VIC testing (Findings and notes)

Gunther Rattay

nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #50, on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM »
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...


Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #51, on September 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
Interesting!

Just a question:
Is the WFC a nonlinear capacitor? What are the parameters making it nonlinear on a fixed frequency?

Regards!

Gunther Rattay

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #52, on September 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM »
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
Interesting!

Just a question:
Is the WFC a nonlinear capacitor? What are the parameters making it nonlinear on a fixed frequency?

Regards!
The idea came up somewhere here in the forum.

my own observations show that a charged cell immediately loses charge down to 2V. these 2V remain for some time like in a battery.

Taking into account experimental results described in the book "High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water" ISBN 978-1-934939-00-0 showing that dielectric breakdown for high voltage takes place after less than  a milisecond the wfc definitely shows some non-linear behaviour as a capacitor.

to answer your question: one parameter is voltage level and the other parameter is time.

now take into account that also the vic with it´s bifilar wound chokes has parasitic capacitances and parasitic inductances (bifilar binding of positive and negative path set up a type 3 PFN!) you can imagine complex dynamics during pulsing condition.

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #53, on September 3rd, 2012, 08:55 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
Interesting!

Just a question:
Is the WFC a nonlinear capacitor? What are the parameters making it nonlinear on a fixed frequency?

Regards!
The idea came up somewhere here in the forum.

my own observations show that a charged cell immediately loses charge down to 2V. these 2V remain for some time like in a battery.

Taking into account experimental results described in the book "High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water" ISBN 978-1-934939-00-0 showing that dielectric breakdown for high voltage takes place after less than  a milisecond the wfc definitely shows some non-linear behaviour as a capacitor.

to answer your question: one parameter is voltage level and the other parameter is time.

now take into account that also the vic with it´s bifilar wound chokes has parasitic capacitances and parasitic inductances (bifilar binding of positive and negative path set up a type 3 PFN!) you can imagine complex dynamics during pulsing condition.
2 more sources for the effect:

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf
http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Non-Linear-EM-Force.pdf

Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #54, on September 3rd, 2012, 10:10 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 08:55 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
Interesting!

Just a question:
Is the WFC a nonlinear capacitor? What are the parameters making it nonlinear on a fixed frequency?

Regards!
The idea came up somewhere here in the forum.

my own observations show that a charged cell immediately loses charge down to 2V. these 2V remain for some time like in a battery.

Taking into account experimental results described in the book "High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water" ISBN 978-1-934939-00-0 showing that dielectric breakdown for high voltage takes place after less than  a milisecond the wfc definitely shows some non-linear behaviour as a capacitor.

to answer your question: one parameter is voltage level and the other parameter is time.

now take into account that also the vic with it´s bifilar wound chokes has parasitic capacitances and parasitic inductances (bifilar binding of positive and negative path set up a type 3 PFN!) you can imagine complex dynamics during pulsing condition.
2 more sources for the effect:

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf
http://www.borderlands.de/Links/Non-Linear-EM-Force.pdf
http://www.jrossmacdonald.com/jrmpubs/020NonlinearCapacitors.pdf


adys15

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #55, on September 3rd, 2012, 11:55 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
Interesting!

Just a question:
Is the WFC a nonlinear capacitor? What are the parameters making it nonlinear on a fixed frequency?

Regards!
The idea came up somewhere here in the forum.

my own observations show that a charged cell immediately loses charge down to 2V. these 2V remain for some time like in a battery.

Taking into account experimental results described in the book "High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water" ISBN 978-1-934939-00-0 showing that dielectric breakdown for high voltage takes place after less than  a milisecond the wfc definitely shows some non-linear behaviour as a capacitor.

to answer your question: one parameter is voltage level and the other parameter is time.

now take into account that also the vic with it´s bifilar wound chokes has parasitic capacitances and parasitic inductances (bifilar binding of positive and negative path set up a type 3 PFN!) you can imagine complex dynamics during pulsing condition.
High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water'' do you have this book????????

Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #56, on September 3rd, 2012, 12:07 PM »
Quote from adys15 on September 3rd, 2012, 11:55 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 05:18 AM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
Interesting!

Just a question:
Is the WFC a nonlinear capacitor? What are the parameters making it nonlinear on a fixed frequency?

Regards!
The idea came up somewhere here in the forum.

my own observations show that a charged cell immediately loses charge down to 2V. these 2V remain for some time like in a battery.

Taking into account experimental results described in the book "High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water" ISBN 978-1-934939-00-0 showing that dielectric breakdown for high voltage takes place after less than  a milisecond the wfc definitely shows some non-linear behaviour as a capacitor.

to answer your question: one parameter is voltage level and the other parameter is time.

now take into account that also the vic with it´s bifilar wound chokes has parasitic capacitances and parasitic inductances (bifilar binding of positive and negative path set up a type 3 PFN!) you can imagine complex dynamics during pulsing condition.
High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water'' do you have this book????????
No I don't have this book.

Regards!

Gunther Rattay

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #57, on September 3rd, 2012, 12:09 PM »
Quote from adys15 on September 3rd, 2012, 11:55 AM
High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water'' do you have this book????????
yes I do.


Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #58, on September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM »Last edited on September 3rd, 2012, 01:37 PM by Webmug
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR.

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/old/ANALE/Anale_1997_1998/An_Univ_Iasi_1997_1998_09.pdf

Stan said: when tuned into the dielectric properties of water the current drops dramatically to 1-2mA!!!! Could be strong non-linear behavior in a WFC?
Quote
On the other hand, the non-linear effect in ferroelectrics manifests at high fields and low frequencies. By increasing the frequency, the
    ferroelectric system tends to become paraelectric and linear, but the very high field at resonance impose the strong non-linear behaviour.
Regards

Gunther Rattay

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #59, on September 3rd, 2012, 01:52 PM »
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR.

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/old/ANALE/Anale_1997_1998/An_Univ_Iasi_1997_1998_09.pdf

Stan said: when tuned into the dielectric properties of water the current drops dramatically to 1-2mA!!!! Could be strong non-linear behavior in a WFC?

    On the other hand, the non-linear effect in ferroelectrics manifests at high fields and low frequencies. By increasing the frequency, the
    ferroelectric system tends to become paraelectric and linear, but the very high field at resonance impose the strong non-linear behaviour.

Regards
"My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR."

how comes? the article only deals with ferroelectric ceramic capacitors. normal capacitors don´t show those effects.

Yes, I assume there shall be some special effect thru the WFC and/or the VIC.



Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #60, on September 3rd, 2012, 02:01 PM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:52 PM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR.

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/old/ANALE/Anale_1997_1998/An_Univ_Iasi_1997_1998_09.pdf

Stan said: when tuned into the dielectric properties of water the current drops dramatically to 1-2mA!!!! Could be strong non-linear behavior in a WFC?

    On the other hand, the non-linear effect in ferroelectrics manifests at high fields and low frequencies. By increasing the frequency, the
    ferroelectric system tends to become paraelectric and linear, but the very high field at resonance impose the strong non-linear behaviour.

Regards
"My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR."

how comes? the article only deals with ferroelectric ceramic capacitors. normal capacitors don´t show those effects.

Yes, I assume there shall be some special effect thru the WFC and/or the VIC.
Depends how you look at them :cool:: All capacitors are affected by Temperature, Gravity Waves and other Environmental factors depending on their physical structure.


Gunther Rattay

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #61, on September 3rd, 2012, 02:07 PM »
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 02:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:52 PM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR.

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/old/ANALE/Anale_1997_1998/An_Univ_Iasi_1997_1998_09.pdf

Stan said: when tuned into the dielectric properties of water the current drops dramatically to 1-2mA!!!! Could be strong non-linear behavior in a WFC?

    On the other hand, the non-linear effect in ferroelectrics manifests at high fields and low frequencies. By increasing the frequency, the
    ferroelectric system tends to become paraelectric and linear, but the very high field at resonance impose the strong non-linear behaviour.

Regards
"My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR."

how comes? the article only deals with ferroelectric ceramic capacitors. normal capacitors don´t show those effects.

Yes, I assume there shall be some special effect thru the WFC and/or the VIC.
Depends how you look at them :cool:: All capacitors are affected by Temperature, Gravity Waves and other Environmental factors depending on their physical structure.
ok, but to be relevant non-linear effect must show within the same time scale like the oscillation.


Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #62, on September 3rd, 2012, 02:13 PM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 02:07 PM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 02:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:52 PM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Digging into the idea that the WFC is a nonlinear capacitor this brand new publication may be useful:

http://aias.us/documents/miscellaneous/LCR-Resonant.pdf

to my opinion it´s all about timing and exact parameter matching.

there are millions of alternatives but to tune into the right parameter conditions complex calculations seem to be the way to go ...
My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR.

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/old/ANALE/Anale_1997_1998/An_Univ_Iasi_1997_1998_09.pdf

Stan said: when tuned into the dielectric properties of water the current drops dramatically to 1-2mA!!!! Could be strong non-linear behavior in a WFC?

    On the other hand, the non-linear effect in ferroelectrics manifests at high fields and low frequencies. By increasing the frequency, the
    ferroelectric system tends to become paraelectric and linear, but the very high field at resonance impose the strong non-linear behaviour.

Regards
"My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR."

how comes? the article only deals with ferroelectric ceramic capacitors. normal capacitors don´t show those effects.

Yes, I assume there shall be some special effect thru the WFC and/or the VIC.
Depends how you look at them :cool:: All capacitors are affected by Temperature, Gravity Waves and other Environmental factors depending on their physical structure.
ok, but to be relevant non-linear effect must show within the same time scale like the oscillation.
Could be. So if the WFC is non-linear there must be a square S-curve of hysteresis.
RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #63, on September 3rd, 2012, 03:34 PM »
What is the secret? Don't understand the insulation layer on the primary coil. Chokes I follow.

What is the voltage amplitude you are generating. Don't see opposite but equal voltages at B+ and B-.

Are you producing any gas?

Br,
Webmug

Gunther Rattay

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #64, on September 3rd, 2012, 09:42 PM »
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Taking into account experimental results described in the book "High-Voltage electrical breakdown of water" ISBN 978-1-934939-00-0 showing that dielectric breakdown for high voltage takes place after less than  a milisecond the wfc definitely shows some non-linear behaviour as a capacitor.
A 0.25 millisecond timeframe until dielectric breakdown means that any frequency > 2 kHz at 50% duty cycle obeys the dielectric barrier of water so that there should be no breakdown condition and water resistance can be assumed to be in the Megohm range.

Muxar


geenee

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #66, on September 5th, 2012, 09:27 AM »Last edited on September 5th, 2012, 09:54 AM by geenee
good clip about water capacitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzae5_BWus

thanks
geenee

Gunther Rattay

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #67, on September 5th, 2012, 01:06 PM »Last edited on September 5th, 2012, 01:08 PM by bussi04
Quote from geenee on September 5th, 2012, 09:27 AM
good clip about water capacitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dzae5_BWus

thanks
geenee
and here another good one explaining water dielectric and showing ease of capacitance calculation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZwCrNcrw-k&feature=channel&list=UL

the polarization reminds me to the dipole magnetization in a ferromagnetic core.


Webmug

RE: nonlinear capacitor yields extra energy
« Reply #68, on September 6th, 2012, 12:36 PM »
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 02:13 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 02:07 PM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 02:01 PM
Quote from bussi04 on September 3rd, 2012, 01:52 PM
Quote from Webmug on September 3rd, 2012, 01:01 PM
My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR.

http://stoner.phys.uaic.ro/old/ANALE/Anale_1997_1998/An_Univ_Iasi_1997_1998_09.pdf

Stan said: when tuned into the dielectric properties of water the current drops dramatically to 1-2mA!!!! Could be strong non-linear behavior in a WFC?

    On the other hand, the non-linear effect in ferroelectrics manifests at high fields and low frequencies. By increasing the frequency, the
    ferroelectric system tends to become paraelectric and linear, but the very high field at resonance impose the strong non-linear behaviour.

Regards
"My understanding is that all capacitors are NON-LINEAR."

how comes? the article only deals with ferroelectric ceramic capacitors. normal capacitors don´t show those effects.

Yes, I assume there shall be some special effect thru the WFC and/or the VIC.
Depends how you look at them :cool:: All capacitors are affected by Temperature, Gravity Waves and other Environmental factors depending on their physical structure.
ok, but to be relevant non-linear effect must show within the same time scale like the oscillation.
Could be. So if the WFC is non-linear there must be a square S-curve of hysteresis.
Quote
Capacitance is usually defined as the stored charge between two conducting surfaces separated by a dielectric divided by the voltage between the surfaces.  Another definition is the rate of change of the stored charge or surface charge (σ) divided by the rate of change of the voltage between the surfaces or the electric surface potential (ψ).  The latter is called the "differential capacitance," but usually the stored charge is directly proportional to the voltage, making the capacitances given by the two definitions equal.

This type of differential capacitance may be called "parallel plate capacitance," after the usual form of the capacitor.  However, the term is meaningful when applied to any two conducting bodies such as spheres, and not necessarily ones of the same size, for example, the elevated terminals of a Tesla wireless system and the earth.  These are widely spaced insulated conducting bodies positioned over a spherically conducting ground plane.[3]

    "The differential capacitance between the spheres is obtained by assuming opposite charges ±q on them. . . ." [4]

Another form of differential capacitance refers to single isolated conducting bodies. It is usually discussed in books under the topic of "electrostatics."  This capacitance is best defined as the rate of change of charge stored in the body divided by the rate of change of the potential of the body.  The definition of the absolute potential of the body depends on what is selected as a reference.  This is sometimes referred to as the "self-capacitance" of a body.  If the body is a conducting sphere, the self-capacitance is proportional to its radius, and is roughly 1pF per centimetre of radius.
The WFC has a TUBE and ROD as exciter plates so there must be "differential capacitance". It has two unequal double layers.

Regards

Gunther Rattay


Faisca

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #70, on September 20th, 2012, 06:48 AM »
This is my proposal to test a new "VIC" and realize the phenomenon of placing high voltage without current in the cell.
Following the circuit diagram, you will notice a minimal difference with the patent Meyer, however changes the whole outcome:
At first glance, the circuit is open (or no circuit) because there is no loop in the transformer secondary cell and this alone, so let's see, when the voltage is positive at the top of the transformer with respect to ground, the diode conducts through the choke to the anode of the cell (there is a minimum charge, since water is mass) and when reversing the voltage transformer, passes through the other choke drive to the cathode of the cell. So we have high positive (the anode) and negative (the cathode), although not at the same time, so without current. (photo attached)
All have already seen, Leds and / or neons being driven this way, in the experiments of "Electron tief" where radio frequency is used and a dipole.
I believe we can take advantage flybacks without tripler (adjusted to about 2 or 3 kV.) And for the chokes, other two flybacks (mounted on a single core). In primary, a variable frequency generator, a driver FET, and a power adjustable voltage / current. And media monitoring circuit (probes, oscilloscope etc).
This is the Set-Up.
Hugs.

geenee

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #71, on September 20th, 2012, 08:06 AM »Last edited on September 20th, 2012, 10:26 AM by geenee
Hi Faisca,saw all of your videos. about high voltages.
and i tested many high voltages with low current.and failed!!!nothing gas!!!

something i think "maybe we come to wrong way".cause =
1.Meyer use DC current high voltage but Where High voltage Diode????.i read the patents he use 1n1198=600v18amps
2.Agha Waqar Ahmad(recently success hho),he uses Meyer tech.use 12v to ac 110v and rectify to dc series LC, distill water no natural water or tap water.series LC is look like short circuit=0V and Max Amps but parallel LC look like open circuit(0Amps and a huge Voltages) when in resonant.i think "we need a huge amps without voltage.why??--->>Meyer said Series LC circuit". and many people success high gas output use low voltage about 3V and 200amps and low heat.but this not enough to make hho for run a car(1000cc need about 60-80LPM).when you try to find lowest voltage that can make bubble,you will get stuck at 3V.how to use 1 voltage or 0.5 voltage with 500 amps(250W)??? or 0.1 voltage with 2500Amps????----->>Series LC circuit ONLY!!!!  

about plasma injector??? why work??  when short capacitor voltage drop to minimum nearly 0 Voltage amps will jump to many many amps in few second.

let change direction and close look in Series LC(high amps=short circuit).

thanks
geenee  
PS.why use high voltage??? if need to charge High farad 400v capacitor to make high joule.you have two ways.
1. use 400v and many amps like 20++ amps.--->>big transformer big copper many amps power supply
2. use 10kv and littles amps ------>>use fuji DC HV little circuit and 3v 1.5v battery
what's the best way???--> 2. and need DC HV to make dielectric break down of water too.

i test about water many experiments.with the purest water in the test high voltage why short circuit(water is the best dielectric).because AC high voltage and water is true capacitor.but DC High voltage is not short but short in alternate DC high voltage.Oh!!!this way---> RL Low pass filter!!!!!choke is RL low pass to make perfect stable DC HV.then now stable dc cannot pass the water==low amps.

why connect WFC in series???RC low pass filter!!!!for make stable DC HV.why??in water,i dont know R is front? or C is front?if connect in series it will be low pass -->high pass-->low pass -->>high pass.... low high high low.... then it now stable smooth dc hv(smooth line dc and not short circuit).

Faisca

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #72, on September 20th, 2012, 09:31 AM »
Quote from geenee on September 20th, 2012, 08:06 AM
Hi Faisca,saw all of your videos. about high voltages.
and i tested many high voltages with low current.and failed!!!nothing gas!!!

something i think "maybe we come to wrong way".cause =
1.Meyer use DC current high voltage but Where High voltage Diode????.i read the patents he use 1n1198=600v18amps
2.Agha Waqar Ahmad(recently success hho),he uses Meyer tech.use 12v to ac 110v and rectify to dc series LC, distill water no natural water or tap water.series LC is look like short circuit=0V and Max Amps but parallel LC look like open circuit(0Amps and a huge Voltages) when in resonant.i think "we need a huge amps without voltage.why??--->>Meyer said Series LC circuit". and many people success high gas output use low voltage about 3V and 200amps and low heat.but this not enough to make hho for run a car(1000cc need about 160-200LPM).when you try to find lowest voltage that can make bubble,you will get stuck at 3V.how to use 1 voltage or 0.5 voltage with 500 amps(250W)??? or 0.1 voltage with 2500Amps????----->>Series LC circuit ONLY!!!!  

about plasma injector??? why work??  when short capacitor voltage drop to minimum nearly 0 Voltage amps will jump to many many amps in few second.

let change direction and close look in Series LC(high amps=short circuit).

thanks
geenee  
PS.why use high voltage??? if use need to charge High farad 400v capacitor to make high joule.you have two ways.
1. use 400v and many amps like 20++ amps.--->>big transformer big copper many amps power supply
2. use 10kv and littles amps ------>>use fuji DC HV circuit and 3v 1.5v battery
what's the best way???
If that's what you want, Geene, then I recommend you follow the steps of Sebosfato. He proposed a system based entirely on high current and low voltage. I believe we must have high efficiency (have to use eltrolito), as predicted by Faraday. It uses a parallel LC fed with pulses of high voltage and cell gets a leg of "C", through a rectifier bridge (this is my adaptation. In it, he used two diodes and two cells).
But LC parallel, low current and high voltage? Yes, but between L and C, a large current therefore L has to be wired thick, and C for HV good quality. The pic of a leg-up, the FB is for the PLL.

I for my part, I'll still run out attempting to replicate Meyer, only with tension and almost no current. If you paid attention in my last drawing, notice that this time, the problem was solved the short circuit, which always killed the high voltage.

Do not even read the document that you sent, but no diagrams.

geenee

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #73, on September 20th, 2012, 05:30 PM »Last edited on September 20th, 2012, 05:54 PM by geenee
Quote from geenee on September 20th, 2012, 08:06 AM
Hi Faisca,saw all of your videos. about high voltages.
and i tested many high voltages with low current.and failed!!!nothing gas!!!

something i think "maybe we come to wrong way".cause =
1.Meyer use DC current high voltage but Where High voltage Diode????.i read the patents he use 1n1198=600v18amps
2.Agha Waqar Ahmad(recently success hho),he uses Meyer tech.use 12v to ac 110v and rectify to dc series LC, distill water no natural water or tap water.series LC is look like short circuit=0V and Max Amps but parallel LC look like open circuit(0Amps and a huge Voltages) when in resonant.i think "we need a huge amps without voltage.why??--->>Meyer said Series LC circuit". and many people success high gas output use low voltage about 3V and 200amps and low heat.but this not enough to make hho for run a car(1000cc need about 60-80LPM).when you try to find lowest voltage that can make bubble,you will get stuck at 3V.how to use 1 voltage or 0.5 voltage with 500 amps(250W)??? or 0.1 voltage with 2500Amps????----->>Series LC circuit ONLY!!!!  

about plasma injector??? why work??  when short capacitor voltage drop to minimum nearly 0 Voltage amps will jump to many many amps in few second.

let change direction and close look in Series LC(high amps=short circuit).

thanks
geenee  
PS.why use high voltage??? if need to charge High farad 400v capacitor to make high joule.you have two ways.
1. use 400v and many amps like 20++ amps.--->>big transformer big copper many amps power supply
2. use 10kv and littles amps ------>>use fuji DC HV little circuit and 3v 1.5v battery
what's the best way???--> 2. and need DC HV to make dielectric break down of water too.

i test about water many experiments.with the purest water in the test high voltage why short circuit(water is the best dielectric).because AC high voltage and water is true capacitor.but DC High voltage is not short but short in alternate DC high voltage.Oh!!!this way---> RL Low pass filter!!!!!choke is RL low pass to make perfect stable DC HV.then now stable dc cannot pass the water==low amps.

why connect WFC in series???RC low pass filter!!!!for make stable DC HV.why??in water,i dont know R is front? or C is front?if connect in series it will be low pass -->high pass-->low pass -->>high pass.... low high high low.... then it now stable smooth dc hv(smooth line dc and not short circuit).
PDF file that great idea,lets to read it.

we need to learn about water.
1.Is water dielectric?is real?no short circuit is real??? by testing the purest water, dc, ac, hv dc, hv ac, high frequency, low frequency, 0 frequency.
2.Is  water a real capacitor?by testing two plates of metal and fill water in a plastic bag.put the bag in middle of two plates and use LCR meter to count capacitance.

thanks
geenee



Faisca

RE: VIC testing (Findings and notes)
« Reply #74, on September 20th, 2012, 05:59 PM »
Quote from geenee on September 20th, 2012, 05:30 PM
Quote from geenee on September 20th, 2012, 08:06 AM
Hi Faisca,saw all of your videos. about high voltages.
and i tested many high voltages with low current.and failed!!!nothing gas!!!

something i think "maybe we come to wrong way".cause =
1.Meyer use DC current high voltage but Where High voltage Diode????.i read the patents he use 1n1198=600v18amps
2.Agha Waqar Ahmad(recently success hho),he uses Meyer tech.use 12v to ac 110v and rectify to dc series LC, distill water no natural water or tap water.series LC is look like short circuit=0V and Max Amps but parallel LC look like open circuit(0Amps and a huge Voltages) when in resonant.i think "we need a huge amps without voltage.why??--->>Meyer said Series LC circuit". and many people success high gas output use low voltage about 3V and 200amps and low heat.but this not enough to make hho for run a car(1000cc need about 60-80LPM).when you try to find lowest voltage that can make bubble,you will get stuck at 3V.how to use 1 voltage or 0.5 voltage with 500 amps(250W)??? or 0.1 voltage with 2500Amps????----->>Series LC circuit ONLY!!!!  

about plasma injector??? why work??  when short capacitor voltage drop to minimum nearly 0 Voltage amps will jump to many many amps in few second.

let change direction and close look in Series LC(high amps=short circuit).

thanks
geenee  
PS.why use high voltage??? if need to charge High farad 400v capacitor to make high joule.you have two ways.
1. use 400v and many amps like 20++ amps.--->>big transformer big copper many amps power supply
2. use 10kv and littles amps ------>>use fuji DC HV little circuit and 3v 1.5v battery
what's the best way???--> 2. and need DC HV to make dielectric break down of water too.

i test about water many experiments.with the purest water in the test high voltage why short circuit(water is the best dielectric).because AC high voltage and water is true capacitor.but DC High voltage is not short but short in alternate DC high voltage.Oh!!!this way---> RL Low pass filter!!!!!choke is RL low pass to make perfect stable DC HV.then now stable dc cannot pass the water==low amps.

why connect WFC in series???RC low pass filter!!!!for make stable DC HV.why??in water,i dont know R is front? or C is front?if connect in series it will be low pass -->high pass-->low pass -->>high pass.... low high high low.... then it now stable smooth dc hv(smooth line dc and not short circuit).
PDF file that great idea,lets to read it.

we need to learn about water.
1.Is water dielectric?is real?no short circuit is real??? by testing the purest water, dc, ac, hv dc, hv ac, high frequency, low frequency, 0 frequency.
2.Is  water a real capacitor?by testing two plates of metal and fill water in a plastic bag.put the bag in middle of two plates and use LCR meter to count capacitance.

thanks
geenee
Very good "pdf", but no diagram.
I do not understand: It seems that uses an inverter, 110V ac generates, and bridge rectifier cell with distilled water only.
Where is the inductor? Before or after the bridge?
Thank you.