Electrical Polarization Process

Alex Petty

Electrical Polarization Process
« on December 3rd, 2011, 08:56 AM »Last edited on December 14th, 2011, 05:25 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
I and Russ have successfully reproduced the Electrical Polarization Process (EPP) which is the heart and soul of the technology. It is step one of Meyer's overall so-named "Hydrogen Fracturing System". EPP is key because it is the means by which gas is formed from water using almost no power. Using the EPP, water is pulled apart by employing a very strong electrostatic fields which interacts with the polarity of the water molecule itself, in effect electrically winching apart the water molecule. The result is that the bonds holding the O an H together break and then clean fuel gases are released.
The schematics and details of my replication can be seen in this video that I released a few days ago.



I have been able to replicate this aspect of the technology for quite some time now and have developed real expertise around this. I am happy to help anyone who wishes to know more. Just let me know.

Best,
Alex

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RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #1, on December 3rd, 2011, 02:28 PM »
AMAZING WORK GUYS!  You are all so incredibly hard working and knowledgeable thanks for bringing all this to light!

comdoc

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #2, on December 3rd, 2011, 03:12 PM »
Congratulations!

Brilliant blessings,

Dr. George Soros

Davecbwfc

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #3, on December 11th, 2011, 12:25 PM »
You should keep in mind that he is not using Stan's vic in this set up. L1 and L2 chokes are missing.


Alex, why were they not included?

~Russ

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #4, on December 13th, 2011, 02:06 AM »Last edited on March 20th, 2012, 11:24 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Davecbwfc on December 11th, 2011, 12:25 PM
You should keep in mind that he is not using Stan's vic in this set up. L1 and L2 chokes are missing.


Alex, why were they not included?
dave, we are implementing the simplest way to prove this works.

we are using just the EMF of the magnetic field collapsing in the coil. most of the time you would see people direct this type of energy in to a Cap or battery. like a Bednin wheel.

just pure EMF. that's the key. it all must be tuned for max gas output but this is just to prove some concepts.

now if you look at stand 8XA box you will see just one coil and one this may be stans steps to the VIC with the chokes???

any way here is the photos and schematics / data from the film. it was kinda small. not sure what happen...

http://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/n6fhtd

thanks!

~Russ

PS i also attached the files...

Alex Petty

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #5, on December 13th, 2011, 02:25 PM »
Quote from Davecbwfc on December 11th, 2011, 12:25 PM
You should keep in mind that he is not using Stan's vic in this set up. L1 and L2 chokes are missing.


Alex, why were they not included?
No one is looking at Meyer's EPP correctly. This circuit is arranged to open your eyes. L1 increases the voltage significantly, but only to the Vss side of L1!
That's they key! It's the kV range BEMF pulse associated with L1 field collapse that yields the strong polarity field that effects the water molecule. Adding L2 enhances the effect further. I made this circuit available to teach everyone and give people a means to gain first-hand experience with the basics of this technology!
-Alex Petty

Sharky

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #6, on December 16th, 2011, 01:57 AM »
Quote from alexander.petty@gmail.com on December 13th, 2011, 02:25 PM
Quote from Davecbwfc on December 11th, 2011, 12:25 PM
You should keep in mind that he is not using Stan's vic in this set up. L1 and L2 chokes are missing.


Alex, why were they not included?
No one is looking at Meyer's EPP correctly. This circuit is arranged to open your eyes. L1 increases the voltage significantly, but only to the Vss side of L1!
That's they key! It's the kV range BEMF pulse associated with L1 field collapse that yields the strong polarity field that effects the water molecule. Adding L2 enhances the effect further. I made this circuit available to teach everyone and give people a means to gain first-hand experience with the basics of this technology!
-Alex Petty
I have spent a lot of time and effort in getting the 8XA and VIC setups to work in the last year. In the end, all results could be traced back to plain electrolysis. So i also concluded i needed to go back to the basic principles behind this technology because simply replicating the Meyer technology seems not to bring forth any big results. When reading over the Meyer and Puharich patents (again ...) i also concluded i needed to get the Electrical Polarization Process right. So when i saw your post i read it with great interest and replicated it right away, however funny how even the simpliest version of a circuit to get the EPP right can raise so many questions ;). Here they are anyway:
- am i correct you use a 10KHz pulse and 50Hz gating frequecy with the 555's?
- are these frequencies choosen with a specific reason in mind or at random?
- what type of diodes are D1 and D2? I found that the D2 i used was not fast enough to switch the 10KHz pulse signal so i only got a 50hz block wave at the mosfet.
- a coil of 680 mH and wfc capacitor of 16.5 nF gives a resonance frequency of 1503 Hz, is this at all important for the EPP? With the 10KHz pulse freq this will not be at resonance will it?
- could you provide waveforms of L1 and C1 when running to check if mine are correct?
- it seems you only have part of your tube cell in the water, is that to ajust your capacitance or do you have an other reason for it?

Thank you for your time ...

Alex Petty

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #7, on December 16th, 2011, 04:03 AM »Last edited on December 18th, 2011, 05:32 AM by alexander.petty@gmail.com
below are your questions answered in the order they were asked:

- am i correct you use a 10KHz pulse and 50Hz gating frequecy with the 555's?

|alex petty| - 10KHz is often my starting point. I then scan down from there to dial in the resonant frequency. I did account for this with the comment in the video version of the schematic to "adjust C3 to tune to the resonant frequency".
i designed this circuit to allow people the opportunity to gain experience on the core issues relevent to EPP. i think you are asking all of the right questions! my own experience has taught me that the best way to find the resonant frequency is to adjust the pulse frequency and stop at the point where you see the back-spike amplitudes are highest in the scope (rather then relying on calculations, which I have in the past routinely found to disagree with the physical arrangement). another tip (not indicated on the schematic) is that you can increase the BEMF voltages produced by L1 another 30 to 40% by adding an earth ground to your negative rail.
- |alex petty|

- are these frequencies chosen with a specific reason in mind or at random?

|alex petty| - the pulsing frequency is selected as discussed above. the gating frequency should be long enough to allow the DC voltage in C1 to drop to its floor voltage. this will give you a pronounced step charging effect which, according to meyer, yields the maximum agitation to the molecular bonds.- |alex petty|

- what type of diodes are D1 and D2? I found that the D2 i used was not fast enough to switch the 10KHz pulse signal so i only got a 50hz block wave at the mosfet.

|alex petty| - in this particular circuit i am using a couple of PTC205 diodes. a 50Hz pulse should have produced very high back-spikes on L1 (since greater charge flow time leads to a stronger L1 field, which leads to higher BEMF when it collapses), but at 50Hz you would not have driven very many of these pulses into C1. i suspect you saw some slight production with larger bubbles. i have noticed that the higher the pulse frequency, the smaller or finer the gas bubbles produced in the cell. - |alex petty|

- a coil of 680 mH and wfc capacitor of 16.5 nF gives a resonance frequency of 1503 Hz, is this at all important for the EPP?

|alex petty| - resonance is very important to EPP, because it is only at resonance (or within ~10% +/- the resonant frequency) that the BEMF pulses on L1 develop the very high amplitudes that lead to EPP gas production. The amplitudes will be highest right on the resonant frequency but will still be pretty high if within ~10% the left or right of the resonant frequency. Outside of this you will see in your scope the BEMF amplitudes drop significantly. Again, the goal here is to cultivate the highest BEMF possible. I believe that the higher we can stoke these back-spikes, the more gas we will be able to produce.- |alex petty|

- could you provide waveforms of L1 and C1 when running to check if mine are correct?

|alex petty| - the waveform shown in the video is from a probe positioned between Vss L1 and Vss C1, and so the waveform on both components are exactly the same. remember, the BEMF energy is surging away from L1 in the opposite direction as one would normally expect.- |alex petty|

- it seems you only have part of your tube cell in the water, is that to ajust your capacitance or do you have an other reason for it?

|alex petty| - as mentioned in the video, i only filled up the top 25% of the capacitor C1. i did this as a quick way to (1) eliminate the leakage issue and to (2) be able to better measure gas production by volume displacement of the liquid.- |alex petty|

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Sharky

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #8, on December 21st, 2011, 07:30 AM »Last edited on December 21st, 2011, 08:10 AM by Sharky
Hi Alex,
I tried to replicate your results but until now without any success. My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:
- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.
- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet
- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

Any tips on how to make the EPP work?
Kind Regards,


~Russ

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #9, on December 21st, 2011, 09:20 PM »
Quote from Sharky on December 21st, 2011, 07:30 AM
Hi Alex,
I tried to replicate your results but until now without any success. My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:
- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.
- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet
- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

Any tips on how to make the EPP work?
Kind Regards,
just a thought, i think the cylindrical tubes make a big difference. also the fact you have leakage around your plate cell may make a difference.  also the distance or gap of the cell will play a big roal. i could not get any results when my gap was big. only a small gap would work for me.  any how we will see what Alex has to say. but those are my thoughts.

~Russ

Alex Petty

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #10, on December 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM »Last edited on December 27th, 2011, 04:48 AM by alexander.petty@gmail.com
below are your questions answered in the order they were asked:

 - My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:

|alex petty| the amplitude of your BEMF is connected to the density (and i believe geometry as well) of the field that forms about your coil during pulse on. when the pulse switches off, the field collapses and you then see a high voltage spike. so, you want to produce a nice dense field. the higher the field density, the higher resulting BEMF voltage upon the field's collapse.  - |alex petty|

- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.

|alex petty| use a closed power system (ie. no wall power). stick to a simple stand alone dc power source (ie. a battery). when pulsing with my lab gear i see, just as you are seeing, (1) the effect on the water is greatly diminished and (2) the peak amplitude of the BEMF is greatly reduced. - |alex petty|

- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet

|alex petty| what do you mean by feeding your mosfet? remember that the source of charge is Vss (ie. the ground) - |alex petty|

- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

|alex petty|  the mosfet presents about a 32kOhms resistance to the BEMF it faces. Before adding the "protective diode", i could measure BEMF voltage on my 555's so I added another diode (ie. another ~32kOhms) which then fully isolated the HV side of the circuit from the waveform management side. - |alex petty|

- Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

|alex petty| yes. it does work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhP3XY8zwSA) but, i like the control of (1) zero leakage and (2) being able to measure rate of liquid displacement over time.  - |alex petty|

- Any tips on how to make the EPP work?

|alex petty| see above. - |alex petty|

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fredsilva

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #11, on December 29th, 2011, 02:20 AM »
Quote from Davecbwfc on December 11th, 2011, 12:25 PM
You should keep in mind that he is not using Stan's vic in this set up. L1 and L2 chokes are missing.


Alex, why were they not included?
Not necessary that it should be implemented in the same way as it is. They are doing something different and simple.

phdk

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #12, on January 9th, 2012, 12:54 PM »Last edited on January 9th, 2012, 12:55 PM by phdk
Quote from alexander.petty@gmail.com on December 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM
below are your questions answered in the order they were asked:

 - My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:

|alex petty| the amplitude of your BEMF is connected to the density (and i believe geometry as well) of the field that forms about your coil during pulse on. when the pulse switches off, the field collapses and you then see a high voltage spike. so, you want to produce a nice dense field. the higher the field density, the higher resulting BEMF voltage upon the field's collapse.  - |alex petty|

- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.

|alex petty| use a closed power system (ie. no wall power). stick to a simple stand alone dc power source (ie. a battery). when pulsing with my lab gear i see, just as you are seeing, (1) the effect on the water is greatly diminished and (2) the peak amplitude of the BEMF is greatly reduced. - |alex petty|

- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet

|alex petty| what do you mean by feeding your mosfet? remember that the source of charge is Vss (ie. the ground) - |alex petty|

- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

|alex petty|  the mosfet presents about a 32kOhms resistance to the BEMF it faces. Before adding the "protective diode", i could measure BEMF voltage on my 555's so I added another diode (ie. another ~32kOhms) which then fully isolated the HV side of the circuit from the waveform management side. - |alex petty|

- Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

|alex petty| yes. it does work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhP3XY8zwSA) but, i like the control of (1) zero leakage and (2) being able to measure rate of liquid displacement over time.  - |alex petty|

- Any tips on how to make the EPP work?

|alex petty| see above. - |alex petty|

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Hi, resonant WFC theory.
Not sure if you seen this vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM
phdk

~Russ

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #13, on January 9th, 2012, 11:15 PM »
Quote from phdk on January 9th, 2012, 12:54 PM
Quote from alexander.petty@gmail.com on December 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM
below are your questions answered in the order they were asked:

 - My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:

|alex petty| the amplitude of your BEMF is connected to the density (and i believe geometry as well) of the field that forms about your coil during pulse on. when the pulse switches off, the field collapses and you then see a high voltage spike. so, you want to produce a nice dense field. the higher the field density, the higher resulting BEMF voltage upon the field's collapse.  - |alex petty|

- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.

|alex petty| use a closed power system (ie. no wall power). stick to a simple stand alone dc power source (ie. a battery). when pulsing with my lab gear i see, just as you are seeing, (1) the effect on the water is greatly diminished and (2) the peak amplitude of the BEMF is greatly reduced. - |alex petty|

- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet

|alex petty| what do you mean by feeding your mosfet? remember that the source of charge is Vss (ie. the ground) - |alex petty|

- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

|alex petty|  the mosfet presents about a 32kOhms resistance to the BEMF it faces. Before adding the "protective diode", i could measure BEMF voltage on my 555's so I added another diode (ie. another ~32kOhms) which then fully isolated the HV side of the circuit from the waveform management side. - |alex petty|

- Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

|alex petty| yes. it does work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhP3XY8zwSA) but, i like the control of (1) zero leakage and (2) being able to measure rate of liquid displacement over time.  - |alex petty|

- Any tips on how to make the EPP work?

|alex petty| see above. - |alex petty|

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Hi, resonant WFC theory.
Not sure if you seen this vid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKjUzsNj8NM
phdk
make sure you read the comments on this video... some interesting conversations there. and also some change of thoughts. thanks! ~Russ

Matrix

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #14, on February 3rd, 2012, 08:57 AM »Last edited on February 3rd, 2012, 09:26 AM by Matrix
:huh:
just like sharky can't get right results

alex petty wfc pulsing circuit Mod

See my attachment.... no idea if it is ok.........

adys15

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #15, on February 3rd, 2012, 10:13 AM »
replicaton means that you get bursts of gas like stan not 2 bubles that can be optained with the battery and a rezistor alone...make a real replication then post it

Matrix

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #16, on February 3rd, 2012, 11:16 AM »
PCB has already been completed and tested several times, simulation just speed up debugging, replication still ......... by now .........understanding the process of the water capacitor

~Russ

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #17, on February 4th, 2012, 12:30 AM »
Quote from Matrix on February 3rd, 2012, 11:16 AM
PCB has already been completed and tested several times, simulation just speed up debugging, replication still ......... by now .........understanding the process of the water capacitor
hey MAtrix, also Remember that what we are dealing with some times will not show up in a simulator. so don't trust the sim too much.

any how, good work. ...

~Russ

Matrix

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #18, on February 4th, 2012, 01:08 AM »Last edited on February 4th, 2012, 01:11 AM by Matrix
Thank you for your contribution to the Meyer's technology.
Agree with you, so my WFC until now only small bubble.However, in my research I found that one more interesting things, radiant energy in the circuit?
RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #19, on February 4th, 2012, 01:08 AM »
Thank you for your contribution to the Meyer's technology.
Agree with you, so my WFC until now only small bubble.However, in my research I found that one more interesting things, radiation energy in the circuit?

pha3z

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #20, on March 7th, 2012, 01:13 PM »Last edited on March 7th, 2012, 01:16 PM by pha3z
Quote from Matrix on February 4th, 2012, 01:08 AM
Thank you for your contribution to the Meyer's technology.
Agree with you, so my WFC until now only small bubble.However, in my research I found that one more interesting things, radiation energy in the circuit?
Radient energy manifests when high transients that are primarily unidirectional in nature are utilized.  High Voltage unidirectional capacitor discharges are the easiest way to cause radient energy phenomena to manifest.

Since Stan Meyers circuit uses unidirectal pulses of high amplitude, yes radiant energy effects are likely to manifest.

I just now got on board with all this Meyers stuff in detail.  I read through all his material in detail yesterday and today.  From what I can tell, Meyers never lets on about radient energy or even double energy flow in circuits.  Either he didn't know of the existance of those phonemona or else he kept it to himself since he wanted to the technology to be able to be understood and accepted in modern thinking.

Replicators of Tesla-type OU devices, as well as Tesla researchers, usually claim that aetheric energy (which behaves like a positive particle) flows in opposition to electron flow.  This aetheric energy is supposed to be the real source of electricity.  Electricity is actually the consumption or resistance to this energy.

There is one thing that strikes me about Meyer's own documentation.  In his diagrams showing the way pulsing occurs in the VIC, he shows back-to-back pulses.  Since I have studied transients a lot, I want to point ot something to others here who might be unfamiliar with this.  Back-to-Back pulses have extremely sharp transients -- one falling and one rising in very brief moment of time.  These two transient periods are going to create a wave which is of extremely high frequency and dense energy.  This wave will be much higher frequency than the fundamental frequency of pulsing.  The fundamental frequency is really acting as a carrier.

There is an ambiguation in Meyer's documentation which bothers me.  He repeatedly claims that he is causing the water molecules to resonate but also utilizing circuit resonance.  I am no physicist but I do NOT believe that water molecules resonate in the Khz range.  I find that extremely bizarre.  I would expect water molecules to resonate in Mhz at least (and probably Ghz or Tetrahz) range.  Given that consideration, I will point out the fact that the transient energy between spikes is rich in high frequency harmonics and these harmonics could plausibly induce resonance at extremely higher frequencies than what the fundamental pulses are occuring at.

Now I am only making this theoretical explanation based on all the study I've done and also on the disbelief that water will actually resonate at such low frequencies as used in the VIC.  I could be entirely wrong.  I'm not even a WFC experimenter.  I'm a Tesla experimentor.  But if my theory is true, then its possible that higher gas yields could be obtained by capacitor discharges instead of BEMF coil collapsing.  BEMF Coil collapses won't happen any faster than the coil allows the collapse to occur.  Since capacitors can discharge their energy WAY faster than a coil, you will find much sharper transients with much denser energy explosions.  This would require circuit modification though, and might even turn out to be less productive since it could be harder to engineer.  But Tesla was a master at capacitor discharges.  Look at his patent for Electrical Igntiter - No 609,250.

Another possibility is that the low frequency is inducing a very high order harmonic resonance in the water molecule

Has anyone else got some kind of explanation for Meyer's ambiguation with such low frequency circuits supposedly inducing resonance of water molecule?  Does a water molecule really resonate at such low frequency?.

- Jim

adys15

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #21, on March 13th, 2012, 09:50 AM »Last edited on March 13th, 2012, 09:55 AM by adys15
Alex how do you find the resonance like you say you would if in the circuit there is not a single pot.?you varry the water in the cap? or what?
Alex how do you adjust the frequency to get resonance if there is not o single pot in the circuit?you varry the water in the cap or what?
Alex how do you find resonance if the is not a single pot in the circuit?you varry the water in the cap or what?
Quote from alexander.petty@gmail.com on December 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM
below are your questions answered in the order they were asked:

 - My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:

|alex petty| the amplitude of your BEMF is connected to the density (and i believe geometry as well) of the field that forms about your coil during pulse on. when the pulse switches off, the field collapses and you then see a high voltage spike. so, you want to produce a nice dense field. the higher the field density, the higher resulting BEMF voltage upon the field's collapse.  - |alex petty|

- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.

|alex petty| use a closed power system (ie. no wall power). stick to a simple stand alone dc power source (ie. a battery). when pulsing with my lab gear i see, just as you are seeing, (1) the effect on the water is greatly diminished and (2) the peak amplitude of the BEMF is greatly reduced. - |alex petty|

- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet

|alex petty| what do you mean by feeding your mosfet? remember that the source of charge is Vss (ie. the ground) - |alex petty|

- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

|alex petty|  the mosfet presents about a 32kOhms resistance to the BEMF it faces. Before adding the "protective diode", i could measure BEMF voltage on my 555's so I added another diode (ie. another ~32kOhms) which then fully isolated the HV side of the circuit from the waveform management side. - |alex petty|

- Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

|alex petty| yes. it does work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhP3XY8zwSA) but, i like the control of (1) zero leakage and (2) being able to measure rate of liquid displacement over time.  - |alex petty|

- Any tips on how to make the EPP work?

|alex petty| see above. - |alex petty|

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Alex how do you find resonance if the is not a single pot in the circuit?you varry the water in the cap or what?

~Russ

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #22, on March 14th, 2012, 06:13 AM »
Quote from adys15 on March 13th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Alex how do you find the resonance like you say you would if in the circuit there is not a single pot.?you varry the water in the cap? or what?

Alex how do you adjust the frequency to get resonance if there is not o single pot in the circuit?you varry the water in the cap or what?

Alex how do you find resonance if the is not a single pot in the circuit?you varry the water in the cap or what?
Quote from alexander.petty@gmail.com on December 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM
below are your questions answered in the order they were asked:

 - My L1 (400 mH, see image 2) and C1 (25.1 nF, see image 3) values are slightly different but that would only change the resonance frequency (calculated with my values at 1588Hz). I made some changes to the pulse circuit as well since i want to be able to change the pulse frequency:

|alex petty| the amplitude of your BEMF is connected to the density (and i believe geometry as well) of the field that forms about your coil during pulse on. when the pulse switches off, the field collapses and you then see a high voltage spike. so, you want to produce a nice dense field. the higher the field density, the higher resulting BEMF voltage upon the field's collapse.  - |alex petty|

- i replaced your first NE555 with my BitScope wave form generator.

|alex petty| use a closed power system (ie. no wall power). stick to a simple stand alone dc power source (ie. a battery). when pulsing with my lab gear i see, just as you are seeing, (1) the effect on the water is greatly diminished and (2) the peak amplitude of the BEMF is greatly reduced. - |alex petty|

- i use a 7408 AND gate and a 100 ohm resistor to feed my mosfet

|alex petty| what do you mean by feeding your mosfet? remember that the source of charge is Vss (ie. the ground) - |alex petty|

- i left the protecting diode before the mosfet out since it should not be necesarry
These changes result in the pulse train from the first attached image, measuring with my scope i found resonance at 1560 Hz (see image 4). However there are 0 amps drawn from my 12V car battery attached, which is a good result in itself :) but there is also 0 production of gas. I tried a lot of different pulse frequencies but the highest voltage i could achieve at resonance was 155V as you can see from the scope shot.

|alex petty|  the mosfet presents about a 32kOhms resistance to the BEMF it faces. Before adding the "protective diode", i could measure BEMF voltage on my 555's so I added another diode (ie. another ~32kOhms) which then fully isolated the HV side of the circuit from the waveform management side. - |alex petty|

- Can you reproduce your result when the water capacitor is entirely under water as well?

|alex petty| yes. it does work (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhP3XY8zwSA) but, i like the control of (1) zero leakage and (2) being able to measure rate of liquid displacement over time.  - |alex petty|

- Any tips on how to make the EPP work?

|alex petty| see above. - |alex petty|

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Alex how do you find resonance if the is not a single pot in the circuit?you varry the water in the cap or what?
Change the cap in the 555 timer circuit, this is where he was tuning...thanks, ~ Russ

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Dan Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #23, on March 15th, 2012, 11:38 PM »Last edited on March 15th, 2012, 11:56 PM by securesupplies
Hi I am posting this from You tube
I would be interested in you comment Russ and Alex.
Dan danieldonatelli@hotmail.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-x3PVi8wF0[/url]

what are the inductance of each coil? i try to replicate.

Jusubbi1 3 months ago
@Jusubbi1 L1 = 1263mH and L2 = 1138mH...I have the coils & resonant cavity measurements on my website GlobalKast(dot)com in the "Documentation" section located at the bottom of the page under my name.
TonyWoodside 2 months ago
What happens is theres a parallel resonance that will occur between the L1 & L2 chokes and this will cause a high impedance to current flow while increasing the magnetic field. I learned this while testing the 8XA circuit. You have a series resonance between the L1 and Cell and then a parallel resonance between L1 & L2 coils.

TonyWoodside 6 months ago

2.5khz is just the frequency the LC circuit resonants at...Its also the same frequency that Stan says it should be.

TonyWoodside 6 months ago

How many turns of each coil has in your transformer and how much is your cell capacitance?

-Jusubbi
Jusubbi1 6 months ago

Tony, the resonance between L1 and L2 you should mention it to the distributed capabilities of the turns of the windings?
danielgpalacios 6 months ago
Tony, please excuse my questions if it seems ignorant. I have not built a VIC transformer before. Would the use of Tesla's bifilar coil method on any of the coils on the transformer core be beneficial at magnifying the magnetic field while keeping the induced current low with the blocking diode?
 
Secondly, is the feedback coil with the 5V excitation ALSO utilized as a flux clamping coil on that side of the diode? Does the diode and capacitor create a flux clamping effect reducing current?
 ImJacksAmygdala 6 months ago

2.5khz is just the frequency the LC circuit resonants at...Its also the same frequency that Stan says it should be.
TonyWoodside 6 months ago

~Russ

RE: Dan Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #24, on March 16th, 2012, 03:37 AM »
Quote from securesupplies on March 15th, 2012, 11:38 PM
Hi I am posting this from You tube
I would be interested in you comment Russ and Alex.
Dan danieldonatelli@hotmail.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-x3PVi8wF0[/url]

what are the inductance of each coil? i try to replicate.

Jusubbi1 3 months ago
@Jusubbi1 L1 = 1263mH and L2 = 1138mH...I have the coils & resonant cavity measurements on my website GlobalKast(dot)com in the "Documentation" section located at the bottom of the page under my name.
TonyWoodside 2 months ago
What happens is theres a parallel resonance that will occur between the L1 & L2 chokes and this will cause a high impedance to current flow while increasing the magnetic field. I learned this while testing the 8XA circuit. You have a series resonance between the L1 and Cell and then a parallel resonance between L1 & L2 coils.

TonyWoodside 6 months ago

2.5khz is just the frequency the LC circuit resonants at...Its also the same frequency that Stan says it should be.

TonyWoodside 6 months ago

How many turns of each coil has in your transformer and how much is your cell capacitance?

-Jusubbi
Jusubbi1 6 months ago

Tony, the resonance between L1 and L2 you should mention it to the distributed capabilities of the turns of the windings?
danielgpalacios 6 months ago
Tony, please excuse my questions if it seems ignorant. I have not built a VIC transformer before. Would the use of Tesla's bifilar coil method on any of the coils on the transformer core be beneficial at magnifying the magnetic field while keeping the induced current low with the blocking diode?
 
Secondly, is the feedback coil with the 5V excitation ALSO utilized as a flux clamping coil on that side of the diode? Does the diode and capacitor create a flux clamping effect reducing current?
 ImJacksAmygdala 6 months ago

2.5khz is just the frequency the LC circuit resonants at...Its also the same frequency that Stan says it should be.
TonyWoodside 6 months ago
well... i haven't the much to say... im still testing, but here you can see all the VIC info,

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=170&pid=3580#pid3580

still working on the core and circuit... once its done, we will be off to answer some of these questions.

also read this:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=311&pid=3147#pid3147

thanks, ~Russ