my 1 to 3 has no bearing on the image 123

with the conventional generator he has perpetual motion, thats why he is a clever man he now makes a statement like that.

Do you get it guys....a conventional generator on his motor which can produce immense torque can easily turn a generator and produce the voltage he needs to run on in the start segment, even if it only output 12v he could transform it up because his generator would have reciprocating n/s magnets a/c/ pulses through a transformer

Do you see the genius

There are even more secrets to newman but I must keep you grounded in making this machine even looking at his commutator improvement has added more confusion into this process....lets walk first guys...

I cannot see how people can say he scammed when they see his genius.
We must all learn and tell others...first we learn.

@magneton
As you like questions in pictures lol, I added mine on the picture, except 3 advancements ...no room....put them above..
Regards

Yes Sonnet. This is why I want to focuse on the coils.

I did some math and came to the conclusion that the coil,  voltage,  and windings fit the bill. Per his 140lb motors.  Voltages used and current drawn. 

I'm going to be re reading the first 12 chapters or so and get a refresher on the fundemnetals.

Then dezighn the coil per voltage and current and turns and geometry..

Then then rotor (might start here first) 

Then after its built. I will worry about the best way to power it.

~Russ

I will elaborate on the new commutator as I see my hypothesis as.
The new com has two segments per coil and he has four coils,any one of the four coils gets its voltage distributed across two contactors in parallel to an individual coil. only two coils get energised at the same time. two contactors to reduce wear and or increase voltage.
These two coils that are energised at the same time would be the ones at 180⁰ to each other so they mesh with the spinning particles see pg 65.

the segments Do Not go completely around the commutator because the magnets orientation to the coil is not cutting through the flux with any benefits at the poles of the magnet...look at early pics on page 65 figure 22g1 and g2.
In the case of the original coil commutator on big eureka the old com segments don't go completely around also see vid.

@ Russ
Yes we all need to see the original in our minds first, no good will come initially of talking about improvements.
Although you are going to build a improvement motor....understand the original

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some questions are:
is he still reversing battery polarity every half revolution?
the caps eat the spark but is he still shorting the coil?
(seems to me like the best way to get a good pulse)
if you don't short the coil(s) how do you get a significant pulse?

So many questions lol...its hard to keep up..
the reversing battery polarity is so that the spins mesh on the other coils, but I haven't drawn a stage by stage rotation on the armature for a advanced motor.
He definatly shorts the coil...
Guys what he has done from original motor to advanced motor is like going from a single cylinder  single spark plug combustion engine to a four cylinder engine Twin spark engine.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz2nMJ8iHGQ&t=1080s

Also in that vid he tells you his secret of the generator....he said he's running it from the mains but the mains meter don't turn...because his pulse motor/generator is generating a back spike which he captures in a cap and runs big eureka once it's started.
In reality he didn't need to connect the transformer to the mains, he is a honest man...he's showing you...to make the point. from 4:40

Just be certain you get things right.

absolutely matt, my views are just that..my view of how i've understood the book...I've waited a long time to be among people who will debate and question my views. I can see i need to sit back for a while and allow others to formulate the opinions about how they read the book. hence i stress to others to understand the basics...without that this can be a mind twist...
Are there steps we can assign to prove stages....you guys are the electronics guys what has been said that you disagree with that can be tested.
What methods do you use to record and quantify changes and log results, is that applicable?

This is why I'm going back to chapter 1 and re reading it due to a an over view now know. (After reeding the book) 

So I will be starting like its all fresh. Looking over my notes from the first read.

Also spend all day making room so I can at least keep this thing in the shed...

It was alot. More work than your  think to clear that small space. Lol. You could not even open the door when I started.
~Russ

more info for your reference

Let's start with this.  I'll work the numbers based on a conservative RPM of 240.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz2nMJ8iHGQ&t=1080s

From 26:00 to 27:01 he is talking about the big spark it had and that there is no big spark anymore and again about those three scientific principles so, what if the one of three principles is the reduction of the spark.
He talks about that he can reach any speed he wants but that was not possible before because of the spark.

240 revolutions per minute is 4 revolutions per second.  We will attempt to get the current almost all the way through the motor coil in 1/2 revolution.  So we have 4 RPS which is 250 milliseconds.  Cutting that in half is 125 milliseconds.

Light travels 300,000 meters per second.  With an approximate velocity factor of the wire insulation set to 80%, the propagation speed will be reduced to 240,000 meters per second.  Let's shorten things by 1/8th (125 milliseconds) to get a distance of 30,000 meters, 30 kilometers.

Dude, that's a lot of wire.  I'm not even sure one can buy spools of wire longer than 1000 meters; you would need to spice 30 1000 meter spools together and that's a single strand.  Think about 20 strands or more.  Starts to look a lot like a nightmare of wire.

I think I would go for much more accurate balance and attempt to run the motor at 2400 RPM.  That would at least cut the total wire length down by a factor of 10.  Three kilometers of wire almost starts to sound doable.

ha heres one for you...

"electricity is a non compressible fluid."

I propose what Newman states.  "hydraulic effect."

my view on it though.

Current is a non compressible fluid ( held with in the copper its self) you could call them the atoms them self's. current never gets out of the battery.

Voltage IS compressible... like a gas.  you could call this the electrons... They can be compressed... and they DO move out of the battery. via pressure. ( more negative, more the electron density and the higher the pressure also.) (more positive the less the density and more "negative" pressure. )

this makes A LOT more scene.

so the current cant do anything but align the atoms in the copper.. so only a little is needed. The smaller the wire the less is needed.
But the voltage can "push" out the field like pressure in a rubber pipe. so more pressure the more expansion.

this also work's better with the idea of the water hammer effect...

yeah go ahead...  tell me my flaws now... it sure feels SPOT ON...

more thoughts that seem not quite spot on...

so its possible to compress the voltage as a pressure wave in free space. But the current can not be so. but the atoms can be aligned in the copper like a wave propagation.  This makes current and voltage "the speed of light" in free space ( vacuum) ? but with in solids it can be slowed down.

Its also possible pressurize a pipe Instantly ( voltage) But if the pipe was closed at one end then you only get the current ( flow) to go in one end and it would seem that the current went in but did not make it through the loop...

So the same as a pump pumping gas, you can pump all the gas in to the system ( with a closed end) , pressurizing it.( voltage expanding the pipe)   Current ( flow) will be flowing through the pipe but only at one end. if you stop the pump...   the pressure will flow back through the pump. current went in and back out but never made it out the other end...
 
Also the pressure building up would act like the CEMF….  Counter pressure…  ??

like the first switch on cycle acts like a closed pipe til the first 1/2 cycle of the voltage... Then the current tries to start...

oh man... ok

you might want to think about what i'm saying here for a while... its a deep thought that Newman also tries to explain.
~Russ

Quote from Matt Watts on November 18th, 2017, 11:33 PM

240 revolutions per minute is 4 revolutions per second.  We will attempt to get the current almost all the way through the motor coil in 1/2 revolution.  So we have 4 RPS which is 250 milliseconds.  Cutting that in half is 125 milliseconds.

Light travels 300,000 meters per second.  With an approximate velocity factor of the wire insulation set to 80%, the propagation speed will be reduced to 240,000 meters per second.  Let's shorten things by 1/8th (125 milliseconds) to get a distance of 30,000 meters, 30 kilometers.

Dude, that's a lot of wire.  I'm not even sure one can buy spools of wire longer than 1000 meters; you would need to spice 30 1000 meter spools together and that's a single strand.  Think about 20 strands or more.  Starts to look a lot like a nightmare of wire.

I think I would go for much more accurate balance and attempt to run the motor at 2400 RPM.  That would at least cut the total wire length down by a factor of 10.  Three kilometers of wire almost starts to sound doable.

30,000 meters,

question. did you add in the inductance? this will also add in the velocity factor will it not?

30AWG =  338.496 ohms/km  so 10,153.98 ohms for 30,000 meters.   339.18 ohms / lb  = 29.93 Lb 
38AWG =  2163 ohms/km       so 64890 ohms       for 30,000 meters.   13859  ohms / lb  =    4.68 lb

some one can check my math...

I was calculating getting 40 x 5 lb spools of 38awg, and making a 200lb coil. 40 in parall... i'd be about there according to your math above... if i did my math right... ??

~Russ
http://www.ken-gilbert.com/techstuff/AWG_WIRE_TABLE.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_wire_gauge

Here's a little something to consider, the inter-winding capacitance, or negative inductance.

This is a scope-shot taken through the 1000's of turns of my NST secondary.

Yellow trace is input pulse; purple is output.  As you can see the capacitance lowers the duration to a mere 2.9 ns, at least for this test. 

When you run the numbers one should get a much larger delay, but as you can see the voltage uses the windings as one big capacitor, pretty much eliminating the expected delay.  This is probably something we need to get our heads wrapped around.  These coils don't act like a transmission line with a scope.  I wouldn't expect them to as motor coils either.

Quote from ~Russ on November 18th, 2017, 11:39 PM

ha heres one for you...

"electricity is a non compressible fluid."

I propose what Newman states.  "hydraulic effect."

my view on it though.

Current is a non compressible fluid ( held with in the copper its self) you could call them the atoms them self's. current never gets out of the battery.

Voltage IS compressible... like a gas.  you could call this the electrons... They can be compressed... and they DO move out of the battery. via pressure. ( more negative, more the electron density and the higher the pressure also.) (more positive the less the density and more "negative" pressure. )

this makes A LOT more scene.

so the current cant do anything but align the atoms in the copper.. so only a little is needed. The smaller the wire the less is needed.
But the voltage can "push" out the field like pressure in a rubber pipe. so more pressure the more expansion.

this also work's better with the idea of the water hammer effect...

yeah go ahead...  tell me my flaws now... it sure feels SPOT ON...

more thoughts that seem not quite spot on...

so its possible to compress the voltage as a pressure wave in free space. But the current can not be so. but the atoms can be aligned in the copper like a wave propagation.  This makes current and voltage "the speed of light" in free space ( vacuum) ? but with in solids it can be slowed down.

Its also possible pressurize a pipe Instantly ( voltage) But if the pipe was closed at one end then you only get the current ( flow) to go in one end and it would seem that the current went in but did not make it through the loop...

So the same as a pump pumping gas, you can pump all the gas in to the system ( with a closed end) , pressurizing it.( voltage expanding the pipe)   Current ( flow) will be flowing through the pipe but only at one end. if you stop the pump...   the pressure will flow back through the pump. current went in and back out but never made it out the other end...
 
Also the pressure building up would act like the CEMF….  Counter pressure…  ??

like the first switch on cycle acts like a closed pipe til the first 1/2 cycle of the voltage... Then the current tries to start...

oh man... ok

you might want to think about what i'm saying here for a while... its a deep thought that Newman also tries to explain.
~Russ

I think the problematic part of the question is the word "electricity", which is not a useful modern description of phenomena surrounding electric charge and electromagnetic fields. Charge is a phenomenon that is invariably coupled to matter. Electromagnetic fields are a phenomenon of the vacuum. Both are connected in a very deep way trough quantum mechanics. Ultimately both matter and electromagnetic radiation are different expressions of the same quantum field that permeates all of the vacuum, but there is virtually no way to express that connection properly on the level of macroscopic "electricity". What the vacuum does is to allow matter to pass trough it. Matter can carry charge, moving charge is "electricity", but it's ultimately not the charge that transports energy, but it's the electromagnetic field that is linked to it, and that field can transport energy without the need of charges, at all, but the latter is usually not called "electricity", which makes the word "electricity" of limited use to describe proper electrodynamics.
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/178831/can-electricity-flow-through-vacuum

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@russ

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some one can check my math...

first calculation you started with 3 decimal places so
30 awg = 338.496 ohm/km        10,154.880 ohms for 30,000 mtrs     weight correct
       

Quote from Matt Watts on November 18th, 2017, 11:33 PM

240 revolutions per minute is 4 revolutions per second.  We will attempt to get the current almost all the way through the motor coil in 1/2 revolution.  So we have 4 RPS which is 250 milliseconds.  Cutting that in half is 125 milliseconds.

Light travels 300,000 meters per second.  With an approximate velocity factor of the wire insulation set to 80%, the propagation speed will be reduced to 240,000 meters per second.  Let's shorten things by 1/8th (125 milliseconds) to get a distance of 30,000 meters, 30 kilometers.

Dude, that's a lot of wire.  I'm not even sure one can buy spools of wire longer than 1000 meters; you would need to spice 30 1000 meter spools together and that's a single strand.  Think about 20 strands or more.  Starts to look a lot like a nightmare of wire.

I think I would go for much more accurate balance and attempt to run the motor at 2400 RPM.  That would at least cut the total wire length down by a factor of 10.  Three kilometers of wire almost starts to sound doable.

I'm so sorry but i have to correct you.

Light does not travel 300 000 m/s.

It travels 300 000 000 m/s or 300 000 km/s

Wikipedia

I mean it in a good way :)

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It travels 300 000 000 m/s or 300 000 km/s

Well spotted Tavote, I had glanced over that and i myself never picked up on it...

good to see people reading the post and interacting...this is what I like to see. I'm sure matt and russ do too.
I also see that time the current gets halfway around the coil as being cut down as well for other reasons. so  I dont think its as drastic as it looks...for the copper amount to use...