Radiant coil capacitor

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #151, on July 20th, 2021, 04:07 AM »Last edited on July 29th, 2021, 09:01 AM
new phi ratio coils are build.
used 8,22m  1.5mm2 for L2 and L3,
used 0.75mm2 for l1. (longer wire)

all 21cm diameter equal size.
L1 has not got equal mass to l2 l3

21 cm diameter was based on the largest bucket that could fit my vacuum chamber.

Going to hook it up to the c3m dual mosfet pcb, and see how large the between L2 and L3 distance must be for the impulses to be tuned to the max. current.

Since L1 has thin wire (0.75 instead of 2.5) I expect more resistance and longer duration of the impulse thus less negative voltage. I need 3kV, so If it doesn't produce, I will make another coil with 1.5mm2

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3x field implosion
« Reply #152, on July 22nd, 2021, 10:12 AM »
L1 magnetic field implodes when the mosfet switch opens, and creates impulse

L2 recieves the impulse which implodes the dielectric field between L2 and L3

L2 magnetic field implodes.

So we got 3 implosions following each other up very fast. (quarter wave between them).

L3 sits in the middle of all these implosions.

All the field energy that is imploded, must go somewhere...

Into L3, or...  L4

L4 is then close coupled to L2.
L4 is ringing at the speed of the L2(L1) impulse.

L4 is rectified to dc and loaded

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Recycling energy producing power over and over again
« Reply #153, on July 24th, 2021, 02:57 AM »
So we have the disruptive capacitor discharge which produces a current impulse.
This is created by the closing of the capacitor circuit by using a spark gap.
this spark needed to be quenched quickly for the impulse to be unipolar.

Later Tesla invented the disruptive coil discharge, which produced a voltage impulse
this was created by the opening of the coil circuit, by using a relays

to make it unipolar the relays coil was tuned so it would only open very shortly and then close again.

So Tesla then had 2 kinds of impulses.
Voltage and current impulses.

These I now create simultaneously by usimg the coil capacitor.

Both the dielectric field and the Magnetic field are being imploded, by a single impulse.

This impulse first is a voltage impulse from a coil discharge. after a quarter wave it is fully transformed into a current impulse.

This means the field implosions are also a quarter wave separated.

but that isn't bad, because they still overlap, and are both unipolar.

So in this overlap we have a great moment of power by the combination of the fast changing voltage and current of the dielectric and magnetic fields.

This power moment is short in duration, but it happens many times per second.

So the energy is recycled, and in the proces it is used to combine the dielectric and magnetic fields to produce electric power.

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #154, on July 24th, 2021, 04:56 AM »Last edited on July 24th, 2021, 05:13 AM
the colapse/ implosion of the voltage/dielectric field  of the coil capacitor,

is quickly followed by the collapse of the L2 (+cap plate) current.

is it this changing current that draws in the Electrigen gas? swirling in?

And is this swirl able to setup a much larger vortex given enough time?

just like a 100w lily impeller (implosion vortex) is able to set a complete swimming pool in vortex motion.

starting with a swirl that slowly grows bigger into a vortex until the whole swimming pool is moving.

such a large field would have massive inertia, flowing into the vacuum created inside the coil capacitor.

well soon see


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rectify half wave
« Reply #155, on July 27th, 2021, 03:56 AM »
It might be interesting to only rectify the positive voltage half wave of L3.

because then the mosfet switch is off and L1 thus won't be loaded (power supply wont see the load).

also because the positive voltage half wave of L3 starts after mosfet turn off, this is when the impulse is created by L1.
this impulse then collapses the magnetic field of L2, and the dielectric field of the coil capacitor L2 L3.
All that field energy then can flow into an external capacitor bank, connected to a single rectification diode that passes the energy from the implosion, via L3 into the capa bank.

So L3 is only passing the positive voltage through the single diode into the cap bank.

Since we have a implosion of both fields, this transfer should have power

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bucket
« Reply #156, on July 27th, 2021, 10:47 AM »
I tought I had a fitting bucket for my vacuum chamber to cast the epoxy in.

So I made the coils as big as they could be (for lower frequency)

turns out the bucket was just to big.
So I went bucket hunting.
found another one, just to big, returned it.

Luckily I found one that fits, and the coils also fit.
pfew.

Epoxy came in today. still waiting for copper pcb's to make more test caps and compare them. Will make different epoxy TiO2 mixes.

 So I can make a decent cast for the coils. dont want to waiste them.

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test capacitor plates for TiO2 epoxyhese
« Reply #157, on July 28th, 2021, 08:01 AM »Last edited on July 28th, 2021, 08:14 AM
these 12, 5x5cm plates can make 6 capacitors. I ordered a silicone mold of 6x6x2.5 to cast them

this is for the testing of epoxy TiO2 mix between the L2 L3 coil plates.

If the capacitance changes a lot by adding TiO2 to the epoxy It will be worth the effort. Else only epoxy will be used.

I soldered wires to all of them, and tested 2 plates with some paper between them, which gave a capacity of 30pF (@100khz)

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #158, on July 29th, 2021, 08:51 AM »Last edited on July 29th, 2021, 08:59 AM
testing the new phi ratio coils, they behave differently. need to retune...

when the ideal distance is found they can be dipped in epoxy

edit. ah... current probe was reversed
it works. I need a lot of capacity on L2 and  L3 to get the frequency down.
used 121nF on both to get to 78.1kc/s

but the impulse is to weak, I need more voltage. this is  48.7V from the psu.

I will make another coil that will replace L1. thicker wire, less resistance less inductance, more voltage.

distance again is 15mm between L2 L3

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #159, on July 29th, 2021, 09:49 AM »Last edited on July 29th, 2021, 09:52 AM
replaced the 0.75mm2 L1 coil with a 1.5mm2 coil, so now Inhave 3 equal coils again.

with 50V input from the psu I got -2000 V impulses.

I could even go with thicker wire for L1, with even less turns less inductance it will produce even higher voltages.

64V gives 2500V impulses at 77.5 kc/s

I could also tune even lower in frequency, to get higher voltage impulses.

But now its easier to make a 2.5mm2 L1 coil

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2.5mm2 L1
« Reply #160, on July 30th, 2021, 06:14 AM »
going to make 2,5mm2 L1 coil, with equal mass to L2 and L3 (1,5mm2  8,22m)

1,5mm2 10cm=2.62gram
2.5mm2 10cm=4.55gram

so I need 82.2dc x 2.62 gram= 215,364 gram copper for L1
215,364gram : 0.455gr=473,3 cm of 2.5mm2

Since the leads to the coil would now would need to be relatively shorter due to the increased mass,
I have decided to make the L1 coil out of 5m 2.5mm2 speaker wire.
So the mass wont be exactly equal to L2 and L3, but I think thats fine, as L1 is the magnetic induction coil for L3. While the L2 and L3 are the dielectric induction coils, which should have equal mass/volume/capacitance.

So now L1 has less resistance (thicker wire) less inductance (less windings) and less capacitance (less surface area). This results in L1 having a higher resonant frequency, with a higher Q, resulting in high voltage impulse.
But It will also draw more current from the supply, as it is less impeding due to the lower inductance.

The impulse is shorter in duration, so I will need more voltage to make an impact. I could if needed place a few 100 pF parallel to it, to prolong the duration and lower the voltage. This could be needed, to get the current implosion to a decent level

the outside diameter if L1 is equal to L2 and L3

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260nS impulses
« Reply #161, on July 30th, 2021, 06:40 AM »
as expected the impulse is now shorter in duration, around 260nS
also the current of the psu is way up, but first need to tune to read it

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #162, on July 30th, 2021, 06:50 AM »
also as expected, I now can create 3kV impulses but the Implosion of L3 current is much less

this is at 71.7 kc/s
using 121nf for both L2 and L3
the current in L2 (green) now is very high almost 17A pp, so the impulse is not powerful enough to implode it.

this was using 43.4V dc while I can reach 65V from the psu.

With the L1 coil of 1.5mm2  I needed to go further down in frequency to get 3kv impulses

Now I could decrease the caps in L3 and L2, and go  up in frequency. I like this better.

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #163, on July 31st, 2021, 12:52 AM »
I also need to make a new series diodes board for the 3kv dc offset.
I intend to 3d print a casing and put them in epoxy to prevent Corona discharge

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epoxy TiO2 capacitor tests, 37% increase
« Reply #164, on July 31st, 2021, 11:25 AM »
I made 4 caps, to see if the
TiO2 addition to epoxy would be beneficial, and it is, but not much.

all caps are made of 2 5x5cm copper plate pcb's, distance by a 5mm nylon ring.
the reference cap had pure epoxy, and this gave a capacity of 28,3pF
I made a 14% weight TiO2 addition, which failed, the plates were not parallel, it gave a false reading of 48.46pf
the 25% TiO2 has 34.1pF
and the 50% TiO2 has a capacity of 38.8pF (37% increase)
In previous tests I went up to 70% but that was way to lumpy to get good results.
An equal air capacitor has a capacity of 8.2pF
So:

air                         8.2pF
epoxy                  28.3pF
epoxy + 50% TiO2 38.8pF

Best result will be with 3x vacuum chamber to get the bubbles out, at a temperature of 25C or higher.
Coils need to be fixated before dipped in the epoxy.
Bucket can be greased with coconut oil, to prevent sticking.

The epoxy wasn't fully hardened when I measured, so the values could change a bit, but I don't expect big changes.

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transformer used for rectification
« Reply #165, on August 2nd, 2021, 03:07 AM »
I think using only one diode to rectify the AC into DC is the way to go.

The inflow of field energy by the dual impulse field implosion has a single direction of power, so this is the only polarity we need.

If we would rectify both polarities, then we would also load down the power supply, which we dont want to.

I already only use 2 diodes since I use resonance, which only needs 1 wire and earth.

so this leads to a single diode for all the power generated. And  a fast one, since we're working high frequency.

Parallel diodes sadly don't share the loads, so in the future it would make sense to make parallel generators.

Or we would use method of rectification.
And again Tesla already gave the solution.
Using a  transformer with dc on the primary, that saturates the core.
the secondary then will only conduct in one direction.
et voila.

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #166, on August 5th, 2021, 03:42 AM »
I tested my self made test capacitors again, after given the epoxy a few days time to harden out.
To my surprise, the capacity dropped a lot.

pure epoxy was             28.3pF is now 22.3pF
epoxy + 50% TiO2 was 38.8pF is now 28.7pF

the reference air cap was 8.2pF

so an 28,7% increase in capacity when using 50% TiO2.
To be clear this was 50% of the epoxy weight,
 so a 33.3% weight ratio of the total is now TiO2.

I might do another test with 50% total weight ratio. Or... not.

Compared to the air cap, 8.2pf to 22.3 is a 272% increase in capacity with only epoxy
While with the 33.3% added Tio2 there is a 350% increase. so thats 78% more.

Since I like to have a video showing it all, I prefer to use pure epoxy now, as it shows the coils inside the epoxy.
I can always make another one, with added TiO2, but as it is white you cant see the coils anymore.

The test could be less effect full, but it should still work.

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #167, on August 5th, 2021, 09:14 AM »Last edited on August 7th, 2021, 08:40 AM
I made another test cap, now with 50% of the total weight being TiO2, it is still hardening, now its 47pF so this will become less.

It was very hard to mix, as I first mix the TiO2 with the epoxy base without hardener.

It was lumpy and not able to get a smooth past. In the future this could be fixed by heating the epoxy base to a higher temperature. I had 22C which is onnthe low side, this makes the viscosity worse.

after mixing the hardener component it did turn into a thick but smooth paste.

In the vacuum chamber the air bubbles didn't pop, again I need higher temperature for this to work, but that also means a quicker setting  time.

The paste didn't fully Smooth out. I think within an automated production process it could be done. But that's out if my league (for now)

edit:
after a few days of hardening, the capacity is 36.6pF, so compared to the pure epoxy capacity of 22.3pF this is an increase of 164% Definitely worth it, but... hard to get right, as it needs the right temperature for the bubbles to pop

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I also made a new L1 coil, equal size to L2 and L3, but made out of 2.5mm2.
I did this to get more turns on L1, which gives a lower resonant frequency and thus a slower impulse (halfwave)

the previous coil was to fast 260nS (too high resonant frequency). I still have to measure this setup.
I could have slowed down the coil by adsing capacity in parallel but that would have increased the power consumption also.

Better to have a bit more inductance than capacitance.

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coil capacitor capacity
« Reply #168, on August 7th, 2021, 08:52 AM »
I stacked the new coils with a 15mm air gap between L2 and L3 and measured the capacity between them: 32.4pF
so 32.4 X 2.72= 88.1 pF with using pure epoxy as a dielectric
and X 1,64= 145pF if 50:50 epoxy TiO2 would be used.

Thus the capacity remains very small. So we need very high voltages to charge it
3000V with 88pF gives 0,000396 Joule of dielectric field charge to be discharged 70000 per second is 27W but... that will be mutliplied with the current discharge. interesting.
These are only numbers so totaly worthless..
need to test it

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ready for epoxy casting
« Reply #169, on August 9th, 2021, 04:06 AM »
as I wrote before I made L1 bigger, equal to L2 and L3 in diameter (inner and outer, phi ratio).
The impulse was now slightly longer in duration, 283 ns.
With 1.24A and 35.6V DC input power, I can create -1675V impulses (SCR33 and SCR34.PNG)

I then pushed the input power up to 2.28A 64V DC which gave -3000V impulses. (SCR35.png)
At this setting L2 handles 19A pp this is a bit to much (production of heat) the impulse cant fully collapse the amps, So I will need to tune up in frequency with less capacity, I get less current, but also less impulse so I will need to up the voltage even more. It's a tight setup.

But it is good enough to cast the coils. I will cast with L2 facing up, so I could close couple an L4 coil to it, for output. This L4 again would be a thinner wire, the first L1 coil I made is this coil. It will produce less current and more voltage.
This is then to be rectified to DC into a capacitor bank. This can be a full bridge rectifier. But care must be taken with the DC voltage offset af L2, As it will create another capacitor with L4.
But first I need to cast.
I will not use TiO2 at this time. only epoxy.

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first half epoxy is cast
« Reply #170, on August 9th, 2021, 07:11 AM »Last edited on August 9th, 2021, 07:40 AM
Since epoxy becomes hot when hardening I did it in 2 casts.
First cast is now hardening.
Made a video of the coils first for clarification

a challenge presented itself. the leads of L2 and L1 are near L2.

as there will be a high voltage dc offset, this creates the risk of spark over.
Maybe in the future I should place the leads in an isolation tube, or even put them trough the center hole, but... thay might give other complications.

I used 666 gram of epoxy with the 10L bucket, which already was a bit to much.

for the second finishing layer I will probably make another batch of 666 gram.

I will weight what is left over so I know for the next cast how much I need.

the blue bucket was first rubbed in coconut oil to get the epoxy out.

Edit
The epoxy was already getting warm when I realized i mixed wrong.   1:2 instead of 2:1

I poured it quickly out, and added a roughly enough amount of extra base liquid.
then poured all back. and vacuumed 3x

now the 3 coils are fully submerged
In theory this could get too hot due to the high amount of epoxy.

we'll see...
next time I'll get it right.

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #171, on August 9th, 2021, 09:44 AM »
epoxy became hot but no problems, already is cooling off and is hardened somewhat.
coil capacitor 2 soon ready for testing.

I hope I will be able to get it out of the bucket

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Re: Radiant coil capacitor
« Reply #172, on August 10th, 2021, 04:58 AM »
had to destroy the bucket due to the wrong initial epoxy mix the coilcap is sticky.

last night I made the dc offset module capable of 3000V dc.

I just tested it, and the dielectric field surrounding it is big. I have to stay at least 1m away from it, especially in the coil plane, where it seems to extend even further. Time to flip it sideways for safety.
this is now easily done with the hard epoxy.

I pumped the power hard, to 2.5 A 64V Dc input. Still need to reduce capacitance.

the L2 cap switchboard hold it up to very high voltages. don't know how high, but its a good sign.

the red stack on the picture is the dc offset module. using 2x3 mur8100e diodes. 2x2 and 2x4 680nf 2000V wima mkp10 caps, capable of 4000V dc
I epoxied all bare conductors to prevent Corona discharge

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experiment idea
« Reply #173, on August 12th, 2021, 11:54 AM »Last edited on August 12th, 2021, 11:56 AM
the dielectric field around the coils is very strong. need at least 1 meter distance to stay at safe levels.

I want to do an experiment again.
I now can produce 3kV impulses
I want to show the difference in discharge from a positive and negative switched coil.

I did this before and saw the white fuzzy loud discharge when I switched the positive.
But it was low voltage (500v) and weak, so I couldn't properly record it.

I used 2 steel needles which I still got.
so it could be easily redone.
If there really is a difference between the positive and negative discharge it would be very interesting to show.

I expect the positive discharge to be purple like the common discharge very different than the negative discharge

this is the video of the low voltage negative discharge from switching the positive

https://youtu.be/zQNKQWFCFCs


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25A pp
« Reply #174, on August 13th, 2021, 01:06 PM »Last edited on August 13th, 2021, 01:27 PM
I measured the current of L3 (green trace)
yellow=L2 voltage
orange=L3voltage

I get the most amps on L3 when the impulse is not on V=0 of L2 and L3.
Probably due to the distance between L2 and L3 being to small (15mm) next time I'll cast the coils on 17mm.
OR the impulse should not be tuned to V=0 to get max amplification

input power was 1,85A 51,4V dc
F was 76.3 with the impulse on V=0 the other frequency with max A is just above or below this frequency (didnt write it down).
capacity of L2=L3=121nF

This is tested with the positive DC offset on L2.
the current amplification on L3 (green) is clearly visible, on the negative cycle.

I wonder if I can double the DC voltage offset on L2. Maybe by switching the ground on a series capacitor, from middle to bottom, when the top cap is charged by the impulse, with center grounded, then the ground is switched to the bottom cap, which decreases the capacity, which increases the voltage, this is then syphoned to the L2 coil. then instead of 2kV I get 4kV
edit: no won't work, it's already positive at 2kV in the C1 cap,  switching ground would then block the positive dc to ground from C2 by the diode.

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