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Title: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on December 20th, 2011, 02:49 PM
hello everyone!

I'm starting this thread as we will be replicating Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity.

I'm sketching this up in Google sketchup for now but will be drawn up in CAD so any one can run the drawings down to the machine shop and have them made. or if your Nate of Jeff just go print one out... lol

the Google sketch is really to give people a visual as to how this cell was built. the snapshots are in clear so you can see the inner workings. the original plastic is delrin. and that is what we will be making it from.

here are some snap shots so far. i will upload the SCH file once its further complete. then you can get a real 3D view for free by using Google sketchup! yeah!  

Thanks for the support!  

all comments or questions are welcome!

~Russ

here are the original files if you'd like to give it a go for your self!

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip(http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: firepinto on December 20th, 2011, 03:21 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 20th, 2011, 02:49 PM
hello everyone!

I'm starting this thread as we will be replicating Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity.

I'm sketching this up in Google sketchup for now but will be drawn up in CAD so any one can run the drawings down to the machine shop and have them made. or if your Nate of Jeff just go print one out... lol

the Google sketch is really to give people a visual as to how this cell was built. the snapshots are in clear so you can see the inner workings. the original plastic is delrin. and that is what we will be making it from.

here are some snap shots so far. i will upload the SCH file once its further complete. then you can get a real 3D view for free by using Google sketchup! yeah!  

Thanks for the support!  

all comments or questions are welcome!

~Russ

here are the original files if you'd like to give it a go for your self!

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip(http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip)
That looks sweet Russ!  It doesn't look all that impossible to print either.:cool:  What is the largest outside diameter going to be out of all the parts?  

Nate
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on December 20th, 2011, 04:06 PM
Quote
That looks sweet Russ!  It doesn't look all that impossible to print either.:cool:  What is the largest outside diameter going to be out of all the parts?  

Nate
Thanks Nate

7" is the max OD but you can always change some stuff if need be.

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on December 21st, 2011, 02:47 AM



we did find 7" round natural derlin for 162$/foot , that's not too bad at all.

here: http://www.calplasticsandmetals.com/acetal.htm(http://www.calplasticsandmetals.com/acetal.htm)


~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: firepinto on December 21st, 2011, 04:19 AM
Printing does have it's ruff surfaces, but the end product can still be machined to a smooth surface.:)

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on December 21st, 2011, 04:24 AM
Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2011, 04:19 AM
Printing does have it's ruff surfaces, but the end product can still be machined to a smooth surface.:)
this is true, also what is the electrical properties of the plastic your using Nate?

Thanks, ~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: firepinto on December 21st, 2011, 05:44 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 21st, 2011, 04:24 AM
Quote from firepinto on December 21st, 2011, 04:19 AM
Printing does have it's ruff surfaces, but the end product can still be machined to a smooth surface.:)
this is true, also what is the electrical properties of the plastic your using Nate?

Thanks, ~Russ
I did some searching on this awhile ago, I remember one site saying insulators could be reduced in thickness when using PLA.  I'll have to find that again to be sure.  Otherwise I didn't find much concrete info.  

P.s.  I would save all the machined delrin scraps when that day comes.  We could make delrin filament. :)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: firepinto on December 23rd, 2011, 03:48 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Looking good Russ.  :cool:  I found a trick in sketchup to increase the number of faces on circles so they are more round.  Click the circle tool button, then type the number of faces you want and type enter.  Then start using the tool.  
I use multiples of 9. ;)

Nate  
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on December 23rd, 2011, 04:21 PM
Quote from firepinto on December 23rd, 2011, 03:48 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Looking good Russ.  :cool:  I found a trick in sketchup to increase the number of faces on circles so they are more round.  Click the circle tool button, then type the number of faces you want and type enter.  Then start using the tool.  
I use multiples of 9. ;)

Nate
Thanks Nate, I have done this with the triangle tool but never had a problm with the circle tool. Normaily it just is round but for some reason this time it's not... Need to see if there is a way I can fix that now after its allready drawn??????

Thanks Nate! ~Russ  
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: firepinto on December 23rd, 2011, 04:47 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 04:21 PM
Quote from firepinto on December 23rd, 2011, 03:48 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Looking good Russ.  :cool:  I found a trick in sketchup to increase the number of faces on circles so they are more round.  Click the circle tool button, then type the number of faces you want and type enter.  Then start using the tool.  
I use multiples of 9. ;)

Nate
Thanks Nate, I have done this with the triangle tool but never had a problm with the circle tool. Normaily it just is round but for some reason this time it's not... Need to see if there is a way I can fix that now after its allready drawn??????

Thanks Nate! ~Russ
Not sure if there is a better way to fix it but I've been using a trick.  I draw a new circle at the base of the cylinder, with the same diameter and more faces.   Then used the push pull tool to drag up the rounded pieces.  Then go in and delete all the scrap edges.  Kind of a pain though.:-/
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: chris on December 23rd, 2011, 08:01 PM
Hello Everyone,

Posting for the first time here.  I have been talking to Russ for sometime now.  I decided to take this part of the project on for Russ.  I tracked down the derlin for that price of $162 a foot.  This would be the largest diameter but they also offer 6.5 inch dia. for less.  The 6.5 would be good for the tubular center section.  I am attempting to draw the cell up in solidworks because Russ and I were talking about doing it on a CNC machine.  I also have a machinist in town who wants good drawings with exact dimensions which is why it would be good to draw it in solidworks but even autocad would work.  Its been quite a few years since I have done CAD drawing so I am currently brushing up on my skills.  If anyone knows or is proficient in drawing I would be appreciative of your effort and time.  It would save me time and allow me to get this stuff made that much quicker so future VIC circuits could be tested.  I am planning on making at least two for now and maybe up to four.  I have a friend working on the VIC so I would send one out to him and one to Russ.  We were thinking at first to go with a single cell unit but the costs for just that alone would be a bit way too high just for a single test cell thats not the final product.  
I already ordered the anode and cathode SS tube and rod.  I will begin there.  I purchased 1/2" rod and 3/4" tubing.  The rod will be cut down to 4" in length with the slots milled and drilled on the ends.  The tube is .035" wall which will be machined down to .030" wall and 2.75" in length.
Anyone is welcome to donate funds to purchase materials or help defer the cost of machining or help fund their own unit.  I will replicate it exactly down to a tolerance  .002" on the SS parts and .005" on the delrin parts.
Thanks
I look forward to hearing from everyone!
Chris
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: chris on December 26th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Russ I am having a problem converting those png files.  Do you have the actual sketchup files?  I noticed there's a way to convert sketchup files to solidworks files and wanted to try it then I can use mastercam x6 to see if I can make tool paths for the parts eventually.  I am learning a lot from just trying it.  :cool:

Chris
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on December 27th, 2011, 07:39 AM
Quote from chris on December 26th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Russ I am having a problem converting those png files.  Do you have the actual sketchup files?  I noticed there's a way to convert sketchup files to solidworks files and wanted to try it then I can use mastercam x6 to see if I can make tool paths for the parts eventually.  I am learning a lot from just trying it.  :cool:

Chris
Chris, here you go! good luck!!! also the free version of sketchup  will not export the good extensions. find it online... ;)

OK do not use for building!!!! its not done!!!

also not all the parts are there. still drawing!

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/WFC%2011%20last%20update%20not%20finished%20do%20not%20use%20for%20building!!!!%20Gries%20petty%20research.skp(http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/WFC%2011%20last%20update%20not%20finished%20do%20not%20use%20for%20building!!!!%20Gries%20petty%20research.skp)

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: chris on December 31st, 2011, 06:45 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 27th, 2011, 07:39 AM
Quote from chris on December 26th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Russ I am having a problem converting those png files.  Do you have the actual sketchup files?  I noticed there's a way to convert sketchup files to solidworks files and wanted to try it then I can use mastercam x6 to see if I can make tool paths for the parts eventually.  I am learning a lot from just trying it.  :cool:

Chris
Chris, here you go! good luck!!! also the free version of sketchup  will not export the good extensions. find it online... ;)

OK do not use for building!!!! its not done!!!

also not all the parts are there. still drawing!

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/WFC%2011%20last%20update%20not%20finished%20do%20not%20use%20for%20building!!!!%20Gries%20petty%20research.skp(http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/WFC%2011%20last%20update%20not%20finished%20do%20not%20use%20for%20building!!!!%20Gries%20petty%20research.skp)

~Russ
Thanks Russ!

I now have the anode and cathode 3d modeled and 2d drawings with dimensions done.  I will take them to the machinist to get it rolling at least the metal parts for now.

Chris
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: pakakezu on January 8th, 2012, 02:34 AM
Hi. I used to work on the resonance finder circuit, and on the cell a while ago, but i diden`t optaind the amaizing gas production. Now i found these new amaizing pictures and videos posted.
I have just one quiestion. If you take a look at resonance cavity picture, all the 11 cells are conected in series, so theoretically just one circuit bord and trasformer needed to be enaugh.  He builded first all of the circuits and then found is enaugh one? I would be very disappointed if he havent  done any previous research about gas production.
We need to solve the gas production problem, the rest will be a pice of cake with the avalible tehnology. I think he really keeps the sistem dead simple, but then where is the undiscovered magic? EPG?

Tip: There was out a guy niccked fastfreddy, who chaimd his truck is completly run on h2o. He said the most important thing is to the tubes to be tuned to each other acoustically. I think Meyer did the same thing, but never mentiond. I think thats why he has the cuts in the tubes. To be tuned.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: Muxar on January 20th, 2012, 12:41 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Hi to all!!
My version is not the exact replication of stans work(the gab between the tubes is the same) but now i have the option to put easily in series or in parallel, and all from recycled materials!!

Now time to work in electronics....
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on January 20th, 2012, 02:59 AM
Quote from Muxar on January 20th, 2012, 12:41 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Hi to all!!
My version is not the exact replication of stans work(the gab between the tubes is the same) but now i have the option to put easily in series or in parallel, and all from recycled materials!!

Now time to work in electronics....
beautiful! nice work!!! :) cant wait to see it in action. yes! electronics are on there way... time will tell..  

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311(http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311)

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on January 20th, 2012, 03:10 AM
Quote from pakakezu on January 8th, 2012, 02:34 AM
Hi. I used to work on the resonance finder circuit, and on the cell a while ago, but i diden`t optaind the amaizing gas production. Now i found these new amaizing pictures and videos posted.
I have just one quiestion. If you take a look at resonance cavity picture, all the 11 cells are conected in series, so theoretically just one circuit bord and trasformer needed to be enaugh.  He builded first all of the circuits and then found is enaugh one? I would be very disappointed if he havent  done any previous research about gas production.
We need to solve the gas production problem, the rest will be a pice of cake with the avalible tehnology. I think he really keeps the sistem dead simple, but then where is the undiscovered magic? EPG?

Tip: There was out a guy niccked fastfreddy, who chaimd his truck is completly run on h2o. He said the most important thing is to the tubes to be tuned to each other acoustically. I think Meyer did the same thing, but never mentiond. I think thats why he has the cuts in the tubes. To be tuned.
we don't know who or why the tubes were in series. originality stan did have each tube connected to a VIC.

so do you have any data or circuitry of your past set up? id so post it here:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311(http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311)

the gas gun is needed for the EPG. or at least to make a "Magnetic Gas" but there are a bunch of theory's on the EPG, or at lease ones i have come up with...

any how i thing that the TEST cell was slotted to be tuned. but over all i think the final cell may not have been tuned? i don't know...

but there are some really good consents there with the tuning.

~Russ  
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on January 20th, 2012, 03:15 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Chris, if the VIC is used the effect is slightly different. yes there is high voltage, but it's a build up of voltage with in the " cap" or water. in the Gas Possessor im building. i don't have a VIC, (lacking the electronics to run it) so i'm just using the high voltage ( thus having problems with discharge. ) so slightly different concept. but overall yes. the gasses coming off the cell will be slightly ionized.

kinda hard to explain. but I'm just using what i have... :)

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: Webmug on February 4th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here, mostly I'm on ionizationx :)
It would be a good thing to build a resonance cavity encased in Delrin. It also could be done with only one cavity connected to one VIC.
This should speedup the replication and have lower costs to test SM resonance cell setup. One 11 cavity is good thing to make, but it is never done with only one cell connected to one VIC unit. Every VIC unit is matched to one cell.

Point is to encase the cell exciters in Delrin to isolate the water between the plates (dielectric)  from the outside water bath and charge the plates (electrostatic).
Delrin is a good electrostatic insulator and prevents leakage (current).
Also this is where the chokes are used to prevent leakage (current) Only electrostatic(HV) can be used to elongate(stretch) the water molecule.

Good work everyone!

Br,
Webmug
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on February 7th, 2012, 01:55 AM
Quote from Webmug on February 4th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here, mostly I'm on ionizationx :)
It would be a good thing to build a resonance cavity encased in Delrin. It also could be done with only one cavity connected to one VIC.
This should speedup the replication and have lower costs to test SM resonance cell setup. One 11 cavity is good thing to make, but it is never done with only one cell connected to one VIC unit. Every VIC unit is matched to one cell.

Point is to encase the cell exciters in Delrin to isolate the water between the plates (dielectric)  from the outside water bath and charge the plates (electrostatic).
Delrin is a good electrostatic insulator and prevents leakage (current).
Also this is where the chokes are used to prevent leakage (current) Only electrostatic(HV) can be used to elongate(stretch) the water molecule.

Good work everyone!

Br,
Webmug
yes, we are working on some single cells, we are trying to make a standard, we already have a " standard on the electrodes"...   so trying to keep it that way so we can all work on this together to come up with the same results...

more to be posted here soon!

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: adys15 on February 7th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 7th, 2012, 01:55 AM
Quote from Webmug on February 4th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here, mostly I'm on ionizationx :)
It would be a good thing to build a resonance cavity encased in Delrin. It also could be done with only one cavity connected to one VIC.
This should speedup the replication and have lower costs to test SM resonance cell setup. One 11 cavity is good thing to make, but it is never done with only one cell connected to one VIC unit. Every VIC unit is matched to one cell.

Point is to encase the cell exciters in Delrin to isolate the water between the plates (dielectric)  from the outside water bath and charge the plates (electrostatic).
Delrin is a good electrostatic insulator and prevents leakage (current).
Also this is where the chokes are used to prevent leakage (current) Only electrostatic(HV) can be used to elongate(stretch) the water molecule.

Good work everyone!

Br,
Webmug
yes, we are working on some single cells, we are trying to make a standard, we already have a " standard on the electrodes"...   so trying to keep it that way so we can all work on this together to come up with the same results...

more to be posted here soon!

~Russ
Russ how is the work going on stan's original wfc schetchup in goole sch?I saw the pics you posted earlyer ...and they are owesome...you are the man....but it would be nice if you have to post the sch.format for us to see it 3D ...keep up the good work!!!
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: ~Russ on February 8th, 2012, 04:04 AM
Quote from adys15 on February 7th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on February 7th, 2012, 01:55 AM
Quote from Webmug on February 4th, 2012, 07:55 AM
Quote from chris on January 19th, 2012, 06:52 PM
To everyone,

I will be uploading my drawings to the file server on this site pretty soon then everyone can look and critique them.  So far the plan is too test the SS tubes first with the electronics and try to establish some sort of a baseline before spending the money on the derlin.


I think what we are trying to do with resonance and high voltage is to get the tubes charged up to the point right before you would get a spark/arc to jump the gap.  Russ is doing this with the gas processor experiment corona discharge video he posted.  If you charge the tubes up to this point it seems to create ionization by knocking electrons off.  This would be the sweet spot to maintain with the scanning circuit phase lock loop.

Do this sound about right Russ?

Chris
Hi everyone,
This is my first post here, mostly I'm on ionizationx :)
It would be a good thing to build a resonance cavity encased in Delrin. It also could be done with only one cavity connected to one VIC.
This should speedup the replication and have lower costs to test SM resonance cell setup. One 11 cavity is good thing to make, but it is never done with only one cell connected to one VIC unit. Every VIC unit is matched to one cell.

Point is to encase the cell exciters in Delrin to isolate the water between the plates (dielectric)  from the outside water bath and charge the plates (electrostatic).
Delrin is a good electrostatic insulator and prevents leakage (current).
Also this is where the chokes are used to prevent leakage (current) Only electrostatic(HV) can be used to elongate(stretch) the water molecule.

Good work everyone!

Br,
Webmug
yes, we are working on some single cells, we are trying to make a standard, we already have a " standard on the electrodes"...   so trying to keep it that way so we can all work on this together to come up with the same results...

more to be posted here soon!

~Russ
Russ how is the work going on stan's original wfc schetchup in goole sch?I saw the pics you posted earlyer ...and they are owesome...you are the man....but it would be nice if you have to post the sch.format for us to see it 3D ...keep up the good work!!!
thanks, yes see this post:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=249&pid=2259#pid2259(http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=249&pid=2259#pid2259)

thanks!! ~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: danielgpalacios on February 23rd, 2012, 12:29 PM
Gracias Russ
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Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 20th, 2011, 02:49 PM
hello everyone!

I'm starting this thread as we will be replicating Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity.

I'm sketching this up in Google sketchup for now but will be drawn up in CAD so any one can run the drawings down to the machine shop and have them made. or if your Nate of Jeff just go print one out... lol

the Google sketch is really to give people a visual as to how this cell was built. the snapshots are in clear so you can see the inner workings. the original plastic is delrin. and that is what we will be making it from.

here are some snap shots so far. i will upload the SCH file once its further complete. then you can get a real 3D view for free by using Google sketchup! yeah!  

Thanks for the support!  

all comments or questions are welcome!

~Russ

here are the original files if you'd like to give it a go for your self!

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip(http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: HHO4Life on February 25th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Hey Russ and everybody I hope things are going great for all of you! Here is some information I got from some of Stan's patents regarding the pipe sizes he used in his resonant cavity. These pipes will give you the exact spacing Stan Provides in his patent. Hope this helps.

Here is some stainless steel tubing with the exact dimensions listed in his international patent # WO 89/12704 page 7.

Stainless T-304/304L

Seamless Tube

0.75" x 0.065" x 0.62"

Stainless T-304/304L

Seamless Tube

0.5" x 0.065" x 0.37"

http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=312&step=...
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: HHO4Life on February 25th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Hey Russ and everybody I hope things are going great for all of you! Here is some information I got from some of Stan's patents regarding the pipe sizes he used in his resonant cavity. These pipes will give you the exact spacing Stan Provides in his patent. Hope this helps.

Here is some stainless steel tubing with the exact dimensions listed in his international patent # WO 89/12704 page 7.

Stainless T-304/304L

Seamless Tube

0.75" x 0.065" x 0.62"

Stainless T-304/304L

Seamless Tube

0.5" x 0.065" x 0.37"

http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=312&step=...
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: HHO4Life on February 25th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Hey Russ and everybody I hope things are going great for all of you! Here is some information I got from some of Stan's patents regarding the pipe sizes he used in his resonant cavity. These pipes will give you the exact spacing Stan Provides in his patent. Hope this helps.

Here is some stainless steel tubing with the exact dimensions listed in his international patent # WO 89/12704 page 7.

Stainless T-304/304L

Seamless Tube

0.75" x 0.065" x 0.62"

Stainless T-304/304L

Seamless Tube

0.5" x 0.065" x 0.37"

http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=312&step=...
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: sebosfato on March 5th, 2012, 06:12 AM
If i was you, i would simply use resin. you will spend 20x less money and have 10x less work to get it done. You simply make a mould with plastifyed paper and use vaseline. If you wish you can even put some solid charge on the resin to add strength and reduce costs. If think well within few hours you get it ready to work.


Delrin is too expensive and totally not needed. You need a machinist...
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: wfchobby on April 3rd, 2012, 01:12 AM
I am curious about grades of stainless steel used in cells. in googling " Stan Meyer Stainless Steel" , Ive seen 304 mentioned, and that apparrently SM said that stainless steel ( 410 not 403 ) was the only metal that could be used as oxides formed with all others.
Some seem to use 316.  316Lappears commonly used as its readily available.

So in considering the measured capacitance ofa cell......Does anyone know if the grade of S/S have an effect?

So has anyone conclusively worked out if, for example, 410 is better to use than 316L?
ie is there any characteristic of the S/S that might affect whether a cell works well or not?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: chris on April 3rd, 2012, 06:27 PM
Okay I finally uploaded most of the drawings to Russ for his final approval.  I have a couple of details to do on one more piece then at least we have set of dimensions to work with.  

Russ how are the single cell units coming along?

I found some SS threaded rod we could use for the terminals.

Thanks
Chris
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on April 3rd, 2012, 08:34 PM
Quote from wfchobby on April 3rd, 2012, 01:12 AM
I am curious about grades of stainless steel used in cells. in googling " Stan Meyer Stainless Steel" , Ive seen 304 mentioned, and that apparrently SM said that stainless steel ( 410 not 403 ) was the only metal that could be used as oxides formed with all others.
Some seem to use 316.  316Lappears commonly used as its readily available.

So in considering the measured capacitance ofa cell......Does anyone know if the grade of S/S have an effect?

So has anyone conclusively worked out if, for example, 410 is better to use than 316L?
ie is there any characteristic of the S/S that might affect whether a cell works well or not?
Good questions, the only way to know for sure is to test both kinds of stainless, I used 316L and it develops and coats the inside tube with a white film @ 1/2 an amp, any higher the film starts to flake off, so I think this might be a good thing.

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on April 4th, 2012, 03:31 AM
Quote from chris on April 3rd, 2012, 06:27 PM
Okay I finally uploaded most of the drawings to Russ for his final approval.  I have a couple of details to do on one more piece then at least we have set of dimensions to work with.  

Russ how are the single cell units coming along?

I found some SS threaded rod we could use for the terminals.

Thanks
Chris
waiting on the parts to be maid... looks like it could be about the time the cores come in... ill keep you posted!

also im looking over the drawings!! most excellent  work!  

i think we should wait for the final set of drawings to post. as we want all parts to be there!

love it!

thank you! talk soon!

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 13th, 2012, 07:44 AM
Quote from chris on December 26th, 2011, 12:41 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Russ I am having a problem converting those png files.  Do you have the actual sketchup files?  I noticed there's a way to convert sketchup files to solidworks files and wanted to try it then I can use mastercam x6 to see if I can make tool paths for the parts eventually.  I am learning a lot from just trying it.  :cool:

Chris
jpg attached  for those to use or need them in that format
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 21st, 2012, 01:51 PM
Russ Captures

attached

Dan
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 23rd, 2012, 01:59 AM

Looking good,

We have spec and tech drawing of ss steel inner and outer cell
parts  russ has got his machined already do we have

spec , measurement for top cap and or bases  hole diameter
 in base for core to fit in.

Drawing are good but need measurement on . and post

so more builder can approach faster.

Dan
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on April 24th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 23rd, 2012, 01:59 AM
Looking good,

We have spec and tech drawing of ss steel inner and outer cell
parts  russ has got his machined already do we have

spec , measurement for top cap and or bases  hole diameter
 in base for core to fit in.

Drawing are good but need measurement on . and post

so more builder can approach faster.

Dan
working on the complete system... almost done. Chris is drawing it. its 99.9% done... then we will post it!
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: rheandros on April 24th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Hello all,
i don't know if it is the right place to post this, please put it there where it should be.
in HHO Gas i get it is important the gas gets away from plates, i don't know if this is important because inoisation is important, but with a coanda flow(or bernoulli), the gas should sucked a bit out. This should increase a bit effizienz, or much i dont know.

Thanks you all for youre great work.

cu ben
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on April 24th, 2012, 11:37 PM
Quote from rheandros on April 24th, 2012, 02:08 PM
Hello all,
i don't know if it is the right place to post this, please put it there where it should be.
in HHO Gas i get it is important the gas gets away from plates, i don't know if this is important because inoisation is important, but with a coanda flow(or bernoulli), the gas should sucked a bit out. This should increase a bit effizienz, or much i dont know.

Thanks you all for youre great work.

cu ben
in my research, i found that if the water is pumped through the cell the bubbles remove from the plate and the process is more efficient. now.. as far as stans way of doing it the bubbles dont form on the plates but in the middle of the plates...

but, as you can see the water in stans cell was indeed pumped through the cell.  

thanks! ~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 25th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Great  to hear, like the post,

can't wait to see drawings very cool development.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Ray Don on May 3rd, 2012, 07:14 PM
Quote from securesupplies on April 21st, 2012, 01:51 PM
Russ Captures

attached

Dan
nice little cell there
little 2 banger
where did the 2 banger cell come from?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :

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[attachment=1434]
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[attachment=1437]

i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Webmug on May 18th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Fantastic find!!!!
This is great, looking for them for over a year too!
:cool::D

Br,
Webmug
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 18th, 2012, 03:36 AM
Quote from Webmug on May 18th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Fantastic find!!!!
This is great, looking for them for over a year too!
:cool::D

Br,
Webmug
sad thing is to buy all the parts theses will cost you about 2-8 USD per piece when complete... so your looking at 40-160 USD for the set of 20... 10 cells...

i bought some stuff on line for much cheeper than locally... so one part is around 1.10 usd and i got them off line for .11 usd... huge difference! i'm sitting at about  2usd per piece but with all the extra or min order stuff I'm at about 80$ for all the parts with shipping... egh!

then i had to drill and make each one... hahah time time... you be surprised what these are... ill give you a hint. there are 5 pieces of off the shelf parts in each connecter! :) crazy!

i would randomly look for these like every 2-3 weeks lol... then i have some friends go on a mission to find them! came back with a bunch of online links and stuff but just no where could one find them...   now i know why... :) HINT... There home made...

i will post the list of the parts when i'm done! :)

Blessings! ~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: firepinto on May 18th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Awesome!  Genuuuiiinnneee Stan Meyer components!  lol I wonder how long Stan searched for all these cool parts to use. :cool:

Nate
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 18th, 2012, 03:56 AM
Quote from firepinto on May 18th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Awesome!  Genuuuiiinnneee Stan Meyer components!  lol I wonder how long Stan searched for all these cool parts to use. :cool:

Nate
haha he didn't... lol he just built them! lol see my other post. i think you were typing when i posted... ~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: andy on May 18th, 2012, 05:34 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 18th, 2012, 03:56 AM
Quote from firepinto on May 18th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Awesome!  Genuuuiiinnneee Stan Meyer components!  lol I wonder how long Stan searched for all these cool parts to use. :cool:

Nate
haha he didn't... lol he just built them! lol see my other post. i think you were typing when i posted... ~Russ
Hi
Maybe Stan home made it using diodes from alternator?
andy
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on May 18th, 2012, 06:17 AM
Quote from andy on May 18th, 2012, 05:34 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 18th, 2012, 03:56 AM
Quote from firepinto on May 18th, 2012, 03:47 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Awesome!  Genuuuiiinnneee Stan Meyer components!  lol I wonder how long Stan searched for all these cool parts to use. :cool:

Nate
haha he didn't... lol he just built them! lol see my other post. i think you were typing when i posted... ~Russ
Hi
Maybe Stan home made it using diodes from alternator?
andy
That's exactly what they look like to me, diodes:D.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Sharky on May 18th, 2012, 07:57 AM
I see a light bulb fitting and the spring of a pen?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 18th, 2012, 08:28 AM
I like these games!!! Lol lets try a new hint!

Theses are off the shelf parts.... KISS...

And yes. I thought about the dioed thing or a while!!! Lol

The only thing about the spring is i havent seen it off te shelf but it's Probbly there... Manily hard to find as its stanless!

Cool beans!

KISS!!!

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jean-Alexandre on May 18th, 2012, 09:15 AM
interesting link for understand the inductance and coil design.

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html

Alex
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: firepinto on May 18th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 18th, 2012, 03:36 AM
Quote from Webmug on May 18th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 17th, 2012, 11:14 PM
well... i and others have spent countless hours on trying to find the electrical connections on this unit.looked high and low and everywhere between! and i finaly figured it out...

spent hrs looking at the photos only to find out these were off the shelf parts... hahaha...  KISS!!!!  i love it!

Im not telling you just yet what these are... going to make a video... (not done yet)

check it out! we are replicating right??? lol well... hows this! :






i was stoked when i found out what these were... could not believe it... hahaha

Blessings to all !
~Russ
Fantastic find!!!!
This is great, looking for them for over a year too!
:cool::D

Br,
Webmug
sad thing is to buy all the parts theses will cost you about 2-8 USD per piece when complete... so your looking at 40-160 USD for the set of 20... 10 cells...

i bought some stuff on line for much cheeper than locally... so one part is around 1.10 usd and i got them off line for .11 usd... huge difference! i'm sitting at about  2usd per piece but with all the extra or min order stuff I'm at about 80$ for all the parts with shipping... egh!

then i had to drill and make each one... hahah time time... you be surprised what these are... ill give you a hint. there are 5 pieces of off the shelf parts in each connecter! :) crazy!

i would randomly look for these like every 2-3 weeks lol... then i have some friends go on a mission to find them! came back with a bunch of online links and stuff but just no where could one find them...   now i know why... :) HINT... There home made...

i will post the list of the parts when i'm done! :)

Blessings! ~Russ
Ok here is my best guess:
1 - O ring
1 - Spring
1 - Socket Cap flange head screw (allen), drilled for spring.
1 - Hex head screw, sized to fit the head inside allen screw.
1 - nylon locking nut for hex head screw

 I'm guessing but are the screws soldered together?

Nate

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 25th, 2012, 12:31 PM
:angel: I think we should support Travis to boost up drawing skills and try and match file to CNC routing file formats.

It could take the drawing work which is being done on 11 cell  
full mass product stage.  Much faster.

We have to step back and look at ourselves if e hand make ok, but if we approach large
cnc factory
 with " old school tech drawings , it delays things.

I am not familiar with industry but ,
 
I am sue they want things that plug straight into mills
lathes and routers these days.

Food for thought:huh:

Dan
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: reggaerican on June 22nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
Im new to this forum so I just wanted to throw out a HUGE thanks to you Russ and all the other members here that are working so hard to piece together this all so important puzzle Stan left us.. I have only been researching hho for around 6 months now and I am soo angry that I just now came across all this great work and teachings.. I am so excited and overwhelmed at all this new info that I cant hardly stand it..
once again thank you! thank you! thank you!
steve
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on June 23rd, 2012, 05:03 AM
Quote from reggaerican on June 22nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
Im new to this forum so I just wanted to throw out a HUGE thanks to you Russ and all the other members here that are working so hard to piece together this all so important puzzle Stan left us.. I have only been researching hho for around 6 months now and I am soo angry that I just now came across all this great work and teachings.. I am so excited and overwhelmed at all this new info that I cant hardly stand it..
once again thank you! thank you! thank you!
steve
Welcome to the forum Steve, always glad to have new members to add to the thinking process. Jump in anywhere you have an interest, questions, ask away, someone here should be able to answer most of them, Jeff.:D
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Greetings folks, there is a image that had had me scratching my head for a while now so I thought I would just ask.
here goes wish I could paste pic here but not allowed. Anyways in Stans pic of his WFC there are 5 terminals with red wires going into the side in a row. top to bottom. what are they for? My guess is sensors of some sort possibly for water level? I have been doing so much reading lately that my eyes are starting to cross and maybe I just missed it in his patent.
thanks Steve
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on June 24th, 2012, 03:48 PM
Quote from reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Greetings folks, there is a image that had had me scratching my head for a while now so I thought I would just ask.
here goes wish I could paste pic here but not allowed. Anyways in Stans pic of his WFC there are 5 terminals with red wires going into the side in a row. top to bottom. what are they for? My guess is sensors of some sort possibly for water level? I have been doing so much reading lately that my eyes are starting to cross and maybe I just missed it in his patent.
thanks Steve
Steve you should be able to attach a photo just above where you would click to post a reply when you are posting, where it says new attachment choose file, once it loads click update attachment.:D
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 04:59 PM
ok lets try this again. lol here goes the pic. sorry my brain doesnt see ones and zeros vary well so it takes me a while to figure out the computer stuff..
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on June 24th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Quote from reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 04:59 PM
ok lets try this again. lol here goes the pic. sorry my brain doesnt see ones and zeros vary well so it takes me a while to figure out the computer stuff..
I think you are right Steve, that they are water level probes.:D
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 06:12 PM
thanks again Jeff, stinks bieng the new guy in school, but you guys are proving to be most excellent tutors..
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on June 24th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Quote from reggaerican on June 24th, 2012, 06:12 PM
thanks again Jeff, stinks bieng the new guy in school, but you guys are proving to be most excellent tutors..
Thanks Steve, were all here to help one another, and we were all the new guy at one time or another as well, so don't feel left out, or hesitate to ask a question, someone here will most likely have the answer and remember the only dumb question is one that was not asked, so there are no dumb questions, Jeff.:D
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build. Gries Petty Research
Post by: adys15 on January 31st, 2013, 05:04 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 23rd, 2011, 02:03 AM
making progress...

again this sketch will be posted once i see its done. got a lot to do still... :)

again the colors and translucent are just for nice viewing only...

enjoy! ~Russ
Hy Russ!Do you have a google schetch file ''.skp'' of the drawings posted?
or of the skp files of the single cell that you made a tutorial in google schetch.Thanks,and keep on the good work!Best regards!
Title: 3d Printer files 11 cell
Post by: securesupplies on February 6th, 2013, 03:28 AM

Hi

This section should be on 3d printer long ago
if you have skills to  convert  &  post 3d Printer files for the 11 cell parts

please post here
 
I believe t will help progress participants and new comers replications
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on February 6th, 2013, 01:41 PM
i was asking Russ for this skp file
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: opus1 on April 25th, 2013, 11:37 AM
Do you have finished units for sale?

Are you willing to provide the actual CAD files so that we might build one of these units?

Would you be willing to work with us (in a collaborative fashion) on a project?

Respectfully,
Carey
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 04:23 AM
3d printer files asap!


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Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on April 27th, 2013, 12:37 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 04:23 AM
3d printer files asap!


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http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552

please note Dan that the 3d printed parts should not be used as final parts. this is just merrily my way to work around it for now...

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 27th, 2013, 01:38 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 27th, 2013, 12:37 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 04:23 AM
3d printer files asap!


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http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552

please note Dan that the 3d printed parts should not be used as final parts. this is just merrily my way to work around it for now...

~Russ
Sure know that it is more to get the thing in people hands , physical always makes things happen.  

even if plastic prototypes,  today we need to egt people playing and attempting thing.
today if could be 3d pastics,
tomorrow it could be 3d hybribe metals

lets get the knowledge out there and people playing with even basic design in plastic to use for machiners, save a whole lot of talking and comunicating

 it all goes to new ground where stand  stopped,
now every one can print a inject example if we post part in 3d print files, from that they can get even novice machines working on it

and measuring etc etc

all new ground lets get it out there even further


if time prevents more hand on
or current skills is whipping out 3d printer model files and converted files
lets get happening and that out there.
all will support with trying to get printer and machiner goings.

sorry just think it is a chance to something new
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on April 27th, 2013, 11:17 AM
Quote from ~Russ
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552

please note Dan that the 3d printed parts should not be used as final parts. this is just merrily my way to work around it for now...

~Russ
Russ why do you always post the link to 3d injector?I was asking for skp files for long time ago,do you have them or not?does not meather if they fit in real world but just to see how they come together virtualy,thanks!
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: firepinto on April 27th, 2013, 11:58 AM
Quote from adys15 on April 27th, 2013, 11:17 AM
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552

please note Dan that the 3d printed parts should not be used as final parts. this is just merrily my way to work around it for now...

~Russ


Russ why do you always post the link to 3d injector?I was asking for skp files for long time ago,do you have them or not?does not meather if they fit in real world but just to see how they come together virtualy,thanks!
The original files that BAM5 created are not done in Google Sketchup.  He used AutoDesk Inventor, which are .IPT files.  I attempted to convert the .STL file that was exported from the .IPT files, into Sketchup here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552&pid=5619#pid5619

Beware the scaling is off.  

Nate
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on April 27th, 2013, 12:33 PM
Quote from firepinto
The original files that BAM5 created are not done in Google Sketchup.  He used AutoDesk Inventor, which are .IPT files.  I attempted to convert the .STL file that was exported from the .IPT files, into Sketchup here:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552&pid=5619#pid5619

Beware the scaling is off.  

Nate
I think we all talking about ''Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch '' that Russ created a clip with skp files on how it asembles/disasemble...i saw the injector skp for a long time is very well done...thanks...
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 4th, 2013, 07:09 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 27th, 2013, 12:37 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 04:23 AM
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So is there anyone other how has finished the CAD drawing of the :angel:Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity for CNC?  I am looking for a DXF so I can get one built from ACETAL from a CNC company! can anyone help? if not what about the original Specs and I will try get them drawn up?!?!  Thanks Adam satcom1@xtra.co.nz

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 5th, 2013, 10:49 PM

Cool Nate is Progressing
 see his you tube

Dan
Quote from Trethowen on May 4th, 2013, 07:09 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 27th, 2013, 12:37 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 26th, 2013, 04:23 AM
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So is there anyone other how has finished the CAD drawing of the :angel:Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity for CNC?  I am looking for a DXF so I can get one built from ACETAL from a CNC company! can anyone help? if not what about the original Specs and I will try get them drawn up?!?!  Thanks Adam satcom1@xtra.co.nz
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 6th, 2013, 07:57 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 20th, 2011, 02:49 PM
hello everyone!

I'm starting this thread as we will be replicating Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity.

I'm sketching this up in Google sketchup for now but will be drawn up in CAD so any one can run the drawings down to the machine shop and have them made. or if your Nate of Jeff just go print one out... lol

the Google sketch is really to give people a visual as to how this cell was built. the snapshots are in clear so you can see the inner workings. the original plastic is delrin. and that is what we will be making it from.

here are some snap shots so far. i will upload the SCH file once its further complete. then you can get a real 3D view for free by using Google sketchup! yeah!  

Thanks for the support!  

all comments or questions are welcome!

~Russ

here are the original files if you'd like to give it a go for your self!

http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip(http://open-source-energy.org/rwg42985/russ/Stan%27s%20WFC%2011/stan%27s%20WFC%2011.zip)
(removed possible illegal link)
~Russ

Sorry dan...  
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 6th, 2013, 09:57 AM
Quote from securesupplies on May 6th, 2013, 07:57 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on December 20th, 2011, 02:49 PM
hello everyone!

this does not help me one bit sorry.
I am looking for a DXF file for CNC milling or 5 axis lathe.
I am to a computer wiz like you guys are!

cheers:angel:
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 6th, 2013, 01:10 PM
Hi, so you are really going to build the cell? :) I have the AutoCad software and could perhaps try to draw it up, but i would need help with the dimensions and thread sizes and so on.

//pwrpro
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 6th, 2013, 05:35 PM
Yes, it needs to be built,.exactly as Stan had it.
I am very serious about getting this built as I have the contacts for the CNC and the Material, and Fastening ect.
My advise would be if you have not done this work before, not try on the build.
this one needs to be done by a experienced CAD CAM engineer user,
as it is paramount for detail and expensive to build.
If this is to be used by everyone on open source. it must be done Just as Stan got it Built.

No guessing!:D


Kind regards

Adam

Hi, so you are really going to build the cell? :) I have the AutoCad software and could perhaps try to draw it up, but i would need help with the dimensions and thread sizes and so on.

//pwrpro[/quote]
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 6th, 2013, 06:02 PM
Ok, i understand that the quality and the correctnes is very important. I'm a educated CAD drawer, so drawing advanced things off blueprints is not a problem. I have however not the experiens of designing and dimensioning parts. The problem is then of course that no original and absolute specs for the cavity exists.

One way of doing it would be to get a dialog going here on the forum for dimensions, nessecary clearance, thread drill sizes and so on in order to make an fail safe drawing.

Regards,
pwrpro
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 6th, 2013, 08:33 PM
I agree bud
looking at most of the unit, The Tolerances will not be to important due to the O-ring seals.

its not like there is any moving parts like bearings and such like.

Importance is everything lining up with each part.



looking at most of the unit, The Tolerances will not be to important due to the O-ring seals.

its not like there is any moving parts like bearings and such like.

Importance is everything lining up with each part.


Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 7th, 2013, 09:41 PM
Quote from pwrpro on May 6th, 2013, 06:02 PM
Ok, i understand that the quality and the correctnes is very important. I'm a educated CAD drawer, so drawing advanced things off blueprints is not a problem. I have however not the experiens of designing and dimensioning parts. The problem is then of course that no original and absolute specs for the cavity exists.

One way of doing it would be to get a dialog going here on the forum for dimensions, nessecary clearance, thread drill sizes and so on in order to make an fail safe drawing.

Regards,
pwrpro
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and I will forward files converted for you to advance it more in cad
please and post.
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Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 8th, 2013, 10:12 AM
Quote from securesupplies
Great  to have you here also
Thanks :D !

Ok, so I have started to draw the cavity and you can see the progress so far in the pictures below.
[attachment=3722]
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I have one question for now, does anybody know what type of bolts that were used for the cavity and what the necessary drill size is for tapping of the holes? (I guess that you have to tap the threads manually)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 9th, 2013, 12:30 AM
No all threads can be tapped by CNC
I am going to have to make an educated guess on this one as there are a lot of info left out of the drawings Don made.

From looking at the drawings and Pictures they are 304 S/S M5 4.80 metric fine thread drill size will be 4.3 for the 32 holes around the base.

thread and drill size is not to critical if it is not exact to Stan's

very possible to go to a M6 if need be.
You guys over there ok to use metric?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on May 9th, 2013, 11:02 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Thanks very much Russ ,I was asking for a very long time for those files...there are awesome ..very detailed work,thanks to Chris as well!B.r.!
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on May 9th, 2013, 02:37 PM
How an earth do you MOVE the pieces in solidworks,i found some wird arows but does nothing,thanks
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 9th, 2013, 03:50 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Awesome work there Russ/Chris!! :) Seems to me as the only parts missing is the top blow off valve cover and the very top metal piece. I decided to draw them up and you can see them in the pictures below.

[attachment=3726]
[attachment=3727]

Trethowen,
Going metric is Ok for me, but all the holes from Russes/Chris drawing is for imperial type threads. Can the CNC tap both types?

As for the material requirements it seems so far that it is:
7.5" roundstock Delrin/Acetal
6.5" Outside x 5.5" (5.48"?) Inner Delrin/Acteal Tube (Do they sell it in tubes?)

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 9th, 2013, 11:48 PM
The CNC machine will put in any thread you give it, so it should be ok, however for  those of us over the other side of the world how don't use imperial sizes very much, it may be a good idea to list an alternative thread tape and drill size,
just a thought.

The Acetal for the 7' tub will me machined out with a lathe as yes they do have Acetal / Derlin in that size as I when down and checked today.

The reason Stan got the base and tub made separately is due the depth.
No CNC mill can get down that deep. and still do the 11 holes.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 10th, 2013, 11:41 PM
Quote from pwrpro on May 8th, 2013, 10:12 AM
Quote from securesupplies
Great  to have you here also
Thanks :D !

Ok, so I have started to draw the cavity and you can see the progress so far in the pictures below.




I have one question for now, does anybody know what type of bolts that were used for the cavity and what the necessary drill size is for tapping of the holes? (I guess that you have to tap the threads manually)
Job well done, very good to have the share and post Progress!!

Look forward to bringing it to life@!

danieldonatelli@hotmail.com

PLease post  

CNC Cad File Set ,
varying formats  
try to follow and keep 3d print files valid with cad updates
that why proto types can be printed and cnc guys
have more and faster uptake to get same
result

step by step as you do it so we can try and trail it to follow

PLease  
version number or a date on files so we keep going on passing them
forward here.

Great progress Dan

RIP STAN
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 11th, 2013, 02:02 AM
Quote from pwrpro on May 9th, 2013, 03:50 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Awesome work there Russ/Chris!! :) Seems to me as the only parts missing is the top blow off valve cover and the very top metal piece. I decided to draw them up and you can see them in the pictures below.




Trethowen,
Going metric is Ok for me, but all the holes from Russes/Chris drawing is for imperial type threads. Can the CNC tap both types?

As for the material requirements it seems so far that it is:
7.5" roundstock Delrin/Acetal
6.5" Outside x 5.5" (5.48"?) Inner Delrin/Acteal Tube (Do they sell it in tubes?)
nice work!!

we had the top block but... we were just going to use a simple blow off.

but im glad you got it done!!

could you please make a single folder/set of drawings in all the formats ( like my files were... please do ST files also if you can...) so we can distribute them... that would be grate! i will make a video once we have it all done!!!!

you guys are grate! nice work!!

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 11th, 2013, 05:38 AM
Thanks guys!!!:):D Appreciate it! Working as fast as i can:)

I will post all the files just as you did when it is finished + different types of file formats (.dxf, .stl, .sat) Name more if you have need another format.

Trethowen,
I make all the thread holes for metric now. It looks now as it mainly will be M3 and M5 or M6. Do you also want the O - rings as metric?

As for the blow off valve i was first thinking to make the cover to simply sit over a purchased one. But did Stan make his own? Like with a valve and a spring?

I tried to make some basic calculations for a blow off valve and came up with this. Don't take it as correct calculations as I'm not sure they are. It would be great if someone could verify this or point out the errors.

Calculations for blow off at 20 Psi (all SL units):

p = F/A (p = pressure in pascals, F = Force in newtons that applies to the area A)

20 Psi = 137895 pascal

The area that affects the blow off valve is (.5" dia hole)  = 0.000126 m2

The force that act one the valve is then (F = p*A) = 137895 * 0.000126 = 17 newton

In summary: The spring need to start compressing at 17 newton applied. That would be around 1.7 kg or 3.7 lbs. Anybody know with what specs they sell springs?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 11th, 2013, 06:58 AM
you can buy just about any size spring including force,
1.7kg sounds about right,
Thinking it must be a S/S spring though due to corrosion!?!
Don't no how long it would last if it was Stainless Steel as it is brittle when it comes to moving parts.???

The O-rings will me 3m as common size, 1.5mm deep  x 3mm  grove on each part.

Ones the unit is finished and built, we can go down to your local O-ring specialist and get them to help you fit all the appropriate O-ring sizes.

All O-rings are listed by a common code and one we have the correct fitting O-rings,
then one of us can go ahead and list the part number code up in the plans, along with any other miscellaneous parts needed to complete the cell.

All good
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on May 11th, 2013, 09:26 AM
Russ,did Criss lock the parts up in solidworks because i cant move them.Tried different solidw versions but still cannot move parts.I want to move them so i can asemble the cell.In the end after hours of trying to asemble it ,i gave up and converted them in . skp'' files and mached perfectly all the pieces except the outside tube,it is too thick...no problem though just leting you know.Thanks!
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 11th, 2013, 10:44 AM
Quote from adys15 on May 11th, 2013, 09:26 AM
Russ,did Criss lock the parts up in solidworks because i cant move them.Tried different solidw versions but still cannot move parts.I want to move them so i can asemble the cell.In the end after hours of trying to asemble it ,i gave up and converted them in . skp'' files and mached perfectly all the pieces except the outside tube,it is too thick...no problem though just leting you know.Thanks!
Here is all the parts from Russ and Chris assembled. Nothing is changed.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: adys15 on May 11th, 2013, 10:55 AM
Quote from pwrpro on May 11th, 2013, 10:44 AM
Quote from adys15 on May 11th, 2013, 09:26 AM
Russ,did Criss lock the parts up in solidworks because i cant move them.Tried different solidw versions but still cannot move parts.I want to move them so i can asemble the cell.In the end after hours of trying to asemble it ,i gave up and converted them in . skp'' files and mached perfectly all the pieces except the outside tube,it is too thick...no problem though just leting you know.Thanks!
Here is all the parts from Russ and Chris assembled. Nothing is changed.
Thanks, you also make them move ,Aleluyah ....
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 11th, 2013, 02:01 PM
Update time:)
I have tried to design the safety valve mechanism, please look at it and see if it will work reliable.

[attachment=3731]
[attachment=3732]

It's designed for 1.5 mm dia O - rings. I used this chart to get the width and deept http://www.oringsusa.com/html/gland_design.html I used the "Liquid Gland" chart.

As for the spring I don't think SS is required. The valve should only be activated in case of failure of the electronics, and thus not allot.

EDIT: The inner O -ring grove is to narrow, but it have been fixed now.
Safety Valve Top Cap.
Version 2013-05-11
Metric version

Holes are intended for use with M3 Socket Cap screws 15 mm long.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 12th, 2013, 07:15 AM
Quote from pwrpro on May 11th, 2013, 02:01 PM
Update time:)
I have tried to design the safety valve mechanism, please look at it and see if it will work reliable.




It's designed for 1.5 mm dia O - rings. I used this chart to get the width and deept http://www.oringsusa.com/html/gland_design.html I used the "Liquid Gland" chart.

As for the spring I don't think SS is required. The valve should only be activated in case of failure of the electronics, and thus not allot.

EDIT: The inner O -ring grove is to narrow, but it have been fixed now.

Safety Valve Top Cap.
Version 2013-05-11
Metric version

Holes are intended for use with M3 Socket Cap screws 15 mm long.
OK rocking and rolling

great job guys ,
liked the previous post tidied up a lot,
great job!

Dan
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 12th, 2013, 07:50 AM
Quote from securesupplies on May 12th, 2013, 07:15 AM
OK rocking and rolling

great job guys ,
liked the previous post tidied up a lot,
great job!

Dan
Thanks Dan!

After talking to Trethowen I have redesigned the Safety Valve Top Cap for M4 screws. I have also renamed it to Pressure Relief Top Cap, as it is a more appropriate name and also complies with the name on Russ's and Chris drawings.

Please start looking the parts over and report any errors, check if it fits together, if clearance is missing, 3D print...

Pressure Relief Top Cap
Version 2013-05-12
Metric Version
304 S/S material

Holes are intended for use with M4 Socket Cap screws 30 mm long.

Cathode
Version 2013-05-12
Metric version
304 S/S material

Anode
Version 2013-05-12
Metric version
304 S/S material

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on May 12th, 2013, 08:11 AM
way cool guys, cant wait to have a look.
just need to down load a better CAD program on this computer.
Any suggestions?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: firepinto on May 12th, 2013, 10:42 AM
Quote from Trethowen on May 12th, 2013, 08:11 AM
way cool guys, cant wait to have a look.
just need to down load a better CAD program on this computer.
Any suggestions?
You could try Blender, its completely open source: http://www.blender.org/
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 12th, 2013, 11:31 AM
I'm trying to find the correct spring now and was thinking to check with you guys what a suitably pressure relief limit would be? 20 Psi? 15? 10?. Up till what pressure will the cell normally charge to?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 12th, 2013, 09:07 PM

Well Done Guys

Reviewing these  with other drawings,
thoughts are with Russ who will be down with family a lot now,
a lot to balance.

Russ
please support as a passive reviewer on specs
from time to time as can find a moment,
you have sizing in you head as a custom builder and that is valuable
for fast review.

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Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Lynx on May 13th, 2013, 07:13 AM
Quote from firepinto on May 12th, 2013, 10:42 AM
Quote from Trethowen on May 12th, 2013, 08:11 AM
way cool guys, cant wait to have a look.
just need to down load a better CAD program on this computer.
Any suggestions?
You could try Blender, its completely open source: http://www.blender.org/
Thanks for the tip (http://i1306.photobucket.com/albums/s566/4lynx4/Fun/thumbsup.gif)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: CEENERGY on May 15th, 2013, 02:57 PM
Good day, i'll be  follow your work, and i wonder why you don't integrate the tech? no just buil it.

You can produce HHO and prove the PMW and the HGG.  Have no sence make such a effort if you can prove it. That's the all about, then we can duplicate and give some contribution at the proces.

Regards

Ceenergy
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 16th, 2013, 04:21 PM
Quote from CEENERGY on May 15th, 2013, 02:57 PM
Good day, i'll be  follow your work, and i wonder why you don't integrate the tech? no just buil it.

You can produce HHO and prove the PMW and the HGG.  Have no sence make such a effort if you can prove it. That's the all about, then we can duplicate and give some contribution at the proces.

Regards

Ceenergy
HI Great to have you here,

Can you help,  We are all building different areas at same time,
 
Please advise which area you can help with. or skill you have.

Prime areas at this time
HGG and 11 Cell and Injector models in steel and 3d print.

We are trying to put tools in place on this site and others they allow immediate uptake and reproduction.
 
We can all help guide you to info or advances,
we all work and post what we can as we move forward to put things in place you can help with this please.

There is a focus on stanley meyers full replication as it was a economical process
and focused on converting the existing base of combustion engines more rapidly.

Please advise and support where you can
there is a lot of info on and need on this forum to makes advances on each part

Modeling in 3d printer format of all parts is a focus, so we can print any where and
show machiners what we want faster

along with having files in cnc & cad  formats is a simple parts

PLease all reading this, we live in same world , so as you apply your teams and skill base
please post all files info and advances it , and helps us save plant faster.

Visit securesupplies biz for more info about integration into existing engine management systems
there are several ways to convent modify sensors and ignition systems
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 19th, 2013, 04:25 PM
All parts is now drawn up. Some O - ring grooves, the pressure relief and some other small things is left. I hope to have it done and uploaded by this coming week. The pressure relief is going to be adjustable, it looks like it is going to be between 8 - 18 psi for now.

Here's some pics, enjoy;)

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Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on May 19th, 2013, 06:45 PM
Quote from pwrpro on May 19th, 2013, 04:25 PM
All parts is now drawn up. Some O - ring grooves, the pressure relief and some other small things is left. I hope to have it done and uploaded by this coming week. The pressure relief is going to be adjustable, it looks like it is going to be between 8 - 18 psi for now.

Here's some pics, enjoy;)
Very cool. Will this be in cad or an stl for 3d printing?:D
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: pwrpro on May 20th, 2013, 10:54 AM
Quote from Jeff Nading on May 19th, 2013, 06:45 PM
Very cool. Will this be in cad or an stl for 3d printing?:D
I'm uploading it in .DXF and .STL for now, make a note if you want other formats;)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on May 20th, 2013, 06:24 PM
Quote from pwrpro on May 20th, 2013, 10:54 AM
Quote from Jeff Nading on May 19th, 2013, 06:45 PM
Very cool. Will this be in cad or an stl for 3d printing?:D
I'm uploading it in .DXF and .STL for now, make a note if you want other formats;)
Great,:cool::D:P  stl for 3 d printing and dxf for mill, good stuff, thanks.:D:D
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on May 21st, 2013, 11:31 AM
Quote from pwrpro on May 19th, 2013, 04:25 PM
All parts is now drawn up. Some O - ring grooves, the pressure relief and some other small things is left. I hope to have it done and uploaded by this coming week. The pressure relief is going to be adjustable, it looks like it is going to be between 8 - 18 psi for now.

Here's some pics, enjoy;)
Thank you for Update ,
Very nice we all look forward to getting a variety of workable
formats made and posted

as it enables a lot of research to continue and progress to next levels

GOD Speed

Dan
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on June 11th, 2013, 01:33 AM
Hey Any Update from Adam?
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 14th, 2013, 10:41 PM
Ravenous Emu

HAs issued his version of Drawing I invite all other to post also

if you have in other format d or particaly in

 cnc file formats post  to this thread to seed work and builder global.

I would Like to Say thank you to Mr Sir Emu for this fine work it advances it further than ever before on RWG!!

Come others catch up and post  in other formats !

Daniel
www.securesupplies.biz

Attached.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Ravenous Emu on July 14th, 2013, 10:47 PM
Quote from securesupplies on July 14th, 2013, 10:41 PM
Ravenous Emu

HAs issued his version of Drawing I invite all other to post also

if you have in can cnc file format post  to this thread to seed work.

I would Like to Say thank you to Mr Sir Emu for this fine work it advances it further than ever before on RWG!!

Daniel
www.securesupplies.biz

Attached.
It's not 100% complete.
Some notes and a few title block entries need to be updated... (along with more drawings...)
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Trethowen on July 15th, 2013, 04:07 AM
Well done Ravenous Emu,
Hats off to you and your expertise!
sorry I have not been able to put anything up from my end yet.
I can't find anyone how wants to write the 11 cell Resonant cavity in DXF or CNC files for love yet...
Looks like I will have to pay a dude for it and will have to what till end of October as I should have some money and time to work with the guy in Christchurch.
I have not given up guys!
It's still something that we all need and still hold close to my heart to do.

Kind regards

Adam
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Ravenous Emu on July 15th, 2013, 08:02 AM
Quote from Trethowen on July 15th, 2013, 04:07 AM
Well done Ravenous Emu, Hats off to you and your expertise!
... I have not given up guys!
Thanks.

Also, pwrpro.
Have you got the actual CAD files for the top cap and all that?
Or a PDF with the dimensions?

I haven't messed with the top stuff 'cause you guys were working on it. :D :cool: :P
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 15th, 2013, 11:44 AM
 Just want to say I have great faith  in this thread it is one of  the keys,

Stan put a lot of study into this particular design,

Getting it complete and into cad should be a focus

Dan


ps we still need to raise awareness more for forum, maybe way is to invite uni tech and draft students
to do this as part of their project work

Dan
https://www.google.co.th/?gws_rd=cr#output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=cnc+design+foum+&oq=cnc+design+foum+&gs_l=hp.3...2326.10414.0.10535.21.17.1.0.0.2.1680.5883.7-3j1.4.0...0.0.0..1c.1.17.psy-ab.psbYdVe0_JM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48705608,d.bmk&fp=4ad727ab37f9b634&biw=1280&bih=695
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: gpssonar on July 15th, 2013, 11:59 AM
Just to let you all know Rav, and I are working on this also. I will be machining all this soon on my cnc mill. I will post the code for each part when I get it completed for everyone to use. Right now I am busy getting the electronics up and running on a test cell. Once that is completed I intend on moving on to machining the 11 cell cavity. I would say this will be a late Fall project for me, so if anyone wants to get it done before I get around to it, that would be great.
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Ravenous Emu on July 16th, 2013, 08:55 PM
Would some one please check my numbers and make sure they're good to go?
Tell me what Sheet, Section, and/or Detail if you notice anything.

Note:
I've not gotten to the tops/caps yet.
I did NOT use metric.
Also, I did NOT tolerance the dimensions.
(I'm not that familiar with that stuff :D )
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 20th, 2013, 02:08 AM
ok BUilders this is what I have so Far

I want to be open with builders and parts I want to generate discussion on price and what can be done and not done as a industry.  

What is good value and what is not only one way that is to share it.

I have run across a few people with running 11 cells of late so we must advance this faster people are holding back and more advanced that we all know.

if you want to chip in or buy in parts this is time to develop , we can do co op building and distributing , but where to start. skype daniel.donatelli
 
we can advance quick as team ,  

more we push the more price will come down as material is sorted our and set into flows to cnc guys they will buy stock in for  this build

I am sure we can cut corners, but this is  a producer with advance cnc that is prepared to build now. I will post  cnc files if I get them done from them , and invite other to also we can chop and change until prices comes down

Allow 3 Week to build and 10 days to ship.  it maybe alot faster but allow that.

The idea here is to get the industry moving.

 hi here is what I have in works for 11 cell
 The below is the quote of the part 11-CELL-UNIT-PDF-V3 for your reference :

1,  ANODE       OD12.7*101.6mm      $32.5*11=$357.5

2,  CATHODE-OUTER-TUBE  OD 19.05*69.85mm  $4.5*11=$49.5

3,  UPPER-BASE   OD177.8*101.6mm      $420*1=$420

4,  CELL-CAP      OD25.4*38.1mm       $5.5*11=$60.5

5,  BODY-TUBE    OD165.1*185.42mm    $195*1=$195

6,  LOWER BASE   OD177.8*76.1mm      $390*1=$350

The other parts we'll quote them in 2 days,

the drawings will be checked again, to make sure no error in production.And a quote list for all parts will be send to you.

Any question,please don't hesitate to contact with me ,

 We will have to add a margin and suggest rrp  
and shipping etc but that is price I think it is good from high precision cnc maker.

The cost of materials i most of this price we need to ad shipping

we have more fine tuning to do on design and parts but lets bust the move!!!

I have injectors parts be quoted same times, expected in days, I will push to get
better build pricing and ask you all to crank it up!

and get past the hesitation as people actually using this and hiding it.  pointless to do that. we all die a slow death.  there is is well over a billion cars and than how many other engines ? all killing our air

Dan

expect more pricing indication
and price reductions as I source material and new cnc guys who are fast this should help you advance on certain pcs

right now I am having long and healthy discussion on ecu and injector conversions.
  to run this it is refreshing we are getting new comers into it now all is being direct to rwg

Dan
www.securesupplies.biz
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Ravenous Emu on July 20th, 2013, 10:00 PM
Secure,

Here's a complete set up.
Again, some one please let me know if I missed any dimensions and/or notes.
:D :cool: :P

Note:
1) We don't have to have the "windows" on the "LOWER_BASE" if we don't want.
1A) If there are no "windows" we'll need to drill a hole for the wires.

2) The "BODY_TOP" & "BODY_TOP_BLOCK" are designed so you can use:
2A) 3/4" pressure relief valve ( http://www.pexsupply.com/Zurn-34-P1500-3-4-Calibrated-Pressure-Relief-Valve )
2B) 1/4" Pressure Gauge
2C) 3/8" Tubing
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 21st, 2013, 01:09 AM
Quote from Ravenous Emu on July 20th, 2013, 10:00 PM
Secure,

Here's a complete set up.
Again, some one please let me know if I missed any dimensions and/or notes.
:D :cool: :P

Note:
1) We don't have to have the "windows" on the "LOWER_BASE" if we don't want.
1A) If there are no "windows" we'll need to drill a hole for the wires.

2) The "BODY_TOP" & "BODY_TOP_BLOCK" are designed so you can use:
2A) 3/4" pressure relief valve ( http://www.pexsupply.com/Zurn-34-P1500-3-4-Calibrated-Pressure-Relief-Valve )
2B) 1/4" Pressure Gauge
2C) 3/8" Tubing
===========================================

I am sighing relief this is awesome, promoting sharing and cc cnc delrin steel and ceramic people globally. all other cad and cnc file convert welcomes along with injection gas gun cad files for fast uptake ,

this will put pressure on but good pressure lets get it done!

Simply good vibes !!!
Dan
PS love the windows and round cap  nice job.

www.securesupplies.biz

Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 25th, 2013, 06:18 AM
More Step by Step

This should help you get quotes and speed up items from CNC
Guys Global.

If you would like the excel editable version for your brand etc

no probs
please connect with me on skype and I will send it to you

skype daniel.donatelli  danieldonatelli@hotmail.com


PLease post the CNC files formats as they come in

I hope this motivates you all to work on  

(Air in Take Gas Processing Housing designs )
Drawing and 3d so we can get that started also

PLease see attached and Distribute it

Dan
www.securesupplies.biz
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 26th, 2013, 11:20 AM
 Shaking the can

  Dan  Attached

first production offers

PLease check the stock material diameters and measurements  etc

danieldonatelli@hotmail.com
skype daniel.donatelli
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: DanW on August 2nd, 2013, 07:51 AM
Hey guys, where did all of your hard work end up? Video,  anyone?  The thread just kinda stopped - may be my ignorance to the project, but what was the outcome?  

Cheers,

DanW
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on August 23rd, 2013, 09:30 AM
Quote from DanW on August 2nd, 2013, 07:51 AM
Hey guys, where did all of your hard work end up? Video,  anyone?  The thread just kinda stopped - may be my ignorance to the project, but what was the outcome? 

Cheers,

DanW
6 cell being produced

News from Iron max forum

Adam has agreed to off these rare units for sale he make by hand and will do only 4 pc more
order some and I invite you all to get the while you can adam@elitepoles.com 
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Allgood-Energy on September 12th, 2013, 07:14 PM
Hey I am new here in the forum but have a great deal of experience with Hydrogen research.

I have built 100 AMP 48 V PWM Controls for Closed cell brute force AMPS Electrolysis.

How where the dimensions for the 3D parts arrived at Best Guess from Picture or Measurements from Stan's work?

I would Like to render a version in Autocad Inventer with dimensional drawings for manufacture. I am out of work and have a lot of CAD experience in manufacturing. Check out some of my YOUTUBE Vids AllgoodAutomation.
I have stopped posting there in recent years because of what happened to Bob Boyce.
I would like to contribute to this effort if I am not too Late.

What has been done recently?
 Thanks
Thomas Allgood
:)
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Jeff Nading on September 12th, 2013, 07:57 PM
Quote from Allgood-Energy on September 12th, 2013, 07:14 PM
Hey I am new here in the forum but have a great deal of experience with Hydrogen research.

I have built 100 AMP 48 V PWM Controls for Closed cell brute force AMPS Electrolysis.

How where the dimensions for the 3D parts arrived at Best Guess from Picture or Measurements from Stan's work?

I would Like to render a version in Autocad Inventer with dimensional drawings for manufacture. I am out of work and have a lot of CAD experience in manufacturing. Check out some of my YOUTUBE Vids AllgoodAutomation.
I have stopped posting there in recent years because of what happened to Bob Boyce.
I would like to contribute to this effort if I am not too Late.

What has been done recently?
 Thanks
Thomas Allgood
:)
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Hi Thomas, if you browse the 3d printer section there are 3d renderings that can be downloaded you could convert to cad
here
http://www.open-source-energy.org/?fid=48

One thing I would like to see is the aluminum enclosure for the vic coil, so I can have them made on CNC mills. Thanks :cool::D:P

Jeff.    
Title: RE: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on September 15th, 2013, 09:59 AM

Several parts need putting in cad , for global productions to
be started this is a very good this to assit with for every one.  

if you do do them please

PLease post in cnc file formats  on this age
to get production happening.

Simple ones are the most treasured

1 vic housing
2 the gas processor (air ionizer body and cover and cap
3 the gas junction box (s)
4 end cap cover for injector
Quote from Jeff Nading on September 12th, 2013, 07:57 PM
Quote from Allgood-Energy on September 12th, 2013, 07:14 PM
Hey I am new here in the forum but have a great deal of experience with Hydrogen research.

I have built 100 AMP 48 V PWM Controls for Closed cell brute force AMPS Electrolysis.

How where the dimensions for the 3D parts arrived at Best Guess from Picture or Measurements from Stan's work?

I would Like to render a version in Autocad Inventer with dimensional drawings for manufacture. I am out of work and have a lot of CAD experience in manufacturing. Check out some of my YOUTUBE Vids AllgoodAutomation.
I have stopped posting there in recent years because of what happened to Bob Boyce.
I would like to contribute to this effort if I am not too Late.

What has been done recently?
 Thanks
Thomas Allgood
:)
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 9th, 2013, 02:30 AM
guys,

here is the work Chris has done.

i believe the only part we are missing is the base. i don't think we got it done. please use as reference these should be correct:

Thanks for posting guys and carrying on the work! once your drawings are done i will post on the website for downloading.

attached is an unfinished set ( i think) of drawings ( i think the one base is not done or at least not dimensioned???) that should be all correct to the dimensions of the original cell.

have a look and re post if all correct please.

Sorry it took so long to respond...

~Russ
Hi Thomas, if you browse the 3d printer section there are 3d renderings that can be downloaded you could convert to cad
here
http://www.open-source-energy.org/?fid=48

One thing I would like to see is the aluminum enclosure for the vic coil, so I can have them made on CNC mills. Thanks :cool::D:P

Jeff.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on June 7th, 2014, 08:14 AM
Ed making his 11 cell Version of Stan Last Electrolyzer design

 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 4th, 2014, 10:31 PM
This is From Matt in another Forum,   Many Builder are looking for people who can machine more of these,

Matt is not producing extra nor selling at this time.

these are shared to inspire you to build and
or support production

Enjoy

Dan danieldonatelli@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 4th, 2014, 10:35 PM
more of same
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 4th, 2014, 10:41 PM
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Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 4th, 2014, 11:03 PM
more
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 4th, 2014, 11:10 PM
more


Lets Pick up the pace, we can have these made or arrange parts to be ordered,

if you want to offer building parts welcome also

danieldonatelli@hotmail.com
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 19th, 2014, 10:30 AM
Matt Looking for more support to get part done for new run of 11 cell

Join in  Help get stuff coming to market  off what you can make on this thread too

Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Matt Watts on July 19th, 2014, 03:11 PM
Quote from securesupplies on July 19th, 2014, 10:30 AM
Matt Looking for more support to get part done for new run of 11 cell

Join in  Help get stuff coming to market  off what you can make on this thread too

Dan
Matt who?
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: gpssonar on July 19th, 2014, 08:14 PM
I don't know who the guy is in the photo, all the other photos except the last two and Ed cells at the top is the work of Adam Trethowen. I have been working close with Adam and I know those photo's are his. Maybe he just got the name wrong. Dan needs to do a better job on  getting his sources right so the right people gets credit for there work. As you can see Adam does amazing work and it a pleasure to help him get his cells up and running.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Matt Watts on July 19th, 2014, 09:30 PM
Holy cow!  I must have died and gone to heaven.

Is that really you Mr. Walker?  Still making progress I take it.  Good deal.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 12:39 AM
     Lets Help him he needs more support on getting production done and paid.

    Cell Shipped to more builders it is great to see people getting these 11 cells and working on the use of them.

      I invite all members to help improve posts and sharing by doing  some too ! 

      Lets Get this driving on engine ,   join in lets all support. !!!
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Gunther Rattay on July 20th, 2014, 02:53 AM
Quote from securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 12:39 AM
Lets Help him he needs more support on getting production done and paid.

    Cell Shipped to more builders it is great to see people getting these 11 cells and working on the use of them.

      I invite all members to help improve posts and sharing by doing  some too ! 

      Lets Get this driving on engine ,   join in lets all support. !!!
Daniel,

if you want to support him or anybody else you really have to obey the fact that best support for all those persons you are referring to is making correct source references. looking at your posts and advertisements makes the impression that you are the one (and only) supplier of all those products you are referring to. source references are lacking all over the place.

if those persons are invisible they won´t make it and then you won´t have something to sell ...

that´s not correct and may be copyright infringement in some countries.

would be more transparent if you include the original links instead of uploading copies of the pics so that the user can easily  follow the link.


just some hints for posts improvements ...
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 04:13 AM
:heart:

Noted , I can't promote here it has to be done in the sales thread. Here is open source news for each thread work  ,
Post items for sale in sales section, I am just sharing as I find things.
Links and things could be seen in wrong way if for another forum etc. I post links a plenty also in threads
when I think suitable, if I am not sure I allow you to simply email me or call and ask easy and straight no smoke no mirrors.
Conversations on skype email and phone are daily at my place.

Lets Advance others clearly are it is all about sharing and seeing and learning your not alone , some people get shocked by that
but it does them good..

Post more share more, world is plenty big and demand for anything is plenty big  demand outstrips supply.
Send me an email what you want to advance on, what product you want to promote any packaging or
just chat to discuss directions on how to make it more successful

What project you want to be part of ect.
We have sub dealers builders and installers now unfortunately many are in other forums So I want to see RWG advance so I share here what ever is in public domain , We want more brands more products to promote to clients
and get money to builders more and more every one is learning how to make it happen together . it is hard work but it is happening.

Here is the Open source rebuild and share area, for 11 cell

I am actively sharing and putting information in we need many more people do same and get things shared here on this build
and tips and parts sources and suppliers. 

For the 11 Cell

these pictures  are very import as it shows product is getting to replicators and builders faster they are starting at higher levels
and people are advancing in every country.

It put Stans Patents back on the front line and advances the industry to pay attention ,  to wet cells

Nasa Said Wet cell work better under high pressures compared to dry cell 2000-3000 psi so I take that as many
it is worth while pursing stans wet cell  tech. http://youtu.be/2_Fn96LRW3g
 
I hope every one picks up the pace on the home builds and offerings to join in making a Stanley Meyer wet Cell a valid option
on the market for solar home hydrogen making  stations.

I am simply a strong supporter for builders and industry as a business person just like any auto shop is of a parts supplier,
I do promotions events training and distribution and share every thing I can openly.

We all need to work together , as together some thing will happen and  it is not hope less
THE HYDROGEN INDUSTRY HAS STARTED

11 CELL

Lets  focus on the 11 Cell Build above
and what we can do to offer parts in faster ways from many builders the world instead of holding back stuff on shelves and in boxes.

We needs 1000's of 11 cell builders to build every part  cheaper so others can get it and join in teaching about their experiences on it.
The parts supply Model is well proven Car parts all over the world use that model now.  1 part made here 1 part made there all goes to assembly line. if you want to wait and see thats ok too

If you have a part ready than promote them. if not support those above who are pushing the impossible to occur.

Everyone needs support for something , to get their production done  faster 
Post what you need and what you doing for others to help.

10+10 + 10 is 40 ,11 cells I know of that have been done.

more coming Builders can make money from supplying others parts for  the 11 cells for others and other  items too
 to advance the industry and the work Things have to be low priced but in return you can ask MOQ 2 pc s 4 pcs etc   
If you a machinist offer what you can

Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: firepinto on July 20th, 2014, 05:02 AM
It is important to give credit to the people working hard on parts you are promoting.  I think it is a bit insulting to just lump everyone in a generic name like "builder".  Give credit for the source of openness.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: gpssonar on July 20th, 2014, 05:25 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on July 19th, 2014, 09:30 PM
Holy cow!  I must have died and gone to heaven.

Is that really you Mr. Walker?  Still making progress I take it.  Good deal.
Yea Matt I am still alive and plugging away. Kinda busy with my new Job, don't have much time on my hands like I use to. I pop in now and then to see whats new. Just seen what Dan posted, and lumped all the photo's together and gave someone else credit for photo's that belonged to someone else. Which I felt was wrong, I talk with Adam daily on skype, and have worked with him through all those builds that are in the photo's. The guy in the photo must be Matt, But those photo's are not the work of Matt, at least not the ones above the two bottom photo's.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 05:26 AM
Yes Some Photo mixed it is simple to highlight what is occurring on this 11 cell thread else where

I hope to bring knowledge to you to get you building and sharing again instead of sitting quiet,
I hope others bring and share info in too  so thread don't stays quiet.
I hope it make discussion happen on what can be made at what cost and offered to others openly.

That is all we are doing together here sharing  , for you to see and get inspired and support if you can . 

Matt is calling for support for this build on Iron max forum and calling for people to attend the event in October ,

It would be great if a few more member from RWG or other place supported matt and the event.

IF you would like to contact Matt than do it the email is above some where.  and his name is mentioned clearly.

Adam has agreed to off these rare units for sale he make by hand and will do only 4 pc more
order some and I invite you all to get the while you can adam@elitepoles.com 

This is all Hydrogen Charity work so join in  and support the costs are real and the end result are valid to work together on.

The are more engines than people now, and those engines make poison gas, so no matter what happens whether we use electric
cars etc etc we have to curtail the existing emissions urgently.


All noted

PS this is my Skype danieldonatelli@hotmail.com  MY ph is + 66 83 647 3443

it is far more productive just to call,   to clear conversations so thread stay focused.
and clean,   

I AM DOING WHAT EVER I CAN TO SHARE AND SPREAD THE INFO TO GENERATE SUPPORT FOR PEOPLE PRODUCING .


Note Last Post prior to these where September 12th, 2013, 07:14 PM 10 months ago

 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: gpssonar on July 20th, 2014, 05:41 AM
Quote from securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 05:26 AM
Yes Some Photo mixed it is simple to highlight what is occurring on this 11 cell thread else where

you know it is case by case some want their name every where some don't , mostly as they are only making a few pcs
you have to read between the lines some times, historically some builders have been hassled ,

In this Case it is a small production and small request in another forum group of builder
and posted here to simply to make you aware when other wise you would not know of the progress.

The Industry  is many thousands of builders now and things go across social networks broadly  in hrs . fb google twitter and many others,
 
these posts are brought to you from other forums and social groups and politics and bs is rampant and it is vital we acknowledge that
and work together so not to be come divided as some try to do over silly things to it is careful posts but post for you to see..

I hope to bring knowledge to you to get you building and sharing again instead of sitting quiet,
I hope others bring and share info in too  so thread don't stays quiet.
I hope it make discussion happen on what can be made at what cost and offered to others openly.

That is all we are doing together here sharing  , for you to see and get inspired and support if you can . 

Matt is calling for support for this build on Iron max forum and calling for people to attend the event in October ,

It would be great if a few more member from RWG or other place supported matt and the event.

IF you would like to contact Matt than do it the email is above some where.  and his name is mentioned clearly.

Adam has agreed to off these rare units for sale he make by hand and will do only 4 pc more
order some and I invite you all to get the while you can adam@elitepoles.com 

This is all Hydrogen Charity work so join in  and support the costs are real and the end result are valid to work together on.

The are more engines than people now, and those engines make poison gas, so no matter what happens whether we use electric
cars etc etc we have to curtail the existing emissions urgently.

All noted
Thanks Dan, for getting Adam's name out there, I am sure he will thank you also. He has put a lot of work into those photo's, he also has great machining skills as you can see. He's a good guy and his heart and sole is in the right place. May I suggest when you lump photo's together of several peoples work that you give all those people credit for there work. It appeared that you were giving the guy Matt credit for all the photo's. It may have been a mistake on your part. But now it is all cleared up and Thanks again,
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 05:45 AM
    Adam Does Deserve Support for the project and you all deserve to have 1 of those cells.

    And I hope every  can see they can do a lot more to help also to join in
    by supporting it is impressive work.

     Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: gpssonar on July 20th, 2014, 08:06 AM
Quote from securesupplies on July 20th, 2014, 05:45 AM
Adam Does Deserve Support for the project and you all deserve to have 1 of those cells.

    And I hope every  can see they can do a lot more to help also to join in
    by supporting it is impressive work.

     Dan
I give Adam all my support daily on skype, He is a great builder, hard worker and great machinest. I only wish we had more people like him.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on July 21st, 2014, 10:54 AM
Dan , all,

just a reminder:

this is #11 of the reregistration agreement:

"11. Always reference where your data came from. One MUST put all copied information under quotes with a link to original data. Do not post any copyright right information without the proper consent. "

so first, please tell Adam/Matt that you posted that info here, ( they may want to come join our conversation)
second, make sure you go back and link us back to where that info came from, and make sure you have it straight we always want to give proper credit.

those photos don't help us at all, but the info that comes with them will...

as you know, we are a give credit where credit is deserved community.

i know your just trying to spreed the good works but you must do it correctly or it will disrupt the work at hand. this i have seen over and over personally... so i'm trying to save you and this forum making mistakes that we already have and learned from in the past.


thanks!

~Russ
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on July 22nd, 2014, 07:11 AM
Noted, Mr Russ
it would be great if people tried to invite fresh people into to support and keeping progressive information occurring,even if some members get busy tried or distracted, if zero posts occur is makes threads seam dead(even if we are doing thing behind the scenes).  and new interest will simply not come. We have a world of schools and new generation wanting to learn this amazing technology.

Right now the member ship is 335 total members so
we should all try together to triple that before years end by seeking out and inviting young and old people from every where with a interest in the tech. May be you have more comps? or join together to chip in to buy some of Matt's Cells to Give away. Suggest Changing the Log in  so you must join forum and login  to view threads as we have a lot of browsers who read but can't post as they are not logged in it is kinda working against the flow of growth..

I know we are all very busy now plotting and planning, and it is one of the reasons I am posting from other groups as 11 cell work is stalled here,we have to realize others are not stalled and working real hard , so I am sharing that, it is a positive thing
and I will include more references so every one can sleep at night.
 
We must help each other keep refining the posts and pushing new content in correct ways here  and keep
improving I agree to the references etc
I will post as required , if no reference no post.  I would really love to see others post some things now too.

The good side is we saw some people wake up get interested in Matt and the 11 cell again with a flurry of post with in hrs instep of months . and at least comment in praise mostly that Matt has done fine work so that helps him go for it which he is doing.
so please all join in & get new versions 3d uploaded get 3d printable mocks up file done for printers posted for 11 cell posted and or cnc files for milling  so more school people can make models for machinists . and new machinists can do more from models

Have Fun Guys  This a fun Space. For Fun Stuff
Thank you Russ O:-)

Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on July 22nd, 2014, 07:54 AM
Quote from securesupplies on July 22nd, 2014, 07:11 AM
it would be great if people tried to invite fresh people into to support and keeping progressive information occurring,even if some members get busy tried or distracted, if zero posts occur is makes threads seam dead(even if we are doing thing behind the scenes).  and new interest will simply not come. We have a world of schools and new generation wanting to learn this amazing technology.

Right now the member ship is 335 total members so
we should all try together to triple that before years end by seeking out and inviting young and old people from every where with a interest in the tech. May be you have more comps? or join together to chip in to buy some of Matt's Cells to Give away. Suggest Changing the Log in  so you must join forum and login  to view threads as we have a lot of browsers who read but can't post as they are not logged in it is kinda working against the flow of growth..

Have Fun Guys  This a fun Space. For Fun Stuff
Thank you Russ O:-)

Dan
well i would word it more like,

this is a fun place for serious progress, :)

also on the longing in for others to see the posts, that kinda counter acts the reason there even here looking, ( search engines wont direct them here if they cant see it with out longing in)

any how that's a conversation for another place on another thread... so if we want to keep talking about this lets do it else where.

Blessings!

~Russ
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on August 14th, 2014, 12:48 AM
  It is great to see every one post and building these units,

  I am open sourcing the Idea for every one to build and offer what they can on this design

  We all need to realize the  world is in trouble and we all have to push and build what we can and fast get it into the distribution channels

  Warm regards

   Dan
  :)

Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Ravenous Emu on October 13th, 2014, 07:28 AM
Quote from ~Russ on July 21st, 2014, 10:54 AM
...and make sure you have it straight we always want to give proper credit....
...as you know, we are a give credit where credit is deserved community...
...so i'm trying to save you and this forum making mistakes that we already have and learned from in the past.
@secure:

Along those lines... Could you at least credit that portion of your picture with my name please... It would be greatly appreciated.
The top left portion of your picture is from a PDF I posted a long time ago.

I did say that you could use it... but, could you at least give credit for it?

Thank you.

PS - Source Credit for my drawings were from Russ and Chris.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on December 7th, 2014, 06:52 AM
Yes Top left is From Rav Emu top right from Dan

Excellent Job on the cell Cad

Plan in here some where also

I hope some one post the full  3d files and
full set of machining formats

for cnc and 3d printers

Good luck and Change the World :heart:
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on April 28th, 2016, 03:19 PM
    OK almost all in one place
      to jointly work on it  to make easier for 11 cell replications faster and advance this version of stand tech
         
     https://cad.onshape.com/documents/56930d2da07d77d7072c5cc1

Alot of credit to russ chris emu and others who have got it this far

hope this helps new people have a faster uptake and join in

Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 18th, 2017, 02:03 PM
We see in stage I that Stan used 18 inch long stainless steel tubes with a modified heavy duty alternator. 
And was able to idle the 1600 cc Volkswagen engine in the driveway. 

Note: without water injection spark plugs, 660 nm LEDs gas processor on the intake and the recycled exhausts. 

I some able to achieve 300 V on alternator demonstration on the 18 inch long stainless steel tube set. 

Now in the 3rd stage, Stan abandoned the EPG. 

And went back to elector-mechanical ROTOR PHASER. 
Producing 3 pulse phases with 10 output channels . 
With probably as many as 10 water fuel capacitors per output channel. 
That would be 100 water fuel capacitors in all. 

In stage IV the International Patent. 
Stan went shorter stainless steel tubes and higher voltages. 
Approximately 120 volts per inch on the T304 stainless steel. 

4 inches=2020 volts 
5 inches=1900 volts 
6 inches=1780 volts 
7 inches=1660 volts 
8 inches=1440 volts 
9 inches=1320 volts 
10inches=1200 volts 
11inches=1080 volts 
12 inches= 960 volts 
13 inches= 840 volts 
14 inches= 720 volts 
15 inches= 660 volts 
16 inches= 540 volts 
17 inches= 420 volts 
18 inches= 300 volts 

2.75 inches is the length T304 stainless steel that is used in the international patent. 

120 volts per inch 1 on theT304 stainless steel. 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on March 21st, 2017, 04:08 PM
Hi all,

Would I be correct in assuming the latest designs of the WFC unit (shared on the onshape.com link posted by Daniel) is the preffered version, considering the ongoing discussions on the VIC (link(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.225)) and driver circuit v5 designed by Matt Watts (link(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2820.0)). In other words, are these the 3 parts that should work together?

If I understand correctly, said VIC was designed to drive an 11 cell unit? Is this correct?

Another thing I was wondering is why the anode steel tube of a capacitor cell (see attachment) is longer and has these notches on the top and bottom side. Is this a consequence of this particular WFC unit design or is there another reason behind it?

Ow, and for the record: you guys rock! I'm truly amazed by all the contributions made in every thread I read. What a great endeavour this forum really is...
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: haxar on March 21st, 2017, 04:58 PM
Quote from Henne on March 21st, 2017, 04:08 PM
Another thing I was wondering is why the anode steel tube of a capacitor cell (see attachment) is longer and has these notches on the top and bottom side. Is this a consequence of this particular WFC unit design or is there another reason behind it?
An important design feature of the inner tube is that it's longer than the outer tube, so that spacers in-between them are not needed.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on March 22nd, 2017, 01:45 PM
Thx for your response Haxar. I could ask more questions about the design, but these seem to be secondary questions.

The big question remains: is this the WFC design we should focus on at this time, considering the new driver board and VIC discussions?

Or, is it better to test with a single tube cell? (k.i.s.s.)

This all depends if the VIC was designed to work with an 11-cell unit or not.
Or shouldn't the number of cells mather at all and is it all a matter of tuning?
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: haxar on March 22nd, 2017, 01:59 PM
You can design the cell cavity, whatever way you want. I favor the concentric tube design.

The VIC is where the magic is. We're trying to understand all its tricks, from the literature, patents and estate.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Gunther Rattay on March 23rd, 2017, 12:12 AM
Quote from Henne on March 21st, 2017, 04:08 PM
Hi all,

Would I be correct in assuming the latest designs of the WFC unit (shared on the onshape.com link posted by Daniel) is the preffered version, considering the ongoing discussions on the VIC (link(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2785.225)) and driver circuit v5 designed by Matt Watts (link(http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2820.0)). In other words, are these the 3 parts that should work together?

If I understand correctly, said VIC was designed to drive an 11 cell unit? Is this correct?

Another thing I was wondering is why the anode steel tube of a capacitor cell (see attachment) is longer and has these notches on the top and bottom side. Is this a consequence of this particular WFC unit design or is there another reason behind it?

Ow, and for the record: you guys rock! I'm truly amazed by all the contributions made in every thread I read. What a great endeavour this forum really is...
In a tuned Stan Meyer system all parts depend on each other. The more you change the further away you are from the parameters Stan documented and the more difficult it is to make a conjoint progress.
A single tube cell will give you much different experimental results from a series cell configuration because water resistance adds up in a series cell configuration and high water resistance is one of the key parameters to get it running.
of course those series tubes also must be precisely built, length and gap between inner rod and outer tube must be exactly the same for all serial cell elements.

Take into account that vic transformer core is a limitation: core size, AL value, turn count, wire diameter, parasitic capacitance, frequency range are key elements and a single cell system would need much larger core than available for us.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Matt Watts on March 23rd, 2017, 12:52 AM
Interesting theory Gunther, though I don't think it works the way you suggest--classical thinking.

IMHO, you create dielectric standing wave nodes and position them on the plates.  Adjacent nodes have opposite polarity.  You can have as many plates as you want as long as you can keep them aligned to where the nodes manifest.  Since dielectricity prefers a path of higher resistance, more plates is better.  At some point the plate thickness will throw off the alignment--a dozen cells should be more than adequate for our needs.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on April 18th, 2017, 02:39 PM
Guys, any idea where I could my hands one of these babies? I've been looking all over, but can't quite seem to find the correct search terms for this type of bolt and connections...

Any suggestions much appreciated!

(http://open-source-energy.org/?action=dlattach;topic=249.0;attach=8994;image)
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: X-Blade on April 18th, 2017, 03:17 PM
Hello Henne.

Russ had a nice vídeo explaining how this connectors are made:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k3vPd5MEZ4
If you have access to a lathe and some basic skill on it, you can turn a piece os stainless steel with 2 threads.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on April 18th, 2017, 03:54 PM
thanks for responding Xblade, yeah i have been finishing up other things so haven't had as much time here to join ( sorry)

more soon though. getting stuff off my plate... so i can load it with more things...
~Russ
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on April 18th, 2017, 03:55 PM
also Henne, there are some 6 cell versions. you can make. its the ones that Ronnie is using.

~Russ 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: nav on April 19th, 2017, 01:39 AM
Quote from Matt Watts on March 23rd, 2017, 12:52 AM
Interesting theory Gunther, though I don't think it works the way you suggest--classical thinking.

IMHO, you create dielectric standing wave nodes and position them on the plates.  Adjacent nodes have opposite polarity.  You can have as many plates as you want as long as you can keep them aligned to where the nodes manifest.  Since dielectricity prefers a path of higher resistance, more plates is better.  At some point the plate thickness will throw off the alignment--a dozen cells should be more than adequate for our needs.
Sorry for my absence folks, my father died on Friday the 14th so i've been kinda getting through that.
Matt, do you think that dielectricity prefers the high impedance path because that path is where the circuit is resonant? Then if you create a lower impedance short circuit you get dielectric standing waves across the short circuit where the water fuel cell is.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on April 19th, 2017, 04:56 AM
Thx Xblade for the reply and Russ for making the very informative video ofc. :) I had hoped this would be an 'of the shelve' component, but at least now I know what to start looking for. :)
Quote
Sorry for my absence folks, my father died on Friday the 14th
Sorry to hear that Nav, my condolences. The death of a family member always comes too soon. It's important to give yourself all the time you need.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Matt Watts on April 19th, 2017, 09:56 AM
Quote from nav on April 19th, 2017, 01:39 AM
Sorry for my absence folks, my father died on Friday the 14th so i've been kinda getting through that.
"Getting old sucks!" 

Those were the last words my Pa left me with before he died.

Yeah, it's a lonely world now.  He's no longer looking over my shoulder on these projects, though sometimes I do feel I'm being guided by some intangible force.  All the more reason to listen to our instincts.  I'm certainly glad you have decided to stick with this Nav.  For me it has become the major reason to keep living.
Quote from nav on April 19th, 2017, 01:39 AM
Matt, do you think that dielectricity prefers the high impedance path because that path is where the circuit is resonant? Then if you create a lower impedance short circuit you get dielectric standing waves across the short circuit where the water fuel cell is.
I've been studying Jack's work found in this thread:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/

From what I can tell, this is very similar to the Tesla hairpin circuit and also has some relation to Gerald Morin's work.  There is an interesting behavior here when you have a very high impedance source driving a lower impedance load.  It's as though dielectricity has to go some place because the wires bound it to do so.

I'm looking at doing a build based on Jack's work to see if I can get my head wrapped around what is going on here.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Alberto on April 19th, 2017, 03:46 PM
I am very sorry to hear about your loss…
Please stay strong and keep up the good work...
Regards Alberto
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on May 2nd, 2017, 11:06 AM
A quick update on the electrical connection question I asked recently. I've improvised a bit and below some pictures of how I will make the connections with the electrodes. I used m6 stainless allthread instead of combining 2 bolts back to back. The spring fits nicely in the screw hole on one side of the allthread (so I'll screw them in backwards). I handtapped the holes in the 3D print of the 11 cell WFC base for m6 screws. Some watertight washers 'seal the deal'.

I found the components quite easily thanks to the industrious Dutch and their plethora of webshops. :) Links below for anyone in Europe looking for components.

Stainless springs: alcomex.nl(https://webshop.alcomex.nl/producten/drukveren.html)  Pressure spring RVS ø 0,40x2,50x9,60 mm   - article number DR920
The stainless bolts, allthread and washers: rvspaleis.nl(https://www.rvspaleis.nl/bouten/draadeind)
Cable socket: found on allekabels.nl(https://www.allekabels.nl/kabelschoen-adereindhuls/1253/3312/kabeloog.html)

Thanks again for all the info shared in this thread. More info on the progress as it comes!
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on May 2nd, 2017, 05:12 PM
NICE WORK!!!!!!

Those look great!!! and there adjustable :)

~Russ
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on June 2nd, 2017, 08:34 AM
Just a heads-up, 3D printing this 11-cell design is tricky business... I had this printed in PLA (took about 4 days non stop printing) and although the print quality was quite good, water just leaks through it like a sieve rendering it completely unusable. Inherent to 3D prints are microleaks between layers. As 3D printing in other materials is insanely expensive, it was back to the drawing board to find an alternative. I decided to go for a block of POM material to extrude the cavities manually. This should be leak-free.

On this topic, I ordered POM-C Acetal instead of POM-H a.k.a. Delrin. They are similar materials, and many mechanical properties seem to be within approximately 10% of each other. Both have good electrical properties. Added benefit, Acetal is non-porous (as Delrin can be slightly porous in the core in large diameters) and also cheaper than Delrin, so good to consider this alternative. Unless ofc there is a really good reason to use Delrin I don't know about. :)

Article on this topic here: https://www.directplastics.co.uk/why-choose-acetal-or-delrin.html
Datasheet: https://www.smithmetal.com/pdf/plastics/acetal.pdf
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on June 30th, 2017, 04:44 PM
Hi y'all!

Another update with some good news! It took quite some effort, but I finally managed to finish the 11 cell WFC.

Since the 3D print of the blueprint design did not work as expected, I started from scratch with a cilinder (ø150mm) of POM-C material (see post above). I extruded the cavities holding the electrodes with a vertical drill. It was a bit tricky to get watertight everywhere, some O-rings (Ø=131mm, thickness=2.5mm) did the job eventually. The tube caps are 3D printed.

The top cap is also POM-C material, the O-ring is cut to size with Ø3mm.

The electrodes are 316L stainless. The provider was 'Salomons metals(https://salomons-metalen.nl)' in the Netherlands, and had them cut the inner and outer electrodes cut to size. Through a friend I had the inner electrodes tooled in a machine workshop. The exact measurements of the electrodes are as close as possible to Stan's...
Inner: Cilinder AISI-316L stainless Ø 12.70MM (1/2"), height: 102mm
Outer: Tube AISI-316L stainless  Ø19.05mm (.750'') with a tickness of 1.65mm (About 0.07mm ticker than Stan's based on the blueprint), height: 70mm.

The electrical connections:
Stainless springs: Alcomex(http://alcomex.nl) Pressure spring RVS ø 0,40x2,50x9,60 mm   - article number DR920
The stainless bolts, allthread and watertight washers: rvspaleis.nl(http://rvspaleis.nl)
Cable socket: found onallekabels.nl(http://allekabels.nl)

I had to make some adjustments on the bottom of the cell, as I, in an attempt to match the blueprint as close as possible, extruded too much material for the holes to be watertight. So I had to glue some extra material on top of each hole. Consequently, I need larger allthreads to make the connections. So beware of not making this mistake if you decide to build it yourself this way. It was a bit of a mess at some point, but I'm quite satisfied with the end result. Now to make this thing produce some gas...

Any remarks or suggestions are always welcome. If you want to build this thing and need some advice: feel free to ask.

Last but not least, I'd like to thank everyone for all the info shared in this thread. I would not have been able to build this without your help. You guys rock!

Cheers,
Henne
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Matt Watts on June 30th, 2017, 06:52 PM
Beautiful Henne.  That's what we all need to connect our VIC coils to.

Based on your other thread, it sure looks to me like you have all the major components ready to go.  I have my fingers crossed you find success.  Have a gut feeling if you find the correct tuning protocol, you'll be producing gas in no time.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on July 10th, 2017, 11:03 PM
Yeay man  that looks good!!!

~Russ
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: firepinto on July 26th, 2017, 06:37 AM
Excellent work henne!  I have always wanted to try impregnating a 3D printed cell with some kind of sealer.  The in-fill pattern could be minimal, and the voids sealed by dunking the cell in a tank of some kind of sealer that don't add a lot of material thickness. 

Some experiments would have to be run on test parts to find a sealer that doesn't degrade ABS or PLA.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on July 26th, 2017, 04:56 PM
Thx! If this would work, that would be interesting, for sure. As long as the cost does not exceed the alternative of extruding it from raw plastic material of course. Imho, the difficulty of waterproofing cheap 3D prints is a major weakness for the technology. Unfortunately, it makes it irrelevant for any application involving liquids.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Matt Watts on July 26th, 2017, 07:04 PM
Quote from Henne on July 26th, 2017, 04:56 PM
Unfortunately, it makes it irrelevant for any application involving liquids.
Except for 3D printed water filters.   :-)

There's someone a multi-million dollar idea if you want it.   :clap2:
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: ~Russ on July 31st, 2017, 11:37 AM
Quote from Henne on July 26th, 2017, 04:56 PM
Thx! If this would work, that would be interesting, for sure. As long as the cost does not exceed the alternative of extruding it from raw plastic material of course. Imho, the difficulty of waterproofing cheap 3D prints is a major weakness for the technology. Unfortunately, it makes it irrelevant for any application involving liquids.
I have had really good lick getting water tight prints, its all in the tuning...

~Russ

PS. i have also made a lot o f water filters lol
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 12th, 2018, 02:34 AM
Just looking at this thread again ,  and checking the pcs, 

This one seam to be not drawn   

do we have pictures or drawing or stL
of this base for the 11 WFC part ??

Attached


Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 7th, 2018, 05:41 AM
The Cell has injector return and feed lines in the bottom
 the cell is the bladder so to speak hold pressure but it is bottom down and out  to injectors
top is vented to manifold over a certain pressure that is why it is small lines etc from top the pressure release is to hold gas in the water and vent back to manifold over a certiain pressure , gas is dissolved into water so he hold a gas pressure on the water from inside cell to keep it re programed as it by passes from injector,  the water needs to be cooled though . This is a major find and it is very major thing to note.  2018 !!!  Stan Meyer before 2020
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 23rd, 2018, 08:46 AM
  Notes

  1 Add Quartz Tube close as Possible to the putter , putter is positive  (  can any one draw that ? ) and make a size for quartz tube.

  2 Cell dissolves gas into water water goes out and comes in from injectors via base that is the water fuel.

3 vent is a vent only for gas leaving water as it cycles in injector circuit it vents back to manifold  and can go via gas processor it hols 1  to 2 atm on water so gass dissolves , water must be keep below 40 c all times
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 23rd, 2018, 10:06 PM
Adding Quartz tube to 11 cell

Quartz tube dielectric barrier
Outside Diameter 18.mm
Inside Diameter  17.mm or 16 mm
THickness 1 mm or 2mm
Length  69.85 mm 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 13th, 2019, 12:06 AM
Some Progress by Homes builders  here
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: patrick1 on January 13th, 2019, 01:25 AM
resurrect the tread.   is this meyer Pooe real ?.  been watching and reading the stuff since 2003 ===//   i think he had more aspiration than completed genius work         (im still not even convinced the hho production is much better than a well softed electrolysis cell

RAWR ;-D

*takes notes*
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 13th, 2019, 01:35 PM
close your eyes

But open your Ears so you can hear  "it is Real"
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: patrick1 on January 14th, 2019, 04:36 AM
sweeeeet   well in that case,  i put forth ; that we need a clever person, too post a stoopid "how too suck, squeeze, bang and blow" water.
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 16th, 2019, 10:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/user/securesupplies
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 20th, 2019, 07:19 PM
Some Pic as we start

Dan
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: patrick1 on January 21st, 2019, 09:33 AM
i would love too compare litres per hour with you,   -  im running paralell plate cells, with about 1mm spacing.  about 15kgs worth

i do have some ss tubing cells that i made, as part of my meyer testes however i could never get even lawsons circuits working too well
and step charging didnt yeild any results. -  too much internal resistance i guess.  -   the "call conditioning was always ambiguous so i never
did much with that, - many tests left unexplored, but i am resurrecting the multiple apparatus's anyway.

trying too find a hho / petrol / mist ballance
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 22nd, 2019, 01:00 AM
tubes make 4.75 times the gas with  under 4 amps

no electrolyte ddh20 double distilled water
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: patrick1 on January 22nd, 2019, 09:24 AM
Hey great stuff buried in your youtube channel securesupplies !

russ too... just been looking at those resonant cavities again,  great community work

... is there a common problem peeps run into with meyers stuff,  - especially with his mention of using audio transformers instead of VIC ?
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 22nd, 2019, 09:35 PM
Slow but sure
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 23rd, 2019, 09:23 PM
Step By Step

the base does not have  hex bolt size or depth indicated left for the designed to decide

i circled it welcome comments on a part number

Dan
 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on January 27th, 2019, 08:11 PM
Step by Step 
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 5th, 2019, 04:48 AM
Multi sizes
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 5th, 2019, 04:51 AM
Files in 16 inch thread 4 inch 8 inch 16 inch 18 inch 11 tube cells
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: Henne on March 9th, 2019, 07:34 AM
Having built one of these, I can say this design is impractical for testing purposes. There's a not quite obvious component that is left out in these drawings, which is on the bottom of the cell, you need to connect a water reservoir on the side so water can flow by the principe of communicating vessels so the water gets replenished when it is converted into gas.

I do not recommend building this cell if you're a beginner and want to build a 'quick' testing setup. It will take you quite some time and there are perhaps easier designs to get started with (such as simply having a rigid array of tube cells submerged in water).

Nonetheless, nice drawings! What is the effect of the longer tubes?
Title: Re: Stan's Original 11 cell Resonant cavity Sketch and Build.
Post by: securesupplies on March 9th, 2019, 10:59 AM
yes you might discover dissolving nano bubbles into the water using zero amp no one said it was easy