Hey Russ,

It makes me smile :) to see someone of your caliber picking up on Joseph Newman's work.

I have been aware of this since waaay back.  Saw a video where Joseph had  a very early model in the bed of a pickup, driving it around a parking lot.  At about 2 MPH.  That was before he figured out how to get torque, so he couldn't gear it up for speed.   But it was running on a handful of 9VDC batteries connected in series.  More evidence he was using voltage instead of amperage.

1000 pounds of wire?  Seriously? 
Have you considered the magnetic mass you're going to need in the rotor? 
This thing is going to be a beast.

I am going to keep an eye on this discussion, so don't be surprised. 

 :itwashim:  >:D

Quote from ilustrious1 on November 7th, 2017, 11:51 AM

Hey Russ,

It makes me smile :) to see someone of your caliber picking up on Joseph Newman's work.

I have been aware of this since waaay back.  Saw a video where Joseph had  a very early model in the bed of a pickup, driving it around a parking lot.  At about 2 MPH.  That was before he figured out how to get torque, so he couldn't gear it up for speed.   But it was running on a handful of 9VDC batteries connected in series.  More evidence he was using voltage instead of amperage.

1000 pounds of wire?  Seriously? 
Have you considered the magnetic mass you're going to need in the rotor? 
This thing is going to be a beast.

I am going to keep an eye on this discussion, so don't be surprised. 

 :itwashim:  >:D

yes sir,
did you see this unit run in person?
did he have caps at that time in that video?

as you can see, i am very hopeful that is is the correct path. Through a lot of work onhttp://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3079 it has led me to the understanding of who and what is going on with Newman's work.

I'm currently in study about Newman and his Theory. so far its spot in. and makes ~100% sense.

including the things that are not in his book. he was a smart man. and he pushed as hard as he could for his entire life for a reason that only a few can truly see. it breaks my hart to see the frustration built up in him. however i feel 100% the same, and i will use him as a reference when i think i can not do it. GOD will open doors to us all, we just need to let it in. take down the walls. and let it go.

~Russ

PS. 1000LB... Seriously.... ( ok at least as much as i can get my hands on... ) i feel it gives us the best chance to see what we are looking for. it can be scaled, but it has a limit. so it better to start big and go small of one wants to.  but the bigger it is the better it works. i can see that from the gift i have been given by god... ( my bran, everyone has one... and my heart) :)

everyone still alive out there :)

we got work to do, show of hands, who has read Newman book? ( i'm still reading it)

~Russ

I have and found alot of his thoughts remind me of Edward Leedskalnin.

@ Russ

Sadly enough, I did not see this demonstration in person.

I don't remember if I saw any caps or not, but logic tells me that he had to at least have a small bank to capture and stabilize the BEMF to keep the batteries charged.

Yes, the 10 coiler.  I can see where Bedini's work would help in understanding Newman's work.

Newman was probably a mechanical genius, but, as stated by himself, was practically ignorant about the underpinnings of electronics.

Bedini is more into the electronics part, which is probably an easier concept for most to grasp than the mechanical equivalent that Newman uses to explains things. 

I personally believe Newman's mechanical description of magnetism is brilliant. If you have not seen the vid of him explaining it, I am sure you will during your research.  Listen carefully  :)  Sorry, no link to the vid. :(

There are lots of things to consider in any build, but this one is scarey complicated. I know, I considered doing this exact same thing myself.

Keep us posted, and I will try to help any way I can.

Almost forgot... In one of Newman's vids, I am sure he said the magnetic and wire mass were equal.  I will have to check on that, and get back @ ya.

Even though it's sometimes hard to tell,
I'm still alive and well

I have read, listened to and watched everything I could find about Joseph Newman and his work.

Can't say I understand a lot of it.  Joe is a difficult man to follow.

I am hoping that people in this discussion can clarify things for everyone, as there certainly seems to be something there.

yes i have seen and heard him describe it. its makes great sense. also its well described in the book. ( linked on the second post)

the copper and magnet are not = mass. but they might be = in the field they generate. i cant not verify this. and im not so sure its important.
 However anytime you have more energy than is needed to align all the atoms... its a waist. so its smart for the magnet to be = to the amount that the coil can generate. this i agree on and is something i did not think about ( yet) lol

Thanks for the notes!

~Russ

I have just found a link that is relevant to this problem we face.
This link talks about negative resistance
by using graphene.   I may have come up with a way to make a graphene sheet crudely.  Its as follows:
Take a glass plate and pour out a small amount of graphite powder onto the glass then buff the graphite
powder till it turns into a mirror shine and you should have yourself a graphene sheet to test with.

Yes I was aware of this. Good fine Chuff. ~Russ

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we got work to do, show of hands, who has read Newman book? ( i'm still reading it)

Read it and now rereading....  :clap2: showing hands lol.
Mechanically you electronics guys I believe need to understand his commutator. I have not read anything yet that takes away the importance of that segment relationship, caps were added but his commuter setup remained.The energy of the spinning particles  were used to drive load he did not let them or as few as possible return back to the.battery unless they had done work as he put it. His special note...His flux lines from the permanent magnet did not physically reach the mass...and the electro magnet flux did not physically reach the permanent magnet it was a interaction of both flux lines
/ particles meshing outside of their masses.. from pages approximately 60 to 75 covers this.
He asks pertinent questions in those pages if   you can't answer them then don't continue.
Reread till it makes sense....photo of book pdf is best..

Your ahead of me. Bit what I see is incredible...  ~Russ

Ok revise pg 59 - 80 That's the most relevant pages to understanding Newman IMHO.

And also understanding me when I have kept saying Current is our enemy.

If your mission is to create movement of loads based on current flow keep using conventional electronics, If you want to see the world differently think and open your minds to not using current except as a catalyst for aligning atoms in the circuit....The alignment of atoms will give you the magnetism for free....Then you can use that magnetism to do work...that's what Newman showed.
Newman tells you pg 59-60 over use of current is like extra pressure in a hydraulic system it's not needed. I see this in plumbing and because of this  I'm drawn on the same frame of mind.

Using Newman's teachings is about making electricity work as a two stage circuit not one.
Hopefully someone will say soon that they get me when I say we don't want too much current.at least in stage 1
Regards.

Sonnet.  Yes.  I'm not to that point to n the book yet but I already gathered this concept. 

I made a video last night that I will be publishing today. 
I descuss this concept,  however its from my viewpoint and may not be 100% corect to newmans theory. 

Its better to think first then see its right. ;)

Bust way to learn is try on your own first.

So don't hit me to hard when you see it. Hehe.

I think I was seeing things backworks with the wire. But I was also thinking how to scale it.

Video up soon... 

~Russ

It was said in the wrightings that the input was 1.8W and the arc's coming off the commutator were estimated at 80,000W
And I agree this to be possible. Just from my view. ~Russ

I remember researching Joseph Newman a very long time ago and it was the same old sad story I have read a hundred times. Newman was a good old fashioned southern boy who made a pledge to God to help humanity. Then when he found success the first thing he did was start a company with NDA's and patents and business people and investors and sold humanity down the river for profit. We see this hypocrisy throughout history and from the burden of proof one could assume these men of God have little interest in truly helping humanity. The fact remains that the very large and very wealthy christian community could easily feed the world and do away with poverty however they choose to do nothing.

It is the same old sad story of hypocrisy and greed under the guise of a belief and then they say I should not judge... but I do judge. If history is the grand jury then religion must be found in contempt because it has never done anything it has claimed to do. So maybe it is best we leave God out of this and follow our heart and do what we know is right because it seems obvious from our history that religion has little credibility.

Our savior will not be a man of God but a man of the people working for the people above all else. Let God eat cake because down here on Earth we have big problems that require real solutions not wishful thinking.

One power, i will do my best to agree with you in the sense of thinking, and I do agree that its the people who will get it out there.

But i will also say that i believe in a god that's bigger than us all. and we are doing things not for us.  if we are doing it for " us" then it wont get done.

This unselfish act is something that can not be explained so easily, and those who have done it understand why. and I'm not talking about 99.99% I'm talking about 110%


on Newman yes i agree about the NDA's and the rest and makes more scene why its still lost information and why it never went anywhere.

Its conformation why he was the way he was, and why nothing got done. and i agree, also note he grew up in a time where patents were 100% necessary.  However, I also agree that his theory works well enough for the real world to get the result he got. ( he might even be close to 100% correct, but i'm guessing that there is more to it, but for the rest of us and him its the best way to understand what a field is, and how it acts on other things. and that's enough to get this done... he showed it. )

so I'm in agreement about what you said, and I'm in agreement that his motor worked as he said it did.

its funny about 3 years ago i was messing with a coil of wire, and realized that i could get a HUGE arc with a tinny battery. ever scene then i had a hunch that that was a huge factor in this. But for some reason timing was not right to go down that path. I now see why. Things have to play out the way they do...

step out, make the leap, it will reword you.

~Russ

@ One Power
Your post threw me for a while
I have stated previously I'm not religious and I know some on here are. I respect their beliefs.
So when I say I believe in a god it's because I choose to see the God in all of us.

Even you Onepower are a god, you have the ability to create and the means to make people you love happy.
I always say to people "Try walking in my shoes" when they are judging me and as such when I look at Newman I see a man who was forced to create and provide for himself and was isolated from the trust he was in need of learning, he only saw people who would use him and yes in life there are plenty who will.
What he failed to obtain was the enlightenment needed to take him to a path he should have walked. the steps to this enlightenment where in front of him and he saw a lot which others missed but what he didn't realise was the height of each step of enlightenment and because of this the next step for him was unattainable. he was a tall enough man but he wasn't able to climb that next step. Because as I've learnt sometimes you gotta get onto the shoulders of others to reach a goal together. The fruits of a tree can be on a high branch and when you work together they become attainable.

Like me in my life I do everything, I've never employed a tradesman, a mechanic or asked anything of people that I couldn't do myself. People all my life just wanted wanted and I saw them as a pain. Why don't you do it yourself I'd think. They just want to use me. Many did. I had a distrust of people  like I'm sure Newman did. But sometimes you got to share or work together. but to do that you need the belief that ultimately some good will come from that trust. So I ask you and others on here to have a belief and a trust in the the path we all want. We all want to see the future change and together this is possible.
Sorry for this philosophical rant but I wanted to add some positiveness onto your post.
When you guys are reveling in your glory of your achievements I shall slip quietly away with a satisfied smile on my face. happy because I knew you in some small way. My contribution if only positiveness.
Regards
 

@sonnet, yes, i agree.

we are all here for the better of us all. ( and our kids)

however we get there is fine with me.... no point in arguing that! :)

~Russ

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@sonnet, yes, i agree.

we are all here for the better of US all. ( and our kids)

however we get there is fine with me.... no point in arguing that! :)

~Russ

rUSs

Free Energy Plasma Experiment.9
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg2cWlJ-UUA

what will happen, putting a reed switch in de middle of a small Rodin coil... :cool:

My Micro 3/8" Starship Coil! Tinny Rodin Coil 1.5" & New Coil Designs!
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM9w9bO8vt8

8 nov 2010

seVen is heVen

ITs all about fun... :)

Russ

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One power, i will do my best to agree with you in the sense of thinking, and I do agree that its the people who will get it out there.
But i will also say that i believe in a god that's bigger than us all. and we are doing things not for us.  if we are doing it for " us" then it wont get done.
This unselfish act is something that can not be explained so easily, and those who have done it understand why. and I'm not talking about 99.99% I'm talking about 110%

I agree and I'm kind of on the fence concerning gods, not so much one way or the other but open minded I hope. It isn't even so much about religion or beliefs but rather people claiming to have certain values then doing the complete opposite and screwing everyone over. Maybe I'm just old fashioned but if I'm going to claim to have any values or credibility then I should damn well hold to them. It's simply mind boggling that out of all the past inventors not one of them had the balls nor the integrity to do the right thing.

Who knows... maybe someone here has the right stuff?. In any case it's coming with or without us one way or another that is for certain. I have no doubts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iT7nNwu_qI

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If your mission is to create movement of loads based on current flow keep using conventional electronics, If you want to see the world differently think and open your minds to not using current except as a catalyst for aligning atoms in the circuit....The alignment of atoms will give you the magnetism for free....Then you can use that magnetism to do work...that's what Newman showed.
Newman tells you pg 59-60 over use of current is like extra pressure in a hydraulic system it's not needed. I see this in plumbing and because of this  I'm drawn on the same frame of mind.

I enjoyed that video immensely. And in places it was a little freaky as you captured my thoughts. Weird as you had made that video before I had posted and I had then also posted my thoughts before you had uploaded the video. So neither of us consciously had spoke.
Things are changing now the web is being driven by a new way of thinking. Soon people will be looking at their circuits differently. A new world is coming.
Ok slap me down, talking all mumbo jumbo.
Tis late and my bed was calling hours ago...will give my answers after rest..regards

After watching the video I started reading again Tesla's Colorado notes and found a very relevant
passage that starts on page 60 or in the book its starts on page 65.  It talks about how bad
the Distributed capacity of coils can take up the entire charge and not let the coil ends have
any energy left to use. 

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What is a field?

Suppose the entire universe is composed of extremely tiny balls of Aether.  Being capable of spin, they possess gyroscopic principals just as a large "hold in your hand" gyroscope.  When the tiny gyroscopic balls of Aether form a union of alignment, a string with common orientation, we can regard this as the beginning of this mystery concept known as a field.  These tiny balls of Aether have unlimited possible arrangements, likewise fields have unlimited configurations and patterns that form all matter and energy in the known universe.

Joe explains it as above.  There are some other aspects that have tormented my mind for some time.  If you can handle it, have a read:
https://www.wanttoknow.info/energy/wilbur_smith_new_science
(please read every topic there that deals with fields or spin)  [if you can mentally comprehend time as a field, then you've got it made]

If you have been reading Joe's book, this quote should get your attention:

Quote from Wilbert Brockhouse Smith

At this point it might be well to make a blatant statement, and leave the derivation of it until much later, in order to facilitate understanding of what this discussion of spin is leading up to. Since spin is the only concept which we have in this universe which is absolute, it is fairly obvious that it must be the primordial building material of matter and energy, and a unit of spin must be the basic unit of these manifestations. All that we have in this material universe, whether matter or energy, is made up of spin, various units of which are fitted together in manners becoming to each and every form of matter or energy with which we are familiar, and many of which we do not even yet suspect.

Gradient, Divergence & Curl as the three primordial fields.  Same stuff, differing arrangement with differing significance.

What Joe brings to the table is a means to think of these fields visually/mechanically.  This is so necessary in order to engineer how we want these fields to interact and behave.

I'm a mechanical mined guy.

So joes way is eazy to grasp...  ;)

Will have to read some links posted for sure.

~Russ