#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Quote from Matt Watts on November 9th, 2017, 10:33 PM
Russ, if you can build the motor shown in that video, pump water under pressure with a string of dead batteries and show the current flowing backwards, I will send you a valid check in the amount of \$10,000.  Joe said no one but him could do it, I think he's wrong there.
Matt in my head its all there. (Ok there is a few things to do still) but its there.

Negtive. No problem. I already proved to my self on the bench its possible. Scope shots to prove it. That was back in video 4 or somthing.

And about the check... Challenge excepted.. ✌

But i still need your brain. :P

Now its time to be patient. For me any way. In due time.

BIG!!!

~Russ
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
There was a guy post an answer on Feynman Disc Paradox. I can't find it now.

I'll look tomarrow. You might be able to wrap your head aroud it.

~Russ
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Theses Pages seem to be barred

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/qm11bp.htm

you have to keep clicking the links on the page to get to the next one.
~Russ
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
220 Henries on his device. newmans smaller one was 16,000... thats a massive increase...
17,332 ohms... newmans was 50K
8.04687256975 lb of wire... newmans was 145Lb!!!!
JLN Labs magnets were... small to say the least. newmans was 14Lb

so what am i telling you? well take what JLN Labs did and multiply it by each number you see there.

then take his results and do the same. you will see it scales proportionally, small input, small deice, small result ( most of the time not enough to over come the internal "losses" ) but just enough to see something interesting. this is where most of us sit... and we have seen this on our benches.

however a big input ( more volts) and a big deice, a big Result...  enough to over come the internal " losses" this is your scale you have to work with.

on a side note. can anyone confirm that the more SELF capacitance i put in to the coil the better it is for this process? we know the more SELF inductance is good. but i'm still trying to wrap my head around this SELF SELF capacitance... more capacitance takes away from the inductance, so i see a very important roll in a balance between the 2 but i haven't inconvenienced my self just yet.

note to self. more current = bigger field = "gyroscopic particles" going out past the next wire. instead of " hitting it" this means thats the balance...

~Russ

#### Matt Watts

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Quote from ~Russ on November 10th, 2017, 09:18 AM
on a side note. can anyone confirm that the more SELF capacitance i put in to the coil the better it is for this process? we know the more SELF inductance is good. but i'm still trying to wrap my head around this SELF SELF capacitance... more capacitance takes away from the inductance, so i see a very important roll in a balance between the 2 but i haven't inconvenienced my self just yet.
You can "cancel" ALL the inductance and a coil will still create a magnetic field.

What self capacitance buys you is speed.

Balancing the inductance with capacitance is how you turn the entire coil into nothing more than an ohmic resistance--one that is able to create a magnetic field mind you.  An ohmic resistance has no frequency limitations.

If you could wrap 100 pounds of flat wire in a paired bifilar manner, your motor would probably accelerate to 10,000 RPM.  So ask yourself if that would be useful to you...

#### talisman

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Not looking other than the video outside of electrical theory there is a gravitational mass momentum potential. A small amount of power could be pulsed to the moment of momentum and cut off. The instant of the cut off could be analogous to closing the valve or opening the switch. There theoretically could be a method of capturing that potential disturbance impulse to transform on delay cycle from each circular revolution. On the other hand it could be completely different... should scale to a single 9 volt battery.

#### sonnet

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Thus it is not the particle/fields themselves which produce a magnetic field but the extent of there motion in an external field which produces a disturbance in the external field which we call magnetism.
Thank you cycle for some interesting answers, you made me think and I like that.
The above quote from Onepower was what triggered me thinking of my permanent magnet sitting on the shelf not perturbing the Aether. As its not moving. You explain a field does move.
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Actually, it has perturbed the quantum vacuum... it's the same sort of vacuum polarization that occurs in the nucleus of every atom, which is why all matter has an inherent magnetism... usually diamagnetic, although certain atomic arrangements have a stronger ferromagnetic field.

Magnets are temporal in nature due to time, space and matter all being weakly coupled. Hence it has a simultaneous (time-shifted) energy deficit and surplus due to the aforementioned vacuum polarization. This is what creates the magnetic field.
Having read your very beautifully thought out explanation of the magnet field (from your link), I can see now also how the electron can stay in this extended shell and still keep its momentum despite loosing photons, thanks  to the de Broglie waves.
And your explanation on the bending of space-time bulging with matter has kicked a thirst for knowledge more. Thank you.
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
@ one power
oh and thank you onepower for sowing the seed of curiosity.

'You cannot learn what you think you already know' and Russ for that timely words of wisdom.

#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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" should scale to a single 9 volt battery. "
you can, but it has to be to scale. in that build, you would need wire so small you would not be able to see it. I own some 56AWG, the only reason you can see it is due to the light refracting from it.

this is not a smart way to go. instead you go back to whats available. this = bigger scale.

you could do it at a small scale if you raised the voltage, however you will run in to insulation problems, and the more insulation you put on the wire the the more capacitance you add, and the less inductance. so theres alot to think about.
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" There theoretically could be a method of capturing that potential disturbance impulse to transform on delay cycle from each circular revolution."
you can, in Newman's small unit he dose it 20 times / rev.  First energize, second open coil. (impulse capture is the high voltage, this goes back to the battery, however im not so sure he was doing this on this unit, or there is more i need to look at. volts in volts out), Then you short the coil before The BEMF current gets out, this is what turns the rotor ( delay)

~Russ
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
subject to change

charge , ( activate the alignment, dont let the current get through the circuit)
capture, ( The instant change and voltage spike, charge battery)
dump ( use the current to run the rotor, delay by shorting)

~Russ

#### sonnet

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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on a side note. can anyone confirm that the more SELF capacitance i put in to the coil the better it is for this process? we know the more SELF inductance is good. but i'm still trying to wrap my head around this SELF SELF capacitance... more capacitance takes away from the inductance, so i see a very important roll in a balance between the 2 but i haven't inconvenienced my self just yet.
Yes russ more self capacitance blows the frequency potential sky high.
from all your snippets of notes I think you have it russ.
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
And for those following the magnetic field movement theme in the post,
I have to explain the movement in the field is not linear it would only effect the very smallest particles of matter. and would not be observable in the macroscopic world.
The movement that is there is like or not unlike in engineering terms a scotch yoke with a orbital spin on the diameter of the yokes circumference as I understand it.

This is the picture in my minds eye.

#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
ok sonnet, so the thing is to get the most voltage out. i see adding capacitance will help us do this.

However we are running at a low frequency.... so in the end it might not even madder much?

Matt I need to re grasp all my thinking about the pancake coil. i think it helps us do what we want with the right thing.

im not so sure that the ideas of Newman and Tesla at 100% in agreement. ( different thing going on, same ideas)

Newman LOVED inductance. This is one part that makes his device work. ( so it looks on paper)  so if we remove it I'm not so sure what will happen. its also low frequency

However if we were doing high frequency i would see it the only way... pancake coil. get the inductance out... run on capacitance!

so i think there polar opposite in a way... but I'm not sure yet..

something tells me adding capacitance is good for Newman, but not to much. i think the right balance is already build in to just having so Manny turns...

according to that article i posted the layer to layer is where most the capacitance comes from. hence why the pancake coils works the way it dose ( is it the fact that its going outwards / like in a fly wheel the force is out from the center ? ?)

also, the taller and less layers the coil, i t seems the less capacitance and the more inductance. , look how tall and round Newman's first coil was.

~Russ

#### sonnet

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
@ russ
Yes too ways you can run with this,
follow newman method to the tee and should get a running system. But I thought you were improving on newman...in his words you could because his was a crude working model.
So I see the bifilar coil and capacitance as a improvement to delivering more from the magnetic power.
Its a call your going to have to make because your only going to want to build one coil...lol
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
don't know about pancake coils though russ.....just bifilar conventional coil i'm thinking

#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
I'm sticking with conventional first. then improvements can be address later. however there is all-most NOTHING to go by so I'm just going very basic proof like he did.  he did give A LOT of direction though.

its to my understanding that he did it mostly by his gut feeling. and i think it was " go big or go home" in the beginning lol

so thats my motivation too lol

however we are all smart people here so we can have even a better outcome by thinking through it very carefully first.

I'm so glad EVERYONE is here! YOU all are a Major part of this work. ITS NOT FOR ME.... as Newman also preached... 110% guys / gals...

~Russ

#### sonnet

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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However we are running at a low frequency.... so in the end it might not even madder much?
your not running at low frequency in the short as you have created a spark gap when you shorted the coil, his commutator had a blank before the short would this not send the frequency sky high in the capacitive coil?

#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Quote from sonnet on November 10th, 2017, 02:36 PM
your not running at low frequency in the short as you have created a spark gap when you shorted the coil, his commutator had a blank before the short would this not send the frequency sky high in the capacitive coil?
well thats also what I'm thinking. i think its a second benefit. and-might be a side effect. and not helpful.  I'm not sure just yet.

buy yes. thats part why i was bringing it up.
~Russ

#### sonnet

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Id like to understand why its not helpful,
because you would still have your magnetic field held, with very little resistance.
The energy has nowhere to go till we open the next fire.
Time would be working in our favour quickly using up the collapsing magnetic field, otherwise with inductance we are bringing in a time lag and energy would or could still be there as we go to the next fire sequence.
Hope I got that right it is mind blowing to visualize.

#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
" the speed of the charges is proportional to the value of electric current;"

http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html

the less current the slower it is, its not really the resistance in that point then, its just the fact that it moves slower... hummm, cool .

thats the factor  then of switching speed as well... something to think about.  You might be able to scale this after all, just restrict your amperage and boost your voltage, you might be able to get the same result on a smaller scale! well worth a try! you should be able to see it better on the scope possibly.

and potential (voltage) moves at the speed of light.. (so its said)
~Russ
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
Quote from sonnet on November 10th, 2017, 03:09 PM
Id like to understand why its not helpful,
because you would still have your magnetic field held, with very little resistance.
The energy has nowhere to go till we open the next fire.
Time would be working in our favour quickly using up the collapsing magnetic field, otherwise with inductance we are bringing in a time lag and energy would or could still be there as we go to the next fire sequence.
Hope I got that right it is mind blowing to visualize.
the only reason why its not helpful is that the more spacing the less inductance. and i think inductance plays more helpful of a roll. so the more capacitance ( spicing ) the more wire is needed lol we are already way out there lol :)

~Russ

#### sonnet

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
ok right I see your point. our big is getting bigger and unattainable. and will serve as no practical use.
##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
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Id like to understand why its not helpful,
because you would still have your magnetic field held, with very little resistance.
The energy has nowhere to go till we open the next fire.
Time would be working in our favour quickly using up the collapsing magnetic field, otherwise with inductance we are bringing in a time lag and energy would or could still be there as we go to the next fire sequence.
Hope I got that right it is mind blowing to visualize.
I did use the word energy not electricity, The energy in the magnetic field i was referring.
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Energy flows fast, yet an electric current is a very slow flow.
taken from http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html

#### ~Russ

##### Re: The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman 2017
right, so if its going to help, we need to make 100% it will, and how much to add, i do think it will help, give us a lot of voltage. From all my past experiences more capacitance = to the equivalent of having a capacitor across the outputs. its quite interesting. and that could be good, but it might not be...

If we add enough we might be able to remove the capacitors added to the coils... see where I'm going?

however is it better to do that or not? this is where i'm at...

`Russ