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steam! it has a high dipole density, it it the best place to start. people we are not looking to get 1 million volts here, we only need to do a simple test. any reading on the output side will confirm magnetic particles are circulation or simply flipping over as the dipole is alined with the coils.

fill it with air if you like, but in that case it needs heat.

hope that helps.

how would a magnetic gas operate in the presence of a changing magnetic field? it will be affected, dipoles will flip over. a simple experiment. take a long florescence lamp 10 inches or so. stick it in the hole of a rodan coil.

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observer the effect. test each side of the bulb for voltage, via volt meter. neon lamps can be tested also. wrap a fine wire around a glass tube, 50 turns. put inside a rodan coil test for voltage from the coil.
now same test this time with a magnetic gas present. a neo lamp. wrap the wire around it, 50 turns test in the rodan coil for increased voltage. if any at all.

on the other hand same test,  if the hole in the center of the coil is wide enough test the bulb, and coil described horizontally, and also vertically. to find the direction of the magnetic flux lines.


now connect one end of the coil to the positive lead on the bulb, solder it if ness.
same for the other side. now you will need a ground on one side, or a gap.
and perhaps on the other side of the wire an addition of 3 feet of wire to act as anntena, with a small insulated plate on that end to act as a capacitor in sieres. 

test this fortruth.:heart:
:angel:


what i can now share goes far beyond the imagination. These are just a handful of inventions i will share.


.the world msut be ready for greatness in our hearts, and joy for  the marvole we share through one, in harmony with Pure Nature , and not this destructive force we have posed upon our father  today...


Pm me for additional information and be the first to invent, with special theory, and delight in our hearts.:heart::heart:

 Boiler to Condensor(epg) = static and all other form of power made by water movement
are harvested.  with heat recovery also  can we improve it with argon ion or plasmae variants in the vacumm ot selad epg ater hydro crcuit?  surely! can

but we must start connecting it up  boiler to epg

see the above example I posted in this thread.

ONe way  just spiral coper tube around the boiler exhast heat stack
connect the coil to epg and partial fill with water or variants to cycle steam, hydrogen or mixed gases

should equa power!!  watch the pressure has to be controlled
d

Quote from securesupplies on November 22nd, 2013, 10:30 PM

Boiler to Condensor(epg) = static and all other form of power made by water movement
are harvested.  with heat recovery also  can we improve it with argon ion or plasmae variants in the vacumm ot selad epg ater hydro crcuit?  surely! can

but we must start connecting it up  boiler to epg

see the above example I posted in this thread.

ONe way  just spiral coper tube around the boiler exhast heat stack
connect the coil to epg and partial fill with water or variants to cycle steam, hydrogen or mixed gases

should equa power!!  watch the pressure has to be controlled
d

uv light chamber for water purification.:D heat recovery is more or less, a vapour of ion .so your adding heat to recover energy how soe?

tune static to radio, then recover for energy, antenna . water faucet, drinking pure clean circulated water is the way to go.uv light pumped through dilectric. glass chambers. static charged. silver ion.

condenser chamber for cold water. coil.

Boiler to Condensor(epg) = static and all other form of power made by water movement are harvested.

but we must start connecting it up boiler to epg to start into to Reality

wiki

Quote from securesupplies on November 25th, 2013, 01:16 AM

Boiler to Condensor(epg) = static and all other form of power made by water movement are harvested.

but we must start connecting it up boiler to epg to start into to Reality

its the same thing.
if i work with light, and electric, or magnets, and we have plasma, and static, we have current, and lenz force.

now you have this information provided, to get a firm uderstanding of these preoceses and how they must apply to the above mentioned across the board..[/b]:-/

i just happen to be in a position to help bring out this new technology. i cant mention.
and will be in the company team making public information

they have shown  to reduce the cost of a single panel by 50 times. flex  film industry.

It is related to solar panel and processes.
over 200 patents. if you are thinking of what i am, the posit on electron shell of atomic orbits, lacking a component. valence layers. it should pour in energy all day long. to find equalibrium..

this include nitrogen  to be used in the epg.. its not a mystery, all the magnetic gasses will work.



so we have refraction again. we have  fre e floating ions, and electrons wishing to join these layers. this will deal with the substrate being developed. and the crystal layers.



This group has the defining characteristic that all the component elements have 5 electrons in their outermost shell, that is 2 electrons in the s subshell and 3 unpaired electrons in the p subshell. They are therefore 3 electrons short of filling their outermost electron shell in their non-ionized state. The most important elements of this group are nitrogen (N), which in its diatomic form is the principal component of air, and phosphorus (P), which, like nitrogen, is essential to all known forms of life


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium_arsenide:@

Solar cells and detectors[edit]
Another important application of GaAs is for high efficiency solar cells. Gallium arsenide (GaAs) is also known as single-crystalline thin film and are high-cost high-efficiency solar cells.

In 1970, the first GaAs heterostructure solar cells were created by the team led by Zhores Alferov in the USSR.[11][12][13] In the early 1980s, the efficiency of the best GaAs solar cells surpassed that of silicon solar cells, and in the 1990s GaAs solar cells took over from silicon as the cell type most commonly used for Photovoltaic arrays for satellite applications. Later, dual- and triple-junction solar cells based on GaAs with germanium and indium gallium phosphide layers were developed as the basis of a triple-junction solar cell, which held a record efficiency of over 32% and can operate also with light as concentrated as 2,000 suns. This kind of solar cell powers the rovers Spirit and Opportunity, which are exploring Mars' surface. Also many solar cars utilize GaAs in solar arrays.

GaAs-based devices hold the world record for the highest-efficiency single-junction solar cell at 28.8%.[1

SO We can Be Clear and Focused on Connecting a EPG to a MOdern Boiler as a HEat exchanger and electricity cicuit

watch this

Quote from securesupplies on December 1st, 2013, 08:13 AM

SO We can Be Clear and Focused on Connecting a EPG to a MOdern Boiler as a HEat exchanger and electricity cicuit

watch this

So what you are proposing is the EPG is actually an LENR reactor chamber?

Quote from Matt Watts on December 1st, 2013, 08:43 AM

Quote from securesupplies on December 1st, 2013, 08:13 AM

SO We can Be Clear and Focused on Connecting a EPG to a MOdern Boiler as a HEat exchanger and electricity cicuit

watch this

So what you are proposing is the EPG is actually an LENR reactor chamber?

No --?

think about this video and what our gas steam is doing in side the coill with stans circuit pulsing it  == MAKES AC

http://youtu.be/HWrNzUCjbkk    

look carefull and read carefull there are some motivating section on epg here

test time and video posting time

Dan
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1935-00-00.htm

Quote from securesupplies on December 2nd, 2013, 02:46 AM

look carefull and read carefull there are some motivating section on epg here

test time and video posting time

Dan
http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1935-00-00.htm

were did you get that induction motor link? lol Mr S, i dont have many friends on this forum so i want to say hi, because you are a person too. when i write i write as a poet would. strange because my mind can race. when i read your posts, i get the idea you are making a notion that will have an outcome. i too would like to be a great inventor, but in today world i am looked at as the outsider. i play that roll, because i choose too play that roll. i want to become more involved.  with that i hope you can accept my position, and who i am as a person. I am just learning myself, and still act in foolish folly sometime. now you know who i am, and were i come from. so Hi greetings. evry one on this forum can offer something of great importance, and as far i can tell everyone here has.

lets focus on the egp. yes...

a valvular conduit. yes...
a particle accelerator? yes..
an induction motor? yes.
a cyclotron? yes.
and yet there is so much more.....


i think the boiler idea is great, i think the added cost of up to 3 thousand dollars is a good one if we mix a heater, water heater, water purify, and electric in one unit..
that would be my goal if i could have the money, and lab to work.

to test the epg, make it easy. make it close to the firt patent i give as first epg.
from there u add your pipe for the boiler. im sure you have many ideas, and i would like to see a few more drawings.

i will attempt to design a epg, and advance. my first concept, add a drawing. I would like to see how far the forum can advance. show me what drawings you have.

cheers,,:sleepy::shy:

My first ideas, and  thoughts when i learned of the EPG Russ began to build.
picture one, and two. so it may be time to go back to the drawing board.



I rework the idea in my head.

the spark gap can be eliminated. we have other means of doing the same thing.
the spark gap is needed. the spark gap creates ions, and electrons.

we need a heater source.  we have a spark that can cause intense heating in a pin point focus.  Stan Myers on light, or lasers.

i can use a turbine, to make rare air. a step above ground state of the atom.
added note 3 steps to go.

magnetic field is used on the epg like in second epg patent. this he uses as a pump, and gives good concept, theory. the magnetic field to hold the ion stream. too grow in discrete manner. electron, ion one goes left the other goes right.

for my plasma tube, i may use a  bipolar tesla coil. add movie.
i may add plates, i may add a ozone generator to ionize for me.

i add a heater, i contain it under pressure, or i inject the hydrogen, with its two spin, and single spin atoms. you can add to this, i did not add enough yet to make a working EPG.:D




 50 times outputs have been seen, but not related to EPG specific.

EPG Thread Members.

I will post this comment but  it feels crazy strange as I must have watch stan's videos a 1000 times, and for some reason I learn something every time it is mad?

So if you know this already , just over read it but if you don't note it.

Limitless Research posted a cut clip from New Zealand focusing Stans Egp talk
for what ever reason it seamed different when clipped that way

here is link
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=187001628156407&set=vb.127444057445498&type=3&permPage=1

Stan States very Crystal clear.

THE EMF EPG Magnetic Field
"that he is not trying to move the gas in the evolution of the epg designs with mechanic or electromagetic as it is uneconomical".
 
He is Doing it wil LASER ONLY and Multiplying it 1000's of times as it compunds.
inthe reflective tube loop.

In fact he learnt and is advising  he is moving LAser light energy through the gas in the last design which is why he has copper and coil is designed that way as the laser makes the gas electrons spin up into a higher state  ,

in side copper pipe is now alight guide to allow  gas to amp up with energy from laser input and it  does not have to move but rather just get excited at light speed to spin of electrons into coils that is why he is saturating every inch with coils to catch every electron.

He says coils are in series and side by side and it is a looped system gas could be flowing or stationary chances are works both ways, can also make mixes but will work very various gas as well." so it is not imperitive about gas mix but some gases will yeild more than other in lattice config. BUt not exclusive.. This means we simple have to build!!!!

HE say hey by putting the gas in cente of coil there is zero drag and resistance or negative magnetics as electrons spin up from the laser input from the centre outward. Minimum amount of opposition from coil emf  and coil start at zero and is zero in this design.

"to eliminate as much as possible lens laws" to allow tremendous amounts of power far from what a standard alternator can provide.

And his whole thing is it unlocks the alternator from the equasion as alternator spin is slow and will only spin up so far as the magnetic field moves slow in tune with the engine revs,  to provide energy to cell, and is restrictive due to back emf.

but with epg in the loop after alternator kicks it off the epg , the epg is not limited by speed and the laser can loop at light speed over and over to spin up electrons making I Quote "tremendous amounts of Power" and it times x the energey every time the laser loops x 1000++ for example.

He Say a 10 Watt Laser is easy to calculate and use for design.

So I believe this is now fully understood.

EPG is the Light Guide for laser and gas ( the looping road) along that road are in paralle side by side coils to capture as much as possible. It will run at the speed of light.
and if paired with the water cell what can't you do?

Save Share post build teach GLOBAL NOW>

Max has Boards and kits

All others  are requested to offer what they can build or supply as
I can promote any part you can make for you to help get all this moving and every one building and getting return on simple parts people can put togther to get  returns to help build more in home work shops.

Dan.
www.securesupplies.biz

Dan,

So wouldn't the inside of the tube have to be perfectly polished 100% reflective?

Otherwise the laser light would be absorbed right into sidewall of the tube instead of bouncing around inside.

Even more simple is to just shoot a 10 Watt laser through a straight tube, filled with gas and wrapped with coils--if the coils don't pick-up any electrical power, we can say this experiment is a bust.  No need to build a complete looped EPG to test the premise.

/watch?v=A0OuTDHTDOw:angel:


i love plasma..

/watch?v=mR4u9iu2Cvs

Quote from Matt Watts on December 11th, 2013, 01:04 PM

Dan,

So wouldn't the inside of the tube have to be perfectly polished 100% reflective?

Otherwise the laser light would be absorbed right into sidewall of the tube instead of bouncing around inside.

Even more simple is to just shoot a 10 Watt laser through a straight tube, filled with gas and wrapped with coils--if the coils don't pick-up any electrical power, we can say this experiment is a bust.  No need to build a complete looped EPG to test the premise.

Matt

If we compare a  Hammer to a drill    that is the aproximate difference we are talking about when we compare a alternator to a epg
(even a basic laser epg with copper tube is like the Star trek Enterprise compared to a hang glider. ) so I like you comments but  it is timing to build than fine tune. we need to build what every parts we can and make over runs of those builds and share them so it speeds every builder forward.

if you can only make one thing right do it.

It is time to stop talking and build  share and test share video test & share again

D

Would like to hear what you guys think of this video in relation to moving magnetic gas inside a copper tube of the epg. It may need a different type of pipe.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrmGTolSbiA

Quote from TeaJunky on December 18th, 2013, 11:46 AM

Would like to hear what you guys think of this video in relation to moving magnetic gas inside a copper tube of the epg. It may need a different type of pipe.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrmGTolSbiA

Finally, somebody recognizes what I have been barking at the moon about all along.

Eddy currents are going to hold the magnetic gas in one place and nothing is going to propagate out into the coils, all due to the copper tubes.

Try wrapping your own transformer and make the very first wrap from flat copper foil soldered or welded similar to a pipe.  Your transformer will not work at all, no matter how good your coil wraps are.

http://www.launc.tased.edu.au/ONLINE/SCIENCES/physics/Lenz%27s.html

Quote from Matt Watts on December 18th, 2013, 12:12 PM

Quote from TeaJunky on December 18th, 2013, 11:46 AM

Would like to hear what you guys think of this video in relation to moving magnetic gas inside a copper tube of the epg. It may need a different type of pipe.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrmGTolSbiA

Finally, somebody recognizes what I have been barking at the moon about all along.

Eddy currents are going to hold the magnetic gas in one place and nothing is going to propagate out into the coils, all due to the copper tubes.

Try wrapping your own transformer and make the very first wrap from flat copper foil soldered or welded similar to a pipe.  Your transformer will not work at all, no matter how good your coil wraps are.

http://www.launc.tased.edu.au/ONLINE/SCIENCES/physics/Lenz%27s.html

Urgent Message!!
===============================================
Missing the Points, Stan Cleary States .

NOTE
"""Moving gas is not required any more!!"" That was a evolution of the design"
"a learning curve which was a required learn process "

The Last Version and KNowledge from Stan Him self was as Follows ==
==============================================
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EPG
It is the light which is moving not the gas.

The lazer led light is looped at light speed
and compounded,

the gas is stationary and can virtually be any mix" some work better than others.

The electrons on the stationary gas spin up and out into coils and in parallel circuit
and make I quote extrordinary amounts of power"

I quote Stan again "What Can't you do now?"

Stan Meyer New Zealand Video.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM

The experiment that proves the EPG worked.

I have done this many times. To do the experiment we are going to expand and contract a magnetic field in a coil.

Take a PVC pipe. Wrap a coil around it 1000 times. Now take an iron bolt, wrap a coil around it to make an electromagnet. Place the electromagnet in the pipe, which is placing it in the center of the coil on the pvc.

Take a volt meter and hook it to the PVC coil. Apply a DC (or ac) voltage to the electromagnet, watch how as the magnetic field expands and contracts, that current starts to flow in the PVC coil.

Congrats, you made a replication of how the EPG works.

No, seems to me all I've made is a very inefficient transformer.

So my take away from all this is the EPG is nothing more than a toroidal transformer.  Guess I don't understand what we are getting all excited about then.  Can someone show me how possibly this device is utilizing the Delayed Lenz Effect concept?  Because if it's not doing that, it has little chance of extracting any energy from the vacuum.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 18th, 2013, 11:21 PM

I don't mean to be rude, but everything you just said is irrelevant to the EPG. Please consider what im saying here, thanks.

The EPG isn't even remotely close to a toroidal transformer other than the fact that its circular.

The laser EPG doesn't display the delayed Lenz effect because Lenz effect would only be present in a moving field, where as in the laser EPG, the field is expanding and contracting. As the field expands and when it contracts, it transverses the electrons in the coil (perpendicularly) causing a current to flow.

Im not sure where you get "extract energy from the vacuum", please fill me in because that is a bizarre set of words for the EPG.

As far as the experiment that proves it out, its the same exact way the laser EPG makes electrical energy. The only difference is the electromagnet in the center of the coil instead of a magnetic gas. So its designs to demonstrate that the principle of the laser EPG does indeed work.

Okay, I'm just not getting this device then, so let me back up.

The EPG (Laser type) is a circular non-conductive closed tube, wrapped with coils.  Some type of gas (argon with iron particles) is sealed inside the tube and pulse by a laser.  When the laser is pulsed, electrical energy is extracted from the coils.  The amount of energy extracted exceeds that which is used to drive the laser.  Am I anywhere close to describing this device?

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM

Take a PVC pipe. Wrap a coil around it 1000 times. Now take an iron bolt, wrap a coil around it to make an electromagnet. Place the electromagnet in the pipe, which is placing it in the center of the coil on the pvc.

Take a volt meter and hook it to the PVC coil. Apply a DC (not ac) voltage to the electromagnet, watch how as the magnetic field expands and contracts, that current starts to flow in the PVC coil.

Congrats, you made a replication of how the EPG works.

The very instance you close the switch, or whatever you use to close the loop from the DC source to the iron bolt electromagnet, the intrinsic inductance in the electromagnet induces an electromagnetic field into it's immideate surroundings, in which of course also the PVC coil resides, hence you would be able to measure a voltage across the PVC coil.
However, after a (short) while the electromagnet's inductance would get "saturated" so the current going through the electromagnet would cease to change, it would reach a maximum and not change any more, other that when the DC voltage feeding it changes of course and if it (the electromagnet) after that then doesn't move any inside the PVC pipe the voltage across the PVC coil would consequently drop to zero so the voltage you measure in the PVC coil would indeed be a short lived one unless the current going through the electromagnet starts changing.

This I understand.

So what is the true purpose of the EPG then?
Is it to "enhance" the hydrogen derived from a WFC, make it more explosive if you will, prior to feeding it to a combustion engine?

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 11:16 AM

Quote from Matt Watts on December 19th, 2013, 01:03 AM

The EPG (Laser type) is a circular non-conductive closed tube, wrapped with coils.  Some type of gas (argon with iron particles) is sealed inside the tube and pulse by a laser.  When the laser is pulsed, electrical energy is extracted from the coils.  The amount of energy extracted exceeds that which is used to drive the laser.  Am I anywhere close to describing this device?

I will make some drawing so you can see whats really going on. But what you described is the basis of what it is.

So basically the EPG is another 'stand alone COP>1' device then, capable of putting out more power/effect as compared to what you put in the process from the  beginning?
The reason for asking is that Meyer's dune buggy, which ran on his 11 cell WFC, also had an EPG mounted on it, http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=4426 , which in other words means that his buggy had 2 separate COP>1 devices working together to make the buggy run.
It just seems a bit overkill to me, especially as Stan said himself that his WFC put out combustible gases which could be used as is, which is serving as a fuel for your car and there would'nt be any need to add anything more to the WFC setup at hand, which includes electronics, cells, flame arrestors etc etc, all this would be enough to close the loop having your car power the WFC setup as is.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 18th, 2013, 07:02 PM

Some may know me on these forums. I am working on my BA in electronics engineering, am very knowledgeable in quantum mechanics and also very well mechanically inclined. I will set the bar straight about the EPG, which I have been working on for a long time now.

For one, to the people who keep going on about we need a different tube than copper.

Stan states clearly in the new Zealand video its copper tubing. The magnet dropping through a copper pipe is real and is something that is going to happen. In all of stan meyer epg except the laser epg, this was one of the largest issues.

For two, the whole stationary gas.

The gas doesn't move, it is stationary in the Laser EPG. This is because of the laser pulse being absorbed and emitted throughout the tube. The reason for separating the iron with argon gas in to a compound is to isolate the iron atoms. If we shot a laser at a block of iron, it would just reflect. By isolating the iron atoms, we can allow for absorption.

How the laser EPG really works.

The laser pulse, which remember its important that its a pulse, not a solid beam of laser energy. As the photons absorb in to the atom, the electrons move out on to a higher orbit. When they do that, the forces between the nucleus and the electrons weaken, allowing the electrons to spin faster in place. When the atom then throws the energy out and it gets absorbed in to another atom, its the expansion of the electromagnetic field (not the electrons) that allow current to flow through the coils. So as the pulse goes around, the field gets bigger and smaller. Think of it like a wave going around the coil.

Some people think its the electrons that get picked up by the coil. Its not. Its the magnetic field that transverse with the electrons in the coil wire (copper atoms) (perpendicularly) that causes current to flow.

Looped laser creates a stronger laser pulse.

Not true. In fact, as the laser beam comes around more and more, it doesn't increase the photon energy, it increases the photon energy density. Take two lasers, make an X with them. Where that X meets isn't twice the photon power, its twice the density of photon energy.

The experiment that proves the EPG worked.

I have done this many times. To do the experiment we are going to expand and contract a magnetic field in a coil.

Take a PVC pipe. Wrap a coil around it 1000 times. Now take an iron bolt, wrap a coil around it to make an electromagnet. Place the electromagnet in the pipe, which is placing it in the center of the coil on the pvc.

Take a volt meter and hook it to the PVC coil. Apply a DC (not ac) voltage to the electromagnet, watch how as the magnetic field expands and contracts, that current starts to flow in the PVC coil.

Congrats, you made a replication of how the EPG works.


If their is more to address, please leave me a question. I know how this system works and have several methods of making a magnetized gas that im trying to work on and get ready for a testing session.

This is a link http://www.nature.com/srep/2012/120704/s...00492.html  that Axil has on the popper tread http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=659&page=103&highlight=pap last page as it is a large thread it may be of interest to you he has a few posts there eg #2048,#2055 and #2056 which are worth a look. You may also find that most of the people on these forums are engineers like yourself. I wish you luck with your research.

What I have a hard time with, is where and how is the laser introduced, into/onto the EPG? Is it inside the tube, outside the tube, just don't get it? Is it truly a laser or just LED's. If it is a laser what wattage and color, and can one be built hacking into and using a DVD laser diode? :cool::D

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 19th, 2013, 02:40 PM

What I have a hard time with, is where and how is the laser introduced, into/onto the EPG? Is it inside the tube, outside the tube, just don't get it? Is it truly a laser or just LED's. If it is a laser what wattage and color, and can one be built hacking into and using a DVD laser diode? :cool::D

Hello Jeff
The post at the top of the page talks about a 10watt laser detailed specs would be good to have.

Quote from TeaJunky on December 19th, 2013, 03:04 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 19th, 2013, 02:40 PM

What I have a hard time with, is where and how is the laser introduced, into/onto the EPG? Is it inside the tube, outside the tube, just don't get it? Is it truly a laser or just LED's. If it is a laser what wattage and color, and can one be built hacking into and using a DVD laser diode? :cool::D

Hello Jeff
The post at the top of the page talks about a 10watt laser detailed specs would be good to have.

I'll take a look, and yes we need more detailed information about the laser, at least my questions answered, :D:D thanks TeaJunky. :P