In the annex are some images of my experimental design.
I know Keshe said that no acids were used but I think that was already in their later stage after several years. In the first demonstrations you can clearly see the cola color of the liquid in the bottle. To say the making of the recent  KF-liquid would take a month. That is the reason I can not achieve the same results. To say, the composition of the many elements take time. The natural magnetic and gravitational fields (Magravs) of these elements are used to the desired results.
I understand that the gas (CO ²) and water in the cola is needed. Keshes fluid creates formic acid and atomic hydrogen (H) (as plasma), the atomic Magravs of the formic acid is absorbed by the copper electrodes so that the copper electrons vibrate and thus creates the electrical voltage.

In these experiments when using cola I took 5cl and other liquids 2,5cl.²&
With my first test I thought why not use 80% formic acid (CH2O2), result;  there was no voltage and no graphene formation even after a few hours. Next with 80% formic acid and cola cola. After an hour> no result, even after ten hours ditto.
- Second test: sodium hydroxide (NaOH) 30%, without result, with sparkling water, no result, with Coke> 1h after 7mV> 10.1mv after 10h, 24h after it remains stable at 5.1 mV. Even after opening the bottle remains the same voltage. After 28h still 4,3mV even with open bottle.
I am satisfied, on ebay I ordered KOH for further experiments. Next week so an update.
Geert

Quote from geert8550 on October 5th, 2012, 11:28 PM

In the annex are some images of my experimental design.
I know Keshe said that no acids were used but I think that was already in their later stage after several years. In the first demonstrations you can clearly see the cola color of the liquid in the bottle. To say the making of the recent  KF-liquid would take a month. That is the reason I can not achieve the same results. To say, the composition of the many elements take time. The natural magnetic and gravitational fields (Magravs) of these elements are used to the desired results.
I understand that the gas (CO ²) and water in the cola is needed. Keshes fluid creates formic acid and atomic hydrogen (H) (as plasma), the atomic Magravs of the formic acid is absorbed by the copper electrodes so that the copper electrons vibrate and thus creates the electrical voltage.

In these experiments when using cola I took 5cl and other liquids 2,5cl.²&
With my first test I thought why not use 80% formic acid (CH2O2), result;  there was no voltage and no graphene formation even after a few hours. Next with 80% formic acid and cola cola. After an hour> no result, even after ten hours ditto.
- Second test: sodium hydroxide (NaOH) 30%, without result, with sparkling water, no result, with Coke> 1h after 7mV> 10.1mv after 10h, 24h after it remains stable at 5.1 mV. Even after opening the bottle remains the same voltage. After 28h still 4,3mV even with open bottle.
I am satisfied, on ebay I ordered KOH for further experiments. Next week so an update.
Geert

Very good job, Geert :-)

Thanks Geert, liked all the photos, gives us a good idea of whats happening. I had watched Keshe's video of this, don't remember the results, I'll have to go back and watch it again. Good work, thanks for the update, Jeff.:cool::D:P

I can't help but notice the color of Keshe's KT liquid as being a milky white, which, in a separate more recent video, he shows a white liquid and says something to the effect that it was CO2 in a liquid form. Is this correct?

After some research and thought, I came to an idea of what the white liquid might be. At this point, I am looking at Boron Nitride as apposed to KOH or NaHCO3. Beyond that, Hydrogen Peroxide and/or Sparkling water would be my best guess as the basic liquid/s for a Boron Nitride solution. Any thoughts?

Quote from Hydron on October 6th, 2012, 08:14 AM

I can't help but notice the color of Keshe's KT liquid as being a milky white, which, in a separate more recent video, he shows a white liquid and says something to the effect that it was CO2 in a liquid form. Is this correct?

After some research and thought, I came to an idea of what the white liquid might be. At this point, I am looking at Boron Nitride as apposed to KOH or NaHCO3. Beyond that, Hydrogen Peroxide and/or Sparkling water would be my best guess as the basic liquid/s for a Boron Nitride solution. Any thoughts?

Keshe had the stuff researched in Belgium and they acknowledged it was a form of carbon

Quote from geert8550 on October 5th, 2012, 11:28 PM

In the annex are some images of my experimental design.
I know Keshe said that no acids were used but I think that was already in their later stage after several years. In the first demonstrations you can clearly see the cola color of the liquid in the bottle. To say the making of the recent  KF-liquid would take a month. That is the reason I can not achieve the same results. To say, the composition of the many elements take time. The natural magnetic and gravitational fields (Magravs) of these elements are used to the desired results.
I understand that the gas (CO ²) and water in the cola is needed. Keshes fluid creates formic acid and atomic hydrogen (H) (as plasma), the atomic Magravs of the formic acid is absorbed by the copper electrodes so that the copper electrons vibrate and thus creates the electrical voltage.

In these experiments when using cola I took 5cl and other liquids 2,5cl.²&
With my first test I thought why not use 80% formic acid (CH2O2), result;  there was no voltage and no graphene formation even after a few hours. Next with 80% formic acid and cola cola. After an hour> no result, even after ten hours ditto.
- Second test: sodium hydroxide (NaOH) 30%, without result, with sparkling water, no result, with Coke> 1h after 7mV> 10.1mv after 10h, 24h after it remains stable at 5.1 mV. Even after opening the bottle remains the same voltage. After 28h still 4,3mV even with open bottle.
I am satisfied, on ebay I ordered KOH for further experiments. Next week so an update.
Geert

Nice work Geert, be very very carefull with KOH

Quote from Hydron on October 6th, 2012, 08:14 AM

I can't help but notice the color of Keshe's KT liquid as being a milky white, which, in a separate more recent video, he shows a white liquid and says something to the effect that it was CO2 in a liquid form. Is this correct?

After some research and thought, I came to an idea of what the white liquid might be. At this point, I am looking at Boron Nitride as apposed to KOH or NaHCO3. Beyond that, Hydrogen Peroxide and/or Sparkling water would be my best guess as the basic liquid/s for a Boron Nitride solution. Any thoughts?

Thanks for the feadback Hydron. I try to answer in between.

I can not help but notice the color or Keshe KT's axis being a milky white liquid, All which, in a separate more recent video, he shows a white liquid and says something to the effect That it was CO2 in a liquid form. Is this correct?

Yes this is correct, but the first tests were quite different (see appendix) there was a clear cola liquid used. Only in later stages, the milky liquid was used.

After some research and thought, I came to an idea of what the white liquid might be. At this point, I am looking at Boron Nitride as apposed to KOH or NaHCO3. Beyond That, Hydrogen Peroxide and / or Sparkling water would be my best guess as the basic liquid / s for a Boron Nitride solution. Any thoughts?

The KOH is ordered and I expect the package next week. I will have some experiments with the product include your proposal. Report follows.

Geert

Quote from geert8550 on October 5th, 2012, 11:28 PM

In the annex are some images of my experimental design.
I know Keshe said that no acids were used but I think that was already in their later stage after several years. In the first demonstrations you can clearly see the cola color of the liquid in the bottle. To say the making of the recent  KF-liquid would take a month. That is the reason I can not achieve the same results. To say, the composition of the many elements take time. The natural magnetic and gravitational fields (Magravs) of these elements are used to the desired results.
I understand that the gas (CO ²) and water in the cola is needed. Keshes fluid creates formic acid and atomic hydrogen (H) (as plasma), the atomic Magravs of the formic acid is absorbed by the copper electrodes so that the copper electrons vibrate and thus creates the electrical voltage.

In these experiments when using cola I took 5cl and other liquids 2,5cl.²&
With my first test I thought why not use 80% formic acid (CH2O2), result;  there was no voltage and no graphene formation even after a few hours. Next with 80% formic acid and cola cola. After an hour> no result, even after ten hours ditto.
- Second test: sodium hydroxide (NaOH) 30%, without result, with sparkling water, no result, with Coke> 1h after 7mV> 10.1mv after 10h, 24h after it remains stable at 5.1 mV. Even after opening the bottle remains the same voltage. After 28h still 4,3mV even with open bottle.
I am satisfied, on ebay I ordered KOH for further experiments. Next week so an update.
Geert

Hi this is Anro Manti, i am a volounteer from 2 groups in face book (Keshe Translations and Fundacion Keshe: Información en Español) for tanslate info about keshe to Spanish (Portuguese, netherlands), i was wondering if i can translate your experiments and include the pictures?, and if you have extra information, it will be appreciated. tks

Quote from anromanti on October 9th, 2012, 09:24 PM

Quote from geert8550 on October 5th, 2012, 11:28 PM

In the annex are some images of my experimental design.
I know Keshe said that no acids were used but I think that was already in their later stage after several years. In the first demonstrations you can clearly see the cola color of the liquid in the bottle. To say the making of the recent  KF-liquid would take a month. That is the reason I can not achieve the same results. To say, the composition of the many elements take time. The natural magnetic and gravitational fields (Magravs) of these elements are used to the desired results.
I understand that the gas (CO ²) and water in the cola is needed. Keshes fluid creates formic acid and atomic hydrogen (H) (as plasma), the atomic Magravs of the formic acid is absorbed by the copper electrodes so that the copper electrons vibrate and thus creates the electrical voltage.

In these experiments when using cola I took 5cl and other liquids 2,5cl.²&
With my first test I thought why not use 80% formic acid (CH2O2), result;  there was no voltage and no graphene formation even after a few hours. Next with 80% formic acid and cola cola. After an hour> no result, even after ten hours ditto.
- Second test: sodium hydroxide (NaOH) 30%, without result, with sparkling water, no result, with Coke> 1h after 7mV> 10.1mv after 10h, 24h after it remains stable at 5.1 mV. Even after opening the bottle remains the same voltage. After 28h still 4,3mV even with open bottle.
I am satisfied, on ebay I ordered KOH for further experiments. Next week so an update.
Geert

Hi this is Anro Manti, i am a volounteer from 2 groups in face book (Keshe Translations and Fundacion Keshe: Información en Español) for tanslate info about keshe to Spanish (Portuguese, netherlands), i was wondering if i can translate your experiments and include the pictures?, and if you have extra information, it will be appreciated. tks

Anromanti Hello,

I live in Belgium and I've been in the Keshe center in Ninove for a event 70 km from my home. Thanks for the support, it is intended that many people view these tests. I am not a scientist or chemist and I can not believe I'm the only one who seemed to experiment with this simple concept, it would be nice to share this with many others and test ideas to work out. I hope later to build a Keshe plasma reactor by means of open source.

Geert

Hello geert8550,

I am from Romania, and I am also interested in the theory of Keshe. I already read his public documents, and I hope in short time I'll buy his first book (considerable expensive for my pocket). I would like to know, because you said you were in Ninove, at the foundation of Keshe, if you can tell me honestly what you think about how real or not is the whole this story. Could you confirm somehow if Keshe, even graduated the Nuclear Engineering from Queen Mary College, in 1981? For me this question is important, for the further steps that I'll follow. Thanks.

Quote from sadang on October 10th, 2012, 09:35 AM

Hello geert8550,

I am from Romania, and I am also interested in the theory of Keshe. I already read his public documents, and I hope in short time I'll buy his first book (considerable expensive for my pocket). I would like to know, because you said you were in Ninove, at the foundation of Keshe, if you can tell me honestly what you think about how real or not is the whole this story. Could you confirm somehow if Keshe, even graduated the Nuclear Engineering from Queen Mary College, in 1981? For me this question is important, for the further steps that I'll follow. Thanks.

Hello Sadang

Until last weekend I had my source in the KF, I regularly chatted with him that I had met in Ninove. This week has transferred this task to someone else, I have tried to make contact but got no answer.
I had already told the story to Jeff Nadding (moderator). Now my source has nothing anymore to do with the KF, i can tell something.
Within the core of the KF is not well between the employees and Keshe itself. He makes promises and not hold them, put regular contributors to the side and has no respect for the many volunteers that work hard. A difficult man to work together, geniuses can sometimes be difficult to understand, you know. There has been a debate about the education software and videos to post but Keshe always move the date.
My contact said his technology is 100% true but he probably not knows anymore how he should proceed.
Many start to lose their trust in Keshe but I keep hoping. This thread is intended to find out how the theory works and later to build a generator through open source.
I also thought to buy the books, it is of course a lot of money. But ok, anything for science.

Blessings
Geert

Thank you for this prompt answer. I read his public documents, his patents and I saw videos available on youtube, and it seems a valuable theory with real practical implementations. His theory is very similar to Keely's theory, or Leeskalnin's magnetic current and its applications. But indeed, Keshe thinks more deeper, and his fundamental magnetic plasmatic filed looks, at least for me, like the ancient ether, or the koilon from Occult Chemistry. And I really believe that magnetic fileds, or a form of magnetism is the fundamental structure of the entire universe. Much beyound the Plank limit. Anyway, I still believe in Keshe and his good intentions, and I'll follow further his work. I am more interested in practical aplications with magnetism, electricity and gravity, according to Keshe's theory. I would like to find some practical use, without appealing to his sferical plasmatic reactor. Thank you again, and I'll continue to follow this topic and perhaps I'll can help somehow your work.

Anromanti
Any help is welcome, I'm planning to order the first book, the English text understanding takes some time for me because I never learned english, speak and understand is usually not a problem.
The KOH has arrived and I've already made ​​a solution of 80 g KOH in 1 liter of demineralized water, which makes up about a purity of 10% KOH. This information comes from HHO sites, I first try with this KOH solution. Keshe said no acids using previous products I used were quite acids (formic acid and sodium hydroxide), KOH is a base. Maybe there are other elements in the KF liquid Keshe used.
Tonight I do a test, pictures and report follows.

Geert

@anromanti
Hi. You said you are the member of a translation team from Facebook, which work to translate the Keshe theory. Did you have some translations made, or already added to diferent videos on youtube. I ask this, because I already translated from english to Romanian, the first 5 videos of Keshe theory, I send them to Keshe Foundation, to the specified email address on the Keshe Foundation website page, and also I sent them from youtube to Keshe youtube channel, and yntil today I did not receined any answer. An advice related to this subject is welcome. Thanks.

@geert8550
I think is much better to use distilled water, not demineralized, or deionized, or other kind of purified water. Only distilled water with 0ppm (parts per million) impurities. Any other kind of purified water will generate different compunds, which will results in other different chemical reactions and results.

Quote from sadang on October 11th, 2012, 01:03 AM

@anromanti
Hi. You said you are the member of a translation team from Facebook, which work to translate the Keshe theory. Did you have some translations made, or already added to diferent videos on youtube. I ask this, because I already translated from english to Romanian, the first 5 videos of Keshe theory, I send them to Keshe Foundation, to the specified email address on the Keshe Foundation website page, and also I sent them from youtube to Keshe youtube channel, and yntil today I did not receined any answer. An advice related to this subject is welcome. Thanks.

Hi, i already sent a few emails and subtitles in spanish but i never received any answer, somebody who is in contact with Belgica told me that they are changing the server and few things in the foundation, and that is why, the same person told me that the foundation are creating a plataform for the education and they first creating gruops in facebook named "KesheThoughtsGroupCOUNTRY" like KesheThoughtsGroupHispanoamerica. The person who is in contact has the first chapter of the book and that person is working in the translation. The foundation is giving the information litle by little.
take care

Quote from anromanti on October 11th, 2012, 01:32 AM

Quote from sadang on October 11th, 2012, 01:03 AM

@anromanti
Hi. You said you are the member of a translation team from Facebook, which work to translate the Keshe theory. Did you have some translations made, or already added to diferent videos on youtube. I ask this, because I already translated from english to Romanian, the first 5 videos of Keshe theory, I send them to Keshe Foundation, to the specified email address on the Keshe Foundation website page, and also I sent them from youtube to Keshe youtube channel, and yntil today I did not receined any answer. An advice related to this subject is welcome. Thanks.

Hi, i already sent a few emails and subtitles in spanish but i never received any answer, somebody who is in contact with Belgica told me that they are changing the server and few things in the foundation, and that is why, the same person told me that the foundation are creating a plataform for the education and they first creating gruops in facebook named "KesheThoughtsGroupCOUNTRY" like KesheThoughtsGroupHispanoamerica. The person who is in contact has the first chapter of the book and that person is working in the translation. The foundation is giving the information litle by little.
take care

Thanks for the information, this looks promising.

Quote from sadang on October 11th, 2012, 01:03 AM

@geert8550
I think is much better to use distilled water, not demineralized, or deionized, or other kind of purified water. Only distilled water with 0ppm (parts per million) impurities. Any other kind of purified water will generate different compunds, which will results in other different chemical reactions and results.

Ok, I'll get distilled water and test again. Thanks for the tip.

Quote from geert8550 on October 10th, 2012, 11:14 PM

Anromanti
Any help is welcome, I'm planning to order the first book, the English text understanding takes some time for me because I never learned english, speak and understand is usually not a problem.
The KOH has arrived and I've already made ​​a solution of 80 g KOH in 1 liter of demineralized water, which makes up about a purity of 10% KOH. This information comes from HHO sites, I first try with this KOH solution. Keshe said no acids using previous products I used were quite acids (formic acid and sodium hydroxide), KOH is a base. Maybe there are other elements in the KF liquid Keshe used.
Tonight I do a test, pictures and report follows.

Geert

Hi Geert,
I have the tree books of Keshe in pdf format. I can send you by e-mail or skype or other..

Una

Good work Una and geert8550. But I dare to ask; is it legal to download or to translate these books without Keshe's agreement?

Quote from sadang on October 14th, 2012, 02:06 PM

Good work Una and geert8550. But I dare to ask; is it legal to download or to translate these books without Keshe's agreement?

That was my thought as well? Did you have permission Una?

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 14th, 2012, 02:10 PM

Quote from sadang on October 14th, 2012, 02:06 PM

Good work Una and geert8550. But I dare to ask; is it legal to download or to translate these books without Keshe's agreement?

That was my thought as well? Did you have permission Una?

Una,

For now I had to take those posts off the forums, sadly i will get in trouble for having any copyright material Posted on the forums.

Thanks for posting but I need to make sure know one gets in trouble! :)

Thanks!!!! ~Russ  

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 14th, 2012, 05:21 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 14th, 2012, 02:10 PM

Quote from sadang on October 14th, 2012, 02:06 PM

Good work Una and geert8550. But I dare to ask; is it legal to download or to translate these books without Keshe's agreement?

That was my thought as well? Did you have permission Una?

Una,

For now I had to take those posts off the forums, sadly i will get in trouble for having any copyright material Posted on the forums.

Thanks for posting but I need to make sure know one gets in trouble! :)

Thanks!!!! ~Russ

Hi all,

I understand very well, and I 'm sorry if I take some action that is considered to not legal or any other,
but I have to tell you, that I have encountered and downloaded all this books and other documents (included some full patents) of mr.Keshe. And every body can do it. Just a litle smart google search and voila..
So I just will give you some links:

Here you can download the books (just have to register, I think). Maybe there are many other sites, but I have encountered this one:

http://www.novaset.net/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=b754615ea5331e50366eae32329eccf363dff459#expand

And here you have a very good explanations of Keshe experiments and generators, included pdf patent (full version) with photos, explanations, grafics and many others

http://www.rexresearch.com/keshe/keshe.htm

Actualy I think, that this site is more helpfull for the practical construction of generator, than the books.
Any way, if you think that I have no rights to publish this links, you may delete my post.
Greet, I wish you sincerely success.. And waiting to see some results.

Una

Quote from Una on October 15th, 2012, 12:33 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on October 14th, 2012, 05:21 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on October 14th, 2012, 02:10 PM

Quote from sadang on October 14th, 2012, 02:06 PM

Good work Una and geert8550. But I dare to ask; is it legal to download or to translate these books without Keshe's agreement?

That was my thought as well? Did you have permission Una?

Una,

For now I had to take those posts off the forums, sadly i will get in trouble for having any copyright material Posted on the forums.

Thanks for posting but I need to make sure know one gets in trouble! :)

Thanks!!!! ~Russ

Hi all,

I understand very well, and I 'm sorry if I take some action that is considered to not legal or any other,
but I have to tell you, that I have encountered and downloaded all this books and other documents (included some full patents) of mr.Keshe. And every body can do it. Just a litle smart google search and voila..
So I just will give you some links:

Here you can download the books (just have to register, I think). Maybe there are many other sites, but I have encountered this one:

http://www.novaset.net/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=b754615ea5331e50366eae32329eccf363dff459#expand

And here you have a very good explanations of Keshe experiments and generators, included pdf patent (full version) with photos, explanations, grafics and many others

http://www.rexresearch.com/keshe/keshe.htm

Actualy I think, that this site is more helpfull for the practical construction of generator, than the books.
Any way, if you think that I have no rights to publish this links, you may delete my post.
Greet, I wish you sincerely success.. And waiting to see some results.

Una

Thank you Una, we appreciate your help and the willingness to pursue Keshe's technology. We look forward to the day when there will be no boarders separating one person from another in different countries. Please continue to post and help us with Keshe's technology. Thank you for the links, Jeff.:cool::D:P  

"The KT Liquid"! What is it? How is it made? I am pretty certain at this point, that the liquid used in the plasma reactor is CO2 for the most part. How it is made is still a mystery to me, but Keshe wrote a little about "MOF's" or "Metal-organic frameworks". These MOF's can be constructed in ways that allow the material to absorb CO2 and CH4 out of the atmosphere. I believe Keshe called one of his devices a "day/night panel". Once the gasses are absorbed into the MOF, they can either be stored or released again into liquid or solid form.

Once in liquid form, the CO2 can be converted into graphene and diamond like mono atomic state particles that attach themselves to a copper substrate as the CO2 is released or gassed off out of the liquid. I think it's possible the coke added to one of the demonstrations was to show the cola would not affect the reaction. Hence, the quote: "The acids contained in the cola drink are not essential for creating current". He writes nothing about the CO2 in the cola, is that a slight of hand?

I did some tests with the Kesche coke reactor.
Again with sodium hydroxide and cola:
- Photo 1: sodium hydroxide solution with 5 cl Cola previous test after 2 days no better result (07.47h)
- Photo 2: Open bottle remains at the same value (07.50h)
- Photo 3; bottle emptied, value remains stable (08.01h)
- Photo 4: After 20 min value remains stable (08.21h)

The following tests were carried out with a mixture of demineralised water and 10% KOH, the flask rinsed with tap water and immediately refilled with the KOH solution at 08.30h. Same bottle was used with the same electrodes without cleaning.
picture 5: 10% KOH with dedemineraliseerd water.
picture 6: ± 15 cl after 16h (00.01h) 7,2 mV
picture 7: after 24.5 h (08.31h) 10.5 mV.

When opening the bottle, the value drops to 11 mV, and then to gradually lower. Back closing the bottle increases the value back to 8.2 mV.

I got the tip to use distilled water, which I will do in the next experiments. I think the coke and liquid nothing matters but the water is essential. in previous experiments, there was no gas in the liquid (CO2 as in cola).
I am not a chemist and would like to appeal to your suggestions.

Geert
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Quote from geert8550 on October 16th, 2012, 12:16 PM

I did some tests with the Kesche coke reactor.
Again with sodium hydroxide and cola:
- Photo 1: sodium hydroxide solution with 5 cl Cola previous test after 2 days no better result (07.47h)
- Photo 2: Open bottle remains at the same value (07.50h)
- Photo 3; bottle emptied, value remains stable (08.01h)
- Photo 4: After 20 min value remains stable (08.21h)

The following tests were carried out with a mixture of demineralised water and 10% KOH, the flask rinsed with tap water and immediately refilled with the KOH solution at 08.30h. Same bottle was used with the same electrodes without cleaning.
picture 5: 10% KOH with dedemineraliseerd water.
picture 6: ± 15 cl after 16h (00.01h) 7,2 mV
picture 7: after 24.5 h (08.31h) 10.5 mV.

When opening the bottle, the value drops to 11 mV, and then to gradually lower. Back closing the bottle increases the value back to 8.2 mV.

I got the tip to use distilled water, which I will do in the next experiments. I think the coke and liquid nothing matters but the water is essential. in previous experiments, there was no gas in the liquid (CO2 as in cola).
I am not a chemist and would like to appeal to your suggestions.

Geert

Looks good Geert, wish I had time to research this more along with you.:D