Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.

securesupplies

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #150, on August 14th, 2014, 12:48 AM »
  It is great to see every one post and building these units,

  I am open sourcing the Idea for every one to build and offer what they can on this design

  We all need to realize the  world is in trouble and we all have to push and build what we can and fast get it into the distribution channels

  Warm regards

   Dan
  :)


Ravenous Emu

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #151, on October 13th, 2014, 07:28 AM »Last edited on October 13th, 2014, 07:58 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 21st, 2014, 10:54 AM
...and make sure you have it straight we always want to give proper credit....
...as you know, we are a give credit where credit is deserved community...
...so i'm trying to save you and this forum making mistakes that we already have and learned from in the past.
@secure:

Along those lines... Could you at least credit that portion of your picture with my name please... It would be greatly appreciated.
The top left portion of your picture is from a PDF I posted a long time ago.

I did say that you could use it... but, could you at least give credit for it?

Thank you.

PS - Source Credit for my drawings were from Russ and Chris.

securesupplies

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #152, on December 7th, 2014, 06:52 AM »Last edited on May 5th, 2016, 11:56 PM
Yes Top left is From Rav Emu top right from Dan

Excellent Job on the cell Cad

Plan in here some where also

I hope some one post the full  3d files and
full set of machining formats

for cnc and 3d printers

Good luck and Change the World :heart:
Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #153, on April 28th, 2016, 03:19 PM »Last edited on April 28th, 2016, 03:32 PM
    OK almost all in one place
      to jointly work on it  to make easier for 11 cell replications faster and advance this version of stand tech
         
     https://cad.onshape.com/documents/56930d2da07d77d7072c5cc1

Alot of credit to russ chris emu and others who have got it this far

hope this helps new people have a faster uptake and join in

Dan
Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #154, on March 18th, 2017, 02:03 PM »
We see in stage I that Stan used 18 inch long stainless steel tubes with a modified heavy duty alternator. 
And was able to idle the 1600 cc Volkswagen engine in the driveway. 

Note: without water injection spark plugs, 660 nm LEDs gas processor on the intake and the recycled exhausts. 

I some able to achieve 300 V on alternator demonstration on the 18 inch long stainless steel tube set. 

Now in the 3rd stage, Stan abandoned the EPG. 

And went back to elector-mechanical ROTOR PHASER. 
Producing 3 pulse phases with 10 output channels . 
With probably as many as 10 water fuel capacitors per output channel. 
That would be 100 water fuel capacitors in all. 

In stage IV the International Patent. 
Stan went shorter stainless steel tubes and higher voltages. 
Approximately 120 volts per inch on the T304 stainless steel. 

4 inches=2020 volts 
5 inches=1900 volts 
6 inches=1780 volts 
7 inches=1660 volts 
8 inches=1440 volts 
9 inches=1320 volts 
10inches=1200 volts 
11inches=1080 volts 
12 inches= 960 volts 
13 inches= 840 volts 
14 inches= 720 volts 
15 inches= 660 volts 
16 inches= 540 volts 
17 inches= 420 volts 
18 inches= 300 volts 

2.75 inches is the length T304 stainless steel that is used in the international patent. 

120 volts per inch 1 on theT304 stainless steel. 

Henne

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #155, on March 21st, 2017, 04:08 PM »Last edited on March 21st, 2017, 04:53 PM
Hi all,

Would I be correct in assuming the latest designs of the WFC unit (shared on the onshape.com link posted by Daniel) is the preffered version, considering the ongoing discussions on the VIC (link) and driver circuit v5 designed by Matt Watts (link). In other words, are these the 3 parts that should work together?

If I understand correctly, said VIC was designed to drive an 11 cell unit? Is this correct?

Another thing I was wondering is why the anode steel tube of a capacitor cell (see attachment) is longer and has these notches on the top and bottom side. Is this a consequence of this particular WFC unit design or is there another reason behind it?

Ow, and for the record: you guys rock! I'm truly amazed by all the contributions made in every thread I read. What a great endeavour this forum really is...

haxar

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #156, on March 21st, 2017, 04:58 PM »
Quote from Henne on March 21st, 2017, 04:08 PM
Another thing I was wondering is why the anode steel tube of a capacitor cell (see attachment) is longer and has these notches on the top and bottom side. Is this a consequence of this particular WFC unit design or is there another reason behind it?
An important design feature of the inner tube is that it's longer than the outer tube, so that spacers in-between them are not needed.

Henne

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #157, on March 22nd, 2017, 01:45 PM »
Thx for your response Haxar. I could ask more questions about the design, but these seem to be secondary questions.

The big question remains: is this the WFC design we should focus on at this time, considering the new driver board and VIC discussions?

Or, is it better to test with a single tube cell? (k.i.s.s.)

This all depends if the VIC was designed to work with an 11-cell unit or not.
Or shouldn't the number of cells mather at all and is it all a matter of tuning?

haxar

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #158, on March 22nd, 2017, 01:59 PM »
You can design the cell cavity, whatever way you want. I favor the concentric tube design.

The VIC is where the magic is. We're trying to understand all its tricks, from the literature, patents and estate.

Gunther Rattay

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #159, on March 23rd, 2017, 12:12 AM »Last edited on March 23rd, 2017, 12:26 AM
Quote from Henne on March 21st, 2017, 04:08 PM
Hi all,

Would I be correct in assuming the latest designs of the WFC unit (shared on the onshape.com link posted by Daniel) is the preffered version, considering the ongoing discussions on the VIC (link) and driver circuit v5 designed by Matt Watts (link). In other words, are these the 3 parts that should work together?

If I understand correctly, said VIC was designed to drive an 11 cell unit? Is this correct?

Another thing I was wondering is why the anode steel tube of a capacitor cell (see attachment) is longer and has these notches on the top and bottom side. Is this a consequence of this particular WFC unit design or is there another reason behind it?

Ow, and for the record: you guys rock! I'm truly amazed by all the contributions made in every thread I read. What a great endeavour this forum really is...
In a tuned Stan Meyer system all parts depend on each other. The more you change the further away you are from the parameters Stan documented and the more difficult it is to make a conjoint progress.
A single tube cell will give you much different experimental results from a series cell configuration because water resistance adds up in a series cell configuration and high water resistance is one of the key parameters to get it running.
of course those series tubes also must be precisely built, length and gap between inner rod and outer tube must be exactly the same for all serial cell elements.

Take into account that vic transformer core is a limitation: core size, AL value, turn count, wire diameter, parasitic capacitance, frequency range are key elements and a single cell system would need much larger core than available for us.

Matt Watts

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #160, on March 23rd, 2017, 12:52 AM »
Interesting theory Gunther, though I don't think it works the way you suggest--classical thinking.

IMHO, you create dielectric standing wave nodes and position them on the plates.  Adjacent nodes have opposite polarity.  You can have as many plates as you want as long as you can keep them aligned to where the nodes manifest.  Since dielectricity prefers a path of higher resistance, more plates is better.  At some point the plate thickness will throw off the alignment--a dozen cells should be more than adequate for our needs.

Henne

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #161, on April 18th, 2017, 02:39 PM »Last edited on April 18th, 2017, 02:43 PM
Guys, any idea where I could my hands one of these babies? I've been looking all over, but can't quite seem to find the correct search terms for this type of bolt and connections...

Any suggestions much appreciated!



X-Blade

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #162, on April 18th, 2017, 03:17 PM »
Hello Henne.

Russ had a nice vídeo explaining how this connectors are made:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3vPd5MEZ4
If you have access to a lathe and some basic skill on it, you can turn a piece os stainless steel with 2 threads.

Cheers.

~Russ

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #163, on April 18th, 2017, 03:54 PM »
thanks for responding Xblade, yeah i have been finishing up other things so haven't had as much time here to join ( sorry)

more soon though. getting stuff off my plate... so i can load it with more things...
~Russ
Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #164, on April 18th, 2017, 03:55 PM »
also Henne, there are some 6 cell versions. you can make. its the ones that Ronnie is using.

~Russ 

nav

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #165, on April 19th, 2017, 01:39 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on March 23rd, 2017, 12:52 AM
Interesting theory Gunther, though I don't think it works the way you suggest--classical thinking.

IMHO, you create dielectric standing wave nodes and position them on the plates.  Adjacent nodes have opposite polarity.  You can have as many plates as you want as long as you can keep them aligned to where the nodes manifest.  Since dielectricity prefers a path of higher resistance, more plates is better.  At some point the plate thickness will throw off the alignment--a dozen cells should be more than adequate for our needs.
Sorry for my absence folks, my father died on Friday the 14th so i've been kinda getting through that.
Matt, do you think that dielectricity prefers the high impedance path because that path is where the circuit is resonant? Then if you create a lower impedance short circuit you get dielectric standing waves across the short circuit where the water fuel cell is.

Henne

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #166, on April 19th, 2017, 04:56 AM »
Thx Xblade for the reply and Russ for making the very informative video ofc. :) I had hoped this would be an 'of the shelve' component, but at least now I know what to start looking for. :)
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Sorry for my absence folks, my father died on Friday the 14th
Sorry to hear that Nav, my condolences. The death of a family member always comes too soon. It's important to give yourself all the time you need.

Matt Watts

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #167, on April 19th, 2017, 09:56 AM »
Quote from nav on April 19th, 2017, 01:39 AM
Sorry for my absence folks, my father died on Friday the 14th so i've been kinda getting through that.
"Getting old sucks!" 

Those were the last words my Pa left me with before he died.

Yeah, it's a lonely world now.  He's no longer looking over my shoulder on these projects, though sometimes I do feel I'm being guided by some intangible force.  All the more reason to listen to our instincts.  I'm certainly glad you have decided to stick with this Nav.  For me it has become the major reason to keep living.
Quote from nav on April 19th, 2017, 01:39 AM
Matt, do you think that dielectricity prefers the high impedance path because that path is where the circuit is resonant? Then if you create a lower impedance short circuit you get dielectric standing waves across the short circuit where the water fuel cell is.
I've been studying Jack's work found in this thread:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/

From what I can tell, this is very similar to the Tesla hairpin circuit and also has some relation to Gerald Morin's work.  There is an interesting behavior here when you have a very high impedance source driving a lower impedance load.  It's as though dielectricity has to go some place because the wires bound it to do so.

I'm looking at doing a build based on Jack's work to see if I can get my head wrapped around what is going on here.

Alberto

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #168, on April 19th, 2017, 03:46 PM »
I am very sorry to hear about your loss…
Please stay strong and keep up the good work...
Regards Alberto

Henne

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #169, on May 2nd, 2017, 11:06 AM »Last edited on May 2nd, 2017, 02:50 PM
A quick update on the electrical connection question I asked recently. I've improvised a bit and below some pictures of how I will make the connections with the electrodes. I used m6 stainless allthread instead of combining 2 bolts back to back. The spring fits nicely in the screw hole on one side of the allthread (so I'll screw them in backwards). I handtapped the holes in the 3D print of the 11 cell WFC base for m6 screws. Some watertight washers 'seal the deal'.

I found the components quite easily thanks to the industrious Dutch and their plethora of webshops. :) Links below for anyone in Europe looking for components.

Stainless springs: alcomex.nl  Pressure spring RVS ø 0,40x2,50x9,60 mm   - article number DR920
The stainless bolts, allthread and washers: rvspaleis.nl
Cable socket: found on allekabels.nl

Thanks again for all the info shared in this thread. More info on the progress as it comes!

~Russ

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #170, on May 2nd, 2017, 05:12 PM »
NICE WORK!!!!!!

Those look great!!! and there adjustable :)

~Russ

Henne

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #171, on June 2nd, 2017, 08:34 AM »
Just a heads-up, 3D printing this 11-cell design is tricky business... I had this printed in PLA (took about 4 days non stop printing) and although the print quality was quite good, water just leaks through it like a sieve rendering it completely unusable. Inherent to 3D prints are microleaks between layers. As 3D printing in other materials is insanely expensive, it was back to the drawing board to find an alternative. I decided to go for a block of POM material to extrude the cavities manually. This should be leak-free.

On this topic, I ordered POM-C Acetal instead of POM-H a.k.a. Delrin. They are similar materials, and many mechanical properties seem to be within approximately 10% of each other. Both have good electrical properties. Added benefit, Acetal is non-porous (as Delrin can be slightly porous in the core in large diameters) and also cheaper than Delrin, so good to consider this alternative. Unless ofc there is a really good reason to use Delrin I don't know about. :)

Article on this topic here: https://www.directplastics.co.uk/why-choose-acetal-or-delrin.html
Datasheet: https://www.smithmetal.com/pdf/plastics/acetal.pdf
Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #172, on June 30th, 2017, 04:44 PM »Last edited on June 30th, 2017, 05:01 PM
Hi y'all!

Another update with some good news! It took quite some effort, but I finally managed to finish the 11 cell WFC.

Since the 3D print of the blueprint design did not work as expected, I started from scratch with a cilinder (ø150mm) of POM-C material (see post above). I extruded the cavities holding the electrodes with a vertical drill. It was a bit tricky to get watertight everywhere, some O-rings (Ø=131mm, thickness=2.5mm) did the job eventually. The tube caps are 3D printed.

The top cap is also POM-C material, the O-ring is cut to size with Ø3mm.

The electrodes are 316L stainless. The provider was 'Salomons metals' in the Netherlands, and had them cut the inner and outer electrodes cut to size. Through a friend I had the inner electrodes tooled in a machine workshop. The exact measurements of the electrodes are as close as possible to Stan's...
Inner: Cilinder AISI-316L stainless Ø 12.70MM (1/2"), height: 102mm
Outer: Tube AISI-316L stainless  Ø19.05mm (.750'') with a tickness of 1.65mm (About 0.07mm ticker than Stan's based on the blueprint), height: 70mm.

The electrical connections:
Stainless springs: Alcomex Pressure spring RVS ø 0,40x2,50x9,60 mm   - article number DR920
The stainless bolts, allthread and watertight washers: rvspaleis.nl
Cable socket: found onallekabels.nl

I had to make some adjustments on the bottom of the cell, as I, in an attempt to match the blueprint as close as possible, extruded too much material for the holes to be watertight. So I had to glue some extra material on top of each hole. Consequently, I need larger allthreads to make the connections. So beware of not making this mistake if you decide to build it yourself this way. It was a bit of a mess at some point, but I'm quite satisfied with the end result. Now to make this thing produce some gas...

Any remarks or suggestions are always welcome. If you want to build this thing and need some advice: feel free to ask.

Last but not least, I'd like to thank everyone for all the info shared in this thread. I would not have been able to build this without your help. You guys rock!

Cheers,
Henne

Matt Watts

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #173, on June 30th, 2017, 06:52 PM »
Beautiful Henne.  That's what we all need to connect our VIC coils to.

Based on your other thread, it sure looks to me like you have all the major components ready to go.  I have my fingers crossed you find success.  Have a gut feeling if you find the correct tuning protocol, you'll be producing gas in no time.

~Russ

Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
« Reply #174, on July 10th, 2017, 11:03 PM »
Yeay man  that looks good!!!

~Russ