The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1575, on April 5th, 2018, 09:56 PM »
Quote from ~Russ on March 31st, 2018, 01:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeTM32GB0r4

Matt answer the question.

ANY... and also ______ (hint, same as Manny but more)
~Russ
Russ, in Scenario #4, you should try putting:
Coil Open End (Connection 2) -- Small Inductor -- Diode -- Ground
Coil Open End (Connection 4) -- Small Inductor -- Diode -- Ground

My thinking is that doing so 'biases' the coils to a minimum of zero volts, in other words, any time the magnetic field drives voltage below ground, electrons will be 'sucked in' from ground, where the diode will trap them. The next reversal of the magnetic field's ring-down will thus force that current out of the coil, while at the same time allowing a longer ring-down time.

Now, once you've got it 'ringing' in this fashion, use the 'child on a swing' concept to give that ringing magnetic field a slight push just as it comes out of pulling electrons from ground and the small inductors are 'spinning down'.

Piero

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1576, on April 5th, 2018, 11:00 PM »
Quote from namirha on April 1st, 2018, 02:47 AM
Fundamentally wrong in its basic premises, and wasteful in its practice,
man's modern concept of the universe must be torn down and built again on truth as plainly told in light.
I  agree  with  that  , but   we  can  retrieve   what  we lost ,  Lt  Cl  Bearden   show  us  the   path:

Potential  is  the  nature  of energy   in  the  vacuum
this is the same  for  we  as    experimentors

So  what  is  the  Potential   Newman  can  get   from  the   coil :

copper  as  a diamagnet  can    thank    the  max  ionization potential  - where  Ohm  ' law   valid  :

-->P = N . ΔΦ . qe
where  qe = 7,72 eV   is  Cu  ionization potential,  we will be taken only one  elementary charge .

--> N =  m /  d    \[ Mol \] x  Na ,  where  d =  8,96  [g.cm-3  [/]  and  Na = 6,02. 1023  is  Avogadrp  number.

I f  we  take  m = 100 kg
 P =  105 g /  63,5 g  =   Mols  ~ 1575  mols 

we deduce the  number  of  totals  4s1   charges  on  the  coil : 

 Ne =   Na x 1575  ~ 1036  eV !!







Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1578, on April 8th, 2018, 10:05 AM »Last edited on April 8th, 2018, 12:23 PM by Cycle
Quote from Piero on April 5th, 2018, 11:00 PM
I  agree  with  that  , but   we  can  retrieve   what  we lost ,  Lt  Cl  Bearden   show  us  the   path:

Potential  is  the  nature  of energy   in  the  vacuum
this is the same  for  we  as    experimentors

So  what  is  the  Potential   Newman  can  get   from  the   coil :

copper  as  a diamagnet  can    thank    the  max  ionization potential  - where  Ohm  ' law   valid  :

-->P = N . ΔΦ . qe
where  qe = 7,72 eV   is  Cu  ionization potential,  we will be taken only one  elementary charge .

--> N =  m /  d    \[ Mol \] x  Na ,  where  d =  8,96  [g.cm-3  [/]  and  Na = 6,02. 1023  is  Avogadrp  number.

I f  we  take  m = 100 kg
 P =  105 g /  63,5 g  =   Mols  ~ 1575  mols 

we deduce the  number  of  totals  4s1   charges  on  the  coil : 

 Ne =   Na x 1575  ~ 1036  eV !!
That would be the total energy required to strip the valence electron from every atom of Cu in a 100 kg coil, yes... that's the in toto ionization energy (ionization potential is a deprecated term) for that size coil... but that doesn't imply that we're somehow gaining energy from doing so. We're supplying energy to strip the valence electrons.

Newman supposed that the copper was somehow being converted to energy. It's not. What's happening in the Newman motor is purely a quantum mechanical phenomenon... steal electron orbital momentum (putting them slightly below their natural ground state energy), convert it into electricity, shunt the electricity away, leaving the magnet no other alternative to restore electron quantum state than to pull energy from the quantum vacuum (which at this point has a higher energy than the electron quantum state), use that shunted-away electricity to push the rotor. It is literally converting the orbital momentum of the magnet's electrons into rotational momentum of the magnet itself.

The reason electrons don't usually go below their 1s orbital (their ground state) unless they're driven there by external influences is because at that quantum state, the inflowing energy from the quantum vacuum exactly equals the energy being thrown off via virtual photons (magnetism), as is the case for all invariant mass matter (what physicists have taken to calling a net zero emission... forgetting that they're tacitly admitting there is emission, and therefore absorption from the quantum vacuum). Boyer showed this, NASA showed this, Haisch and Ibison showed this,

In essence, we're inducing a sort of Lamb Shift (but rather than a quantum vacuum fluctuation inducing the Lamb Shift, it's the interaction of the permanent magnet and the coil) which causes electron energy state to be lower than its normal ground state would dictate. That energy is shunted away, and the magnet is forced to make up the energy shortfall of its electron's quantum state by extracting energy from the quantum vacuum.
Quote from Cycle on February 21st, 2018, 06:44 PM
Copper is not being transformed into energy, except for the very small (1/c2 * the amount of energy transferred) amount inherent in every energy transfer.

Copper has a total binding energy of 568 MeV, or 9.02 MeV / nucleon. That 568 MeV is the amount of energy you'd need to provide to break that atom down into its constituent components. The copper atom has a lower energy level than its constituent protons, neutrons and electrons, so you need to provide energy to break it up.

The atomic mass of the protons, neutrons and electrons unbound is 63.52152 u. The copper atom is 62.91367 u. This means that when each copper atom was formed, the formation was exoenergetic.

So just where are you getting the energy to turn those copper atoms back into its constituent components (which you'll need to do prior to unwinding it back into energy), and to run the machine?

And just where are you getting the anti-protons (to address just one of the above components of the copper atom) to unwind the protons back into their constituent quarks? You'll need anti-protons, you know... Fermion Number Conservation is a thing, after all.

And even then, you'll only be breaking the proton down into its constituent quarks (2 up, 1 down)... you'll need anti-quarks to break them down into energy. I assume you have a ready supply of those, too?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-RR8zO4ubQ

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1579, on April 8th, 2018, 06:26 PM »
So... cycle,

Do you think that if we dont let the high voltage fly back to extreem mesures that we wont see the effect?

~Russ

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1580, on April 9th, 2018, 12:45 AM »Last edited on April 9th, 2018, 01:33 AM by Cycle
As I outlined in my recent lengthy reply in the David Yurth thread, at extreme out-of-equilibrium conditions, the Laws of Thermodynamics can be reversed. Per Bak and Ilya Prigogine wrote about this. So yes, I believe if we keep energy levels or fluxes at lower regimes, we'll see the local equilibrium hypothesis confirmed, whereas at extreme energy levels (or extreme flux changes) we'll see much more interesting behavior.

The question is, "What constitutes 'extreme' in this case?".

For some instances of self-organization (such as crystallization or thermal convection), the energy levels (or difference in energy levels) involved don't seem to be all that extreme, yet self-organization of randomness does occur.

I guess the other question would be, "What constitutes too extreme?".

Remember, we don't want to steal too much electron orbital momentum or you'll go past the magnetic hardness limits of the magnet and cause demagnetization.

Cycle

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1581, on April 9th, 2018, 12:57 AM »Last edited on April 9th, 2018, 01:13 AM by Cycle
Darn it, Russ.... now you've sent me down the GoogleHole of 'Nonequilibrium Electrodynamics'. :thinking:

And right after I got done using Gauss's Law, Stefan's Law, the Stefan-Boltzmann Law, Kirchhoff's Law Of Thermal Radiation and the equipartition principle to nullify the collisional radiationless transition hypothesis of CAGW on another site... my brain doesn't context-switch very well.

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Gotta sleep soon... I contracted some sort of virus at work, hit me like a ton of bricks about half an hour before end-of-shift, one moment I was fine, and the next I was hot and sleepy. I've spent 35 hours of my weekend asleep... I've been awake for only 10 hours and I'm already sleepy again.

namirha

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1582, on April 10th, 2018, 04:15 AM »Last edited on April 10th, 2018, 04:28 AM
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Most of these inventors got their successful effect (and possibly erratically) when they were struggling with inferior, usually old, usually corroded materials. Actually, the more inferior, the better. The more contaminated/doped, the better!

The moment you wire up your circuit with good copper wire connected between the battery or primary source and any kind of load including the distributed circuitry loading itself, you can forget about overunity.
You will lose it in the copper, after the first 1.5 x 10-19 second!

Think of a really good conductor such as copper as an essentially linear material. Linear means energy conservative. Overunity can only be done with a highly nonlinear effect. So your "conductors" have to be made of nonlinear materials. In fact, they have to be made of degenerate semiconductor material. For the type of circuitry we are talking about, the copper has to be doped and then made into "doped copper" wiring. You also have to utilize the primary battery only to potentialize a collector (secondary battery/source), and then use this secondary battery source to conventionally power the load while also killing itself.

http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3128.msg49173#msg49173

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUeGX3hNpU

BlewMe Fuels Organically Grown Run Testing
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LprLpU0JBg

under water arcs with carbon rods
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5hkFxdT9nY
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Graphite is the most stable allotrope of carbon. Contrary to popular belief, high-purity graphite does not readily burn, even at elevated temperatures. For this reason, it is used in nuclear reactors and for high-temperature crucibles for melting metals. At very high temperatures and pressures (roughly 2000 °C and 5 GPa), it can be transformed into diamond.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotropes_of_carbon

FRACTAL
highly nonlinear effect
i want the bad contact and arcing
...https://youtu.be/z49pn_OVHLE?t=9m40s




overunitydotcom

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1586, on April 13th, 2018, 06:24 AM »
Okay Russ, well did you use Top Dead Center TDC to reverse the coil current ? Play with the settings of the rotor position versus coil where you reverse the coil current. It must not be TDC , but probably 30 degrees or more before or after TDC...Also better just use FL tubes in series with ceramic caps across the coil instead of the spark gap.You should then really see more and bigger and longer back current spikes....Many thanks. Regards, Stefan.

overunitydotcom

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1587, on April 13th, 2018, 06:25 AM »
So with Not  using TDC , but a different angle where you reverse the current , the motor will run slower,  but the back current spikes will increase as it will then run more in the generator mode... Very important. ..

So don't optimize for fastest speed but for largest Back current spikes.

overunitydotcom

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1588, on April 13th, 2018, 06:38 AM »
Hi Russ, first try to get this big Back Current spike from your machine. just with a mechanical graphitebrush<->copper commutator and a FL tube across the coil, so you will get this staircase current backspike.. ( Comes from the negative partial resistance of the FL Tube, when it flashes)
Also you must not reverse the Coil current at TDC but offset for an angle of about 30 to 60 degrees I guess, so it does not run at full speed, but lower but will produce this big long lasting back current spike, where in this scopeshot you can not see the normal input current,
as it is musch too small for this amperes/div display setting of the scope...
( The scope heads might have been reversed connected in this scope shot from the book, so it is into the positive direction..
normally it goes below the ground line...)

Hope this helps...

onepower

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1589, on April 13th, 2018, 08:01 AM »Last edited on April 13th, 2018, 08:04 AM
overunity.com
In fact a carbon brush is a special case and it acts like a normal switch when the circuit is closed conducting an electron current. However the brush also acts as a frequency generator/modulator when the brush tension or pressure is low. You can touch a carbon rod to a copper plate and you will hear the point of contact hissing, you will see parts of the tip turn incandescent and you can measure a high frequency signal generated by the contact interface within the current.

The carbon brush in itself may act like a classic threshold detector and when the electron current reaches a determined threshold conduction momentarily ceases then reestablishes itself. Thus the brush tension, current and voltage can modulate the period, frequency and magnitude of the current running into frequencies at several hundred kilohertz.

Now we could suppose that if the carbon brush generated a signal or frequency in itself outside the context of the commutator section conduction and if this frequency corresponded to any series or parallel inductance then we now have the conditions for parametric resonance within any section within the circuit loop.

Generally speaking it is very easy for the researcher to miss this phenomena if they are not paying attention more so if they do not actually test real circuits at the bench. For this reason there is no substitute for hands on experience at the bench. Imagine that... a HF threshold dependent signal generator hidden within a simple contact brush.

overunitydotcom

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1590, on April 17th, 2018, 03:11 AM »
You are right @onepower...

@Russ,
did you already show how your optoelectronic commutator is wired up in a circuit diagram ?
How did you wire up the sparkgap and the flat cap ?
Why are your scope shots missing these RF Bursts during switching ?
Where are these bursts ??

Checkout my old page also with scope shots and circuit diagrams here:

http://overunity.com/newman2/

Especially this one, where I also had quite huge Back current spikes:
http://overunity.com/newman2/myspike1.jpg

There are also my circuit diagrams:
http://overunity.com/newman2/newman1.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/newmcirc.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/scheibwm.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/pinub.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/mvdreh.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/mewirk.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/lheatub.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/gesdreh.gif

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

Piero

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1591, on April 18th, 2018, 06:28 AM »
I have   corrected   the  formula   giving   the  magnetic potential  for   a  copper  coil :

-->  P =  N. ∇ψ . Q   Q=4
      H = 1575.N. µB  = 7 Amps

factor  4 because   the  last   atom copper  eon   is  at  quantum level  4  ( 4s1 )

Aether     flows  through   atom  4  times   the  energy   as   it  takes  for  levl 1  (  Hydrogne  )

Take  care   of  the  multiplicator  due to    Tesla   resonance ,  that  could  blow  up  the  coil  !

Piero

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1592, on April 18th, 2018, 08:44 AM »Last edited on April 18th, 2018, 08:49 AM
The  formula  simplifies  happily   to:

->> H = 6.Q.Lq ,  Lq being quantum level of  conductor

for copper Lq = 9/4  which is almost  2

Q  is  the  quality   factor of  resonance ,   I  suppose  it  to  be   fixed  at   1


the coil  is  a  1 Tesla  mag field but  for Newman's  I have  seen   100 T
so  this   could  be  350 Amps !
be careful



~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1595, on May 1st, 2018, 03:37 PM »Last edited on May 1st, 2018, 03:40 PM
More to do..

I warped the coil with some plastic from old monitors... I have know idea what its made of. its just to protect the small wire...

Thats 10awg. 8awg and next is 6awg. Adding another x amount of lb. This is for testing the similar methods Newman did on his big coils.

a lot of splicing. theses are leftovers from long pulls from jobs ago... 

I totally see why Newman loved his duck tape now lol
~Russ

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1596, on May 1st, 2018, 03:46 PM »
Quote from overunitydotcom on April 17th, 2018, 03:11 AM
You are right @onepower...

@Russ,
did you already show how your optoelectronic commutator is wired up in a circuit diagram ?
How did you wire up the sparkgap and the flat cap ?
Why are your scope shots missing these RF Bursts during switching ?
Where are these bursts ??

Checkout my old page also with scope shots and circuit diagrams here:

http://overunity.com/newman2/

Especially this one, where I also had quite huge Back current spikes:
http://overunity.com/newman2/myspike1.jpg

There are also my circuit diagrams:
http://overunity.com/newman2/newman1.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/newmcirc.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/scheibwm.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/pinub.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/mvdreh.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/mewirk.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/lheatub.gif
http://overunity.com/newman2/gesdreh.gif

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.
I have been using the commutator as of late.
The spark gap is in series with the cap across the coil.
The FR is suppressed by the cap and spark.
thanks for the links, i will check them out for sure.

I have been getting the shop together. so finally getting back at it.

~Russ

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1597, on May 2nd, 2018, 12:57 AM »
Well its done. With a 1.5v AAA batt i can rotate that magnet quite well. Although its only 1ohm its about 65-70lb of copper. I weighted it to be 75lb but thats with the coating...

Good stuff. Looking forward to testing this.

~Russ

That is one crazy coil...

~Russ

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1598, on May 2nd, 2018, 10:44 PM »
Well i got current and i got voltage... now to mix them...

More description later but basicaly green is current on shorted coil. The big wire coil...

Blue and yellow is input...

Purple is across the spark gap on 30awg coil

~Russ

overunitydotcom

Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
« Reply #1599, on May 3rd, 2018, 12:52 PM »
can you draw up a quick circuit diagram manually, how you have setup now all the coils, so we can see what traces were measured where at ?
Do you now get the big spikes that Newman had ?
Many thanks and great work...
Unfortunately I broke my hand last weekend in a bicycle accident, so I need to go to hospital tomorow again...damn..
Good luck on researching this further..
Regards, Stefan.