https://youtu.be/h4LH-ADNCjQ

This is a bit crazy... 

https://youtu.be/phM7g-m3w1Q

800 rpm? 

~Russ

Need to read the thred still.. ~Russ

cool

Yeah I'm not lacking induction any more ...  I see good things in the near future. 

https://youtu.be/wbzaR2aJ4eo

1cm gap no prob...

~Russ

So Russ, would you say your magnet is inducing a dielectric field between the windings of your coil now?

And to know the dielectric field strength, here's a little reference:
https://sciencing.com/calculate-voltage-spark-gaps-8776030.html

Which is estimating approximately 30,000 volts for a 1cm gap.

Why is this spark so intense?

Geometry.

You are sweeping one side of the windings with one pole of the magnet from top to bottom AND the opposite side of the windings with the other pole from bottom to top.  So the polarity is no longer cancelling as it would be when the magnet is on the outside of the coil.  Induction is augmenting the voltage polarity all the way through the coil except for the sides near the axis of rotation; if you could get those also, the voltage would nearly double again.

Looks like it's much more efficient when inside the coil.

A game changer. :cheerleader:

Not so much "efficient" as it is effective.  The coil isn't fighting itself and cancelling the fields.

The next step is to see if Russ can harness this induction to not only charge (augment) the source dipole, but create huge amounts of torque in the process.  That will be:

Quote from haxar on March 10th, 2018, 01:31 AM

A game changer. :cheerleader:

My hunch is Russ will do it, but then controlling this beast will take some more work to keep it from self destructing.  Once that is figured out, order some wire boys, it will be time to build yourself a machine.  :-)

Looks like it's moving in the right direction... keep up the good work gentlemen.

That's Right Matt, 

Geometry...

Induction in the some direction  as the applyed...

Now I can see why newman could run his motor from 6 d size batterys.  This thing will probably run on one...

~Russ

Bonus points for who ever makes it run off none.

Nice work Russ, nice toilet flange on that coil!

Matt

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Question for onepower:  To the best of your ability describe the difference between something rotating and something with a "tendency" to rotate?

Tendencies, desires and intentions are not attributes I would impart to physical objects and are traits relating more to people and other living things in my opinion. Nature seems to follow it's own set of rules and it is not my goal to dictate terms to it rather to understand it for what it is and work with it.

According  to  a model I'm testing  against Newman theory,  the  BEMF  generated by the  coil  should  be:

--> δA/δt ~ 6.000 V.s/m
If  the height  of  the coil is  , say about 0.5m ,  that  makes a measured pressure of:
--> V ~ 3000 V.s

....

Nice work Russ with the magnet inside the coil.

That is some powerful sparks coming from the coil.

Keep up the good work.

Quote from onepower on March 10th, 2018, 10:58 AM

Tendencies, desires and intentions are not attributes I would impart to physical objects and are traits relating more to people and other living things in my opinion. Nature seems to follow it's own set of rules and it is not my goal to dictate terms to it rather to understand it for what it is and work with it.

Not a problem onepower.  The answer I was looking for is:

Of the two situations I posed above:  The first one has angular "velocity" and no change in the angular "velocity".  The second one has no angular "velocity" and yet has a change in angular "velocity".  I quote "velocity" because this term is related to speed and speed is related to time of which we have none.  All we have as a basis is spin and change.

Still not seeing it are you?

Remove time from your vocabulary, think and compute in terms of change.  A term that's been coined is Simultaneous Sequential.  Remember it, you'll see it again.

So, I've been trying to figure this out, what is the best way to maximize the amount of induction in a coil from a magnet in terms of what angle should the magnetic field lines be intersecting the coil? I've been looking at alternators and how their coils are set up, been trying to get my hands on a 3d model of the stator of one to examine it further but haven't really found a model with the details I'm looking for.

In an alternator the DC coils have a N,S,N,S repeating magnetic field pattern around the rotor and then the stator has a kind of special coil configuration that I think I understand but its still eluding me. I wish I had one to take apart and just look at... I have an induction motor from a fan but I'm not sure that uses the same coil principal as an Alternator or AC generator would...

In short, whats the best kind of coil design for a stator for maximizing induction from a rotor with a N,S,N,S repeating magnetic field around it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyyi8zjnboI
~Russ

Quote from Piero on March 10th, 2018, 11:50 AM

According  to  a model I'm testing  against Newman theory,  the  BEMF  generated by the  coil  should  be:

--> δA/δt ~ 6.000 V

....

At what input voltage? 

I see you got amps / time
 so in that voltage dose not play a roll per say. 

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on March 10th, 2018, 05:50 PM

At what input voltage?

It  does not depend on input voltage . It is  the potential  which could be 'extract'  from  the whole mass of coil, in this case 145lbs.

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I see you got amps / time

This is based on the fourth equation of Maxwell:

E = μ.vxH -δA/δt -ΔΦ
A is  what is called  in physics nowadays, the Potential Vector, but is is not used in the formalism, it doesn't appear in the four equations of E.M which  are  in the  school books.  The  units SI are in V.s/m.
Dont't confuse with Amp Ξ Coulomb/s , it  measures the quantity of 'electricity' per time unit that  flows through a circuit.

I use only the second term of right member, which is Faraday's/Maxwell electrotonic punch due  to  pressure on a copper dielectric.

This is a model I   test   based on the Maxwell equations, but here  I make the hypothesis that the dielectric   is  also  the matter, here copper.

δΕ = Δ_tΦ.m

where Φ is  the  scalar potential

so  we  see  that  the  more  the  copper mass  the  more  energy  we can  capture

Quote from Apoc4lypse on March 10th, 2018, 01:17 PM

In short, whats the best kind of coil design for a stator for maximizing induction from a rotor with a N,S,N,S repeating magnetic field around it?

Nice motor setup however it is a shame they used standard bearings. Not to get too far off topic but it is easy to remove almost all the bearing friction. Take the ball bearing and remove all the grease, wash it out then loosen up the tolerances by spinning it up while applying an abrasive powder. Wash out the abrasive then apply a drop or so of light machine oil for lubrication. Now the trick... mount a permanent magnet above the shaft on each end and adjust the distance closer until you hear a very slight "click". This means the PM field is now supporting the entire weight of the shaft removing almost all friction because a magnetic field has no friction. The shaft should now be floating within the bearing and the race simply acting as a guide.

I had a similar setup on mostly passive magnetic bearings and a single flick with my finger would cause the 20lb rotor shaft to rotate for around 8 to 10 hours. Something to think about.

As well much of my research and experiments with friction free devices and undampened oscillations came about when reading articles about Nikola Tesla. He claimed a bell in vacuum could vibrate for months and his LC circuits could oscillate for days. Do you know how long our LC circuits oscillate for?... maybe 1 second.

hmm cool, I guess I need to just start building different configurations though, that sort of idea won't really work with my design having the magnets pass inside the coils as my rotor is going to have a large diameter but I might be able to try and get the magnets to pass partially inside of the coils depending on how big I can make them given my constraints... so for construction of that it looks like acrylic sheets for making a base and to organize the coil layers, cool.

You can get ceramic bearings with looser tolerances (although you have to specify what tolerances you want when ordering)... they spin very easily. Put them in a plastic bag with some tungsten disulfide and shake the heck out of it, then (wearing gloves) take the bearing out and spin it while applying some downward pressure on the inner race (put your finger inside the bearing and roll it across a surface while pushing down hard). That'll attach the WS2 to the ball bearings and to the races. Wipe the WS2 off the outside of the bearing to keep your hands from getting coated with WS2.

You won't need any oil, there'll be almost no friction.

If you do get some WS2 on your hands, it's tough for ordinary soap to get it off... I've found ZEP Round One will take pretty much anything (grease, belt dust, WS2, etc.) off, leaving your hands completely clean. I get the 1 gallon container and put it into a D-1000 dispenser. A little goes a long way, so it lasts for quite awhile.

Guys, the torque this geometry has...   You could have frozen grease in the bearings and she'd still run like a deer.  A couple thousand volts input and it will twist your arm off if it doesn't throw the magnets completely off the shaft.

The trick then becomes matching the LC of this motor with the LC of an external reactor.  Once that's done...

Yeah, things start looking up.