Electrical Polarization Process

Davecbwfc

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #75, on June 14th, 2012, 11:53 AM »Last edited on June 14th, 2012, 11:55 AM by Davecbwfc
Quote from Ravenous Emu on June 14th, 2012, 10:20 AM
Quote from Sharky on June 13th, 2012, 12:42 AM
A coil is capable of storing energy through its magnetic field while a resistor will disipate the energy through heat....So the capacitor also stores energy but that is through an electric field instead of magnetic field.

Keep reading, learning and asking, ... we need as much brillant minds in here as posible ...
I'm just gonna throw ideas at you guys. :D
Well, lets just say you used the resistor instead of the Inductor...
What if you used it to heat the water? Kinda like using an electric stove to boil water. (by the way, I know that stan had a "steam resonator"... but I'm not concerned about that yet.)

I do know, that in an RC Circuit, the amount of resistance determines how fast the capacitor charges.  

This is a website I've found a long time ago.  It helps explain "DC Resonant Charging".  http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html#resonant

Which, essentially, verifies every thing you said. :D
If you use a resistor, your using power. Inductive reactance and parralel resonance do not consume power in the form of heat which is why they are used.

Ravenous Emu

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #76, on June 14th, 2012, 08:19 PM »Last edited on June 14th, 2012, 08:49 PM by Ravenous Emu
Well, I'm back to the books...
(Again, my head is gonna explode from Information Overload. :D:P)

Sharky:
[So the coil stores energy during pulses and releases the energy to the (water)capacitor during pulse off time, since the blocking diode is there it will create a step charging effect because the energy being inputted has only one way to go and that is to the capacitor. So the capacitor also stores energy but that is through an electric field instead of magnetic field.]

I'm no Electrical Engineer, but I'm doing my best to understand the electronics.
So, this "step charging" is when the 50% duty cycle is ended... Because, with the diode, you get that second pulse as the inductor "releases" it's stored energy. (is this correct?)

What  I did notice in that article I linked to was that...
First:
"The inductance of the charging reactor has controlled the rate at which our tank capacitor charged from the DC supply in a similar way to charging through a series resistor. However the inductor stores and releases energy that the series resistor wastes as heat. Where the resistive charging circuit is only 50% efficient due to power dissipation in the early part of the charging cycle, the inductive charging circuit stores this energy and uses it to charge the capacitor to twice the voltage. Current limiting and voltage doubling at the same time !
It is also highly desirable that the charging current falls to zero around the time that the spark gap is meant to fire. This greatly reduces the likelihood of power arcing or "trailing arcs" in the rotary spark gap due to a high DC current."

Second:
"[The Diode] However... prevents the inductor current from changing direction and halts the resonant process when the capacitor is at twice the supply voltage."

Basically, what I've gathered from this info is that...
1) As the Inductor's Magnetic Field collapses, it...
2) Forces the current into the Capacitor, which...
3) Charges the Capacitor to a higher voltage and decreases the current it sees, because...
4) When the magnetic field collapses... you've used up all the available energy in the magnetic field.


andy

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #77, on June 15th, 2012, 02:07 AM »
Hi to all.
On the RWG research 10 month ago was thread " Some science added to the work of Stanley Meyer"  and now not exist. In this thread h2opower wrote ansver about why all replica of vic not worked. ( alternate power swich not in use!). Maybe some of you have saved this thread on your hard disc and can share it ?
thank for ansver
sorry for english
andy

Gunther Rattay

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #78, on June 15th, 2012, 04:03 PM »Last edited on June 15th, 2012, 04:09 PM by bussi04
Quote from andy on June 15th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Hi to all.
On the RWG research 10 month ago was thread " Some science added to the work of Stanley Meyer"  and now not exist. In this thread h2opower wrote ansver about why all replica of vic not worked. ( alternate power swich not in use!). Maybe some of you have saved this thread on your hard disc and can share it ?
thank for ansver
sorry for english
andy
h2opower is no longer a member of this forum. He left the forum because his company http://www.truegreensolutions.net was not welcome by the forum group and he didn´t get any support for his company to bring out this technology.

you can follow the discussion at http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=242&pid=2138#pid2138 .

the information you are looking for you can find at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

enjoy![/quote]

andy

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #79, on June 16th, 2012, 01:52 PM »
Quote from bussi04 on June 15th, 2012, 04:03 PM
Quote from andy on June 15th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Hi to all.
On the RWG research 10 month ago was thread " Some science added to the work of Stanley Meyer"  and now not exist. In this thread h2opower wrote ansver about why all replica of vic not worked. ( alternate power swich not in use!). Maybe some of you have saved this thread on your hard disc and can share it ?
thank for ansver
sorry for english
andy
h2opower is no longer a member of this forum. He left the forum because his company http://www.truegreensolutions.net was not welcome by the forum group and he didn´t get any support for his company to bring out this technology.

you can follow the discussion at http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=242&pid=2138#pid2138 .

the information you are looking for you can find at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

enjoy!
Bussi04
Thank you for ansver and info. I see , you are active user of the hereticalbuilders's forum. Can you help me in registration to this forum?
I was tried to register two time , and send e-mails to administrator - no luck.
It's wery interesing forum - alot of the info is there.
thank for ansver
andy


Gunther Rattay

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #80, on June 16th, 2012, 11:00 PM »
Quote from andy on June 16th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Quote from bussi04 on June 15th, 2012, 04:03 PM
Quote from andy on June 15th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Hi to all.
On the RWG research 10 month ago was thread " Some science added to the work of Stanley Meyer"  and now not exist. In this thread h2opower wrote ansver about why all replica of vic not worked. ( alternate power swich not in use!). Maybe some of you have saved this thread on your hard disc and can share it ?
thank for ansver
sorry for english
andy
h2opower is no longer a member of this forum. He left the forum because his company http://www.truegreensolutions.net was not welcome by the forum group and he didn´t get any support for his company to bring out this technology.

you can follow the discussion at http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=242&pid=2138#pid2138 .

the information you are looking for you can find at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

enjoy!
Bussi04
Thank you for ansver and info. I see , you are active user of the hereticalbuilders's forum. Can you help me in registration to this forum?
I was tried to register two time , and send e-mails to administrator - no luck.
It's wery interesing forum - alot of the info is there.
thank for ansver
andy
Done!

andy

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #81, on June 16th, 2012, 11:21 PM »Last edited on June 16th, 2012, 11:25 PM by andy
Bussi04
I want register to heretical builders forum. Is it possible?
Don't understand your ansver.
andy
Bussi04
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Don't understand your ansver.
andy
Quote from bussi04 on June 16th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Quote from andy on June 16th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Quote from bussi04 on June 15th, 2012, 04:03 PM
Quote from andy on June 15th, 2012, 02:07 AM
Hi to all.
On the RWG research 10 month ago was thread " Some science added to the work of Stanley Meyer"  and now not exist. In this thread h2opower wrote ansver about why all replica of vic not worked. ( alternate power swich not in use!). Maybe some of you have saved this thread on your hard disc and can share it ?
thank for ansver
sorry for english
andy
h2opower is no longer a member of this forum. He left the forum because his company http://www.truegreensolutions.net was not welcome by the forum group and he didn´t get any support for his company to bring out this technology.

you can follow the discussion at http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=242&pid=2138#pid2138 .

the information you are looking for you can find at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

enjoy!
Bussi04
Thank you for ansver and info. I see , you are active user of the hereticalbuilders's forum. Can you help me in registration to this forum?
I was tried to register two time , and send e-mails to administrator - no luck.
It's wery interesing forum - alot of the info is there.
thank for ansver
andy
Done!
Bussi04
I want register to heretical builders forum. Is it possible?
Don't understand your ansver.
andy

Quantum

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #82, on June 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on June 15th, 2012, 04:03 PM
the information you are looking for you can find at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174
I would suggest to read this forum too because it has an interesting discussion about making a fuel mixture from air and water, getting ammonia (NH3) and nitrous oxide (N2O) which are very reactive.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5247-ionization-water-fuel.html


"Mixtures of ammonia and air burn very slowly and
in many situations are considered to be nonflammable, but mixtures of NH3 and N2O appear to react much more rapidly. The reaction mechanism of NH3 and N2O is particularly uncertain. "
http://www2.galcit.caltech.edu/EDL/publications/reprints/flimits.pdf



Gunther Rattay

Nitrogen obfuscation doesn´t fit into Stan Meyer´s technology
« Reply #83, on June 18th, 2012, 01:45 AM »Last edited on June 18th, 2012, 01:59 AM by bussi04
Quote from Quantum on June 17th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Quote from bussi04 on June 15th, 2012, 04:03 PM
the information you are looking for you can find at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174
I would suggest to read this forum too because it has an interesting discussion about making a fuel mixture from air and water, getting ammonia (NH3) and nitrous oxide (N2O) which are very reactive.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5247-ionization-water-fuel.html


"Mixtures of ammonia and air burn very slowly and
in many situations are considered to be nonflammable, but mixtures of NH3 and N2O appear to react much more rapidly. The reaction mechanism of NH3 and N2O is particularly uncertain. "
http://www2.galcit.caltech.edu/EDL/publications/reprints/flimits.pdf
Quantum,

the Nitrogen discussion at energeticforum from years ago  I was involved in was an obscuring dead end discussion! it was risen by the forum owners to down the well doing Stan Meyer thread there. And they succeeded!

so it makes no sense to go the Nitrogen way in this forum. Stop! Wrong way!

To check the numbers please look at h2opower´s easy to follow calculations at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=1633&postcount=57 .


Quote from andy on June 16th, 2012, 11:21 PM
Bussi04
I want register to heretical builders forum. Is it possible?
Don't understand your ansver.
andy
I sent you a Private Message how to go on. Did you receive it?

Please use further PM to get that straight.

No need to fill this thread with administrative stuff :-)



Quantum

RE: Nitrogen obfuscation doesn´t fit into Stan Meyer´s technology
« Reply #84, on June 19th, 2012, 05:28 AM »
Quote from bussi04 on June 18th, 2012, 01:45 AM
Quantum,

the Nitrogen discussion at energeticforum from years ago  I was involved in was an obscuring dead end discussion! it was risen by the forum owners to down the well doing Stan Meyer thread there. And they succeeded!

so it makes no sense to go the Nitrogen way in this forum. Stop! Wrong way!

To check the numbers please look at h2opower´s easy to follow calculations at http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=1633&postcount=57 .
Ok thx for warning. Just trying to see all the possibilities. I'm following water for fuel development since 2006 and but only this year have started to build something starting with Air Ionizer (positive corona discharge in a tube that is GND, steel middle wire is positive, non-thermal plasma from flyback and UV and RED Power LED's that effect mostly Oxygen electrons but also Nitrogen in order to behave as electron collector slowing down the burning in the chamber?), Gas Processor ( negative voltage on outer tube and insulated middle wire GND) to polarize negatively the 100°C acidic water vapor or rain water.

So as I understand the gas processor will react on water clusters and pull out the positive ones to the negative not insulated tube including the stripped off H+ atoms and by giving them electron, atomic hydrogen H will form emitting photons and also negatively charged water clusters will form. When two H meet they will form H2. There will be also in the mix OH-, and negatively charged water clusters.

These will be mixed with air, coming out from the air processor. The opposite polarity particles will attract each other and the positive O and N will wait for an amount of time before they collect their electrons. The cooled exhaust gases will be mixed also. In the engine this will be pressurized and exposed to high temperature from the previous cycle This could make some reactions and forming some other molecules. The plasma of the spark will dissociate some the H2 molecule into H and the positive nitrogen and oxygen will start to collect its electrons. The electrons will be collected from OH- and negatively charged water clusters and this will dissociate them into its elements what will be burned. Because there is a lot of nitrogen in there, by collecting its electrons it delays the formation of the water molecule by slowing down the explosion. I believe the engine will use the energy when the water steam expands too, like a steam engine.

So is this the right way? :huh:
This makes any sense?

I have a small 4 cycle engine on what i will be testing.
After if this fails I will mix in to the system some HHO too.

adys15

RE: Electrical Polarization Process
« Reply #85, on November 12th, 2012, 01:33 PM »
Anyone managed to replicate Alex's circuit with  the 9v batery?i did not.