Quote from ~Russ on February 27th, 2018, 10:07 AM

There are a lot of options for vacuum tubes.

Currently, using relays we are limited to the switching time of the relay. In fact in my testing so far the turn off and turn on time change. as the spring tension versus the magnet field pulling the contact over is different.

I had an idea about that, in relation to what I'm toying with...

Quote from Cycle on January 30th, 2018, 08:27 PM

Now, some of you may be asking, "But Cycle, those MOSFETs are going to blow with the voltages this thing is making! It's spiking up into the megavolt range when the MOSFETs open!"

True... and I've thought of a solution. A solenoid-driven variable-spacing spark gap.

Envision a quartz tube with spark gap electrodes on each end. The tube is evacuated to a high vacuum. One of the electrodes can slide upon a polished metal rod. Outside the tube is a ring magnet connected via connecting rod to a solenoid.

When the solenoid is energized, it slides the magnet back. The magnetic attraction to the sliding electrode causes the electrode to slide back, increasing the gap between the two electrodes. And as we know, a strong magnetic field in the vicinity of the spark gap will tend to quench the spark quickly, so the ring magnet serves a dual purpose.

When the solenoid is deenergized, a spring pushes the whole assembly forward, closing the spark gap distance.

The solenoid on and off times can be controlled by the same 555 timer circuit as is used now, through the same MOSFETs that are used now.

The way I envision it working is that the sliding electrode will be touching the other electrode most of the time, and will slide back to open the circuit momentarily, just as the MOSFETs are closed most of the time, and only open momentarily to create the pulse needed to make this system operate. Thus there shouldn't be much heat buildup.

It's the caveman version of a MOSFET. :D

Quote from SqueezingSparks on February 27th, 2018, 02:22 PM

Like I said, if what Newman said is true then everybody should be using ferrite cores in their coils for a "free" stronger magnetic field generation.

Think about the reasoning behind why air-core transformers exist. That'd lower the resonant frequency of the coil and make it impossible to get the fast rise and fall times of magnetic field flux this setup needs in order for the cycle to work. Air has very little hysteresis, whereas a ferromagnetic core has much greater hysteresis.

Further, with a ferromagnetic core, the coil's inductance is affected by the current it carries. Not so much for an air-core. Saturate a ferromagnetic-cored coil and watch inductance drop toward zero... a sure way to blow this coil.

Thanks Cycle, as i was saying in one of my posts, the caps add resistance to the moving magnet via lenz. so if we used a spark gap to charge the cap, we can have the same effect that i want but also have added capacitance. let the HV jump the gap when its ready to connect to the cap. then use the caps charge to run the next cycle.

again trying to stay away from putting anything across the coil. to keep it an open ended coil. this will add in our no lenz effect i have been talking about.

think about an H bridge but with relays and spark gaps.

I could not find my spark gap in my piles of stuff... Gurr. But that's OK, ill test it eventually.

~Russ

Russ, you can also create a spark gap that is pressure-triggered. As in any internal combustion spark-ignition engine, when compression ratio increases, spark voltage must increase in order to get a decent spark.

The same thing can be done in a spark gap... lower the pressure of a noble gas to trigger it, raise pressure to quench it. It'd have to be a pretty small volume if you want fast switching, though.

Or, if you design it just right, you could set it up such that the spark itself heats up the noble gas, quenching the spark... then the only thing you have to work out is how fast you remove the heat (lowering pressure of the sealed spark gap container) to retrigger. That'd probably be pretty slow, though.

Vacuum tube for the spark gap.

The inert gas might not be predictable with erratic high voltage without a safety pressure release and also unsafe without precision.

Is the contact brush width equal to the spark gap width? That would be important for the actual time of the arcs duration in a cycle. The arc duration would be shorter and more frequent with increased RPM.           

Russ

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The on time is about 1.7ms for my relays. and the off time is about 8ms.
so i'm limited to about 10 ms cycle time. i can get faster using resonance of the relay bounce and " bounce" the contacts back and forth to make it faster. but i'm stuck with that frequency.

I have encountered this problem with relays as well and most experimenters know this technology tends to destroy electronics. I came up with a novel solution which was to use two relays with a staggered timing function so as one relay is closing the circuit another is simultaneously opening it. Thus the actual on/off time is the difference between the closing and opening relay times which can have any value down to nanoseconds.

It is also interesting to note most free energy patents show at least two switches in the circuit and most people just assumed the second switch was simply to turn the circuit on and off. Which is why every single detail must be examined and tested on the bench with as few assumptions as possible. Consider the possibilities... we now have two mechanical switches capable of nanosecond switching in which one or both could also act as a variable spark gap. I have tested this on the bench and in fact two switches with a staggered timing function can do what few other switching technologies can and the effects they produced prove this point.

it should also become apparent that a simple commutator could have two brushes wired in series producing the same effect as two switches and produce nanosecond switching times. The only addition is a single wire joining the brushes forming a dual brush series switch.

The devil is always in the details...

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I came up with a novel solution which was to use two relays with a staggered timing function so as one relay is closing the circuit another is simultaneously opening it.

4 Solid State Relays coming to play with :)

https://youtu.be/-A74GJ7g7aY

you had me at high voltage h-bridge  :)

Relay based high voltage h bridge ;)

Yes,  I moved it from the back of the van to the table with my helper riley...

~Russ

https://youtu.be/7bEoBPG4Iwo

Quote from ~Russ on February 27th, 2018, 04:52 PM think about an H bridge but with relays and spark gaps. That's actually a really good idea... you can independently control each 'switch' of the H bridge, giving you the ability to short the high-side, short the low-side or open all the switches and let the magnet coast. Here's a quenched spark gap used in radio transmission back in 1916. It might give you some ideas: https://earlyradiohistory.us/1916qnc.htm Have you thought about using UV LEDs to trigger a noble gas filled spark gap? Set the gap so its withstand voltage is higher than the highest system voltage. Use the UV LEDs to ionize the noble gas. The only problem is that it's a noble gas filled spark gap... once it breaks down, the current flow will cause a cascade. So you have no way of turning it off after you've turned it on... you have to wait until voltage falls below the cascade voltage. What we really need is a Gallium Arsenide photoconductive switch... you can design it for whatever withstand voltage you need, it can handle thousands of amps, it can switch at picosecond speed, and you can control both on and off. The drawbacks are that you need a slice of GaAs (or silicon), enough high-power (1 - 3 watt) UV LEDs to cover the entire conductance region and a focusing lens to focus the light on the conductance region. As long as your voltage doesn't exceed cascade voltage, as soon as you turn off the LEDs, current flow stops within picoseconds. If voltage is above cascade voltage (>~60 kV/cm), the current flow will create its own charge carriers, and it acts like a conventional noble gas filled spark gap... you have to wait for voltage to drop below cascade voltage for current flow to stop. The advantage of a semiconductor photoconducting switch is that you're not frittering energy away on heat, light and RF like in a spark gap.

lets get this party started, all hands on deck,

re read chapter 9, express your thoughts on the first 1/2 of that chapter. there is some very deep thoughts with that part and I'm adding some scope shots to let us think about that.

~Russ

batt yellow, coil pink, blue current on - batt, green current " in" coil ( center tap)
magnet swinging no time sync

same probe placement as last post, see the current and voltage 90 degrees out of phase when the coil is opened... 
dont for get that's the current ( green trace) in an open ended coil... measured at the center tap...
also note that one end of the coil is still connected to the batt, the other is open.
~Russ

So uh, I'm a bit late to this party, trying to catch up on the thread, at reply 100 of 1400, lmao

I love how he explains magnetic fields as gyroscopic effects from current, I was thinking about this the other day trying to understand the mechanics of what an electric current actually is and what a magnetic field is and how they are related when it comes to mechanical motion.

I am also fairly new to your porject. You hooked me with your Search for Answers series, #14 most of all. I have only seen your YouTube channel, and just started into the live videos. Please forgive me if this has been done and I haven't found it yet.

Seeing that last video with the two coils side by side makes me wonder how the second coil would alter the current performance? Would you set up the magnet and comutator on the first coil in a way that proforms predictably? Then set the second coil on the opposite side of the magnets and see what kind of power you get. How much energy will come from coil 2? How much more will the first coil draw from the batteries? Will it slow to a stop? So many more questions.

I get that you have a lot of tests to do and wouldn't be shocked if this didn't make the list. At the same time, you never get an answer to a question you don't ask.

Keep aiming for the highest.

Welcome Mike,  Honestly 2 coils might not do anything we want.  Becuse the induced voltage and current is in the wrong direction with the second coil. 

The first coil was suppose to be done long ago.  So richard sent his (well he drove it across the country)  (thanks richard for be ing amazing)

So actually the second coil might not do much for us. 

However we will sure play with it. 

The magnet in the coil is best for max Induction.

With the new coil I can I put the Magents Inside now... However not rotate but rather move up and down Inside. 

This was another way newman did it. 

~Russ

I have  seen   J.W Newman  story  and  was  very     sad  about   what  was imposed  to him.

Anyway ,  when  I  saw  the  end  ,  I was  very  surprised  by  his reaction  .

Certainly , as  a believer   ,  I would  have    praised  Jesus Lord   for  sending   me  , even  at the end  of  my life ,
the   man  that  he  was  waiting  for  all  his  life .

And  what ?
He   knocked  him  out   of  his  house  with   very    deep  angry  and  I  told  myself :  hey,   this  christian   , since 26 years,  hasn't  yet   forgiven   what   arrived  to  him !

It is  as  if  the  Lord  come  to my house  and I wouldn't  recognize  him.

Also,  the  fact  that  he  didn't  release   his  plans   to  someone  else  for  as  he said  'save humanity'  ...

This   let  me   in expectations and  a feeling of deception   because  I  thought  he   was  reallly   sincere...

Ok so I was going to read this whole thread but I'd rather just ask, there's 57 pages here some replies with information and others just ideas being bounced back and fourth...

What exactly are you trying to build? I mean I know its related to being a motor that outputs more than that which is input, but whats the basic outline of it?

Quote from Apoc4lypse on March 4th, 2018, 04:05 PM

... but whats the basic outline of it?

TBD

The research and the work goes on.  Hopefully at some point, what you see in one of Russ' future videos will be self evident.

Reading my first post I see that I missed one bit. I was hoping to see coil one as the driver and the second as a stator. Or vice versa depending on how they are wound. I admit I still have to rewatch a few video to fully understand how everything is powered. My mind is still set in traditional mode.

I have seen bits of videos with the magnets rotating inside of the coil but this is the first I have heard of oscillating inside the coil. How much travel are you looking for? How fast? I am sure I will see in an upcoming video.

Keep aiming for the highest.

Quote from Piero on March 4th, 2018, 10:56 AM

I have  seen   J.W Newman  story  and  was  very     sad  about   what  was imposed  to him.

Anyway ,  when  I  saw  the  end  ,  I was  very  surprised  by  his reaction  .

Certainly , as  a believer   ,  I would  have    praised  Jesus Lord   for  sending   me  , even  at the end  of  my life ,
the   man  that  he  was  waiting  for  all  his  life .

And  what ?
He   knocked  him  out   of  his  house  with   very    deep  angry  and  I  told  myself :  hey,   this  christian   , since 26 years,  hasn't  yet   forgiven   what   arrived  to  him !

It is  as  if  the  Lord  come  to my house  and I wouldn't  recognize  him.

Also,  the  fact  that  he  didn't  release   his  plans   to  someone  else  for  as  he said  'save humanity'  ...

This   let  me   in expectations and  a feeling of deception   because  I  thought  he   was  reallly   sincere...

all i can say is , do you have any elders?

I can say from looking at my grandma and grandpa and how they are now, vs how there were 40 years ago, and realizing what they have been through, and everything like that that i can not judge one in there position.

if i were me i might be the same way he was after going through what he did.

so the end result is that we can not judge because we really dont know the entire story and what he went through. we can only hope that that attitude was from a lot of things that make a person bitter Ect.

also the godly side of Joe was i bit mixed for the average christian. he states a lot of things that are quite harsh in the view of a christian.

in the end we can only see what he gave us and what he did.

We should not Judge. as the bible says. as we just dont know...

~Russ

Quote from mike s on March 4th, 2018, 11:20 PM

Reading my first post I see that I missed one bit. I was hoping to see coil one as the driver and the second as a stator. Or vice versa depending on how they are wound. I admit I still have to rewatch a few video to fully understand how everything is powered. My mind is still set in traditional mode.

I have seen bits of videos with the magnets rotating inside of the coil but this is the first I have heard of oscillating inside the coil. How much travel are you looking for? How fast? I am sure I will see in an upcoming video.

Keep aiming for the highest.

here is the one i was talking about.



you can see the spring. some where there was a video of it running i thought.

you can see its the same coil as this one gave to the patent office:



however the magnet was on the outside, in a different configuration.

here is a another photo attached.

~Russ

Quote from Apoc4lypse on March 4th, 2018, 04:05 PM

Ok so I was going to read this whole thread but I'd rather just ask, there's 57 pages here some replies with information and others just ideas being bounced back and fourth...

What exactly are you trying to build? I mean I know its related to being a motor that outputs more than that which is input, but whats the basic outline of it?

the best thing you can do is read the book, we are trying to build what he describes in the book and what he built.

you can get a shorter version by reading the attachments here on this post:
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3128.msg48274#msg48274

~Russ

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Piero:

I have  seen   J.W Newman  story  and  was  very     sad  about   what  was imposed  to him.

Anyway ,  when  I  saw  the  end  ,  I was  very  surprised  by  his reaction  .

Certainly , as  a believer   ,  I would  have    praised  Jesus Lord   for  sending   me  , even  at the end  of  my life ,
the   man  that  he  was  waiting  for  all  his  life .

And  what ?
He   knocked  him  out   of  his  house  with   very    deep  angry  and  I  told  myself :  hey,   this  christian   , since 26 years,  hasn't  yet   forgiven   what   arrived  to  him !

It is  as  if  the  Lord  come  to my house  and I wouldn't  recognize  him.

Also,  the  fact  that  he  didn't  release   his  plans   to  someone  else  for  as  he said  'save humanity'  ...

This   let  me   in expectations and  a feeling of deception   because  I  thought  he   was  reallly   sincere...

Well the device definitely gave him a challenge with a lot of responsibility. Newman did not have the power to give orders he opted to try for support.
You can fault him personally for the decision that came at a personal cost in time and money. Was he holding out for a deal or did anyone take him up on the offer? Was the deal not good enough for them?

When it comes to virtue signalling a few might be virtuous. Was the public virtuous or only hopeful if someone else came along in the back of their mind? The virtue and attitude seems a moving target.

First the attitude it is not worth trying cause it probably is too hard to do. When something is done it is not believed. It is not believed not by the standard of objective truth but by attitude. So Newman has to prove by their standard to win acceptance. If he does their standard it then must be a trick. Does it matter what they think? It does if it hampers distribution or dampens investment.

What do people want and expect?

In one video Newman argues with a guy who is skeptical yet all for supporting a successful clean electricity generator. He wants Newman to do everything, invent, set up a machine he can plug in to the wall (or not good enough), and sell it in his local big box store. He knows Newman can't do all that alone but he won't do anything until Newman has done everything. Then when Newman has done everything it might not satisfy him.