR2, where C is the capacity which would be measured between the wires if they were entirely disconnected from one another.

According to this definition the effective inductance L' is connected with the measured phase angle phi (which may be positive or negative) by the equation {tangent phi = pL'/R}, where p = 2 * pi times the frequency, L' being taken positive when the current lags behind the impressed electromotive force.

In the case of low-resistance coils, the measured phase angle is positive and it is easy to show that the capacity effect is negligible. Since, however, the change in phase angle, due to a given capacity, is, as shown above, proportional to the square of the resistance associated with it, it is easy to understand that in coils of high resistance the capacity becomes the predominating factor.
A low resistance makes it easier to keep the phase angle positive, which makes it easier to ensure the current lags the voltage. As wire length increases, capacitance and resistance increases and the phase angle goes from positive toward negative, meaning you've got to pump current into the coil along with the voltage. In extreme cases, the current will lead the voltage, which is why it takes so long to build voltage in a very large coil.

Thus a graphene coating on the wire will reduce the resistive effects of the wire, which will increase the effective inductance of any given length of wire (see above regarding capacitive effects being analogous to 'negative inductance', offsetting the coil inductance). Thus we could use less wire length to get the same effect.


~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #435, on November 20th, 2017, 10:52 PM »
I totally got the water analogy. it all makes sense. video Wednesday...

ill have to watch the video  Matt posted after that to see how it compares.

so funny... pressure, it pushes out the field. only a tinny bit of flow is needed... and the more the turns the more the field adds... so even using litz wire will make more of a field

and the current and voltage can be balanced for the best results...

~Russ

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #436, on November 21st, 2017, 01:40 AM »
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It's all in the little gyros.  They can only do certain things--have to play be the rules of the universe.

I mentioned re-guaging, a term used by Tom Bearden.  It seems Newman found this out too.  The makes/breaks/shorts.  You have to torque the gyros in the proper way in order to get them to refill their little buckets of energy.
correct matt, the electrons are little buckets of charge that already have a little bit in. They get filled up by the magnetic moment energises them and ejected out of the atom by the pressure, because they are now full buckets there magnetic moment increases there spin.
They impart this spin to other atoms or electrons outside of there mass they came from. so they lose a quantised amount of charge..i.e. the level that the bucket filled up by.

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #437, on November 21st, 2017, 01:51 AM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 01:55 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_moment
see:
Magnetic moment and angular momentum

cycle. good deep thoughts there. that's moving more in to the "solid state" version of this...
Solid state will still need the mass if I'm correct. because its the amount of electrons that you harvest the quantised energy from.
but increased frequency will produce greatly enhanced harvesting.
but the magnetic moment will slow the time in which spin can happen.
push the boundaries and see

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #438, on November 21st, 2017, 09:01 AM »
Quote from sonnet on November 21st, 2017, 01:51 AM
Solid state will still need the mass if I'm correct. because its the amount of electrons that you harvest the quantised energy from.
but increased frequency will produce greatly enhanced harvesting.
but the magnetic moment will slow the time in which spin can happen.
push the boundaries and see
Somthing gtells. Me the same about solid state.

However as cycle is pointing out. If we can get the same effects with even more atom Alighnment then its possible to scale down to a point. But unless you over come your losses.  Its going to be hard.

This is with electromagnetic devices.

If you move to full solid state and u master what Newmans work you can get it to work on a tinny scale. Again. Newman even stated this.

~Russ

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #439, on November 21st, 2017, 09:12 AM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 09:23 AM
By the way. Those work out balls called the gyroball basicaly explain how they get there momentum. Back.

Is it falls back down it spins up in the same way thses gyro balls do. 

This video is a bit out there bit funny and some what explanes the function.  Its just that simple me thinks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kzEPxemxu_E

~Russ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyroscopic_exercise_tool

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #440, on November 21st, 2017, 02:10 PM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 02:28 PM
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Is it falls back down it spins up in the same way these gyro balls do.
Not quite russ but your getting there, the visual qualities of those gyro balls are great when we want to imagine the electron as a particle.
but if you don't keep that gyro ball moving in a circular motion they lose their gyroscopic spin and stop.

Our electron has a magnetic moment, it behaves like a tiny bar magnet. it is like a tiny generator, think more like a homopolar generator. It will create a angular spin on the electron when a magnetic field is near to it, Now I wonder , what could cause a large (relative to a electron) magnetic field....ooh maybe a 500-1000v charge and a tiny current. get it.
The electron spin sky rockets and the voltage (pressure) springs the electron up and out of the atom, the electron is still entangled to the copper atom as we gave it spin not a quantised charge (the quantised charge has to be within a certain band of energy). by not having a change of quantised charge it is still entangled to the atom it left.
That spin now in the field of superposition will eventually (in a nats eye of time)bump into another particle,(the uncertainty principle applies here)the bump creates drag just like you putting your finger into that gyro ball...as it slows it loses spin and the quantised charge it held (the little bucket of charge is given away that is the quantised energy,  because the spin slows through a range of frequencies and one will match the criteria of the band in which a electron loses charge) giving it a lower energy state, this lower energy state makes the electron return to its family of the atom group it left. we never removed the voltage from the wire 500-1000v is still there and the electron spins up again but not before grabbing a quantised chunk of energy back from the other electrons in the group shell.
Off it spins again at great speed and is thrown out by the voltage creating a magnetic field in the wire and the pressure from the voltage throws it out again....repeat millions of times as long as the voltage is kept in the circuit....and there you have it in a atom shell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_magnetic_moment
read second paragraph down and think of my explanation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superposition_principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_level

But I am glad you and matt are seeing this problem from my particle has a physical spin aspect...it makes sense.
footnote the electron doesn't have to lose its quantised charge in the field, it can just lose spin and regain the spin when its in the wire.

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #441, on November 21st, 2017, 03:38 PM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 03:47 PM
good explanation. ill ponder this more, Matt also has been thinking about this stuff deeper. mechanical.
my build plans are coming together.

i will post them as i get closer to the correct dimensions.

100lb on each 1/2 coil.. 200lb total on one set... this set will be 30awg, the second set will be 38awg. some amount of wire in parall.

This is what Newman did... and it makes scene....

more to do, but that's a glimpse. ~Russ

chuff1

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #442, on November 21st, 2017, 03:48 PM »
I cant help but think there is more to this than just mass.  If it was nothing more than
increasing the amount of copper then why not hook up a bunch of copper busbar
together.  Serious thought needs to go into the self capacitance of the coil being
the main storage of energy instead of the inductance.  If that is the case then
the solution would be to get alot of flat copper bands and run them in parallel to
get the most capacitance per foot.


sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #444, on November 21st, 2017, 04:17 PM »
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Serious thought needs to go into the self capacitance of the coil being
the main storage of energy instead of the inductance.
A inductor of that length will turn into a capacitor chuff as i understand this.

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #445, on November 21st, 2017, 05:01 PM »
that's correct, it will turn in to a capacitor more so than an inductor.

Chuff, if you really dig deep in to the book you will see what its not that easy.

you will also see why in my next video, it kinda explains it as well.

~Russ

sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #446, on November 21st, 2017, 05:23 PM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 05:56 PM
ok a  transformer for matt.
you should be able to see from my previous post how the electron leaves the wire, but the iron core carries a total of 3 free electrons to play with and they can be easily prised from their iron valence ring. so
take your primary and it induces a magnetic field into the core so that the atoms are aligned and the electrons from the copper have imparted their super fast spins to the electrons of the iron. They are all spinning the same way for copper electron spins as the iron electron spins. so far so good.

The iron electrons have the same super spins and then the current in the primary changes. bang.
the atoms in the primary copper wire has now aligned 180o from where it was at somewhere near the speed of 'C'. The poles of the spinning copper electron have flipped. The gears of the copper spinning electrons mesh with the gears of the spinning iron electrons and drive a electron drift (in a iron toroid) no current of any magnitude is created as the voltage is so small (eV only) but the iron electrons have been forced around the circuit of the iron toroid. (ed refers to this in his permanent magnet holder as keeping the magnets in perpetual motion. It's an electron drift without current). In our transformer the electron drift will only go so far, but this will be enough for them to travel across the secondary winding when the following happens.
Remember we have not given the iron electrons any quantised energy so they are entangled to the atoms from where they came.
There is no voltage keeping them out of their orbits by that I mean, keeping them out of the iron, and also there is no pressure stopping there return to their original atoms so they flow backwards like being pulled backwards on a spring, but  and here's the trick.
The magnetism (atom alignment) in the iron is still collapsing from when the primary current changed so the electrons that are springing back on their  return is making them flow backwards over a oppositely magnetised (aligned) atom spin,  this repels the iron electrons with there great spin out of the iron and the field lines cut the secondary.
when you work with a quantum entanglement this theory works.

You must think of this as electron drift, with no current.....so don't mix the two.
think of the electron drift as longitudinal in side the iron only until the spring back.


sonnet

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #448, on November 21st, 2017, 06:07 PM »Last edited on November 21st, 2017, 06:11 PM
You see in Ed's pmh which is energised DC the windings of the coils creates this electron flow when turned of in the iron. the electrons are now circulating inside the iron only and this is aligning the atoms holding a magnetic alignment of the iron, break this alignment and you will get a minute amount of voltage out to power a small bulb... Actually if I remember back I'm sure you did that russ.
this electron drift in the iron is like a hydromagnetic pump, but it's the electrons that are circulating because of the super spins of the free electrons.