Number of turns and resistance.  These are the two concepts in a physical/mechanical sense we need to apply to Joe's work.  They seem simple, but I think this is a case where the KISS principal or Occam's Razor actually hurts us.



http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/indcur.html#c1

Remember spin and movement (helical), at the speed of light creating gyroscopic forces.  What happens as this phenomena traverses a coil?  Or a resistor?


May I also suggest current is a response to something, a reaction.  If that something doesn't exist, you won't see any signs of current.  Infinite resistance?  Is it possible to build a magnetic field with infinite resistance?

It might be...

The first thing we must contemplate is what exactly is a magnetic field.  Once this is done
then we can deduce what creates it.  After much research my hypothesis is this:  Magnetism
can not be created by just electrons flowing in a wire.  Due to the drift velocity of electrons,
they flow like molasses.  If it was just accelerated electrons then why does a stream inside of
a vacuum tube NOT create a massive EMF?   It has to be something different.  If we look at a
battery with two plates in an electrolyte and imagine the negative ions flowing from the negative plate
to positive plate, at the same time a flow of positive ions toward the negative plate.  When viewed
in this light its not a far stretch to imagine electrons flowing one way through a wire and protons
flowing in the opposite direction and not "Holes" as the new science teaches us.  The field created
from this moving of particles in two different directions force each other to pass and create
a spiral outward force aka the magnetic field.  This explains why in the dead center of a wire
why there is no magnetic field because they meet in the exact center of the wire and cancel
each others charge with no magnetic field.

Would it not be possible to align all the copper atoms with a voltage placed on either
side of a wire with a resistor inline to limit the current?

Good thoughts there Chuff.

I'm not for sure that's what Joe was doing. However it is something to think about for sure. It might be verry helpfull to us.

On a side thought. You made me realize a cool way to think about this.

We can have 1 big pipe,  or we can have a bunch of small pipes.

If there all Conected at one end we can push the same current through each.

But we have a choice. We can use our 100 watts with high current. Low voltage.  Or we can use it with low current. And the voltage high. 

So the high resystsnce gives us the ability to keep the current low.  That's what its good at.

The current is restricted. So there for it gives us the ability to run with pure potential.

We already descoverd if we can do that there is hope.

So next thing to think about.

If we have 1000lb of wire,  and its one big wire. There is allmost no capatance.  But if the same wire is 100,000,000,000 of small wires we add in this extra capatance.

I believe this is where will get our high voltage to boost.  This is the part most don't think about.

Adding self capatance in a coil is the same as adding a capacitor across the Leeds.

and if looking at the charts the BEMF is not constant.  (Page ~300)  well not with the input.

It takes a V shape. Get past that v and your on a win win for in vs out

It states that the watts go down,  and BEMF gose up.  Hummm...

Seems like what Joe had...

So the more turns. The better.  So if using fine fine fine wire. You can make. It smaller. To a point.

Its allways botherd me that everyone counts turns of wire. And could Care  less about the length.

I've allways counted the length and ignored the turns.

How ever. Turns play a major roll in the math. So we use it. Ampear turns or so they say.

Also. On my first test tube motor is use ultra fine wire. And it runs like a champ. Has far less power than my new one that has bigger wire and dose not run in low light.

So that a sort of proof to start with. It runs on voltage. Even though its low. I can't make it work with big wire becuse it dose not have the current capability...

~Russ

For what its worth, plumbing!
If I'm working with a gravity feed (low voltage)  the pressure (voltage) can suffer over a long run so I make sure my pipe bore is large so that the pressure makes it to the end of the pipeline but my flowrate (current) is slow/low because of doing this. conclusion working with small potentials needs big pipes/wires and a minimum pressure to pipe length ratio be noted.
If I know I have a high pressure (voltage potential) I can reduce the pipe bore size in doing so my flowrate (current) increases....
So is thin wire the answer?
Well think of this, If I have the same potential/pressure in my pipes big or small and I close the switch/valve will my water hammer be greater in a larger bore or a smaller bore? will I get a bigger vacuum after the valve switch in the small wire or larger wire?

@Russ I like the many wires thought as opposed to one big one, best of both worlds

Doesn't Joe short the coil using the commutator thus increasing the distance the flow has to travel in the wire. Basically looping the current. Thus adding  wire length to the circuit? without using more wire.

Sonnet, 

I don't think small small wire is needed at a bigger scales.  The smaller you go. The harder it is to get it to work I would think.  Becuse you need the mass. More alignment of atoms the bigger the effect. You don't have to do this with current.  You can do it with potental. Or "high tension" so one could do this with some. Math.  Know veribals and knowing what's going to happen in the wire.

Also about the coil shorting. He uses caps across the wire to do a similar effect in his later motors. As far as I can tell he did not do this on his old motors. Only the new ones. This is what I was saying in my eriler posts.   

More research. Might prove. Me. Wrong. If he did short the coils. He would not get those spikes. And the old videos show big arcs.

~Russ

https://youtu.be/P0bGK_WKDyw

I find this Intresting.

The fundamental thought is explained here.

~Russ

So the magnetic lines of flux are the gyroscopic particles... 

Rotating at the speed of light and moving at the speed of light.

C2

Hummm OK. More to read.

Eletrostatics are the same thing. "Lines of flux" there too... Same spinning particles.

He basicaly giving us what a feild is....  That's a good thought.

~Russ

Extra is the photo attached

 
:huh:

One question I have. It has to do with plain resistance in DC. I have seen instructional videos who state a resistor (such as a light or heating element) has an set unchanging constant value of resistance no matter what. It this correct or did they omit that a mechanical generator also has a resistance value by the formula and it appears that resistance value may not be a constant. This is the problem with physical laws interspersed with assumptions.     

No. Such is a filiment.  The hotter you get it.  The resistance changes.

Its not linear. 

This is why you can't use a light to do wattage calculations. Becuse you measure it cold. And it changes with input. 

Google ohmic resistance. 

~Russ

This video treats it as a linear constant in relation to volts and amps ratio so the absolute value of the resistance
may change in a linear fashion but the ratio is presented as a linear constant.

The resistance varies according to pulse transformation with a mechanical motor generator. A light is a solid state
not dynamic in the math.

Resistance

   

at 6:50 of the video

To look at this another way:

A motor generator set at a constant wattage has a resistance value.

The same wattage applied to a bulb has a resistance value.

Both together as a load I would think would have a sum higher resistance value.

Remember we are holding the watts constant. The bulb you are saying is getting hotter
with a higher power input, the resistance to the input is the same as the hardware can
rate.





 

check this out, it clears up some question you might have, also note the negative resistance ( aka a plasma)
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-2/nonlinear-conduction/

to answer your question about a motor generator, you have to start looking at the device with impedance, reactance, and other things. it gets complicated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_reactance

~Russ

The video has made a generality and there are exceptions. Yet some would think it is iron clad because the law
 is a math derived proof and not subject to variation. Obviously it is subject to variation to the environment in and around the
scope of the circuit. The link is very good and shows recent exceptions that are minor opening the potential of a stronger fluctuation. 

Impedance and reaction are concerned with the AC type current wave effects. In this experiment I am simpler by
using basic DC math. There could be a lot to separate and could these AC wave effects be partial exceptions
now adjusted accounted for in the math. 

Quote from talisman on November 6th, 2017, 11:09 AM

Impedance and reaction are concerned with the AC type current wave effects. In this experiment I am simpler by
using basic DC math. There could be a lot to separate and could these AC wave effects be partial exceptions
now adjusted accounted for in the math.

if one has a DC generator. its still a switching device. most likely.

so even then you cant just use DC math.

i'm not aware of a DC generator that puts out 100% consent current. Its normally an after effect that the energy is smoothed, but right out of the domino its not. its allays got some type of " pulse"

any hoo might be off subject. i'm not arguing the point, just discussing it.

maybe the question asked was not answered? can you re ask it differently? I may have missed it :)

~Russ

http://files.ncas.org/nbsreport/approach.html

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The resulting data are consistent with an interpretation that below about 100 hertz the coil acts as an inductor, with an inductance of about 2500 henries, while above about 1000 hertz it acts as a capacitor, with a capacitance of about 850 picofarads. The structure of the response between 100 hertz and 1000 hertz is presumably due to the combination of resistance, capacitance, and inductance within the coil.

so they used a low pass filter so that the spikes would not damage there instruments... yeah... i bet they did...

filtered out all the RF as well...

any hoo, there are a lot of details on that page, all kinds of ways they measured etc, its worth a look.
http://files.ncas.org/nbsreport/contents.html

~Russ

A low-pass filter could capture high frequency and high voltage transients aka. BEMF.

Needs a test setup to be proven.

chuff1

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The first thing we must contemplate is what exactly is a magnetic field.  Once this is done
then we can deduce what creates it.  After much research my hypothesis is this:  Magnetism
can not be created by just electrons flowing in a wire.  Due to the drift velocity of electrons,
they flow like molasses.  If it was just accelerated electrons then why does a stream inside of
a vacuum tube NOT create a massive EMF?   It has to be something different.

Generally a vacuum tube once excited has a very low resistance to current and it does produce the same magnetic field as any other conductor with a similar current. However vacuum and neon tubes are current limited for a very good reason I have seen first hand. On the introduction of large currents the small amount of residual gasses can over-expand and the tube explodes like a hand grenade and this is the reason why you do not see very large currents with large magnetic fields in most vacuum tubes.

On a side note Nikola Tesla once said the vacuum tube was a near perfect conductor once excited which begs the question as to whether those large copper tube primary coils he used had a vacuum within them?. However nobody ever seems to think of all these little details and they always seem to do the same things over and over expecting a different result. Unfortunately this never works out for them because in reality a different result demands we do something fundamentally different because... that is reality.

Which begs yet another question, if the vacuum tube is a near perfect conductor or superconductor as Tesla claimed then would the oscillations in the primary tank not oscillate longer?. You see the general problem is seldom the seemingly vast complexity of the problem it is how obvious the solution is staring you right in the face and being unable to recognize it for what it is.

@onepower :thumbsup:
~Russ

i had a discovery that i think is very important to share.

How can we turn potential in to current? Take a fine wire with great resistance. Make a very high inductance coil, charge the coil with high tension and low current.   Then connect the coils in parallel and extract the BEMF at low voltage high current!  Using a capacitor at a low charge will allow for this to happen. Dump the cap on next cycle so the voltage stays low.

when testing with the 10 coiler i was able to see how this works.  i had my 10kj cap bank connected on the fly-back. running 100V on the 10 coiler. at low voltage on flyback the current would drag out forever. so its not necessary to switch from high resistance to low, but its a boost i think... but you can do with out.

just a conversion process that i think Newman was NOT using, but i think it would help if you wanted to use high current for something. its a converter!

~Russ

The first link about resistance


https://www.allaboutcircu…its.com/textbook/direct-current/chpt-2/nonlinear-conduction/

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It might be more accurate to call the equation (R=E/I) a definition of resistance

The thing is this simple equation R=EI is taken as a proof by many the minded because it works
in the perfect world of algebra. Not perfect because the math proof assumes a perfect constant
resistance ratio when know resistance does not always happen that way in reality. There is so much
resistance to admitting this even with a lot of plain evidence.
   

Right we agree.

Attached are the photos of the current I was talking about with my past post.

Ignore the math. I had the probes switched.

So those are bad mesuremnts. But the current and voltage are corect.

Blue is current out. 
Green is current in.
Yellow Is voltage on charge
Pink is voltage On run batterys

Watts in = watts out. 

~Russ