That L.M.D. / T.E.M. illustration is going to be helpful. You're on it.

I'm also curious how unintended L.M.D. parasitics are filtered in modern electronics.

EDIT: Actually, a Google search on "parasitics" brings me back to stray capacitance, which I was talking about earlier.

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In electrical circuits, parasitic capacitance, or stray capacitance is an unavoidable and usually unwanted capacitance that exists between the parts of an electronic component or circuit simply because of their proximity to each other.

The unwanted is actually wanted.

Quote from haxar on March 18th, 2017, 01:47 PM

I'm also curious how unintended L.M.D. parasitics are filtered in modern electronics.

They are not and they cannot be filtered.  Designers have to use tiny traces and such in hopes no LMD wave interacts with a pair of traces in a bad way.

When I mess around with my slayer exciter, I have a couple of capacitive touch lamps in my house that go crazy.  Even the smallest signal generated on the other side of the house is picked up by these devices.  Drives my wife crazy.  :-P

Imagine walking into an electronics store with a "Tesla Disrupter", being nothing more than a device that creates LMD waves in a sweep having nodes a few microns in size to a few millimeters in size.  Everything would fail, some destructively and others would require the famous reboot.  BTW, such a device would be perfect for measuring the tube gap in a WFC.  ;-)

Quote from Matt Watts on March 18th, 2017, 05:04 PM

When I mess around with my slayer exciter, I have a couple of capacitive touch lamps in my house that go crazy.  Even the smallest signal generated on the other side of the house is picked up by these devices.  Drives my wife crazy.  :-P

An unintended radio wave transmitter that happens to be wireless power.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 18th, 2017, 08:44 AM

Make a note of this:  Stan referred to the tube sets as wave guides, not electrodes.  There is a reason for this and it should be apparent to everyone by now.  The two tubes setup a dielectric pressure differential; all the water between them is being stressed equally, which is why the bubbles don't form on the metal, the tubes are not electrodes.

That's right! "Excitor-array" not electrodes!

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Physics. to raise (an atom, molecule, etc.) to an excited state.
any of the energy levels of a physical system, especially an atom, molecule, etc., that has higher energy than the lowest energy level.

~webmug

Quote from Matt Watts on March 18th, 2017, 08:44 AM

We need the VIC to produce Longitudinal Magneto Dielectric waves, i.e. "Cold Electricity".  These waves should have polarity nodes spaced exactly to match the gap in the resonant cavity.

If this is the case you need a wavelength of 1MHz to match the gap?

~webmug

Electrostatic inductance and electrostatic voltage is what Tesla talked about, where capacitors in series are adjoined by electrostatic induced conductors. Can only happen inside a static magnetic field so that the electrostatic capacitance becomes dominant, he demonstrated it many times in his apparatus and the velocity factor is many multiples of a normal linear current, which leads people to believe that electrostatics are not linear and the conductors are merely a wave quide.

Quote from Webmug on March 21st, 2017, 08:21 AM

If this is the case you need a wavelength of 1MHz to match the gap?

It's going to be up there yes Webmug.  These waves move at Pi/2 * C, but how they actually form what appears to be standing waves is outside my comprehension at the moment.  The Tesla Hairpin or Stout Bars experiment shows us fairly distant nodes.  Taking this design and modifying it to look like Stan's VIC will probably give us the node spacing we are after.  First we need a method to measure, then an apparatus to measure and lastly begin changing variables to shorten the node length down to the gap size.  I'm working on a PLL controlled, capacitive discharge driven coil system at the moment in hopes I can see and relate to everyone what I think is going on here.  I'm really hoping to discover this process is fairly simple and straightforward in principal even if the implementation is more difficult than I thought.  Once we all know what to do, then we can each work on a method of how to do it.  If this takes us back to how Stan did it, so be it, that's actually the best answer.  The goal here is in the title:

"Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"

Quote from nav on March 21st, 2017, 09:59 AM

... and the conductors are merely a wave quide.

Actually, according to Eric Dollard, they are dielectric reflectors.  When positioned properly, yes they would function as wave guides.

Dielectricity lives between conductors, which is why a transformer (spools of conductive wire on a bobbin) is a far more complex device than most people realize.  The more adjacent turns you have, the more volume you have to house dielectricy.  If we could all get away from the terms "capacitors" & "inductors" and think about the medium we are working with, these device structures would begin to make a lot more sense.  I highly recommend everyone watch this video several times and take notes.  Get your head wrapped around what he is saying or relaying from the true masters of their time.

Ok thanks. I hope to look at it this Sunday!

Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2017, 02:11 PM

Actually, according to Eric Dollard, they are dielectric reflectors.  When positioned properly, yes they would function as wave guides.

Dielectricity lives between conductors, which is why a transformer (spools of conductive wire on a bobbin) is a far more complex device than most people realize.  The more adjacent turns you have, the more volume you have to house dielectricy.  If we could all get away from the terms "capacitors" & "inductors" and think about the medium we are working with, these device structures would begin to make a lot more sense.  I highly recommend everyone watch this video several times and take notes.  Get your head wrapped around what he is saying or relaying from the true masters of their time.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2017, 02:11 PM

The more adjacent turns you have, the more volume you have to house dielectricy.

Stan said to keep adding turns on the secondary to increase the voltage.

I actually concur.

And Chris Sykes has analyzed many similar (in concept) devices where the turns ratio is in the range of 1:4 up to 1:6, with the VIC nearing the top of that list.  He doesn't know why this limited ratio appears, but I suspect it has to do with quadrature as Dollard has talked about.

Do be careful about all the transformer talk you have heard in the past.  Transformers don't work the way we think they do.

Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2017, 02:05 PM

It's going to be up there yes Webmug.  These waves move at Pi/2 * C, but how they actually form what appears to be standing waves is outside my comprehension at the moment.  The Tesla Hairpin or Stout Bars experiment shows us fairly distant nodes.  Taking this design and modifying it to look like Stan's VIC will probably give us the node spacing we are after.  First we need a method to measure, then an apparatus to measure and lastly begin changing variables to shorten the node length down to the gap size.  I'm working on a PLL controlled, capacitive discharge driven coil system at the moment in hopes I can see and relate to everyone what I think is going on here.  I'm really hoping to discover this process is fairly simple and straightforward in principal even if the implementation is more difficult than I thought.  Once we all know what to do, then we can each work on a method of how to do it.  If this takes us back to how Stan did it, so be it, that's actually the best answer.  The goal here is in the title:

"Understanding How Stan Meyers Fuel Cell Works"

Matt,

Just something to explore.

A long time ago I did some calculations finding the wavelength of the 1) tube length and 2) gap using the speed of sound in rain-water.

1) @~20kHz
2) @~1MHz

Both rely on TEMPERATURE and not PRESSURE, speed of sound is variable with TEMPERATURE.

Using halve wavelength of the tube length gives ~10kHz and this a harmonic of  ~1MHz.
Both nodes are at the top and bottom of the tube length.

Note. Keely mentions a molecule is in perpetual oscillation at 20kHz about their center at a fixed rate! The range of the oscillation being one-third of the molecule. Isn't that interesting?

So then exciting the molecule by stretching it using electrostatic oscillation can manipulate the molecule?

~webmug

Published in 1894

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It is through disturbance of this oscillatory equilibrium, by means of resonant impulses, that Keely alters the relations of the vibratory impulses which constitute matter. This he does by striking the same chord in three octaves, representing the third, sixth, and ninth of the scale.

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Forces are held in a dynamic state of equilibrium, a neutral state, until disturbed by an excitation or stimulation.

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Experiment shows that molecular dissociation does not take place until the molecule attains an oscillation approaching, if not fully reaching two-thirds of its diameter.

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Keely used the word Intensify and was his intended word for amplify. He intensified vibrations but amplified oscillations. Amplifying a vibration in the zero or neutral state.

~webmug

Quote from Matt Watts on March 21st, 2017, 02:11 PM

Actually, according to Eric Dollard, they are dielectric reflectors.  When positioned properly, yes they would function as wave guides.

Dielectricity lives between conductors, which is why a transformer (spools of conductive wire on a bobbin) is a far more complex device than most people realize.  The more adjacent turns you have, the more volume you have to house dielectricy.  If we could all get away from the terms "capacitors" & "inductors" and think about the medium we are working with, these device structures would begin to make a lot more sense.  I highly recommend everyone watch this video several times and take notes.  Get your head wrapped around what he is saying or relaying from the true masters of their time.

http://www.gestaltreality.com/downloads/
http://www.gestaltreality.com/downloads/Pt.1%20-%20People%20-%20Eric%20Dollard%20SFTS%20Powerpoint.pdf
http://www.gestaltreality.com/downloads/Pt.2%20-%20Aether%20-%20Eric%20Dollard%20SFTS%20Powerpoint.pdf
http://www.gestaltreality.com/downloads/Pt.3%20-%20Algebra%20-%20Eric%20Dollard%20SFTS%20Powerpoint.pdf

Use his presentation slides pdfs for clear reference.

~webmug

Quote from gpssonar on March 18th, 2017, 11:33 AM

I'll take the time to chime in here. You are correct Matt, it does not move. And neither does it move around the Vic once tuned correctly. Using a compass setting above the Vic will help one tune the Vic. This is the method I use myself.

this is the "electron bounce phenomenon"

look for it in Stans work. if you guys forgot...

also for your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCZG5ccPsk

~Russ

Very awesome clip Russ, many thanks for sharing :thumbsup:

Quote from ~Russ on March 31st, 2017, 09:09 AM

this is the "electron bounce phenomenon"

look for it in Stans work. if you guys forgot...

also for your viewing pleasure:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvCZG5ccPsk

~Russ

In my opinion Meyers vic has nothing to do with Impulses from a sparkgap...no sparkgap is used. A compass moves due the spark creating magnetic field...


If a compass doesnt move above the vic, then there is no moving magnetic field so there is no current!
So how is the voltage created using no magnetic field since electric field has two components, magnetic and electrostatic?


The electron bounce phenomenon (current restriction) uses the magnetic field???


~webmug

Quote from Webmug on April 1st, 2017, 02:47 PM

The electron bounce phenomenon (current restriction) uses the magnetic field???

The magnetic field is in conjunction with the dielectric energy.

Apparatus from 1999, experimenting with T.E.M. and L.M.D. waves:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

Page saved as PDF below.

Quote from Webmug on April 1st, 2017, 02:47 PM

The electron bounce phenomenon (current restriction) uses the magnetic field???


~webmug

i was trying to express the type of electricity that is with in the VIC...

 T.E.M. VS  L.M.D

I be leave we must be dealing with L.D.M

also this can be that way that stan was trying to explain the "electron bounce phenomenon"

go read that section again. where Stan talks about electron bounce phenomenon. if you understand L.D.M first. then tell me I'm crazy?

or tell me you agree. i would love for you to do so. let me know!!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ on April 1st, 2017, 08:31 PM

also this can be that way that stan was trying to explain the "electron bounce phenomenon"

The "electron bounce phenomenon" is exactly that. A phenomenon; unusual.

Best to document what this phenomenon is and what it does.

My feeling about the VIC is that it does produce LMD waves.  These waves have very short nodes equivalent to the spacing of the WFC tubes, or exciter array.  This is unlike the regular Tesla hairpin circuit where the nodes are spaced much further apart.  This is theory now on my part, but keep it in mind.  I could be correct, I could be full of crap.  I don't think we know for sure one way or another as yet.

So I've been thinking more about the VIC while it is actually in operation.  The LMD waves create standing nodes due to the way the chokes are configured.  I said "waves" plural.  There are two of them exiting each choke and passing through the opposing wave via the exciter array.  This is the process that makes the actual nodes:  two waves slightly out of phase, so they don't cancel by way of superposition.  This is part of the story, but there's more to it.

These two waves now re-enter the opposing choke after passing through the exciter array.  This is the point where they recombine back with magnetic component isolated in the VIC core.  This combining action is what keeps the core in oscillation.  The dielectric component of the previously hybrid electrical energy is restored and another cycle begins.  My theory as to why this can happen deals with the propagation speed of the dielectric component versus the magnetic component.  Dielectricity can shoot out the choke, go all the way through the exciter array and come back into the opposing choke at nearly the same speed as the magnetic component changes within the core.  It happens so fast the VIC doesn't even react to the fact the dielectric component has left at all.  The system just cycles along as though it were a typical oscillating circuit.  This may actually be what happens within an LC circuit, but no one has really ever looked at it that way.

Now to be technically correct with Dollard's description of dielectricity, the energy in the LMD wave doesn't actually pass through the wires.  It's actually in between the wires, remember he refers to conductors as dielectric reflectors.  So the LMD wave shoots out towards to the exciter array and a portion of it bounces back in exactly the opposite path as it took to get there.  This gets a little tough to wrap my head around, but we have to think of dielectricity as preferring a path of insulation, not conduction.  So the WFC actually reflects or causes a bounce of the LMD wave.  Looking at it this way, the nodes appear due to the wave arriving and departing from the exciter array.  Given this viewpoint, I would suspect if we placed a fluorescent tube between the two wires going to the exciter array, we might actually be able to see the standing wave nodes appear and if they have the proper spacing, likely the WFC will be producing gas.

The above consideration raises the question:  What happens when the exciter array is empty?  My suspicion is there is no bounce.  And with no bounce, there would be no standing wave nodes either.  Purely speculation, but certainly something we can verify in due time.

Quote from Webmug on April 1st, 2017, 02:47 PM

In my opinion Meyers vic has nothing to do with Impulses from a sparkgap...no sparkgap is used. A compass moves due the spark creating magnetic field...


If a compass doesnt move above the vic, then there is no moving magnetic field so there is no current!
So how is the voltage created using no magnetic field since electric field has two components, magnetic and electrostatic?


The electron bounce phenomenon (current restriction) uses the magnetic field???


~webmug

Ed Leedskalnin showed us that a magnetic field can be infinite (in time) as long as there is a means to circulate around a core and the inductors are short circuited so that the self inductance is trapped. As soon as you break the flux path in the core, the inductors will pass current and voltage and if you allow one of the inductors to go open circuit then the magnetic fields will collapse. Now how do you turn Meyer's tuned circuit into Ed's trapped magnetic field? The primary on Meyer's circuit is open circuit during pulse off time and so it needs to be shorted with a resistor which he does. The output of the secondary, the two chokes and the cell - none of them are open circuit because they are all in a closed loop with no power factor effecting the loop apart from the loss of voltage in the water fuel cell. So in essence it is fair to say that Stan's VIC and cell are in fact a closed system just like Ed's closed system and the one underlying fact that make's Stan's circuit do so is the resistor across the primary.
You then have to ask yourself exactly what Stan's circuit is doing? Then you need to ask yourself how you can make Ed's circuit behave like Stans circuit?

Quote from Matt Watts on April 2nd, 2017, 02:51 AM

My feeling about the VIC is that it does produce LMD waves.  These waves have very short nodes equivalent to the spacing of the WFC tubes, or exciter array.  This is unlike the regular Tesla hairpin circuit where the nodes are spaced much further apart.  This is theory now on my part, but keep it in mind.  I could be correct, I could be full of crap.  I don't think we know for sure one way or another as yet.

So I've been thinking more about the VIC while it is actually in operation.  The LMD waves create standing nodes due to the way the chokes are configured.  I said "waves" plural.  There are two of them exiting each choke and passing through the opposing wave via the exciter array.  This is the process that makes the actual nodes:  two waves slightly out of phase, so they don't cancel by way of superposition.  This is part of the story, but there's more to it.

These two waves now re-enter the opposing choke after passing through the exciter array.  This is the point where they recombine back with magnetic component isolated in the VIC core.  This combining action is what keeps the core in oscillation.  The dielectric component of the previously hybrid electrical energy is restored and another cycle begins.  My theory as to why this can happen deals with the propagation speed of the dielectric component versus the magnetic component.  Dielectricity can shoot out the choke, go all the way through the exciter array and come back into the opposing choke at nearly the same speed as the magnetic component changes within the core.  It happens so fast the VIC doesn't even react to the fact the dielectric component has left at all.  The system just cycles along as though it were a typical oscillating circuit.  This may actually be what happens within an LC circuit, but no one has really ever looked at it that way.

Now to be technically correct with Dollard's description of dielectricity, the energy in the LMD wave doesn't actually pass through the wires.  It's actually in between the wires, remember he refers to conductors as dielectric reflectors.  So the LMD wave shoots out towards to the exciter array and a portion of it bounces back in exactly the opposite path as it took to get there.  This gets a little tough to wrap my head around, but we have to think of dielectricity as preferring a path of insulation, not conduction.  So the WFC actually reflects or causes a bounce of the LMD wave.  Looking at it this way, the nodes appear due to the wave arriving and departing from the exciter array.  Given this viewpoint, I would suspect if we placed a fluorescent tube between the two wires going to the exciter array, we might actually be able to see the standing wave nodes appear and if they have the proper spacing, likely the WFC will be producing gas.

The above consideration raises the question:  What happens when the exciter array is empty?  My suspicion is there is no bounce.  And with no bounce, there would be no standing wave nodes either.  Purely speculation, but certainly something we can verify in due time.

Matt, here is the answer: LC circuit duality, cant be in counterspace what Tesla used but.....



https://youtu.be/TttHkDRuyZw watch from 3h05 generating lmd wave in counterspace using the self capacitance inductance resonance of our coils!


~webmug

Quote from ~Russ on April 1st, 2017, 08:31 PM

i was trying to express the type of electricity that is with in the VIC...

 T.E.M. VS  L.M.D

I be leave we must be dealing with L.D.M

also this can be that way that stan was trying to explain the "electron bounce phenomenon"

go read that section again. where Stan talks about electron bounce phenomenon. if you understand L.D.M first. then tell me I'm crazy?

or tell me you agree. i would love for you to do so. let me know!!

~Russ

The EBP is where the "gnd" symbol is placed in some of Meyers circuit diagrams. Here is a "phenomenon" were the current can not flow back into the secondary coil. (Monopolar transformer LC self capacitance inductance)???


Capacitance charging "effect" is the Reverse.


Just to consider.


~webmug