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The EPG (Laser type) is a circular non-conductive closed tube, wrapped with coils.  Some type of gas (argon with iron particles) is sealed inside the tube and pulse by a laser.  When the laser is pulsed, electrical energy is extracted from the coils.  The amount of energy extracted exceeds that which is used to drive the laser.  Am I anywhere close to describing this device?

I will make some drawing so you can see whats really going on. But what you described is the basis of what it is.

So basically the EPG is another 'stand alone COP>1' device then, capable of putting out more power/effect as compared to what you put in the process from the  beginning?
The reason for asking is that Meyer's dune buggy, which ran on his 11 cell WFC, also had an EPG mounted on it, http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=4426 , which in other words means that his buggy had 2 separate COP>1 devices working together to make the buggy run.
It just seems a bit overkill to me, especially as Stan said himself that his WFC put out combustible gases which could be used as is, which is serving as a fuel for your car and there would'nt be any need to add anything more to the WFC setup at hand, which includes electronics, cells, flame arrestors etc etc, all this would be enough to close the loop having your car power the WFC setup as is.

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

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What I have a hard time with, is where and how is the laser introduced, into/onto the EPG? Is it inside the tube, outside the tube, just don't get it? Is it truly a laser or just LED's. If it is a laser what wattage and color, and can one be built hacking into and using a DVD laser diode? :cool::D

Hello Jeff
The post at the top of the page talks about a 10watt laser detailed specs would be good to have.

I'll take a look, and yes we need more detailed information about the laser, at least my questions answered, :D:D thanks TeaJunky. :P

What you really aught to know is that a solid state laser diode wont do. Nor an LED. What you need is an ion laser. We all know ion lasers have two ends, one is 100% reflective the other is 50% reflective, that's designed to make a straight output beam. What if we took those ends off and place a tube inline with the ends. The laser would come out of both ends, circle the pipe and return.

That's how we compound the lasers. What type of ion gas is best? Argon? Krypton? Neither really. What I believe is that the ion gas source for the laser isn't a separate gas, but it is using the magnetic gas as its ion gas. Its perfect that way.

Well just think about it :)

This all sounds good, but don't see how a laser would work with out a focused beam, also light beams don't bend in a circle. Optical prisums-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism
reflect light into different degrees of angle but never in a circle like the EPG would need. So, I'm just saying, I don't see how this would work, please explain. :D

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I will make some drawing so you can see whats really going on. But what you described is the basis of what it is.

So basically the EPG is another 'stand alone COP>1' device then, capable of putting out more power/effect as compared to what you put in the process from the  beginning?
The reason for asking is that Meyer's dune buggy, which ran on his 11 cell WFC, also had an EPG mounted on it, http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=4426 , which in other words means that his buggy had 2 separate COP>1 devices working together to make the buggy run.
It just seems a bit overkill to me, especially as Stan said himself that his WFC put out combustible gases which could be used as is, which is serving as a fuel for your car and there would'nt be any need to add anything more to the WFC setup at hand, which includes electronics, cells, flame arrestors etc etc, all this would be enough to close the loop having your car power the WFC setup as is.

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

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Hello Jeff
The post at the top of the page talks about a 10watt laser detailed specs would be good to have.

I'll take a look, and yes we need more detailed information about the laser, at least my questions answered, :D:D thanks TeaJunky. :P

What you really aught to know is that a solid state laser diode wont do. Nor an LED. What you need is an ion laser. We all know ion lasers have two ends, one is 100% reflective the other is 50% reflective, that's designed to make a straight output beam. What if we took those ends off and place a tube inline with the ends. The laser would come out of both ends, circle the pipe and return.

That's how we compound the lasers. What type of ion gas is best? Argon? Krypton? Neither really. What I believe is that the ion gas source for the laser isn't a separate gas, but it is using the magnetic gas as its ion gas. Its perfect that way.

Well just think about it :)

This all sounds good, but don't see how a laser would work with out a focused beam, also light beams don't bend in a circle. Optical prisums-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism
reflect light into different degrees of angle but never in a circle like the EPG would need. So, I'm just saying, I don't see how this would work, please explain. :D

Very good points, all in which are correct. What is need is laser energy, in other words, photon energy. Lasers being the point that they can put out a lot of power, ion lasers in particular. Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy.

Now as far as the circle goes, that's right, lasers travel in a straight line. What you cant see from the outside is the laser is bouncing all around the walls inside the pipe. Its also not a focused laser beam point, but a pulse of photons bouncing around in their. Eventually the pulse of photons would smoothen out as they bounce around and become more uniform.

The EPG can be refined, in to lets say a hexagon shape. So the beam doesn't bounce around so much. As photons bounce they loose energy. Very very very tiny amounts and that does depend on certain factors. Energy is also lost from contact with the surface. The only way to prevent that is to have a 100% reflective surface.

Ok, I see some of what you are saying a highly polished tube, but still have doubts, and with the reflectors removed from the laser you would not have two unfocused beams, just one, because this is what you are reflecting in a laser tube, one end result, one highly focused beam of light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#Design

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Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 03:47 PM

Quote from Lynx on December 19th, 2013, 12:34 PM

So basically the EPG is another 'stand alone COP>1' device then, capable of putting out more power/effect as compared to what you put in the process from the  beginning?
The reason for asking is that Meyer's dune buggy, which ran on his 11 cell WFC, also had an EPG mounted on it, http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=4426 , which in other words means that his buggy had 2 separate COP>1 devices working together to make the buggy run.
It just seems a bit overkill to me, especially as Stan said himself that his WFC put out combustible gases which could be used as is, which is serving as a fuel for your car and there would'nt be any need to add anything more to the WFC setup at hand, which includes electronics, cells, flame arrestors etc etc, all this would be enough to close the loop having your car power the WFC setup as is.

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 19th, 2013, 03:29 PM

I'll take a look, and yes we need more detailed information about the laser, at least my questions answered, :D:D thanks TeaJunky. :P

What you really aught to know is that a solid state laser diode wont do. Nor an LED. What you need is an ion laser. We all know ion lasers have two ends, one is 100% reflective the other is 50% reflective, that's designed to make a straight output beam. What if we took those ends off and place a tube inline with the ends. The laser would come out of both ends, circle the pipe and return.

That's how we compound the lasers. What type of ion gas is best? Argon? Krypton? Neither really. What I believe is that the ion gas source for the laser isn't a separate gas, but it is using the magnetic gas as its ion gas. Its perfect that way.

Well just think about it :)

This all sounds good, but don't see how a laser would work with out a focused beam, also light beams don't bend in a circle. Optical prisums-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism
reflect light into different degrees of angle but never in a circle like the EPG would need. So, I'm just saying, I don't see how this would work, please explain. :D

Very good points, all in which are correct. What is need is laser energy, in other words, photon energy. Lasers being the point that they can put out a lot of power, ion lasers in particular. Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy.

Now as far as the circle goes, that's right, lasers travel in a straight line. What you cant see from the outside is the laser is bouncing all around the walls inside the pipe. Its also not a focused laser beam point, but a pulse of photons bouncing around in their. Eventually the pulse of photons would smoothen out as they bounce around and become more uniform.

The EPG can be refined, in to lets say a hexagon shape. So the beam doesn't bounce around so much. As photons bounce they loose energy. Very very very tiny amounts and that does depend on certain factors. Energy is also lost from contact with the surface. The only way to prevent that is to have a 100% reflective surface.

Ok, I see some of what you are saying a highly polished tube, but still have doubts, and with the reflectors removed from the laser you would not have two unfocused beams, just one, because this is what you are reflecting in a laser tube, one end result, one highly focused beam of light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#Design

That's incorrect. Don't confuse a helium-neon laser for say an argon ion laser. Especially don't confuse these for semiconductor lasers.

Watch this video to understand how an ion laser works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48WkYbkhJO4

An Ion laser has two ends, each end has a mirror. The backend has a 100% reflective mirror. The front end has a 50% mirror. This allows all of the randomly bouncing photons to eventually bounce off the back and front mirrors. Only then to release off of the front mirror at 50%.

So if we took both mirrors off of the ion laser. We would get two unfocused beams of photons. The fact that they are unfocused doesn't matter in terms of being in a closed loop tube.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 03:47 PM

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

Ok, thanks.
Do you have any reference to where it says that he (Meyer) used the EPG for the injectors?
There's so many documents around on the subject that 'm kinda lost in the wilderness.......

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Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 03:47 PM

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

Ok, thanks.
Do you have any reference to where it says that he (Meyer) used the EPG for the injectors?
There's so many documents around on the subject that 'm kinda lost in the wilderness.......

Well I mean all we can do is speculate. I mean why would he attach a full size EPG to the buggy for really?

I think to run the electronics including the cell. So he could get rid of the alternator and probably use a smaller battery.

Otherwise, maybe its just a way for him to do as said above, but the main purpose being that he is showing it off.

What it could be, is that his cells just aren't producing enough HHO to really run the dune buggy all that great (as stated by testimonials etc) and the EPG is used to power the thing to produce high hho output. This is probably what happen.

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Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 03:47 PM

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

Ok, thanks.
Do you have any reference to where it says that he (Meyer) used the EPG for the injectors?
There's so many documents around on the subject that 'm kinda lost in the wilderness.......

Well I mean all we can do is speculate. I mean why would he attach a full size EPG to the buggy for really?

I think to run the electronics including the cell. So he could get rid of the alternator and probably use a smaller battery.

Otherwise, maybe its just a way for him to do as said above, but the main purpose being that he is showing it off.

What it could be, is that his cells just aren't producing enough HHO to really run the dune buggy all that great (as stated by testimonials etc) and the EPG is used to power the thing to produce high hho output. This is probably what happen.

Ok, thanks.
Well I choose to believe that he did run his buggy using the WFC and then feeding the hydrogen through a gas processor, further enhancing the energy of the hydrogen, prior to having it entering the motor mixed with parts of the exhaust "non combustible" gases solely for the purpose of slowing down the burn rate of the hydrogen/gas mixture in order to cool things down a bit in the cylinders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY6ypekj-UQ

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Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 03:47 PM

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

Ok, thanks.
Do you have any reference to where it says that he (Meyer) used the EPG for the injectors?
There's so many documents around on the subject that 'm kinda lost in the wilderness.......

Well I mean all we can do is speculate. I mean why would he attach a full size EPG to the buggy for really?

I think to run the electronics including the cell. So he could get rid of the alternator and probably use a smaller battery.

Otherwise, maybe its just a way for him to do as said above, but the main purpose being that he is showing it off.

What it could be, is that his cells just aren't producing enough HHO to really run the dune buggy all that great (as stated by testimonials etc) and the EPG is used to power the thing to produce high hho output. This is probably what happen.

Ok, thanks.
Well I choose to believe that he did run his buggy using the WFC and then feeding the hydrogen through a gas processor, further enhancing the energy of the hydrogen, prior to having it entering the motor mixed with parts of the exhaust "non combustible" gases solely for the purpose of slowing down the burn rate of the hydrogen/gas mixture in order to cool things down a bit in the cylinders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY6ypekj-UQ

In terms of hydrogen side of things that is correct.

To further detail, he doesn't run the hydrogen through the gas processor. He runs the oxygen through it. The Hydrogen Gas Gun pulls off at least 4 electrons (the more the better). What this does is puts the oxygen ions in to subcritical state. So when the implosion occurs, the hydrogen and the oxygen try to form a molecule. Since the oxygen ion is in the subcritical state, it must pull energy out of the 4th dimension or the aperture as he calls it. This energy fills the missing electrons and completes a fully formed water molecule.

Given that, its when you flood the oxygen with more energy from the aperture, that you get a higher power output from the same gas.

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 20th, 2013, 12:26 PM

To further detail, he doesn't run the hydrogen through the gas processor. He runs the oxygen through it. The Hydrogen Gas Gun pulls off at least 4 electrons (the more the better). What this does is puts the oxygen ions in to subcritical state. So when the implosion occurs, the hydrogen and the oxygen try to form a molecule. Since the oxygen ion is in the subcritical state, it must pull energy out of the 4th dimension or the aperture as he calls it. This energy fills the missing electrons and completes a fully formed water molecule.

Given that, its when you flood the oxygen with more energy from the aperture, that you get a higher power output from the same gas.

Okidok, that was way too advanced for my Eniac kind of a brain to compute, so I'll just take your word for it.
One things for sure though, Meyer did have some pretty interesting tech to offer no doubt, one can only hope forums like this will one day unravel the very inner workings of them all.
Let's hope though they all fall under the KISS principle when it comes to replicating them so we don't have to rely on all too advanced math and quantum physics in order to find the reciepes to all these secret sauces.

Quote from Lynx on December 20th, 2013, 04:21 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 20th, 2013, 12:26 PM

To further detail, he doesn't run the hydrogen through the gas processor. He runs the oxygen through it. The Hydrogen Gas Gun pulls off at least 4 electrons (the more the better). What this does is puts the oxygen ions in to subcritical state. So when the implosion occurs, the hydrogen and the oxygen try to form a molecule. Since the oxygen ion is in the subcritical state, it must pull energy out of the 4th dimension or the aperture as he calls it. This energy fills the missing electrons and completes a fully formed water molecule.

Given that, its when you flood the oxygen with more energy from the aperture, that you get a higher power output from the same gas.

Okidok, that was way too advanced for my Eniac kind of a brain to compute, so I'll just take your word for it.
One things for sure though, Meyer did have some pretty interesting tech to offer no doubt, one can only hope forums like this will one day unravel the very inner workings of them all.
Let's hope though they all fall under the KISS principle when it comes to replicating them so we don't have to rely on all too advanced math and quantum physics in order to find the reciepes to all these secret sauces.

hahaha thanks. The EPG is much more advanced. That is why only a few people here seem to be able to wrap their heads around it.

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Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 19th, 2013, 03:47 PM

It does seem overkill, but stan is an over kill kind of guy ya know? The reason for the EPG is to run the injectors and all other electronics without needing an alternator. Alternators take a lot of torque to move which means more HHO needed. So by getting rid of that, he is increasing the efficiency.

What you really aught to know is that a solid state laser diode wont do. Nor an LED. What you need is an ion laser. We all know ion lasers have two ends, one is 100% reflective the other is 50% reflective, that's designed to make a straight output beam. What if we took those ends off and place a tube inline with the ends. The laser would come out of both ends, circle the pipe and return.

That's how we compound the lasers. What type of ion gas is best? Argon? Krypton? Neither really. What I believe is that the ion gas source for the laser isn't a separate gas, but it is using the magnetic gas as its ion gas. Its perfect that way.

Well just think about it :)

This all sounds good, but don't see how a laser would work with out a focused beam, also light beams don't bend in a circle. Optical prisums-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism
reflect light into different degrees of angle but never in a circle like the EPG would need. So, I'm just saying, I don't see how this would work, please explain. :D

Very good points, all in which are correct. What is need is laser energy, in other words, photon energy. Lasers being the point that they can put out a lot of power, ion lasers in particular. Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy.

Now as far as the circle goes, that's right, lasers travel in a straight line. What you cant see from the outside is the laser is bouncing all around the walls inside the pipe. Its also not a focused laser beam point, but a pulse of photons bouncing around in their. Eventually the pulse of photons would smoothen out as they bounce around and become more uniform.

The EPG can be refined, in to lets say a hexagon shape. So the beam doesn't bounce around so much. As photons bounce they loose energy. Very very very tiny amounts and that does depend on certain factors. Energy is also lost from contact with the surface. The only way to prevent that is to have a 100% reflective surface.

Ok, I see some of what you are saying a highly polished tube, but still have doubts, and with the reflectors removed from the laser you would not have two unfocused beams, just one, because this is what you are reflecting in a laser tube, one end result, one highly focused beam of light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#Design

That's incorrect. Don't confuse a helium-neon laser for say an argon ion laser. Especially don't confuse these for semiconductor lasers.

Watch this video to understand how an ion laser works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48WkYbkhJO4

An Ion laser has two ends, each end has a mirror. The backend has a 100% reflective mirror. The front end has a 50% mirror. This allows all of the randomly bouncing photons to eventually bounce off the back and front mirrors. Only then to release off of the front mirror at 50%.

So if we took both mirrors off of the ion laser. We would get two unfocused beams of photons. The fact that they are unfocused doesn't matter in terms of being in a closed loop tube.

Well, I watched part of your laser video, if you watch it 13 seconds in it specifically states that laser light travels in one direction only, one wave length one direction, monochromatic, like I stated, the reason for the reflecting mirrors. If I am wrong I would be the first to admit it but the video shows laser light moving in one direction.

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Quote from Jeff Nading on December 19th, 2013, 08:14 PM

This all sounds good, but don't see how a laser would work with out a focused beam, also light beams don't bend in a circle. Optical prisums-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prism
reflect light into different degrees of angle but never in a circle like the EPG would need. So, I'm just saying, I don't see how this would work, please explain. :D

Very good points, all in which are correct. What is need is laser energy, in other words, photon energy. Lasers being the point that they can put out a lot of power, ion lasers in particular. Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy.

Now as far as the circle goes, that's right, lasers travel in a straight line. What you cant see from the outside is the laser is bouncing all around the walls inside the pipe. Its also not a focused laser beam point, but a pulse of photons bouncing around in their. Eventually the pulse of photons would smoothen out as they bounce around and become more uniform.

The EPG can be refined, in to lets say a hexagon shape. So the beam doesn't bounce around so much. As photons bounce they loose energy. Very very very tiny amounts and that does depend on certain factors. Energy is also lost from contact with the surface. The only way to prevent that is to have a 100% reflective surface.

Ok, I see some of what you are saying a highly polished tube, but still have doubts, and with the reflectors removed from the laser you would not have two unfocused beams, just one, because this is what you are reflecting in a laser tube, one end result, one highly focused beam of light.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser#Design

That's incorrect. Don't confuse a helium-neon laser for say an argon ion laser. Especially don't confuse these for semiconductor lasers.

Watch this video to understand how an ion laser works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48WkYbkhJO4

An Ion laser has two ends, each end has a mirror. The backend has a 100% reflective mirror. The front end has a 50% mirror. This allows all of the randomly bouncing photons to eventually bounce off the back and front mirrors. Only then to release off of the front mirror at 50%.

So if we took both mirrors off of the ion laser. We would get two unfocused beams of photons. The fact that they are unfocused doesn't matter in terms of being in a closed loop tube.

Well, I watched part of your laser video, if you watch it 13 seconds in it specifically states that laser light travels in one direction only, one wave length one direction, monochromatic, like I stated, the reason for the reflecting mirrors. If I am wrong I would be the first to admit it but the video shows laser light moving in one direction.

Energy travels in one direction. That direction is random. Mirrors are placed in order to direct the flow, that's the difference between a light bulb and a laser. Its all photon energy. Wavelength doesn't matter, its just directing the photon directions through reflection in to a confined point and direction.

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 05:43 PM

Well, I watched part of your laser video, if you watch it 13 seconds in it specifically states that laser light travels in one direction only, one wave length one direction, monochromatic, like I stated, the reason for the reflecting mirrors. If I am wrong I would be the first to admit it but the video shows laser light moving in one direction.

Jeff, I think what we have is similar to multi-mode fiber optic cable--the light bounces within the fiber but always moves forward.  Single-mode fiber optic cable on the other hand, the light moves perfectly straight ahead and does not bounce due to the fiber's thickness.  This style of cable is also much more expensive because of it's exact measurements and construction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-mode_optical_fiber

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Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 05:43 PM

Well, I watched part of your laser video, if you watch it 13 seconds in it specifically states that laser light travels in one direction only, one wave length one direction, monochromatic, like I stated, the reason for the reflecting mirrors. If I am wrong I would be the first to admit it but the video shows laser light moving in one direction.

Jeff, I think what we have is similar to multi-mode fiber optic cable--the light bounces within the fiber but always moves forward.  Single-mode fiber optic cable on the other hand, the light moves perfectly straight ahead and does not bounce due to the fiber's thickness.  This style of cable is also much more expensive because of it's exact measurements and construction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-mode_optical_fiber

Ok I understand this, but what has been stated by GoldBl4d3, meaning no affence, just trying to wrap my mind around this here

Quote "Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy." end quote

Lasers have a focused beam, one beam not two, even with the mirrors removed you would still have one beam, one direction not two beams moving in opposite directions. Am I correct or all wet here. To me, laser light is emitted from a source, a starting point, one point of origin not two. You would have to have two points of origin to have two beams moving in two directions.  

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 07:04 PM

Ok I understand this, but what has been stated by GoldBl4d3, meaning no affence, just trying to wrap my mind around this here

Quote "Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy." end quote

Lasers have a focused beam, one beam not two, even with the mirrors removed you would still have one beam, one direction not two beams moving in opposite directions. Am I correct or all wet here. To me, laser light is emitted from a source, a starting point, one point of origin not two. You would have to have two points of origin to have two beams moving in two directions.

Probably not a bad idea to get back to fundamentals, like the term LASER (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation).  So basically if you pulled off both mirrors, gone would be the Light Amplification.  It's this bouncing all around inside the Laser tube, receiving more and more radiation that produces the highly excited (energetic) light beam.  And the beam itself comes from having only a small exit window on the one mirror.  The rays of light can only exit when they are perfectly lined up with this window, otherwise they continue to bounce around inside the tube picking up more energy.

So what I see is that Light Amplification isn't needed at all, just the Stimulated Emission of Radiation part.  Like you Jeff, I would like to be able to wrap my head around what sort of device would be responsible for this.  An Antenna?  A magnetron tube?  What exactly is inputting the radiation?  I'm beginning to detect some circular logic here.

Now according to WikiPedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser

There is a Gain Medium excited by an electrical field that forms a plasma.  So my take away from this is really all we need is a round reflective Laser tube with no mirrors, all wrapped with coils and energized by a typical pulsed Laser oscillator.  Seems doable.  The obvious catch is, what gets this circulating in a particular direction so as to generate electrical power?

Quote from Matt Watts on December 20th, 2013, 07:40 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 07:04 PM

Ok I understand this, but what has been stated by GoldBl4d3, meaning no affence, just trying to wrap my mind around this here

Quote "Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy." end quote

Lasers have a focused beam, one beam not two, even with the mirrors removed you would still have one beam, one direction not two beams moving in opposite directions. Am I correct or all wet here. To me, laser light is emitted from a source, a starting point, one point of origin not two. You would have to have two points of origin to have two beams moving in two directions.

Probably not a bad idea to get back to fundamentals, like the term LASER (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation).  So basically if you pulled off both mirrors, gone would be the Light Amplification.  It's this bouncing all around inside the Laser tube, receiving more and more radiation that produces the highly excited (energetic) light beam.  And the beam itself comes from having only a small exit window on the one mirror.  The rays of light can only exit when they are perfectly lined up with this window, otherwise they continue to bounce around inside the tube picking up more energy.

So what I see is that Light Amplification isn't needed at all, just the Stimulated Emission of Radiation part.  Like you Jeff, I would like to be able to wrap my head around what sort of device would be responsible for this.  An Antenna?  A magnetron tube?  What exactly is inputting the radiation?  I'm beginning to detect some circular logic here.

:idea: So, light [ion] radiation bounces within the tube, meaning it can go any direction when reflected within a highly polished tube, even though there is only one point of origin. I see now, is this about right? Thanks Matt and GoldBl4d3. :D

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 08:01 PM

:idea: So, light [ion] radiation bounces within the tube, meaning it can go any direction when reflected within a highly polished tube, even though there is only one point of origin. I see now, is this about right? Thanks Matt and GoldBl4d3. :D

So if we use a tube with cladding as in a piece of fiber optic cable, we can contain any photon energy.  Now the difficult part for me is how would we construct the equivalent of an optical diode?  This would be needed to coerce the photon energy to move in only one direction.  We get that far and the amplification is a no-brainer since the photon energy could never leave.  The "ENERGY" could however be extracted from the coils, provided we can get internal circular motion of the Gain Medium.

I think this optical diode I mentioned would need to be some sort of parabolic mirror arranged in a fashion where regardless of the direction a photon strikes the mirror, the mirror always reflects the light in a particular direction.  Ha!  Even more simple, use one-way mirrors.  Easy.

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 08:01 PM

Quote from Matt Watts on December 20th, 2013, 07:40 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 20th, 2013, 07:04 PM

Ok I understand this, but what has been stated by GoldBl4d3, meaning no affence, just trying to wrap my mind around this here

Quote "Lasers have a focused beam from the two reflecting mirrors I mentioned in my post above. But remove those mirrors and you get two beams that aren't highly focused, yet still within constraint. So a laser BEAM isn't needed, but laser energy." end quote

Lasers have a focused beam, one beam not two, even with the mirrors removed you would still have one beam, one direction not two beams moving in opposite directions. Am I correct or all wet here. To me, laser light is emitted from a source, a starting point, one point of origin not two. You would have to have two points of origin to have two beams moving in two directions.

Probably not a bad idea to get back to fundamentals, like the term LASER (Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation).  So basically if you pulled off both mirrors, gone would be the Light Amplification.  It's this bouncing all around inside the Laser tube, receiving more and more radiation that produces the highly excited (energetic) light beam.  And the beam itself comes from having only a small exit window on the one mirror.  The rays of light can only exit when they are perfectly lined up with this window, otherwise they continue to bounce around inside the tube picking up more energy.

So what I see is that Light Amplification isn't needed at all, just the Stimulated Emission of Radiation part.  Like you Jeff, I would like to be able to wrap my head around what sort of device would be responsible for this.  An Antenna?  A magnetron tube?  What exactly is inputting the radiation?  I'm beginning to detect some circular logic here.

:idea: So, light [ion] radiation bounces within the tube, meaning it can go any direction when reflected within a highly polished tube, even though there is only one point of origin. I see now, is this about right? Thanks Matt and GoldBl4d3. :D

Hey their now your getting it, great to hear.

Take a ION laser. Pull off each end (the mirrors). Connect a pipe end from end that is reflective inside.

Now pulse the laser. The part you may get confused at is why does this work if we need light amplification causes from all of the bouncing photons in a normal laser.

See it like this.

The ION laser will produce a small amount of photon energy that bounces within the laser tube and will bounce around until its bouncing around the reflective tube. This will come out both ends. In a moderately confined area.

Now as these photon groups loop back to the start point inside the laser tube, that is considered equal to the one pulse. So then pulse the laser again and we pack in more density. As we do this out photon groups become more and more dense. So when the extremely dense photon groups are inside the laser, it gets rid of the need for mirrors, because its super dense and random so that's where light amplification from stimulated emission of radiation comes in :)

So does that make sense at all?

Im going to design an animation to show how my own way of the EPG will work. As I show you the animation, you will see how the lasers can compound.

Remember, compounding lasers are a dream. To compound one laser pulse of constant value to higher and higher density areas, well, you essentially have a plasma gun or photon gun that would blast through steel. At the pull of the trigger.

Well, here
http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/sam/lasercar.htm

now we can build a laser. :cool::D:P

fyi

http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/red-laser-diode
laser was the middle pc
http://www.diane-neisius.de/laser/index_E.html

hex copper
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/IR_Hex_Light_Pipe.jpg

epg design hack
http://www.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher4.htm

making the laser input tube
http://pipebending.wordpress.com/category/pipe-bending-tube-bending-articles-press-releases/


dyi laser
http://www.laserfx.com/Backstage.LaserFX.com/Hobby/Hobby4.html


buildhttps://www.google.co.th/search?q=reed+cavitation&client=opera&hs=kqT&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=C-y1UurcNonZigeuioC4Cg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=688#q=copper+tube+with+laser&tbm=isch

Quote from securesupplies on December 21st, 2013, 11:44 AM

fyi


laser was the middle pc
http://www.diane-neisius.de/laser/index_E.html

hex copper
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/IR_Hex_Light_Pipe.jpg

epg design hack
http://www.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher4.htm

making the laser input tube
http://pipebending.wordpress.com/category/pipe-bending-tube-bending-articles-press-releases/


dyi laser
http://www.laserfx.com/Backstage.LaserFX.com/Hobby/Hobby4.html


buildhttps://www.google.co.th/search?q=reed+cavitation&client=opera&hs=kqT&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=C-y1UurcNonZigeuioC4Cg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=688#q=copper+tube+with+laser&tbm=isch

laser can be added with laser geneator 100 wat and fiver optic to epg , simple shat entry to side of loop tube copper and laser zoom around one way pass the 45' entry point

Stop talking start doing

Quote from securesupplies on December 21st, 2013, 11:44 AM

fyi

http://www.ebay.com.au/bhp/red-laser-diode
laser was the middle pc
http://www.diane-neisius.de/laser/index_E.html

hex copper
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/IR_Hex_Light_Pipe.jpg

epg design hack
http://www.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher4.htm

making the laser input tube
http://pipebending.wordpress.com/category/pipe-bending-tube-bending-articles-press-releases/


dyi laser
http://www.laserfx.com/Backstage.LaserFX.com/Hobby/Hobby4.html


build
https://www.google.co.th/search?q=reed+cavitation&client=opera&hs=kqT&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=C-y1UurcNonZigeuioC4Cg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=688#q=copper+tube+with+laser&tbm=isch

Quote from securesupplies on December 21st, 2013, 11:44 AM

fyi


laser was the middle pc
http://www.diane-neisius.de/laser/index_E.html

hex copper
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/IR_Hex_Light_Pipe.jpg

epg design hack
http://www.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher4.htm

making the laser input tube
http://pipebending.wordpress.com/category/pipe-bending-tube-bending-articles-press-releases/


dyi laser
http://www.laserfx.com/Backstage.LaserFX.com/Hobby/Hobby4.html


build
https://www.google.co.th/search?q=reed+cavitation&client=opera&hs=kqT&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=C-y1UurcNonZigeuioC4Cg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=688#q=copper+tube+with+laser&tbm=isch

laser can be added with laser geneator 100 wat and fiver optic to epg , simple shat entry to side of loop tube copper and laser zoom around one way pass the 45' entry point


Stop talking start doing

Nice resources, but their is no point of a fiber optic cable. Especially a fiber optic cable that can hold 100 watts of power. Which is going to be expensive if you can even find them.

This article on Transparent Aluminum seems related to Meyer Tech:

http://phys.org/news167925273.html
 
Bet they need an electron extraction circuit. ;)

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 04:34 PM

This article on Transparent Aluminum seems related to Meyer Tech:

http://phys.org/news167925273.html
 
Bet they need an electron extraction circuit. ;)

Wow that is interesting, nice find man!

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 04:40 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 04:34 PM

This article on Transparent Aluminum seems related to Meyer Tech:

http://phys.org/news167925273.html
 
Bet they need an electron extraction circuit. ;)

Wow that is interesting, nice find man!

Someone on Zerofossilfuel's ustream chat shared that link, I figured it fit nice here in this thread. :)  
The article says the electrons get knocked off for a brief time.

Quote

Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.

Of course I had to look up what a Femtosecond is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond

1 quadrillionth of a second.

Quote

a ray of light travels approximately 0.3 µm (micrometers) in 1 femtosecond, a distance comparable to the diameter of a virus

After 40 femtoseconds all the electrons need to come back to the aluminum atoms.   Can we pulse a laser say, every 50 femtoseconds?   Would this expanding and contracting electrons be equal to a magnetic field?  No need for magnetic gas, just a light source gas?
So ... say if a soft Xray laser can cause aluminum to shed electrons and turn transparent, the same should be possible for copper?  

Truly amazing Nate.:cool::D:P

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 05:00 PM

Quote from GoldBl4d3 on December 21st, 2013, 04:40 PM

Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2013, 04:34 PM

This article on Transparent Aluminum seems related to Meyer Tech:

http://phys.org/news167925273.html
 
Bet they need an electron extraction circuit. ;)

Wow that is interesting, nice find man!

Someone on Zerofossilfuel's ustream chat shared that link, I figured it fit nice here in this thread. :)  
The article says the electrons get knocked off for a brief time.

Quote

Whilst the invisible effect lasted for only an extremely brief period - an estimated 40 femtoseconds - it demonstrates that such an exotic state of matter can be created using very high power X-ray sources.

Of course I had to look up what a Femtosecond is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femtosecond

1 quadrillionth of a second.

Quote

a ray of light travels approximately 0.3 µm (micrometers) in 1 femtosecond, a distance comparable to the diameter of a virus

After 40 femtoseconds all the electrons need to come back to the aluminum atoms.   Can we pulse a laser say, every 50 femtoseconds?   Would this expanding and contracting electrons be equal to a magnetic field?  No need for magnetic gas, just a light source gas?
So ... say if a soft Xray laser can cause aluminum to shed electrons and turn transparent, the same should be possible for copper?

maybe, your talking about different atomic structures, atomic mass and density. What would nocking of an electron from copper help achieve?