"Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"

~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1150, on January 17th, 2017, 12:43 PM »
Quote from Ris on January 17th, 2017, 12:40 PM
the fact is      without any doubt  you use 50 000 w for one radio 
so is it really no matter from what source comes the energy for the cell
yeah sure BUT, we are talking about less than 2A here... with 12v max.

so not to bad to split water...

any way its the thinking we are needing to understand :)
~Russ
 


Matt Watts

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1151, on January 17th, 2017, 08:43 PM »
This little demonstration by magpwr shows what I'm thinking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQb6oyRXMrY

Starts out with high voltage and steps down to what visually appears to be pretty high current.  While shorting the copper tube though, current draw of the oscillator doesn't increase.  This is my point about transmitting energy versus running it around in a loop.


Webmug

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1153, on January 21st, 2017, 05:38 AM »Last edited on January 21st, 2017, 05:40 AM
Based on my post (see above) getting the voltages balanced.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.msg42127#msg42127
======================================
Chokes:
  L4:=1218.8e-3; C4:=108e-12; R4:=76.7;
  L6:=1093e-3; C6:=96.85e-12; R6:=70.1;
coefficients:
  L4/L6;
  C4/C6;
  R4/R6;
coefficients:
  1.115096066
  1.115126484
  1.094151213
======================================
~webmug

~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1154, on January 24th, 2017, 10:22 PM »
Quote from Webmug on January 21st, 2017, 05:38 AM
Based on my post (see above) getting the voltages balanced.
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.msg42127#msg42127
======================================
Chokes:
  L4:=1218.8e-3; C4:=108e-12; R4:=76.7;
  L6:=1093e-3; C6:=96.85e-12; R6:=70.1;
coefficients:
  L4/L6;
  C4/C6;
  R4/R6;
coefficients:
  1.115096066
  1.115126484
  1.094151213
======================================
~webmug
interesting post webmug,

should one attempt to get theses values? 

say, have you done this calculation on don's measurements?

thanks for posting!
~Russ


Webmug

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1156, on January 26th, 2017, 05:43 AM »Last edited on April 6th, 2017, 04:11 AM
Quote from ~Russ on January 24th, 2017, 10:22 PM
interesting post webmug,

should one attempt to get theses values? 

say, have you done this calculation on don's measurements?

thanks for posting!
~Russ
edited: 01/30/2017
@russ,
The coils inductance/ capacitance Don has measured are not the values on SRF but on (100,120,1k,10kHz) but yes I used them for the model.

Don also wrote that he only measured one coilpack and he has seen the coilwinder Meyer used and he wrote that he expected the coils on the other coilpacks would not have the same exact values. So my conclusion is that there is a L,C,R ratio/factor/coefficient  to match the coils for balanced voltages. It should work on higher turncount coils (for higher voltages, Stan mentions). Stan wrote about coil "voltage" coefficients also for the Re which makes the EPP possible. Meaning it works for different coils...

You say you have approx. 3000 wnd on each bobbin so you can tune the coils.

What is the WFC resistance at 20degC and what is the capacitance? Using the measurements from Don I calculated the max windings needed to get the winding ratio from the resistance. You already know the resistance of all the coils: 219.2 ohms and of your WFC at 20 degC. Which is (in my case) 208.8 ohms and 1.0574nF for a cell. So the VIC is designed to match a 10 cell series load. (208.8 ohms * 10=2088 ohms) + (VIC resistance of 219.2) =2307.2ohms. So your |Zs| series is 2307.2ohms and a 10 cells series WFC has 105.74pF.

Using this |Zs| 2307.2ohms and our primary |Zp| of (220//10.5)=10.02ohms and lets say Np=539wnd (30awg,10.5ohm) we get Ns=8166.18wnd (30awg) separated over three coils on the core. That's min. 2722.06wnd per coil!!!

Looking at the LTSpice sim, the secondary coil is opposing the chokes and both chokes are aiding. When the secondary is aiding the chokes I could not get the voltage peaks balanced of the chokes. Also the secondary sets your voltage amplitudes of the chokes.
 
GPS was telling the dielectric (resistance) was changing from high to low only when the EPP is started. When the resistance (load) is lowered to a min. of the coils |z| which is 219.2ohms+ Re. 78.54 ohms is never possible. (78.54 is constant on a fixed temperature).

Looking at it as a resistance it is possible that the WFC load of 2088ohm (water) is going to be less and the voltage is rising. (see for yourself in the TLSpice sim, changing the WFC Re). Curve will get smaller and higher in amplitude.

What is still don't understand is if the WFC capacitance will change when the WFC resistance is changing due EPP. Result is the frequency will shift and the voltage will change. If this is the case the chokes equal but opposite voltages get out of balance.
My feeling is that this does not happen and only a fraction of the WFC capacitance is changing due ambient temperature and the Re will be less (not much due water inflow/outflow) and the voltage should go up.

~webmug

~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1157, on January 26th, 2017, 04:13 PM »Last edited on January 26th, 2017, 04:17 PM
Thanks Webmug for taking the time to explain This further.

in the sim,
Quote
Looking at the LTSpice sim, the secondary coil is opposing the chokes and both chokes are aiding.
can you change the configuration so that  Sec and C1 are adding and the C2 are apposing.

I'm would love for something interesting to come from that configuration...

please try it and see if there is any positive result.

also, how dose the diode play in the sim with both configurations?

Thanks!!

~Russ

Webmug

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1158, on January 27th, 2017, 05:34 AM »Last edited on January 30th, 2017, 07:06 AM
Quote from ~Russ on January 26th, 2017, 04:13 PM
Thanks Webmug for taking the time to explain This further.

in the sim,



can you change the configuration so that  Sec and C1 are adding and the C2 are apposing.

I'm would love for something interesting to come from that configuration...

please try it and see if there is any positive result.

also, how dose the diode play in the sim with both configurations?

Thanks!!

~Russ
LTSpice IV download link

You can play with it and try the circuit (see attachment)

~webmug

HMS-776

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1159, on January 28th, 2017, 09:32 AM »Last edited on January 28th, 2017, 09:34 AM
Quote from adys15 on January 16th, 2017, 11:25 PM
Great work Brad.i saw your vids about the drive circuit.very nice,how did you make the ground ref to rise when the gate was off?
Adys15,

I use a dual channel signal gen to produce the high and low frequency pulsing. The +10V supply rail first goes through a 10k resistor, the circuit then splits, one leg goes to the collector of a 2n2222 which base is driven by the high frequency signal. The other leg off the 10k resistor goes through a pot then to the collector of another 2n2222 that is driven by the low frequency signal. The pot controls the pulse amplitude during the "off time".
The center post of the pot drives the base of another 2n2222 which drives the base of the TIP120.

I'll draw up a basic schematic later if you need, just let me know. Right now it's all on a breadboard.




adys15

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1163, on January 29th, 2017, 11:08 PM »
Thanks Brad..i always thought i had to use 2 separate frequencies to make the offset..but didnt know how...
About the core..it would be nice to find ferrite sheets and then cut them with a dremel

HHO-Dan

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1164, on February 8th, 2017, 04:11 AM »Last edited on February 9th, 2017, 04:34 AM
Forum Broken....Can't post............Took 4 tries
Where is GPS?
Just seems like things are not working well


Matt Watts

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1166, on February 21st, 2017, 05:21 PM »Last edited on February 21st, 2017, 05:38 PM
Quote from Erfinder
Phase relation is important, and not just in the "series" circuit.  Food for thought....  Reactive power is useless up until that moment when you realize it isn't.

Regards
Stated in regards to a successful replication of Mr. Tesla's ozone patent.
Quote from Erfinder
I have mastered ozone production, and I have found an explanation in the literature that mainstream scientists can appreciate.  You want to be the one with the answer, you want to spit in the face of academia, you cannot!  It's funny, they got it, however, owing to how everything is compartmentalized, they don't know they have it....  My electromechanical production method delivers a heretofore unheard of amount of ozone gas.  This, I can demonstrate it anytime, and yet here on the thread, I don't even mention it!  WHY!  BECAUSE IT'S NOT ABOUT OZONE!!!!!  THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT ENERGY AMPLIFICATION!
Could be a clue...    :thinking:




~Russ

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1170, on February 27th, 2017, 03:44 PM »
I was able through friends and favors to get 2 new sets of Flat VIC cores to test,

attached is the PDF's of each material type.

 more testing and coil wrapping in due time...

~Russ


Tomm

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1172, on February 28th, 2017, 04:37 AM »
It would help X-Blade, 3D print and the new technologies... some people did it by hand...

I think to obtain better results need to cut in half the core


Webmug

Re: "Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"
« Reply #1173, on February 28th, 2017, 05:01 AM »
Quote from ~Russ on February 27th, 2017, 03:44 PM
I was able through friends and favors to get 2 new sets of Flat VIC cores to test,

attached is the PDF's of each material type.

 more testing and coil wrapping in due time...

~Russ
Whoohoo, 3E5, ui 10000 +/- 20% @25degC that's high  :-)
I got the same 3C96 its also too high than the MN67 core.

~webmug