Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 06:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 05:00 PM

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This article on Transparent Aluminum seems related to Meyer Tech:

http://phys.org/news167925273.html
 
Bet they need an electron extraction circuit. ;)

Wow that is interesting, nice find man!

Someone on Zerofossilfuel's ustream chat shared that link, I figured it fit nice here in this thread. :)  
The article says the electrons get knocked off for a brief time.

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Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.

Of course I had to look up what a Femtosecond is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond

1 quadrillionth of a second.

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a ray of light travels approximately 0.3 µm (micrometers) in 1 femtosecond, a distance comparable to the diameter of a virus

After 40 femtoseconds all the electrons need to come back to the aluminum atoms.   Can we pulse a laser say, every 50 femtoseconds?   Would this expanding and contracting electrons be equal to a magnetic field?  No need for magnetic gas, just a light source gas?
So ... say if a soft Xray laser can cause aluminum to shed electrons and turn transparent, the same should be possible for copper?

maybe, your talking about different atomic structures, atomic mass and density. What would nocking of an electron from copper help achieve?

Well, it's like oil before we had internal combustion engines, look at oil today, so you never know until someone comes along and finds a use for it and "Makes  BILLIONS".

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 21st, 2013, 08:48 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 06:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 05:00 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 04:40 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 04:34 PM

This article on Transparent Aluminum seems related to Meyer Tech:

http://phys.org/news167925273.html
 
Bet they need an electron extraction circuit. ;)

Wow that is interesting, nice find man!

Someone on Zerofossilfuel's ustream chat shared that link, I figured it fit nice here in this thread. :)  
The article says the electrons get knocked off for a brief time.

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Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.

Of course I had to look up what a Femtosecond is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond

1 quadrillionth of a second.

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a ray of light travels approximately 0.3 µm (micrometers) in 1 femtosecond, a distance comparable to the diameter of a virus

After 40 femtoseconds all the electrons need to come back to the aluminum atoms.   Can we pulse a laser say, every 50 femtoseconds?   Would this expanding and contracting electrons be equal to a magnetic field?  No need for magnetic gas, just a light source gas?
So ... say if a soft Xray laser can cause aluminum to shed electrons and turn transparent, the same should be possible for copper?

maybe, your talking about different atomic structures, atomic mass and density. What would nocking of an electron from copper help achieve?

Well, it's like oil before we had internal combustion engines, look at oil today, so you never know until someone comes along and finds a use for it and "Makes  BILLIONS".

Yea, that's a good way of putting it.

Although the nocking electrons from copper, I still don't get whats the purpose of it and how is it related to meyer tech.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 22nd, 2013, 11:04 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 21st, 2013, 08:48 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 06:25 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 05:00 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 04:40 PM

Wow that is interesting, nice find man!

Someone on Zerofossilfuel's ustream chat shared that link, I figured it fit nice here in this thread. :)  
The article says the electrons get knocked off for a brief time.

Quote

Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.

Of course I had to look up what a Femtosecond is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond

1 quadrillionth of a second.

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a ray of light travels approximately 0.3 µm (micrometers) in 1 femtosecond, a distance comparable to the diameter of a virus

After 40 femtoseconds all the electrons need to come back to the aluminum atoms.   Can we pulse a laser say, every 50 femtoseconds?   Would this expanding and contracting electrons be equal to a magnetic field?  No need for magnetic gas, just a light source gas?
So ... say if a soft Xray laser can cause aluminum to shed electrons and turn transparent, the same should be possible for copper?

maybe, your talking about different atomic structures, atomic mass and density. What would nocking of an electron from copper help achieve?

Well, it's like oil before we had internal combustion engines, look at oil today, so you never know until someone comes along and finds a use for it and "Makes  BILLIONS".

Yea, that's a good way of putting it.

Although the nocking electrons from copper, I still don't get whats the purpose of it and how is it related to meyer tech.

you need to heat the copper to knock em off.

same thing as if it was a tungsten coil. the heat of the coil causes it to loose electrons.
/watch?v=jSgnWfbEx1A

Quote from freethisone on December 22nd, 2013, 02:28 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 22nd, 2013, 11:04 AM

Yea, that's a good way of putting it.

Although the nocking electrons from copper, I still don't get whats the purpose of it and how is it related to meyer tech.

you need to heat the copper to knock em off.

Or send out a sweeper team.  They're paid to knock things off.  :P

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Quote from Matt Watts on December 22nd, 2013, 07:03 PM

Quote from freethisone on December 22nd, 2013, 02:28 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 22nd, 2013, 11:04 AM

Yea, that's a good way of putting it.

Although the nocking electrons from copper, I still don't get whats the purpose of it and how is it related to meyer tech.

you need to heat the copper to knock em off.

Or send out a sweeper team.  They're paid to knock things off.  :P

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Good one Matt, you really crack me up some times. :D:P:P:P:P:P

I love all the recent discussion on Stan's laser EPG over the last few months. If you haven't seen our FB page, please check it out. We have collect a lot of EPG data, including photon absorption, reflection, & much more then put it in one location for all to learn from. Please like, share, & join to spread this knowledge!
https://facebook.com/LimitlessResearch

Keep up the good work,
Limitless

Quote from Limitless on December 29th, 2013, 02:01 PM

I love all the recent discussion on Stan's laser EPG over the last few months. If you haven't seen our FB page, please check it out. We have collect a lot of EPG data, including photon absorption, reflection, & much more then put it in one location for all to learn from. Please like, share, & join to spread this knowledge!
https://facebook.com/LimitlessResearch

Keep up the good work,
Limitless

Im not trying to be rude, but the EPG system wont be solved by reading patents and having an idea to come up with Cobalt Argon or Nickel Argon. Especially if you haven't even done experiments to get you started in the field.

The magnetic gas is something that is going to take quantum and physics understandings. As well as knowing a great deal in electrical engineering and how to build apparatuses. This is why I am a good candidate. A team needed to make this type of gas has to be intelligent and logical. They must have great skills and knowledge of the subject to do this. Like I have mentioned before 99.9% of the people here will have ideas, but nothing logical to a device to synthesize the gas. Only maybe five people here have that ability.

A hint for you though is to stop looking at the patents. The patents will not tell you how its made, nor what it is. It just describes what the EPG does.

Meyer isn't even going to hint at the way its made. I can theorize for hours but not enough room to type. Several ways of making an apparatus. The patents are just a filler. To the inherent design that he was making, not how the EPG runs nor how the has is made.

I think its great your doing it. Facebook, is no way to do it however. I wish you luck. If I may suggest, that you join the forums in your discussion rather than trying to operate a team via facebook.

;) Thanks bro.

Dear GoldDl4B3,

That was rude & you meant it to be.

The FB page is merely a place to store relevant information, as it is difficult to store all that info on a forum. A FB page was something I could do that was quick and easy while I work on the website. There are very few people making EPGs and even fewer attempting to make the gas. It is meant to give those few people a place to learn relevant data. I'm glad you visited the page. Sorry to waste your time, as it seems you already understand everything I have posted there. Best of luck to you in your research. I hope you are willing to share the details of your designs and the process once you figure it out. If you need any help, you know where to find me. I will continue researching, experimenting, & posting my results.

Best Regards,
Limitless

Okay gentlemen, you've both had your chance to speak your peace, now lets focus on facts in evidence and attempt to achieve a common goal here.  The right way to do this is to work with what you have and learn from each other at the same time.  The "right answer" is unique to each individual, but if anyone understands it well enough to explain it to me in terms that I can duplicate it, then we all win.  Let that be your goal.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 11:16 AM

Very good points, all in which are correct. What is need is laser energy, in other words, photon energy. Lasers being the point that they can put out a lot of power, ion lasers in particular. Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy.

Now as far as the circle goes, that's right, lasers travel in a straight line. What you cant see from the outside is the laser is bouncing all around the walls inside the pipe. Its also not a focused laser beam point, but a pulse of photons bouncing around in their. Eventually the pulse of photons would smoothen out as they bounce around and become more uniform.

The EPG can be refined, in to lets say a hexagon shape. So the beam doesn't bounce around so much. As photons bounce they loose energy. Very very very tiny amounts and that does depend on certain factors. Energy is also lost from contact with the surface. The only way to prevent that is to have a 100% reflective surface.

I agree, a L-EPG in the shape of a circle is wasteful. The fewer reflections the better, 2 or 3 reflections would be optimal, as the beam will be reflecting 1000+ times between pulses. I have heard nearly perfect mirrors are used in laser surgery, any idea where we could get some? Or does anyone know someone in the field of optical coating who could make us some mirrors?

Quote from Limitless on January 1st, 2014, 10:14 AM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 11:16 AM

Very good points, all in which are correct. What is need is laser energy, in other words, photon energy. Lasers being the point that they can put out a lot of power, ion lasers in particular. Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy.

Now as far as the circle goes, that's right, lasers travel in a straight line. What you cant see from the outside is the laser is bouncing all around the walls inside the pipe. Its also not a focused laser beam point, but a pulse of photons bouncing around in their. Eventually the pulse of photons would smoothen out as they bounce around and become more uniform.

The EPG can be refined, in to lets say a hexagon shape. So the beam doesn't bounce around so much. As photons bounce they loose energy. Very very very tiny amounts and that does depend on certain factors. Energy is also lost from contact with the surface. The only way to prevent that is to have a 100% reflective surface.

I agree, a L-EPG in the shape of a circle wastes laser energy. The fewer reflections the better, 2 or 3 reflections would be optimal, as the beam will be reflecting 1000+ times between pulses. I have heard nearly perfect mirrors are used in laser surgery, any idea where we could get some? Or does anyone know someone in the field of optical coating who could make us some mirrors?

Hi Limitless, I think what gold is referring to is that the highly reflective surface would be the inside of the tube itself and not a mirror at each end, that's what was throwing me off for a while, if this is the type of mirror your referring to. Like the FB page, the more people we have looking into open source energy the better our chances of succeeding in one avenue or another, thanks for being here. :cool::D:P

Hi Jeff,

Great thanks, glad you like it. Feel free to upload or post anything related to EPG gas there. I'm pretty sure Gold and I are on the same page on this one. While having a reflective inner surface of the tube will most definitely help the process, it shouldn't be considered good enough. Each time the laser reflects, some photons are absorbed. So the laser EPG design should have straight lines and very few reflection points. 2 = one mirror at each end of a straight tube, 3 = a triangle, 3 straight tubes with a mirror at each intersection, 4 = a rectangle, and so on.

I have found many types of laser mirrors on eBay with 99+% reflection. I could use some guidance selecting the best type though. CuSi mirrors seem to be the best I have found so far with 99.85% reflection. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm looking for the widest spectrum reflection and highest % reflection possible.

Best Regards,
Limitless

Let me toss this idea out there for inspection:

Suppose you have a tiny orifice the gas must pass through and directly focused on this little hole, you have a powerful laser beam.  Would that not fully excite the gas that passes through as effectively as possible?  Seriously, think about the photon density that would be there and how it would be nearly impossible for the gas molecules or atoms to avoid being bombarded by the laser energy.  Would this achieve the effect we are after?

Thoughts?  Comments?

Quote from Matt Watts on January 1st, 2014, 01:38 PM

Suppose you have a tiny orifice the gas must pass through and directly focused on this little hole, you have a powerful laser beam.  Would that not fully excite the gas that passes through as effectively as possible?  Seriously, think about the photon density that would be there and how it would be nearly impossible for the gas molecules or atoms to avoid being bombarded by the laser energy.  Would this achieve the effect we are after?

I like it Matt. You will need to match the laser type with the gas you are processing. Ex: using an argon laser when processing argon gas. This way the photons emitted by the laser are absorbed by the gas. Or you can simply integrate the laser into part of your gas processor design.

Here are a few of my designs on this topic. They need to be updated, as I made them quickly by modifying a laser schematic, but it should get the point across. (Induction laser gas processor) & (Flash lamp laser gas processor)

While there is much to be learned from replicating Stan's work exactly, I think there is also a little room for improvement in parts of his technology once we understand what he is trying to do. Personally, I think the gas processor may need to be looked at a little closer. I've been studying photon absorption, wavelengths, photoelectric effect and influences that weaken the atomic bonds the last 5-6 months and it has opened my eyes to a very small yet important piece of the gas processor technology. If we want photons to be absorbed into the gas being processed, we need to step away from LEDs. LEDs emit a very small range (1-10nm). This means in order to weaken the atom enough to ionize it we would need to select high frequency LEDs that the gas will accept/absorb. Stan's gas processor used IR LEDs. IR is on the lower/slower, less powerful end of the spectrum. IR will not ionize a gas. UV is on the high power faster end of the spectrum. That being said, the gas will only accept certain wavelengths. So for LEDs to work, you will need to use more than one very specific wavelength (absorption spectrum), possibly custom made LEDs so they emit the specific wavelengths that a gas will absorb. There are 2 inexpensive alternatives to this costly problem.
1) Use a spectrum tube or flash tube filled with the same gas you are processing. This will emit the exact wavelengths you need for absorption.
2) Use a quartz glass tungsten halogen bulb or any high intensity filament bulb made with quartz glass. Excited metal filaments emit a continuous spectrum (all of it). This would creat a universal gas processor! Any gas could be passed through it and absorb all of it's specific frequencies. Ok, that's it for now. :)

Keep up the good work,
Limitless

Quote from Limitless on January 4th, 2014, 12:11 PM

While there is much to be learned from replicating Stan's work exactly, I think there is also a little room for improvement in parts of his technology once we understand what he is trying to do. Personally, I think the gas processor may need to be looked at a little closer. I've been studying photon absorption, wavelengths, photoelectric effect and influences that weaken the atomic bonds the last 5-6 months and it has opened my eyes to a very small yet important piece of the gas processor technology. If we want photons to be absorbed into the gas being processed, we need to step away from LEDs. LEDs emit a very small range (1-10nm). This means in order to weaken the atom enough to ionize it we would need to select high frequency LEDs that the gas will accept/absorb. Stan's gas processor used IR LEDs. IR is on the lower/slower, less powerful end of the spectrum. IR will not ionize a gas. UV is on the high power faster end of the spectrum. That being said, the gas will only accept certain wavelengths. So for LEDs to work, you will need to use more than one very specific wavelength (absorption spectrum), possibly custom made LEDs so they emit the specific wavelengths that a gas will absorb. There are 2 inexpensive alternatives to this costly problem.
1) Use a spectrum tube or flash tube filled with the same gas you are processing. This will emit the exact wavelengths you need for absorption.
2) Use a quartz glass tungsten halogen bulb or any high intensity filament bulb made with quartz glass. Excited metal filaments emit a continuous spectrum (all of it). This would creat a universal gas processor! Any gas could be passed through it and absorb all of it's specific frequencies. Ok, that's it for now. :)

Keep up the good work,
Limitless

Good thinking Limitless.

Thanks Gold. I value your input as well.

Great idea using the EPG gas in the laser! You're right, that would emit all the wavelengths needed for absorption.

Keep up the good work,
Limitless