How can you have the same Capacitance value of each cell if each cell is not the same or very close to it? Tad Johnson said you MUST match capactive reactance and inductive reactance, and he is correct. In order to do that you have to know the XC value of the cells individualy and they all have to be the same. When working with one cell its not much of a problem, but when you have more than one as Stan did in parallel they have to be real close to being the same or your XC value will change, which changes the resonate freq. Stan had switches that he could turn on each cell and if you noticed in his video all cells produced the same amount of gas. Now ask yourself how can one cell produce the same gas as the other if the XC is not the same or very close. Now in the case with the delrin resonate cavity cells they were hooked up in series, each cell was machined the same which means each cell had the same XC value by hooking them up in series he could adjust his XC by leaving cells off, as you can see one of his cells in the resonate cavity is not used. The XC is the KEY to getting this to work once you know the XC then you can move on to LC formula in order to build your transformer network. Resonace is between the cell and your inductor not in the cell itself. Its when the cell capacitor charges to full potential and discharges to zero or near zero and then charges the inductor to full potential and back to zero or near zero. Thats the resonance you are looking for. While all the charge is in the cell capacitor you are adding a additional charge to the inductor while it is at zero volts from your secondary and as capacitor discharges to Zero and back into the inductor the voltage is increased and it keeps increasing as it goes back and forth from capacitor to inductor because of the blocking diode and amp restriction. When you get this back and forth going on between XC and LC you will see a step charging on your scope with the pobes in the right location. You can not throw a bunch of pipes together and expect this to work. It is a LC circuit and has to be matched. Another food for thought, "If you put your finger into the water bath and it dont shock the piss out of you then its not working."

Quote from gpssonar on December 6th, 2012, 02:28 AM

How can you have the same Capacitance value of each cell if each cell is not the same or very close to it? Tad Johnson said you MUST match capactive reactance and inductive reactance, and he is correct. In order to do that you have to know the XC value of the cells individualy and they all have to be the same. When working with one cell its not much of a problem, but when you have more than one as Stan did in parallel they have to be real close to being the same or your XC value will change, which changes the resonate freq. Stan had switches that he could turn on each cell and if you noticed in his video all cells produced the same amount of gas. Now ask yourself how can one cell produce the same gas as the other if the XC is not the same or very close. Now in the case with the delrin resonate cavity cells they were hooked up in series, each cell was machined the same which means each cell had the same XC value by hooking them up in series he could adjust his XC by leaving cells off, as you can see one of his cells in the resonate cavity is not used. The XC is the KEY to getting this to work once you know the XC then you can move on to LC formula in order to build your transformer network. Resonace is between the cell and your inductor not in the cell itself. Its when the cell capacitor charges to full potential and discharges to zero or near zero and then charges the inductor to full potential and back to zero or near zero. Thats the resonance you are looking for. While all the charge is in the cell capacitor you are adding a additional charge to the inductor while it is at zero volts from your secondary and as capacitor discharges to Zero and back into the inductor the voltage is increased and it keeps increasing as it goes back and forth from capacitor to inductor because of the blocking diode and amp restriction. When you get this back and forth going on between XC and LC you will see a step charging on your scope with the pobes in the right location. You can not throw a bunch of pipes together and expect this to work. It is a LC circuit and has to be matched. Another food for thought, "If you put your finger into the water bath and it dont shock the piss out of you then its not working."

The notches at the top of the tubes may be a method of  equalizing gas production
by making subtle changes in tube set capacitance to ensure that XC is the same for the tube sets by making "tweaks" as Stan mentions.

Quote from gpssonar on December 6th, 2012, 02:28 AM

How can you have the same Capacitance value of each cell if each cell is not the same or very close to it? Tad Johnson said you MUST match capactive reactance and inductive reactance, and he is correct. In order to do that you have to know the XC value of the cells individualy and they all have to be the same. When working with one cell its not much of a problem, but when you have more than one as Stan did in parallel they have to be real close to being the same or your XC value will change, which changes the resonate freq. Stan had switches that he could turn on each cell and if you noticed in his video all cells produced the same amount of gas. Now ask yourself how can one cell produce the same gas as the other if the XC is not the same or very close. Now in the case with the delrin resonate cavity cells they were hooked up in series, each cell was machined the same which means each cell had the same XC value by hooking them up in series he could adjust his XC by leaving cells off, as you can see one of his cells in the resonate cavity is not used. The XC is the KEY to getting this to work once you know the XC then you can move on to LC formula in order to build your transformer network. Resonace is between the cell and your inductor not in the cell itself. Its when the cell capacitor charges to full potential and discharges to zero or near zero and then charges the inductor to full potential and back to zero or near zero. Thats the resonance you are looking for. While all the charge is in the cell capacitor you are adding a additional charge to the inductor while it is at zero volts from your secondary and as capacitor discharges to Zero and back into the inductor the voltage is increased and it keeps increasing as it goes back and forth from capacitor to inductor because of the blocking diode and amp restriction. When you get this back and forth going on between XC and LC you will see a step charging on your scope with the pobes in the right location. You can not throw a bunch of pipes together and expect this to work. It is a LC circuit and has to be matched. Another food for thought, "If you put your finger into the water bath and it dont shock the piss out of you then its not working."

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In order to do that you have to know the XC value of the cells individualy and they all have to be the same. When working with one cell its not much of a problem

How do we do this, since capacitance is changing if you increase or decrease frequencies? NOT constant!

Regards,
Webmug

oscilloscope or high accuracy amps merter can do that.

thanks
geenee

Quote from geenee on December 7th, 2012, 06:46 AM

oscilloscope or high accuracy amps merter can do that.

thanks
geenee

Please explain!
Variable frequency (100,120,1k,10k) gives variable capacitance with a RLC meter?

Regards

i think 'if need resonant in series that need to observe highest amps(ac current) or use oscilloscope to find highest voltage above choke'.

just thought.
thanks
geenee

Quote from Dog-One on November 27th, 2012, 10:16 PM

Quote from MeyerandMe on November 27th, 2012, 02:25 PM

Ok, my EE hopes to test some circuits today.
He will finish switch wiring on the cell.
Here are some photos of assembled cell.
Cheers,
JP

That really is a splendid cell JP.  Unfortunately, the cell is the easy part of this, now the real work begins...

Yes., very true.
This is where we are as of the date from my EE:

Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012, 4:27 PM

Hi J,

I've been doing some basic "calibration" exercises with the WFC. I've seen lots of youtubes now of people making bubbles but very little if any real measurements of gas output relative to electric power in (very frustrating from a scientific perspective).

So I've created a setup which you can see in the attached pictures which allows me to measure gas flow rate. I've powered the cells over a range of DC input voltage (no fancy circuitry) just to get a baseline so that when I start to experiment with pulsing coils and such I will have a way of knowing how meaningful the results are. So far (again just with low voltage DC applied directly to the cell(s)) I get about 10%-20% efficiency in terms of the thermal power potential output of hydrogen gas, divided by the electric power driving the cell(s). This aligns with conventional electrolysis, so I'm happy that I probably have a decent measurement setup moving forward.

Each of the 9 cells seems to be producing gas equivalently, and I've taken the unit up to 10psi with no signs of water or gas leakage, so as far as mechanical workmanship goes, it's a success!  ;)

I still haven't gotten through all of your last flurry of emails, but I plan to before I start (re)creating pulsed coil circuit(s).


Here are photos of this beginning DC electrolysis with a single tube set active.
I didn't ask but I don't think he used any electrolyte or other chemicals to enhance the process.
Cheers,
JP

Quote from MeyerandMe on December 7th, 2012, 10:42 AM

This is where we are as of the date from my EE:
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012, 4:27 PM

Hi J,

I've been doing some basic "calibration" exercises with the WFC. I've seen lots of youtubes now of people making bubbles but very little if any real measurements of gas output relative to electric power in (very frustrating from a scientific perspective).

So I've created a setup which you can see in the attached pictures which allows me to measure gas flow rate. I've powered the cells over a range of DC input voltage (no fancy circuitry) just to get a baseline so that when I start to experiment with pulsing coils and such I will have a way of knowing how meaningful the results are. So far (again just with low voltage DC applied directly to the cell(s)) I get about 10%-20% efficiency in terms of the thermal power potential output of hydrogen gas, divided by the electric power driving the cell(s). This aligns with conventional electrolysis, so I'm happy that I probably have a decent measurement setup moving forward.

Each of the 9 cells seems to be producing gas equivalently, and I've taken the unit up to 10psi with no signs of water or gas leakage, so as far as mechanical workmanship goes, it's a success!  ;)

I still haven't gotten through all of your last flurry of emails, but I plan to before I start (re)creating pulsed coil circuit(s).


Here are photos of this beginning DC electrolysis with a single tube set active.
I didn't ask but I don't think he used any electrolyte or other chemicals to enhance the process.
Cheers,
JP

JP, attached is a little zipped application I use to baseline HHO dry cells and if the cells are good, this will be pretty much spot-on.

Also, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will highly suggest, do not pressurize HHO.  The ten PSI in that cell has enough explosive power to completely wipe out your shop and anyone nearby.  I know it can be done and lots of folks have done it without accident, but a couple at least are no longer with us.  Also, please get you a flashback arrestor mounted on there.



From those pictures I would conclude you have the easy part complete.  If you wouldn't mind, walk us through your plan and progress for the electronics.

Quote from Dog-One on December 7th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Quote from MeyerandMe on December 7th, 2012, 10:42 AM

This is where we are as of the date from my EE:
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012, 4:27 PM

Hi J,

I've been doing some basic "calibration" exercises with the WFC. I've seen lots of youtubes now of people making bubbles but very little if any real measurements of gas output relative to electric power in (very frustrating from a scientific perspective).

So I've created a setup which you can see in the attached pictures which allows me to measure gas flow rate. I've powered the cells over a range of DC input voltage (no fancy circuitry) just to get a baseline so that when I start to experiment with pulsing coils and such I will have a way of knowing how meaningful the results are. So far (again just with low voltage DC applied directly to the cell(s)) I get about 10%-20% efficiency in terms of the thermal power potential output of hydrogen gas, divided by the electric power driving the cell(s). This aligns with conventional electrolysis, so I'm happy that I probably have a decent measurement setup moving forward.

Each of the 9 cells seems to be producing gas equivalently, and I've taken the unit up to 10psi with no signs of water or gas leakage, so as far as mechanical workmanship goes, it's a success!  ;)

I still haven't gotten through all of your last flurry of emails, but I plan to before I start (re)creating pulsed coil circuit(s).


Here are photos of this beginning DC electrolysis with a single tube set active.
I didn't ask but I don't think he used any electrolyte or other chemicals to enhance the process.
Cheers,
JP

JP, attached is a little zipped application I use to baseline HHO dry cells and if the cells are good, this will be pretty much spot-on.

Also, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will highly suggest, do not pressurize HHO.  The ten PSI in that cell has enough explosive power to completely wipe out your shop and anyone nearby.  I know it can be done and lots of folks have done it without accident, but a couple at least are no longer with us.  Also, please get you a flashback arrestor mounted on there.



From those pictures I would conclude you have the easy part complete.  If you wouldn't mind, walk us through your plan and progress for the electronics.

That program is of no use for Meyer's electrical polarization process as current is of no use.
As for pressurizing the cells it's something that Meyer did as he had the guy on back keeping the back pressure between 13-14 psi while he was driving the car: http://youtu.be/LjEntiJd17E
I also made a basic quenching circuit as it is easy to make just get some delrin and drill a lot of 0.015 holes in it that is around 1/8"-1/4" thick. I made mines out of a truck one way valve. I just took out the sealing part and replaced it with a 1/4" delrin of the same size and drilled something like 57 holes in it I kinda lost count but it works just as Meyer says it does as I haven't had any flash backs ever since I made it.

Best regards,
IED

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 02:31 AM

Quote from Dog-One on December 7th, 2012, 11:46 AM

Quote from MeyerandMe on December 7th, 2012, 10:42 AM

This is where we are as of the date from my EE:
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012, 4:27 PM

Hi J,

I've been doing some basic "calibration" exercises with the WFC. I've seen lots of youtubes now of people making bubbles but very little if any real measurements of gas output relative to electric power in (very frustrating from a scientific perspective).

So I've created a setup which you can see in the attached pictures which allows me to measure gas flow rate. I've powered the cells over a range of DC input voltage (no fancy circuitry) just to get a baseline so that when I start to experiment with pulsing coils and such I will have a way of knowing how meaningful the results are. So far (again just with low voltage DC applied directly to the cell(s)) I get about 10%-20% efficiency in terms of the thermal power potential output of hydrogen gas, divided by the electric power driving the cell(s). This aligns with conventional electrolysis, so I'm happy that I probably have a decent measurement setup moving forward.

Each of the 9 cells seems to be producing gas equivalently, and I've taken the unit up to 10psi with no signs of water or gas leakage, so as far as mechanical workmanship goes, it's a success!  ;)

I still haven't gotten through all of your last flurry of emails, but I plan to before I start (re)creating pulsed coil circuit(s).


Here are photos of this beginning DC electrolysis with a single tube set active.
I didn't ask but I don't think he used any electrolyte or other chemicals to enhance the process.
Cheers,
JP

JP, attached is a little zipped application I use to baseline HHO dry cells and if the cells are good, this will be pretty much spot-on.

Also, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but I will highly suggest, do not pressurize HHO.  The ten PSI in that cell has enough explosive power to completely wipe out your shop and anyone nearby.  I know it can be done and lots of folks have done it without accident, but a couple at least are no longer with us.  Also, please get you a flashback arrestor mounted on there.



From those pictures I would conclude you have the easy part complete.  If you wouldn't mind, walk us through your plan and progress for the electronics.

That program is of no use for Meyer's electrical polarization process as current is of no use.
As for pressurizing the cells it's something that Meyer did as he had the guy on back keeping the back pressure between 13-14 psi while he was driving the car: http://youtu.be/LjEntiJd17E
I also made a basic quenching circuit as it is easy to make just get some delrin and drill a lot of 0.015 holes in it that is around 1/8"-1/4" thick. I made mines out of a truck one way valve. I just took out the sealing part and replaced it with a 1/4" delrin of the same size and drilled something like 57 holes in it I kinda lost count but it works just as Meyer says it does as I haven't had any flash backs ever since I made it.

Best regards,
IED

Can you show photos of the delrin disk,  "basic quenching circuit" , "truck one way valve" please shoe details so we can replicate it.

Quote from MeyerandMe on December 7th, 2012, 10:42 AM

Quote from Dog-One on November 27th, 2012, 10:16 PM

Quote from MeyerandMe on November 27th, 2012, 02:25 PM

Ok, my EE hopes to test some circuits today.
He will finish switch wiring on the cell.
Here are some photos of assembled cell.
Cheers,
JP

That really is a splendid cell JP.  Unfortunately, the cell is the easy part of this, now the real work begins...

Yes., very true.
This is where we are as of the date from my EE:

Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2012, 4:27 PM

Hi J,

I've been doing some basic "calibration" exercises with the WFC. I've seen lots of youtubes now of people making bubbles but very little if any real measurements of gas output relative to electric power in (very frustrating from a scientific perspective).

So I've created a setup which you can see in the attached pictures which allows me to measure gas flow rate. I've powered the cells over a range of DC input voltage (no fancy circuitry) just to get a baseline so that when I start to experiment with pulsing coils and such I will have a way of knowing how meaningful the results are. So far (again just with low voltage DC applied directly to the cell(s)) I get about 10%-20% efficiency in terms of the thermal power potential output of hydrogen gas, divided by the electric power driving the cell(s). This aligns with conventional electrolysis, so I'm happy that I probably have a decent measurement setup moving forward.

Each of the 9 cells seems to be producing gas equivalently, and I've taken the unit up to 10psi with no signs of water or gas leakage, so as far as mechanical workmanship goes, it's a success!  ;)

I still haven't gotten through all of your last flurry of emails, but I plan to before I start (re)creating pulsed coil circuit(s).


Here are photos of this beginning DC electrolysis with a single tube set active.
I didn't ask but I don't think he used any electrolyte or other chemicals to enhance the process.
Cheers,
JP

Great work, JP.
that picture is only direct current?noPLL??

thanks
geenee

I don't think it is necessary for me to show something so simple as we all have read the SMTB correct?

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Quenching Circuit
Spark-Ignition of the Fuel-Cell gases (B/D) is prevented when the "Gas Retarding Process" is
used in conjunction with a "Quenching Circuit", as illustrated in Figure (2-3), (2-4), (2-5) and 26).
The non-combustible gases (D) separates and prevents the hydrogen atoms to unite with
oxygen atoms to "bring-on" or "initiate" Gas-Ignition. The narrow passaway (at least 1/8 inch long and
having a 0.015" diameter) prevents the moving gas atoms from "Re-Grouping". The alignment of the
Fuel-Cell gases (BID) inside the tubular-passaway is, hereinafter, called "The Quenching Circuit". The
Quenching Circuit "Anti-Spark technique" is "independent" of both Gas-Velocity and Gas-Pressure.

All that needs to be done is lathe out a Delrin ® part that is over 1/8 inch in the path of the drilled 0.015 inch wholes and seal the thing up with o rings. Now mines is a bit over 1/4 inch deep almost 3/8 of an inch but you get the point. All we have to do is be willing to try the things we read. For me the truck one wave valve gave me a body to put the Delrin ® cut out in it so that it was easy for me to seal up.

It isn't very hard to do but finding the drill was hard as I had to go metric with some .5 mm drills from harbor freight but it worked. I think we have to start trusting Meyer at a bit more until we have tried it and it fails.

Best regards,
IED

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 02:31 AM

That program is of no use for Meyer's electrical polarization process as current is of no use.
As for pressurizing the cells it's something that Meyer did as he had the guy on back keeping the back pressure between 13-14 psi while he was driving the car:

JP's engineer was just trying to set a baseline with brute force electrolysis and for that, the program I attached is very applicable.

These are on-demand systems and when you are testing a newly assembled cell, pressurizing it prior to knowing for sure there are no potentials for arcing within the cell is living dangerously.  JP has put a lot of money and time into this already and no one here wants to see any sort of serious set back due to an accident or unknown flaw.

So I ask, Mr. Improvised Explosive Device, have you built a functional Stan Meyer water fuel cell and are you willing to step up to the plate and show what you have done?  A lot of us have poured our guts into this project with little more than a handful of receipts to show for it.

Quote from Dog-One on December 8th, 2012, 01:37 PM

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 02:31 AM

That program is of no use for Meyer's electrical polarization process as current is of no use.
As for pressurizing the cells it's something that Meyer did as he had the guy on back keeping the back pressure between 13-14 psi while he was driving the car:

JP's engineer was just trying to set a baseline with brute force electrolysis and for that, the program I attached is very applicable.

These are on-demand systems and when you are testing a newly assembled cell, pressurizing it prior to knowing for sure there are no potentials for arcing within the cell is living dangerously.  JP has put a lot of money and time into this already and no one here wants to see any sort of serious set back due to an accident or unknown flaw.

So I ask, Mr. Improvised Explosive Device, have you built a functional Stan Meyer water fuel cell and are you willing to step up to the plate and show what you have done?  A lot of us have poured our guts into this project with little more than a handful of receipts to show for it.

Hello Dog-one,

Why would someone put their Meyer cell through brute force electrolysis? Who knows it just might mess the unit up? I mean look at it this way, normal electrolysis gets hot correct? And I can see in his WFC that he used what look like Delrin screws to hold the spacing between the tubes constant from top to bottom. The expansion rate of the two materials are different and what if the heat generated makes several of the tubes warp? I know I wouldn't chance that with my cell as that would totally mess things up as far as each of the little capacitors matching and all. Plus I know that building up a coating aids normal electrolysis but it seems to hurt the electrical polarization process as the two processes seem to be totally the opposite from each other in how they work and if he ran it like normal electrolysis it would start to build up a coating on the plates again why would anyone risk such damage to a Meyer type unit as these things aren't cheap you know?

Anyway I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

All the best,
IED

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Why would someone put their Meyer cell through brute force electrolysis?

I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

Brute force tells you a lot about what a cell is capable of and makes for an excellent baseline so when you are pumping out 3LpM later on at 140watts, you can think back when it took three times that much power brute force with the same cell.

The whole gang here will be happy share with you your success.  As I told JP, the cell might be the expensive part, but it is really just the easy part.  Developing just the right exciter circuit for the cell is where you learn your humility.  If you dig around, you will find several posts where folks just lose it trying to make the VIC or whatever you want to call it work.  There are a thousand theories and ideas; many contradict each other.  Closing your eyes and seeing a path to success is ever elusive.  Someday, someone is going to get this to work and carefully explain how all the pieces fit together, until then it is everyone trying and testing and discovering.  Seventeen hundred bones is a lot of dough for cell, try not to get too bummed out if it don't do what you expect straight away.  My $1200 plus cell is sitting in a cardboard box right now, because until I see another way to energize it, I need the bench space for other things.

Welcome aboard, you're in for a wild ride.

Quote from Dog-One on December 8th, 2012, 04:21 PM

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Why would someone put their Meyer cell through brute force electrolysis?

I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

Brute force tells you a lot about what a cell is capable of and makes for an excellent baseline so when you are pumping out 3LpM later on at 140watts, you can think back when it took three times that much power brute force with the same cell.

The whole gang here will be happy share with you your success.  As I told JP, the cell might be the expensive part, but it is really just the easy part.  Developing just the right exciter circuit for the cell is where you learn your humility.  If you dig around, you will find several posts where folks just lose it trying to make the VIC or whatever you want to call it work.  There are a thousand theories and ideas; many contradict each other.  Closing your eyes and seeing a path to success is ever elusive.  Someday, someone is going to get this to work and carefully explain how all the pieces fit together, until then it is everyone trying and testing and discovering.  Seventeen hundred bones is a lot of dough for cell, try not to get too bummed out if it don't do what you expect straight away.  My $1200 plus cell is sitting in a cardboard box right now, because until I see another way to energize it, I need the bench space for other things.

Welcome aboard, you're in for a wild ride.

I would have to concur Dog-one, we've all been there. My 9 cell is sitting on the work bench waiting to be wired up when I get time. Just sitting on the back burner for now.

Quote

Capacitors
See also Capacitor networks
Capacitors follow the same law using the reciprocals. The total capacitance of capacitors in series is equal to the reciprocal of the sum of the reciprocals of their individual capacitances:

.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Series_and_parallel_circuits

This is how the series cells make sense to me. Each capacitor has water inside as resistance but we don't know the actual resistance of water so I put it in a algebraic equation where the resistance of water equals 'a' and 'd' equals the distance between the plates and for the cell I order this distance will be 0.095" so the equation will look something like this: .095a/C + .095a/C.... .095a/Cn where 'n' equals 10 capacitors total. They must have a very good machinist to keep the tolerances to +/- 0.0005" on the distance between each of the cells as I know I can't do that with what I have to work with.
Now Meyer always talks about water being a part of the circuit and now I can see why after reading this: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=998&postcount=5 I have to concur with him as this way does show water as being apart of the circuit. This is the main reason I brought their WFC as the distance between each of the capacitors should be as close to the same as possible since distance is times the water's resistance. So what ever resistance water has keeping the distance between the plates is very important as well as everything else about the water capacitors. Like you I sure hope this doesn't become some expensive good looking paper weight also but we have to take chances in life and this time I feel I made the right choice as I can't build anything like that with that much precision. Anyway only time will tell and I am willing to ride the rapids in this wild ride :D.

Best regards,
IED

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Anyway I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

All the best,
IED

iED,
What is the expected delivery date of your new ER10?  According to the website, you may be waiting an indefinite amount of time:

Quote

Quantity sold needs to be 10 before orders will be made and then shipped. Quantity sold: 2

$1735.00+S&H and taxes if they apply

The company seems to plan on sitting on $15,615 (+shipping) of 9 people's hard earned money until person #10 comes along and purchases a unit.  After 10 sales, production of the units begins from there?  Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now?  I hope you see it soon, that's a lot of money not earning interest in the ole Credit Union..



Nate

Quote from firepinto on December 10th, 2012, 03:58 PM

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Anyway I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

All the best,
IED

iED,
What is the expected delivery date of your new ER10?  According to the website, you may be waiting an indefinite amount of time:

Quote

Quantity sold needs to be 10 before orders will be made and then shipped. Quantity sold: 2

$1735.00+S&H and taxes if they apply

The company seems to plan on sitting on $15,615 (+shipping) of 9 people's hard earned money until person #10 comes along and purchases a unit.  After 10 sales, production of the units begins from there?  Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now?  I hope you see it soon, that's a lot of money not earning interest in the ole Credit Union..



Nate

Hi Nate,

I was told I would be refunded my money in full after sixty days if 10 units were not sold in that time frame. So I either get the unit or get my money back so it sounds good to me as the company is the only one in the world with such a unit to buy. They also told me when the rest of the unit for a complete kit becomes available I can buy the VIC transformer and circuitry at cost plus shipping.
After looking at some of the videos I have to say I have seen no one getting voltages that high in a cell before and the science really is sound. To me it looks like they just  need support and then the world would have the technology. Since I can get my money back I figured why not as it looks like they have done their homework big time.
I am hoping to get the unit and not my money back as I can't build a cell like that. Plus the promise of getting a matching VIC transformer and circuitry at a lower price was just too much to pass up. Before I brought brought the unit I was in contact with them for months asking questions about the science h2opower posted as a lot of it I just didn't understand. He was happy to help me understand things and make things clear to me and after talking to him I am sure he understands this technology but a lot of what he was saying was over my head though. Anyway I felt I can trust him as he was answering most of my questions in a way I could understand them. So I figure why not give him a chance as he sure seems to know his stuff.

Best regards,
IED

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 02:31 AM

Steve Swepston, Charlie Holbrook, Jack Cook, Edward Parkinson..........I wonder
how many more there were around Meyer back then and how much any of these
Gentlemen actually knows about his WFC tech?

We're fortunate to have you here JP, by the looks of it it's you and Steve Meyer
from the "original crew" who's keeping up the good work and you're generous
enough to let us in on it, many thanks for that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qg5VfGctOY

Quote from IED on December 10th, 2012, 07:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 10th, 2012, 03:58 PM

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Anyway I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

All the best,
IED

iED,
What is the expected delivery date of your new ER10?  According to the website, you may be waiting an indefinite amount of time:

Quote

Quantity sold needs to be 10 before orders will be made and then shipped. Quantity sold: 2

$1735.00+S&H and taxes if they apply

The company seems to plan on sitting on $15,615 (+shipping) of 9 people's hard earned money until person #10 comes along and purchases a unit.  After 10 sales, production of the units begins from there?  Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now?  I hope you see it soon, that's a lot of money not earning interest in the ole Credit Union..



Nate

Hi Nate,

I was told I would be refunded my money in full after sixty days if 10 units were not sold in that time frame. So I either get the unit or get my money back so it sounds good to me as the company is the only one in the world with such a unit to buy. They also told me when the rest of the unit for a complete kit becomes available I can buy the VIC transformer and circuitry at cost plus shipping.
After looking at some of the videos I have to say I have seen no one getting voltages that high in a cell before and the science really is sound. To me it looks like they just  need support and then the world would have the technology. Since I can get my money back I figured why not as it looks like they have done their homework big time.
I am hoping to get the unit and not my money back as I can't build a cell like that. Plus the promise of getting a matching VIC transformer and circuitry at a lower price was just too much to pass up. Before I brought brought the unit I was in contact with them for months asking questions about the science h2opower posted as a lot of it I just didn't understand. He was happy to help me understand things and make things clear to me and after talking to him I am sure he understands this technology but a lot of what he was saying was over my head though. Anyway I felt I can trust him as he was answering most of my questions in a way I could understand them. So I figure why not give him a chance as he sure seems to know his stuff.

Best regards,
IED

IED,
Have you received the unit you purchased or gotten the 60 day refund?  I notice their website pushed back the refund date to April 30th 2013.   They still have only sold 2 units, wonder who the other poor fella is.
Hopefully you get it and can show some results.  I'd be fighting to get my money back personally.


Nate

Quote from firepinto on February 7th, 2013, 06:23 PM

Quote from IED on December 10th, 2012, 07:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 10th, 2012, 03:58 PM

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Anyway I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

All the best,
IED

iED,
What is the expected delivery date of your new ER10?  According to the website, you may be waiting an indefinite amount of time:

Quote

Quantity sold needs to be 10 before orders will be made and then shipped. Quantity sold: 2

$1735.00+S&H and taxes if they apply

The company seems to plan on sitting on $15,615 (+shipping) of 9 people's hard earned money until person #10 comes along and purchases a unit.  After 10 sales, production of the units begins from there?  Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now?  I hope you see it soon, that's a lot of money not earning interest in the ole Credit Union..



Nate

Hi Nate,

I was told I would be refunded my money in full after sixty days if 10 units were not sold in that time frame. So I either get the unit or get my money back so it sounds good to me as the company is the only one in the world with such a unit to buy. They also told me when the rest of the unit for a complete kit becomes available I can buy the VIC transformer and circuitry at cost plus shipping.
After looking at some of the videos I have to say I have seen no one getting voltages that high in a cell before and the science really is sound. To me it looks like they just  need support and then the world would have the technology. Since I can get my money back I figured why not as it looks like they have done their homework big time.
I am hoping to get the unit and not my money back as I can't build a cell like that. Plus the promise of getting a matching VIC transformer and circuitry at a lower price was just too much to pass up. Before I brought brought the unit I was in contact with them for months asking questions about the science h2opower posted as a lot of it I just didn't understand. He was happy to help me understand things and make things clear to me and after talking to him I am sure he understands this technology but a lot of what he was saying was over my head though. Anyway I felt I can trust him as he was answering most of my questions in a way I could understand them. So I figure why not give him a chance as he sure seems to know his stuff.

Best regards,
IED

IED,
Have you received the unit you purchased or gotten the 60 day refund?  I notice their website pushed back the refund date to April 30th 2013.   They still have only sold 2 units, wonder who the other poor fella is.
Hopefully you get it and can show some results.  I'd be fighting to get my money back personally.


Nate

I and the other friend of the technology agreed to a later date as we would rather have the technology than our money back. Sorry to hear your personal feelings prevent you from supporting this technology.

Best Regards,
Ed

Quote from IED on February 7th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 7th, 2013, 06:23 PM

Quote from IED on December 10th, 2012, 07:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 10th, 2012, 03:58 PM

Quote from IED on December 8th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Anyway I am waiting to get this WFC in the mail: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_32_Exciter-Array as it really looks like they have done their homework on Meyer technology.

Once I get it I will put it through all of the testing and share the results, okay?

All the best,
IED

iED,
What is the expected delivery date of your new ER10?  According to the website, you may be waiting an indefinite amount of time:

Quote

Quantity sold needs to be 10 before orders will be made and then shipped. Quantity sold: 2

$1735.00+S&H and taxes if they apply

The company seems to plan on sitting on $15,615 (+shipping) of 9 people's hard earned money until person #10 comes along and purchases a unit.  After 10 sales, production of the units begins from there?  Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now?  I hope you see it soon, that's a lot of money not earning interest in the ole Credit Union..



Nate

Hi Nate,

I was told I would be refunded my money in full after sixty days if 10 units were not sold in that time frame. So I either get the unit or get my money back so it sounds good to me as the company is the only one in the world with such a unit to buy. They also told me when the rest of the unit for a complete kit becomes available I can buy the VIC transformer and circuitry at cost plus shipping.
After looking at some of the videos I have to say I have seen no one getting voltages that high in a cell before and the science really is sound. To me it looks like they just  need support and then the world would have the technology. Since I can get my money back I figured why not as it looks like they have done their homework big time.
I am hoping to get the unit and not my money back as I can't build a cell like that. Plus the promise of getting a matching VIC transformer and circuitry at a lower price was just too much to pass up. Before I brought brought the unit I was in contact with them for months asking questions about the science h2opower posted as a lot of it I just didn't understand. He was happy to help me understand things and make things clear to me and after talking to him I am sure he understands this technology but a lot of what he was saying was over my head though. Anyway I felt I can trust him as he was answering most of my questions in a way I could understand them. So I figure why not give him a chance as he sure seems to know his stuff.

Best regards,
IED

IED,
Have you received the unit you purchased or gotten the 60 day refund?  I notice their website pushed back the refund date to April 30th 2013.   They still have only sold 2 units, wonder who the other poor fella is.
Hopefully you get it and can show some results.  I'd be fighting to get my money back personally.


Nate

I and the other friend of the technology agreed to a later date as we would rather have the technology than our money back. Sorry to hear your personal feelings prevent you from supporting this technology.

Best Regards,
Ed

Fortunatly I do not need to rely on some manufacturing company to support Stan Meyer's technology.  My goal is to make self reliance possible for any one in their own homes.

Nate

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2013, 05:19 AM

Quote from IED on February 7th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 7th, 2013, 06:23 PM

Quote from IED on December 10th, 2012, 07:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 10th, 2012, 03:58 PM

iED,
What is the expected delivery date of your new ER10?  According to the website, you may be waiting an indefinite amount of time:


The company seems to plan on sitting on $15,615 (+shipping) of 9 people's hard earned money until person #10 comes along and purchases a unit.  After 10 sales, production of the units begins from there?  Could be tomorrow, could be 10 years from now?  I hope you see it soon, that's a lot of money not earning interest in the ole Credit Union..



Nate

Hi Nate,

I was told I would be refunded my money in full after sixty days if 10 units were not sold in that time frame. So I either get the unit or get my money back so it sounds good to me as the company is the only one in the world with such a unit to buy. They also told me when the rest of the unit for a complete kit becomes available I can buy the VIC transformer and circuitry at cost plus shipping.
After looking at some of the videos I have to say I have seen no one getting voltages that high in a cell before and the science really is sound. To me it looks like they just  need support and then the world would have the technology. Since I can get my money back I figured why not as it looks like they have done their homework big time.
I am hoping to get the unit and not my money back as I can't build a cell like that. Plus the promise of getting a matching VIC transformer and circuitry at a lower price was just too much to pass up. Before I brought brought the unit I was in contact with them for months asking questions about the science h2opower posted as a lot of it I just didn't understand. He was happy to help me understand things and make things clear to me and after talking to him I am sure he understands this technology but a lot of what he was saying was over my head though. Anyway I felt I can trust him as he was answering most of my questions in a way I could understand them. So I figure why not give him a chance as he sure seems to know his stuff.

Best regards,
IED

IED,
Have you received the unit you purchased or gotten the 60 day refund?  I notice their website pushed back the refund date to April 30th 2013.   They still have only sold 2 units, wonder who the other poor fella is.
Hopefully you get it and can show some results.  I'd be fighting to get my money back personally.


Nate

I and the other friend of the technology agreed to a later date as we would rather have the technology than our money back. Sorry to hear your personal feelings prevent you from supporting this technology.

Best Regards,
Ed

Fortunatly I do not need to rely on some manufacturing company to support Stan Meyer's technology.  My goal is to make self reliance possible for any one in their own homes.

Nate

Yes, I agree Nate. This is like the old adage, give an individual a fish, he will eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for a life time. Open source.:D

Quote from Jeff Nading on February 8th, 2013, 07:00 AM

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2013, 05:19 AM

Quote from IED on February 7th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Quote from firepinto on February 7th, 2013, 06:23 PM

Quote from IED on December 10th, 2012, 07:25 PM

Hi Nate,

I was told I would be refunded my money in full after sixty days if 10 units were not sold in that time frame. So I either get the unit or get my money back so it sounds good to me as the company is the only one in the world with such a unit to buy. They also told me when the rest of the unit for a complete kit becomes available I can buy the VIC transformer and circuitry at cost plus shipping.
After looking at some of the videos I have to say I have seen no one getting voltages that high in a cell before and the science really is sound. To me it looks like they just  need support and then the world would have the technology. Since I can get my money back I figured why not as it looks like they have done their homework big time.
I am hoping to get the unit and not my money back as I can't build a cell like that. Plus the promise of getting a matching VIC transformer and circuitry at a lower price was just too much to pass up. Before I brought brought the unit I was in contact with them for months asking questions about the science h2opower posted as a lot of it I just didn't understand. He was happy to help me understand things and make things clear to me and after talking to him I am sure he understands this technology but a lot of what he was saying was over my head though. Anyway I felt I can trust him as he was answering most of my questions in a way I could understand them. So I figure why not give him a chance as he sure seems to know his stuff.

Best regards,
IED

IED,
Have you received the unit you purchased or gotten the 60 day refund?  I notice their website pushed back the refund date to April 30th 2013.   They still have only sold 2 units, wonder who the other poor fella is.
Hopefully you get it and can show some results.  I'd be fighting to get my money back personally.


Nate

I and the other friend of the technology agreed to a later date as we would rather have the technology than our money back. Sorry to hear your personal feelings prevent you from supporting this technology.

Best Regards,
Ed

Fortunatly I do not need to rely on some manufacturing company to support Stan Meyer's technology.  My goal is to make self reliance possible for any one in their own homes.

Nate

Yes, I agree Nate. This is like the old adage, give an individual a fish, he will eat for a day, teach him how to fish and he will eat for a life time. Open source.:D

Meyer never got the chance to take his dream to market but now that someone else is trying to do the same thing everyone just turns their backs on him instead of showing their support for Meyer's dream. Back in 1998 Meyer said a kit would cost around $1500 and now it cost a bit more as the dollar just isn't what it use to be as if I remember correctly gasoline at that time was around $1.20/gal and now it's $5/gal in some places.
I know one thing I will show True Green Solutions my support as I believe in Meyer's dream and correct me if I am wrong but Meyer was not open source.

Regards,
Ed