Sonnet. On the drawing I have "the magnet needs to extend past the coil"

This is what your saying

Also its noted that the drawing is not that way.

??

~Russ

Related to our talked subject.
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No I'm saying that inside the coil the magnet has to be shorter than the inner diameter of the coil, so that when it is turned to face the open end of the coil (parallel)
1) the obvious it spins but
2) when parallel the outer field particles of the coil flux does not enter the mass of the magnet itself. to stop the spin particles hitting the mass of the magnet thus interfering with where the electron has to return to/leave from on the spring from the magnet.
thought analogy...a boxer keeps at arms length because he cannot do work/ force when being hit in a torrent of punches from his opponent.

in the pdf the magnet distance when in line with the red line, keeps the coil field density & strength away from the opposite centre line of the magnet.

I see. I'll have to think about that.
~Russ

You see a permanent magnet also has a positive atom charge in the middle of it so it also has a skin effect of the electrons (in my theory)...when your coil field hits that your electrons are regauging the magnet...all this is also on the assumption the coil field is the strongest and will push the magnet field way out of shape on the one side....but its not one side is it...its going to be both sides...the permanent magnets field will be squeezed to distortion.

Just so we don't forget.

Its not my understanding that magnetic feild lines DO NOT ever pass each other.

So there for everything is com pressing at the edges... 

So everything os interacting at those places. (As if there still attached to there atoms.)

???

~Russ

thought analogy
Take two permanent magnets, one extremely strong and push like poles together
you will struggle until you reach a point where the one field grabs the atoms of the others magnet, then it can hold together....can

Also to prove my point a permanent magnet can be seen to have a centripetal and centrifugal spin on each and both ends
the inner spin is because of the positive atom charges in the centre because of the electron skin effect
see how my theory fits with all of this.

What your seeing as a naturalising effect. 

The density of the feild is at a max. (Squashed) 

But. There both still repelling.  Or to look at it differently. There holding each other by repelling. Lol I understand.

Any how. I'll think about it. As I keep re reading.

~Russ

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But. There both still repelling.  Or to look at it differently. There holding each other by repelling. Lol I understand.

We both agree there.

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What your seeing as a naturalising effect.

So inadvertently you're stating no obvious work being done? if so we agree....it adds nothing.

Now all this is well down the problem list but can have a bearing on getting the most from the motors torque. so don't let it sway you.

Last analogy,
matt refered to it as a efficient pulse motor, but take a bedini and bring the rotor tooo close to the core and it wastes energy.
or put too strong a permanent magnet on the rotor and it also wastes energy....
It still works though
I'll say no more..

Quote from sonnet on November 24th, 2017, 02:41 PM

We both agree there.So inadvertently you're stating no obvious work being done? if so we agree....it adds nothing.

Now all this is well down the problem list but can have a bearing on getting the most from the motors torque. so don't let it sway you.

its like 2 water wheels going in the opposite direction. they are exerting a force on each other but nothing is moving... there is still "UN obvious work" being done...

magnets, there is a balance. yes. Newman states for every 40lb of copper use 20-30lb of magnets. ( atoms)
he uses mass strictly. However I'm sure if we look at there strength its a better way of doing it. but we are in Newman head right now... so again dont think to hard, just try to comprehend lol

~Russ

so i need help proofing this sheet.

me and magnatron have been working on this and now need others to check our formulas.

everything on the top round bobbin is good ( or should be) so dont worry about that.

we only used it as a reference to build the square bobbin.

so please look this over very carefully, and check the formulas for one wire size only, all of them are the same for there wire size.

ill be using this to get the proper amount of wire, so do check the formulas please. each person should do it so we can catch any mistakes.

the inductance is a guess and not quite right but its just for a reference any way. also the parall amp turns is most likely not correct according to my measurements on the litz wire. but that's OK, again those are a reference.

the things i care about most is :

the bobbin calculations are correct,
the wire length is correct,
the parall wire calculations are correct,
the resistance calculations are correct.
the weight is correct.
the outer size for the coil is correct.
the length are correct.

pay attention there is mm and m and lb and inches all in there...

again I will be using this directly to make the first unit.  so the more eyes agree theses are correct the better ill feel lol

thanks all!

IF YOU CHANGE ANYTHING HIGHLIGHT IT IN RED and tell me what and why you did it... so i understand whats going on lol

~Russ
PS. attached is the wire data info we used. heavy build...

just visual for you...
100 lb coil... 1/2 the total first coil

each magnet is 2x2x1" :shocked:
~Russ

again, if we just master what he teaches. most all of our questions are answered...

~Russ

so... ceramic... or neos...   or other?

ceramic's field is more spread out, but a lot weaker.
neos are very strong but more localized.

I know I'm just randomly asking. however i'd like some input...

( I'm sure ill see it in the book tonight lol )

" for every 40lb of copper, use 20-30lb of magnets"  but... I would think the strength would play a big roll..

~Russ

Newman might have done his homework. He may have been more right than wrong and studied overlooked details and inconsistencies.
Yet he was driven to a cause. He had some returns from royalties of his earlier plastic coated weights patent. He chose to keep going in
the hope that the widespread knowledge would eventually result in recognition and reason. Yet he did not go forward and independently
produce the machines without a patent. This is not necessarily because he wanted to deny the world access but because he had put in
time and effort. So had many others.

Still he had many rejections to explore and fund his project. Some governmental branches were not tasked to generator breakthroughs.
Most of the department heads at universities ignored or did not seriously assess the technology. Yet for some of the appeals he made
there is not much excuse.

One reply says if only he spoke in the language of academics they might look at it. Weak considering in the case of cold fusion full accredited academics were speaking in their language and they got the similar treatment. 

The big picture is if it worked the world would be far better if it was used. This is the vision top leaders should have not the narrow minded.
The immediate benefit far outweighs the splitting of hairs on nebulous theory.

     

The proofs far out weigh the reasons why it never got out to us all..

This is why I'm building it. And making sure I'm 110% sure I know how to make it right. 

And that's why everyone else here is to make sure we all learn. And agree what we see. 

As I stated here for some of my proofs.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3128.msg46841#msg46841

~Russ

Talisman

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One reply says if only he spoke in the language of academics they might look at it. Weak considering in the case of cold fusion full accredited academics were speaking in their language and they got the similar treatment.

I guess the most relevant question is... if you had a working device right in front of you and someone said I don't believe it works would you care what they believe?. Well no that is absurd because you know as a fact it does work and their beliefs are completely irrelevant. Why so many seem to be so concerned with what others think of them and their beliefs seems a little superficial in my opinion. If we can make this a reality then that is reality and they will have to deal with it no matter what they believe. Reality is reality is it not?.

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Talisman
I guess the most relevant question is... if you had a working device right in front of you and someone said I don't believe it works would you care what they believe?. Well no that is absurd because you know as a fact it does work and their beliefs are completely irrelevant. Why so many seem to be so concerned with what others think of them and their beliefs seems a little superficial in my opinion. If we can make this a reality then that is reality and they will have to deal with it no matter what they believe. Reality is reality is it not?.

100% true,

but there is another side to this... if your the only that believes your device works... then its good for know one.
There for there should be a small amount of care.

however, that care should not effect what you do or how you act. because at some point it will prove its self. with out you... as this is with out Newman... at least not his physical body. 

However, because he documented it and shared it with us and now all we now can continue his work.

as i do... open, free, and non considered of others thoughts of negativity... press forward for what you believe in. just try not to leave others at the bottom of the mountain.... for if you do. all will be lost...

~Russ

i find theses things funny and also so true.

Newman knew we all would just read this stuff and then go out thinking we knew what we read... lol love it.

Your poll question...

See page 461.

Sick to the plan man.  :-)

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as i do... open, free, and non considered of others thoughts of negativity... press forward for what you believe in. just try not to leave others at the bottom of the mountain.... for if you do. all will be lost...

Without a doubt the most important statement of this entire thread.
 Try not to leave others at the bottom of the mountain

Newman talked about his machine so much, but failed to bring but a handful of people with him on the mountain path.
He did leave the path mapped though for that I'm grateful.
Another man walked the mountain path before newman, the mountain path was actually written in his name. when you learn his name you will see he was the mountain path.
We do in deed stand on the shoulders of giants.

We all have a duty to share this knowledge, We all may reach a understanding of the mountain path at different times but as soon as your sure, pls share....this will honour the path makers and will be the only way this knowledge comes into the hands of the human race.
Regards

BTW, I wonder if any folks are still around here with functioning machines...?

There is still an old pickup on the drive, curiosity beckons