This is my current project, Reinventing Stanley Meyers EPG System.

This is a HUGE project and i will need all the help i can get! please come over to the forums and post your thoughts!

Above is a photo of one of Stanly's EPG system. See more Photos here.


The EPG system or Electrical Particle Generator is basically a particle accelerator. The EPG system is something that Stan was working on along with the Water Fuel Cell technology. It is suppose to be able to amplify the incoming signal/power to a much grater amperage / voltage.  It seems that not many people know that Stan was even working on this system. I have been doing extensive research and development on this system.

  The videos of my progress can be seen by clicking the links below. I have split this topic into two categories:

Lecture/open discussion of my work on the EPG system

My EPG Building Progress

 This is my Copper EPG i will be using for testing. The wire will be installed next, at a bare minim there will be close to 2 miles of AWG22 magnet wire on this EPG.   You can see my first attempt at the EPG using plastic at the end of this page.

Here you can see the Primary coil, this is an array of coils that will be pulsed in a sequence using the Pulse Fire box.

This is my second gas Processor. The Famous “Hydrogen Gas Gun”. Please see the details of the HGG HERE

 

This gas Processor has 403nm led's on it right now but i will be adding deferent wave length led's to help the process.



This is looking down in to the processor.  

Here is the video of the high quality EPG photos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOarpi6sDD4

Please come join the fun over at the forums here:

 

You can also see this device described in Patrick J. Kelly's

Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices

see page 89 in the link below


http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf




Thanks,

~Russ Gries

Below are some old photos and work on my first Plastic EPG and Gas processor:

My plastic EPG.

The primary.

My first gas processor.

My first Gas Processor in action.

Hey electrical eng. and computer eng just getting into this stuff, had a couple questions. I saw the multistage epg and i was noticing that it looked like there was only one pipe. and i recall that stanley in one of his lecture talks about the lack of the feild to resist flow at the center of the core and i cant help to think that the feild is got to be getting weak in the outer coils in the single layer epgs would a multistage single pipe be better. Have i missed something in my studies along the way?

The DSM diagram which is a cross sectional of the epg nonconductive tube shows a physical divider which spits the mag gas into 3 streams

Hey russ im working on a suitable power supply at the moment but have you tried using your arc under water, i think distilled is best for less imperfections, and see if gas is created or just water vapor, and if there is gas is it magnetic? Combustible? If so how much so in compared to hho?
Thanks i am going to work on this myself once i get my power supply built, i have been out of EE business a while, but always loved it.

Quote from kcrawford on June 4th, 2012, 01:39 PM

Hey russ im working on a suitable power supply at the moment but have you tried using your arc under water, i think distilled is best for less imperfections, and see if gas is created or just water vapor, and if there is gas is it magnetic? Combustible? If so how much so in compared to hho?
Thanks i am going to work on this myself once i get my power supply built, i have been out of EE business a while, but always loved it.

sorry not for probes using coal or most pure form of carbon you can find, graphite maybe.

What I plan to make is a closed loop EPG generator. It will have one circle only of large dia. copper pipe of at least 1inch diamiter. The primaries will be at least 3 equal spaced flat rodin coils in pairs slipped over the large pipe. The diamiter of the device will be 2 - 3 feet. Secondaries will be inbetween the 3 primaries. Circuit to activate the primaries will be like the ones used in the Rodin coil motors. I will fill the pipe with the argon iron ion latice mix. Russ said dont copy, improve so thats what Im doing. Stan did not have rodin coils when the epg was invented.
Alan

Hi guys,

The appearance of JP on the forums has re-ignited my interest in reading into some of Stan's history and work.  It appears to me that Stan was a very methodical guy who focussed very much on proving a theory then industrialising it and improving.

Re-reading through his various bits and pieces, it seems more apparent to me (at least my own opinion) that the EPG was his step change up for the VIC.

Everything that I have read or seen with regard to his technology suggests that he intended the EPG and the WFC / Injectors to be his state of the art with regard to his technology.  This might simply be a realisation that others have come to a lot sooner than myself, but the use of asymmetrical electrical windings on either half of the sphere are very much a large scale version of his toroidal transformer used in the VIC.  The reason for this? to greatly scale up exactly how much voltage he could utilise in the hydrogen fracturing process.

IMHO if he could get the EPG firing an order of magnitude greater than the VIC then he only needs to scale up his WFC aparatus to massively boost his peak production of hydrogen from the same principles.  I think he was trying to mimic the action of the transformer on a grander scale that would not rely purely on brute force electrical power.

I am sure an electrical engineer will be able to confirm any similarities between the torrodial transformer and the EPG design and either debunk this theory or use it to try and cast a critical eye over the EPG from a different viewpoint.

Anyway - something to get people's minds ticking over!

Cheers,

Sy

Here you go pull apart this lattice infor and apply to epg.

mind bender think hard we may be very close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B63_I616khU#!

http://pesn.com/2012/04/19/9602078_Brillouin--Understanding_How_LENR_Works_Will_Enable_Us_to_Be_First/

ps re load AND repost the

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n7pInnbzhG0
THIS ONE IS NOW LOCKED

If we look down onto completed egp from top.

Than visually split into 2 halves
left coil right coil  and centre coils

if we have correct gases inside making a gas lattice.
argon ettc
==================

If we use Left coil to squeeze gas  and leave right coil off
and than switch so right coil squeezes gas and left is off
will gas move?

it if does this might be what stan learnt with mechanical pump
and used then than replace

centre pumps with coils to harvest  energy as gas move
from pule left and right coils.

Worth a try to see how we can gas moving.

besides you have gases in garage now right?

PS you may be able to mix gases
like this instead of rolly deal

Dan

First of all I am not trying at all to flame here and I hope no one gets offended with me throwing my 2 cents worth into a project with alot of effort into it already.:angel:  I am hoping to provoke some thought on the EPG as I think if it works it is the most powerful and revolutionary of SM's devices as it has no moving parts and generates electricity directly which is the most useful of all energy.  

Looking at SM's patents well before seeing the EPG photos I had a totally different picture in my head.  The inconsistencies with the patent almost make me think that what was in the photos was put there to screw with us.  Here are my thoughts on that with, admittedly,  many loose assumptions.

The tubing is copper which is diamagnetic.  My interpretation of the patent says that magnetic fields need to interact between the gas/fluid and the coils.  Wouldn't the diamagnetic copper cause the magnetic flux lines be diverted having in effect Faraday cage?  The patent calls for non-magnetic tubing.  This makes me think Russ's early design was closer.

My 2 cents on the permanently magnetized gas:  Initially I balked at this because by definition there is no such thing.  Being Stan was a inventor and not a physics professor, I started to stretch the meaning of the words and included gas to include plasma and took permanent to be relative to within the device operation time and something fit the bill.  Oxygen plasma.  It is magnetic and easy to create at low pressure using either arcs or RF,specifically microwaves, to excite the gas to plasma state.  See here for a neat unrelated experiment that demonstrates what I am talking about: Homemade Oxygen Plasma Etcher

In my head this starts looking somewhere between a toroidal particle accelerator or a Tokamak.  Following that line of thought the accelerated particles would need to be held from collision with the walls of the device(tubing) and accelerated by the "primary coil."  I propose a idea this can be accomplished with a magnetic field as a particle accelerator does.  Assuming this magnetic particle both generates a field in the secondary coils of the device(generates power) and receives them back(holds them in position away from tube walls) the particle would continue to travel through the secondary coil(s)till it re-enters the primary and is accelerated again and we have a complete path through the device.  This only works if the circuits of ALL the coils are closed and there is small/limited gaps between the coils to maintain particle stream position.  No mechanical pumps but the primary acts as a pump as it pulls in plasma and spits it out the other side like a solenoid does to a iron core.

I am assuming the oxygen can remain in a plasma state during this trip and the secondary coils do as proposed.  I think it might involve some sort of Magnetic Reconnection  

I hope this makes some sense and provokes thought. ;)

Cheers,
Clay

Maybe a test epg made out of a neon sign with pickup coils wrapped on it would be worth a try.

Quote from firepinto on November 7th, 2012, 03:01 PM

Maybe a test epg made out of a neon sign with pickup coils wrapped on it would be worth a try.

I took a fluorescent tube bulb and coiled some wire around it. Then I took the two ends of the wire and hooked them to a bridge rectifier and was able to charge a capacitor with dc voltage.

I think that at least proves that electricity can be extracted from the charged gas in the tube. I found it interesting and wanted to share results.

element 119

Quote from element 119 on February 13th, 2013, 05:25 AM

I took a fluorescent tube bulb and coiled some wire around it. Then I took the two ends of the wire and hooked them to a bridge rectifier and was able to charge a capacitor with dc voltage.

I think that at least proves that electricity can be extracted from the charged gas in the tube. I found it interesting and wanted to share results.

I think that pretty much proves the excess energy extraction process for the Papp engine.  Now how to optimize and control it...

What also might be a good experiment is take that same bulb and wrap it with various materials and then the coil and see what gets through.

Also a good test would be to have a stationary bulb and a moving coil or the opposite, a moving bulb and stationary coil and see what kind of energy you can harvest back out.

Quote from Dog-One on February 13th, 2013, 10:58 AM

Quote from element 119 on February 13th, 2013, 05:25 AM

I took a fluorescent tube bulb and coiled some wire around it. Then I took the two ends of the wire and hooked them to a bridge rectifier and was able to charge a capacitor with dc voltage.

I think that at least proves that electricity can be extracted from the charged gas in the tube. I found it interesting and wanted to share results.

I think that pretty much proves the excess energy extraction process for the Papp engine.  Now how to optimize and control it...

What also might be a good experiment is take that same bulb and wrap it with various materials and then the coil and see what gets through.

Also a good test would be to have a stationary bulb and a moving coil or the opposite, a moving bulb and stationary coil and see what kind of energy you can harvest back out.

They still sell those rounded tube lights..? There you have a kind of EPG tube to experiment on?

Quote from Dog-One on February 13th, 2013, 10:58 AM

Quote from element 119 on February 13th, 2013, 05:25 AM

I took a fluorescent tube bulb and coiled some wire around it. Then I took the two ends of the wire and hooked them to a bridge rectifier and was able to charge a capacitor with dc voltage.

I think that at least proves that electricity can be extracted from the charged gas in the tube. I found it interesting and wanted to share results.

I think that pretty much proves the excess energy extraction process for the Papp engine.  Now how to optimize and control it...

What also might be a good experiment is take that same bulb and wrap it with various materials and then the coil and see what gets through.

Also a good test would be to have a stationary bulb and a moving coil or the opposite, a moving bulb and stationary coil and see what kind of energy you can harvest back out.

Interesting ideas Dog-One!
I agree with the Papp engine thinking.



EZ yes they still sell those bulbs. :D:P
http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/FL_T58W

I’ve had this lamp for a long time it was made to go under (say) kitchen cabinets.

I only coiled 1 layer of bell wire on about 3 inches of the 12 inch linear bulb just for testing. I got about 250 mv so not much but it’s a small wattage bulb. I may try covering the whole bulb to see how much can be extracted. I’m thinking to much extraction and the bulb will not light, but I could be wrong.

Just having fun experimenting.


element 119

http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/Circline

Thx 119, here the circulair ones are, ready made EPG's... well, these are a lot easier for fooling people at utube that you have something working..lol :D:P

And they are after a Stan's model...

Not Stan Meyer, but Stan d'art. ;)

(Learned behavior from our banks)

Quote from Dog-One on February 13th, 2013, 10:58 AM

Quote from element 119 on February 13th, 2013, 05:25 AM

I took a fluorescent tube bulb and coiled some wire around it. Then I took the two ends of the wire and hooked them to a bridge rectifier and was able to charge a capacitor with dc voltage.

I think that at least proves that electricity can be extracted from the charged gas in the tube. I found it interesting and wanted to share results.

I think that pretty much proves the excess energy extraction process for the Papp engine.  Now how to optimize and control it...

What also might be a good experiment is take that same bulb and wrap it with various materials and then the coil and see what gets through.

Also a good test would be to have a stationary bulb and a moving coil or the opposite, a moving bulb and stationary coil and see what kind of energy you can harvest back out.

I would try using different frequency inputs to the florescent tube too.  Maybe try matching the resonant frequency of the pick up coils.  :)

Nate

Quote from element 119 on February 13th, 2013, 05:25 AM

Quote from firepinto on November 7th, 2012, 03:01 PM

Maybe a test epg made out of a neon sign with pickup coils wrapped on it would be worth a try.

I took a fluorescent tube bulb and coiled some wire around it. Then I took the two ends of the wire and hooked them to a bridge rectifier and was able to charge a capacitor with dc voltage.

I think that at least proves that electricity can be extracted from the charged gas in the tube. I found it interesting and wanted to share results.

element 119

cool test!!

the EPG is kinda efferent in the way that the gas is not under a high voltage. but if the gass is ionized going in we may be able to get electron flow as the ionized gas will want electrons...  this had been a theory brought up in the past.

although if the ionizing chamber is still connected to the epg the ionizing gas will indeed have missing or extra electrons and they will want to be equalized.

when i get out the the outside lag i want to test something my buddy told me about... i can do that now that i have a nice "gas possessor" AKA the popper base... :)

will try it some some time. i have got to test that epg... i have learned a lot lately and need to do some simple tests asap...

blessings...

keep my feet in fire! lol

~Russ

Russ

Power to you Buddy , Sounds like right thinking.

Dan

HI

Found this one , it is a study on light wave on plasme gas
some of the techniques are very interesting like epg and gas gun

http://alexandria.tue.nl/extra2/751132.pdf


Dan

Hey there, this may seem like a very noob (ish) question, but I am curious to know...




1) What kind of gas are you supposed to use?




This is the first I've heard of this concept but it makes sense in a very traditional sense.

2) Also, Meyer said (in some video which sounded like a lecture) that the gases couldn't be magnetized at room temperature and I immediately thought that water boils at room temperature when you pull the air out of a closed system (lower atmospheric pressure).  So does this system also utilize those properties? if not, do you think it might benefit from that?

Thanks in advance.

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 01:46 PM

Hey there, this may seem like a very noob (ish) question, but I am curious to know...




1) What kind of gas are you supposed to use?




This is the first I've heard of this concept but it makes sense in a very traditional sense.

2) Also, Meyer said (in some video which sounded like a lecture) that the gases couldn't be magnetized at room temperature and I immediately thought that water boils at room temperature when you pull the air out of a closed system (lower atmospheric pressure).  So does this system also utilize those properties? if not, do you think it might benefit from that?

Thanks in advance.

Water doesnt boil, it gets released in to a gas because of the low atmospheric pressure.

I have a thread about the gas here: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1181&pid=15332#pid15332

Are you talking about where he says that scientists used high pressure and extremely low temperatures and the gas started showing magnetic properties?

Because the point of the EPG working is he made a magnetic gas with iron or nickel and any of the noble gases or with hydrogen too.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 01:50 PM

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 01:46 PM

Hey there, this may seem like a very noob (ish) question, but I am curious to know...




1) What kind of gas are you supposed to use?




This is the first I've heard of this concept but it makes sense in a very traditional sense.

2) Also, Meyer said (in some video which sounded like a lecture) that the gases couldn't be magnetized at room temperature and I immediately thought that water boils at room temperature when you pull the air out of a closed system (lower atmospheric pressure).  So does this system also utilize those properties? if not, do you think it might benefit from that?

Thanks in advance.

Water doesnt boil, it gets released in to a gas because of the low atmospheric pressure.

I have a thread about the gas here: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1181&pid=15332#pid15332

Are you talking about where he says that scientists used high pressure and extremely low temperatures and the gas started showing magnetic properties?

Because the point of the EPG working is he made a magnetic gas with iron or nickel and any of the noble gases or with hydrogen too.

Bottom line....

Where do I get the gas to put in this device?  

can I buy it? can I make it easily?  is the HHG gas permanently magnetized?

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 02:05 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 01:50 PM

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 01:46 PM

Hey there, this may seem like a very noob (ish) question, but I am curious to know...




1) What kind of gas are you supposed to use?




This is the first I've heard of this concept but it makes sense in a very traditional sense.

2) Also, Meyer said (in some video which sounded like a lecture) that the gases couldn't be magnetized at room temperature and I immediately thought that water boils at room temperature when you pull the air out of a closed system (lower atmospheric pressure).  So does this system also utilize those properties? if not, do you think it might benefit from that?

Thanks in advance.

Water doesnt boil, it gets released in to a gas because of the low atmospheric pressure.

I have a thread about the gas here: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1181&pid=15332#pid15332

Are you talking about where he says that scientists used high pressure and extremely low temperatures and the gas started showing magnetic properties?

Because the point of the EPG working is he made a magnetic gas with iron or nickel and any of the noble gases or with hydrogen too.

Bottom line....

Where do I get the gas to put in this device?  

can I buy it? can I make it easily?  is the HHG gas permanently magnetized?

I just listened to it again, and my question is wrong... he says there is no "permanent" magnetic gas, but by moving a gas through the Hydrogen Gas Gun (HGG) would cause the lattice...

So, my question is now...

how do I get my hands on the gas needed for the lattice.  is it simply helium and nickel? how do I "mix" them.  

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 02:05 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on May 20th, 2013, 01:50 PM

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 01:46 PM

Hey there, this may seem like a very noob (ish) question, but I am curious to know...




1) What kind of gas are you supposed to use?




This is the first I've heard of this concept but it makes sense in a very traditional sense.

2) Also, Meyer said (in some video which sounded like a lecture) that the gases couldn't be magnetized at room temperature and I immediately thought that water boils at room temperature when you pull the air out of a closed system (lower atmospheric pressure).  So does this system also utilize those properties? if not, do you think it might benefit from that?

Thanks in advance.

Water doesnt boil, it gets released in to a gas because of the low atmospheric pressure.

I have a thread about the gas here: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1181&pid=15332#pid15332

Are you talking about where he says that scientists used high pressure and extremely low temperatures and the gas started showing magnetic properties?

Because the point of the EPG working is he made a magnetic gas with iron or nickel and any of the noble gases or with hydrogen too.

Bottom line....

Where do I get the gas to put in this device?  

can I buy it? can I make it easily?  is the HHG gas permanently magnetized?

The gas doesnt exsist. Otherwise we would have a working EPG. It cant be made easily, in fact we dont even know how practicle it is.

Where not sure what the blend of gas is. The apparatus to make the gas is simple really, but that will come out in time. Thats not the key anyway, its the proper gas with iron or nickel that stabilizes without the iron wanting to re-bond.

You have to join the research, thats the only way. Once we get a feasible gas structure figured out, im going to build the device to produce it.

Quote from zombiesplat on May 20th, 2013, 01:46 PM

Hey there, this may seem like a very noob (ish) question, but I am curious to know...




1) What kind of gas are you supposed to use?




This is the first I've heard of this concept but it makes sense in a very traditional sense.

2) Also, Meyer said (in some video which sounded like a lecture) that the gases couldn't be magnetized at room temperature and I immediately thought that water boils at room temperature when you pull the air out of a closed system (lower atmospheric pressure).  So does this system also utilize those properties? if not, do you think it might benefit from that?

Thanks in advance.

Hey I found your observation very good thank you for posts it is very important

Dan
http://www.securesupplies.biz
Sourcing & Distributing Vital Supplies  
Very Interesting to consider
 the temp into the equations when handling the Stan Tech.

I believe with careful consideration this may improve performance with better understanding.

Russ has shown in several videos the concept of Creating gas with arcs , creating iron  particles with varying electrodes.
This led Russ get involved with Popper research as the combustion arc chamber and tech is very similar and providing a more
advance understanding of the gas and variants there of.

We all should think very carefully about temp on this thread now
as it may

1 make more or less dense gass variants
2 allow earlier fater/slower bonding or shattering of gas variants
3 Provide more electron release or less.

if we answer these simple questions on this thread it may become vital in the culture of understanding performance of
Stans Tech.

If  Home builders/companies  have ability to build or supply

1. Stan Arc chamber similar to shown by Russ  
2.Popper arc chambers
3. Epg components /coils or or copper wound tubes
4. Gases

Please email me danieldonatelli@hotmail.com

I am prepared to invest in Sourcing and distribution promotion to
help inventors and enthusiasts get parts to speed up the process
of further trailing and testing of stans tech.

When people have key components readily available it
helps broad based learning testing of tech and theories .

I am all for making that happen.
So email even basic parts you can make or source like
electrodes variations of chamber tubes or all other little items

pre made epg tuber and copper pick ups  
would be a cool thing to be supplying me to promote speeding up
one of the hard parts to make.

Dan
http://www.securesupplies.biz
Sourcing & Distributing Vital Supplies  

Hey guys i know this is a step back , but found a couple sites that talk about an ionic ff that will hold its charge and one site talks about the nickelferrite crystaline structure, anyways here a couple links i found.

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0103-97332005000400018
http://www.sbfisica.org.br/bjp/files/v35_718.pdf

Russ, or anyone that tested ff,  i am curious to know if when you tested ff if it was a Surfacted ferrofluid(usually Fe3O4) or Ionic ferrofluids( usually maghemite, g-Fe2O3, and different ferrites, MFe2O4, where M = Mn, Co, Zn, Cu, Ni)

I think i am going to test this, however i have a radical coil design on mine which may affect my findings