Water spark plug replication.

~Russ

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #50, on April 15th, 2012, 09:49 AM »Last edited on April 15th, 2012, 09:53 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
here are some examples ca can talk about  defiantly look at the patent attached in the Meyer section... would be easy to make.

1:
Stan Meyer
Water Fuel Injector System
[attachment=1219]
[attachment=1220]
[attachment=1221]
[attachment=1222]

2:
Andrija Puharich, 1983 Patent:
[attachment=1223]
[attachment=1224]

Water Injector, Method and Apparatus for Slitting Water Molecules.

3:
Herman P. Anderson
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Herman P. Anderson's is interesting as its suppose to create a vortex as it fires and from my nonage... the vortex is powerful! and also a plasma cutter also dose this...

ok, these are some things we can look at to see what we can make and fit out application...

i have more diagrams and info i will dig out of the patents...
do look over the attached patents.

also,
the "tapered voltage waveguide" stan talks about i think those deigns are after the attached patent by stan...

hope this helps with some visuals...

securesupplies, thanks for dinging that out of the video... there are more that may also be good to post...

thanks! ~Russ

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #51, on April 15th, 2012, 09:56 AM »
PS all Photo I posted  of the

plug with adaptors are from STan

which is exciting we just need to machine the adaptors now

, I was thinking that if the is a water cavity we need to have a
one way vale that stop pressure blow back that screw into the
inject at the line in.

very easy to machine 98 % immediately

Daniel

xXHellRaiser666Xx

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #52, on April 15th, 2012, 11:32 AM »
Stan's injector had a check valve inside of it.

~Russ

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #53, on April 15th, 2012, 11:51 AM »
Quote from xXHellRaiser666Xx on April 15th, 2012, 11:32 AM
Stan's injector had a check valve inside of it.
Yes, you can see that in the drawings. Al's also, I it did not the presure from the engen would push back and It would not work.

:)

~Russ

Ps, all keep I mined that this is a "wave guide" and must be tuned some what...

Or it's a "voltage wave guide" and it's just a fancy way of saying its a guide for the voltage to travel and really has nothing to do with a "resonant cavity"  ??? Thoughts?  


securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #54, on April 15th, 2012, 01:14 PM »Last edited on April 15th, 2012, 01:23 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 15th, 2012, 11:51 AM
Quote from xXHellRaiser666Xx on April 15th, 2012, 11:32 AM
Stan's injector had a check valve inside of it.
Yes, you can see that in the drawings. Al's also, I it did not the presure from the engen would push back and It would not work.

:)

~Russ

Ps, all keep I mined that this is a "wave guide" and must be tuned some what...

Or it's a "voltage wave guide" and it's just a fancy way of saying its a guide for the voltage to travel and really has nothing to do with a "resonant cavity"  ??? Thoughts?
Kinda like a high voltage  wave guide?
or a spark plug?

I really don't think it is too majical here,

if we start with the machined parts to match the flame ignitor and gas h2 intakes
we are 90 % there. than we can fine tune the tip.
but really the majic is in the gas balance and mix prior to inject
ps it simplifies alot of items if kiss method



 



Quote from securesupplies on April 13th, 2012, 11:20 AM
Quote from securesupplies on March 20th, 2012, 08:25 AM
Now that is awesome

who is  going to be first to adapt that baby
PS Part number is

Auburn I-10-25
Ignitor Flame Rod Liquid Level Electrode

ps check this last post ,

telsa ignitor
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=188&pid=3699#pid3699


note the part number every one,


better buy and post any sources part numbers you find

and attached

Daniel
BINGO

CHECK THIS PIC OUT  DOES NOT GET MUCH CLEARER THAN THIS

FLAME IGNITOR

Ps this pic from stan

daniel

scot

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #55, on April 15th, 2012, 06:03 PM »
This may sound silly but why do you think those injector bodies are so long?

~Russ

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #56, on April 15th, 2012, 06:17 PM »
Quote from scot on April 15th, 2012, 06:03 PM
This may sound silly but why do you think those injector bodies are so long?
I think the tips are longer than we think and also, how can you get the water in the injecter of its hitthing all the other engine parts? Just a defrent thought?

Also heat exchanger? If we are using plasma to an extent it may get hot?

And last thought. Eazy to make??? It's not so compact?

Just some thoughts. Others may have better answers?

Other than that, what did you think about these designs?

~Russ

Jeff Nading

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #57, on April 15th, 2012, 06:25 PM »Last edited on April 15th, 2012, 06:27 PM by Jeff Nading
Hi, Scot, just a thought, J-B Weld is good for 600 degrees F, didn't know if this could be used for the sparkplug or not,  also I have some igniter's and fuel injector's I'll take some photo's of and post them, to see if they would be of any use to you, thanks, Jeff.

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #58, on April 15th, 2012, 10:56 PM »Last edited on April 16th, 2012, 01:20 PM by securesupplies
Quote from scot on April 15th, 2012, 06:03 PM
This may sound silly but why do you think those injector bodies are so long?
HI

Recently I saw a New Spark PLug Invention variation , which in its self is hard to

believe, I think it was called the green Spark plug made in Australian, it was on new inventors program ABC on knowledge channel or something.

Basically the guy totaly sealed the spark plug end of a standard spark plug,
to totally enclose the tip then he drilled 4 opposite small holes in it
to allow spark /flame to burst out.

The concept is on the up stroke the vapor goes in side the plug small holes and ignites in side, making ressure this then makes 4 fierce little flames come out,
when ignite the rest of fuel much better ,

 funnist thing is it works!

he show it to ford toyota etc and they could n't believe after 200 years nobody thought of it.

 My guess is stans work similar the holes allow vapor in andthen flames
come out like a after burner,

 you don't nesseccarily have to have vapor air going into via back of plug, you could inject close to plug on a injector rail and than on th up stroke it would enter plug and than same ignite effect this is what made me discover the term

it is funny how they use on aircrat but not cars very interesting how lack of mind co operations created a technology gap.

Better get cracking boys we can deploy this info immediately
is there  a machinst amounst us who can machine and make the

dimensions for the screm on part to fit the flame ignitor off the shelf?

 tip with  the ceramic , ss steel with holes may work as tip
in this  format at end caps. check pictures

Daniel

 
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 15th, 2012, 09:49 AM
here are some examples ca can talk about  defiantly look at the patent attached in the Meyer section... would be easy to make.

1:
Stan Meyer
Water Fuel Injector System





2:
Andrija Puharich, 1983 Patent:



Water Injector, Method and Apparatus for Slitting Water Molecules.

3:
Herman P. Anderson






Herman P. Anderson's is interesting as its suppose to create a vortex as it fires and from my nonage... the vortex is powerful! and also a plasma cutter also dose this...

ok, these are some things we can look at to see what we can make and fit out application...

i have more diagrams and info i will dig out of the patents...
do look over the attached patents.

also,
the "tapered voltage waveguide" stan talks about i think those deigns are after the attached patent by stan...

hope this helps with some visuals...

securesupplies, thanks for dinging that out of the video... there are more that may also be good to post...

thanks! ~Russ
NOTE
what is important to note  is even in Hermans Deisgn there is a Flame ignitor used as the base part ,  better get some of these guys ,

Please post pricing and source for everyone to order and start on it.

please see my other not below abount vortex and or mixing gases inside the injector tip to make flame front.
Dan
 

Jeff Nading

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #59, on April 16th, 2012, 05:39 AM »Last edited on April 16th, 2012, 06:01 AM by Jeff Nading
Quote from securesupplies on April 15th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Quote from scot on April 15th, 2012, 06:03 PM
This may sound silly but why do you think those injector bodies are so long?
HI

Recently I saw a New Spark PLug Invention variation , which in its self is hard to

believe, I think it was called the green Spark plug made in Australian, it was on new inventors program ABC on knowledge channel or something.

Basically the guy totaly sealed the spark plug end of a standard spark plug,
to totally enclose the tip then he drilled 4 opposite small holes in it
to allow spark /flame to burst out.

The concept is on the up stroke the vapor goes in side the plug small holes and ignites in side, making ressure this then makes 4 fierce little flames come out,
when ignite the rest of fuel much better ,

 funnist thing is it works!

he show it to ford toyota etc and they could n't believe after 200 years nobody thought of it.

 My guess is stans work similar the holes allow vapor in andthen flames
come out like a after burner,

 you don't nesseccarily have to have vapor air going into via back of plug, you could inject close to plug on a injector rail and than on th up stroke it would enter plug and than same ignite effect this is what made me discover the term

it is funny how they use on aircrat but not cars very interesting how lack of mind co operations created a technology gap.

Better get cracking boys we can deploy this info immediately
is there  a machinst amounst us who can machine and make the

dimensions for the screm on part to fit the flame ignitor off the shelf?

 tip with  the ceramic , ss steel with holes may work as tip
in this  format at end caps. check pictures

Daniel

 
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 15th, 2012, 09:49 AM
here are some examples ca can talk about  defiantly look at the patent attached in the Meyer section... would be easy to make.

1:
Stan Meyer
Water Fuel Injector System





2:
Andrija Puharich, 1983 Patent:



Water Injector, Method and Apparatus for Slitting Water Molecules.

3:
Herman P. Anderson






Herman P. Anderson's is interesting as its suppose to create a vortex as it fires and from my nonage... the vortex is powerful! and also a plasma cutter also dose this...

ok, these are some things we can look at to see what we can make and fit out application...

i have more diagrams and info i will dig out of the patents...
do look over the attached patents.

also,
the "tapered voltage waveguide" stan talks about i think those deigns are after the attached patent by stan...

hope this helps with some visuals...

securesupplies, thanks for dinging that out of the video... there are more that may also be good to post...

thanks! ~Russ
NOTE
what is important to note  is even in Hermans Deisgn there is a Flame ignitor used as the base part ,  better get some of these guys ,

Please post pricing and source for everyone to order and start on it.

please see my other not below abount vortex and or mixing gases inside the injector tip to make flame front.
Dan
Dan, Scot is working on this, in the threads just above this one and yours. He's talking with Russ.

~Russ

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #60, on April 16th, 2012, 07:47 AM »
Quote
Please post pricing and source for everyone to order and start on it.

please see my other not below abount vortex and or mixing gases inside the injector tip to make flame front.
Dan
Quote
Dan, Scot is working on this, in the threads just above this one and yours. He's talking with Russ.
Dan, yes. Good thoughts, I think everything is going to be custom. But we will post that kinda info!

Scot is going to build somthing. We are just trying do open our thoughts to everyone! Good stuff!

Most inportant you are recording all info so it can be replicated!  

Thanks all! ~Russ

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #61, on April 16th, 2012, 01:14 PM »Last edited on April 16th, 2012, 01:24 PM by securesupplies
OK So I got upset today and re did info so it is even more easy to put together

have a look at this  picture and circulate, I am not sure who did old injector face
picture but I believe this one is very easy to understand for those of use who have been looking closely at this for years now .

time to make these on mass so post
designs spec please  start from auburn tread size  so we can machine them up .

Daniel
Quote from Jeff Nading on April 16th, 2012, 05:39 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 15th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Quote from scot on April 15th, 2012, 06:03 PM
This may sound silly but why do you think those injector bodies are so long?
HI

Recently I saw a New Spark PLug Invention variation , which in its self is hard to

believe, I think it was called the green Spark plug made in Australian, it was on new inventors program ABC on knowledge channel or something.

Basically the guy totaly sealed the spark plug end of a standard spark plug,
to totally enclose the tip then he drilled 4 opposite small holes in it
to allow spark /flame to burst out.

The concept is on the up stroke the vapor goes in side the plug small holes and ignites in side, making ressure this then makes 4 fierce little flames come out,
when ignite the rest of fuel much better ,

 funnist thing is it works!

he show it to ford toyota etc and they could n't believe after 200 years nobody thought of it.

 My guess is stans work similar the holes allow vapor in andthen flames
come out like a after burner,

 you don't nesseccarily have to have vapor air going into via back of plug, you could inject close to plug on a injector rail and than on th up stroke it would enter plug and than same ignite effect this is what made me discover the term

it is funny how they use on aircrat but not cars very interesting how lack of mind co operations created a technology gap.

Better get cracking boys we can deploy this info immediately
is there  a machinst amounst us who can machine and make the

dimensions for the screm on part to fit the flame ignitor off the shelf?

 tip with  the ceramic , ss steel with holes may work as tip
in this  format at end caps. check pictures

Daniel

 
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 15th, 2012, 09:49 AM
here are some examples ca can talk about  defiantly look at the patent attached in the Meyer section... would be easy to make.

1:
Stan Meyer
Water Fuel Injector System





2:
Andrija Puharich, 1983 Patent:



Water Injector, Method and Apparatus for Slitting Water Molecules.

3:
Herman P. Anderson






Herman P. Anderson's is interesting as its suppose to create a vortex as it fires and from my nonage... the vortex is powerful! and also a plasma cutter also dose this...

ok, these are some things we can look at to see what we can make and fit out application...

i have more diagrams and info i will dig out of the patents...
do look over the attached patents.

also,
the "tapered voltage waveguide" stan talks about i think those deigns are after the attached patent by stan...

hope this helps with some visuals...

securesupplies, thanks for dinging that out of the video... there are more that may also be good to post...

thanks! ~Russ
NOTE
what is important to note  is even in Hermans Deisgn there is a Flame ignitor used as the base part ,  better get some of these guys ,

Please post pricing and source for everyone to order and start on it.

please see my other not below abount vortex and or mixing gases inside the injector tip to make flame front.
Dan
Dan, Scot is working on this, in the threads just above this one and yours. He's talking with Russ.
ok please check out the attached those of you looking at this for years now will see what I have done

time to get some design drawing done and posted so we can take to machine shops
start from auburn flame ignitor thread size


Daniel

OK  I have made this picture

THis should help those of you looking at this for more than a few years now

it is hard work to keep thing simple but this is my effort ,

please make some design drawing from auburn flame ignitor thread measurment
to start with . I believe this rework infor will help alot in the understanding of how simple it iis now.

Daniel

Jeff Nading

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #62, on April 16th, 2012, 02:07 PM »
Ok Scot, I found these in some of the junk I have, still looking for the injectors, can you use them?

scot

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #63, on April 16th, 2012, 02:43 PM »
Hi Dan,
Honda used that very same idea in the 1970s cvcc engines the plug sat in a little chamber about the size of a thimble.
 I can machine that stuff i think no problem don't need to buy an igniter.
Thanks, Scot

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #64, on April 17th, 2012, 11:29 AM »
Quote from fastimports3 on October 2nd, 2011, 01:19 PM
My user name on youtube is fastimports3. I could use a commentator I don't like cameras much that's why the vids r kinda lame they all show importance but boring and confusing unless you see the relativity to the next video. Here is video of Telsa coil driving a WFC needed more work but the coil fried a couple 500v 55amp mosfets doing it. So I haven't tried again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-xoRK2SP8
Quote from H2oplasmaplug on September 30th, 2011, 09:40 AM
Someone was telling me about a secluded transformer I can't remember the name of it maybe someone knows what I am talkin about. Maybe it's called a flyback transformer. What is the currant draw on your neon transformer. I hope others would be willing to replace parts that you would burn our. Also make sure to use a steamer the water droplets have to be extremely small. Also use rain water or distilled. They will both have less impurities. Meyers said you can use rain water. I had a tube cell at one time and I tested every water I could get my hands on and it seemed that distilled and rain water drew almost the exact same currant. If there are less impurities you will have less of a shorting out effect.

As for the video if you would like I can be a commentator on it. Or if you could write on the screen what your doing. What is your YouTube user name.

Thank you for offerIng to help with the expariment.
Matt

I have both Tesla coil and neon transformer and would do experiments and post provided if experiment roast parts of coil people would help replace the parts. And provided I don't have to be in or talk on the vids. :s
FI3
Attached

~Russ

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #65, on April 18th, 2012, 01:35 AM »Last edited on April 18th, 2012, 01:50 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
and the show must go on!

so, here are my concerns and thoughts.

 the contents being injected can be all in one mix or mixed in the injector its self.

of coarse i would say mix first...

in injector mix:
[attachment=1255]

pree mix:
[attachment=1256]

types of injector heads... :
[attachment=1258]

what each will do:
[attachment=1257]

calculating the capacitance of the cavity:
Note. see WFC 420 pages 7-8 and 7-9:
[attachment=1261]

whats the most basic injector we could build???
Note! you must understand what the word " Quenching " means in Stan's words... and there is more than one way he uses it.

[attachment=1259]

how do we control the gasses going in?

look at the pulse gate valve... that's a normal type injector used the same way it would be...

[attachment=1265]

well...

that's just some of the basic info. there is a lot more but over all that's what we are looking for?

the basics of what to and how...

There is a lot of diagrams that state " water mist" and we also have meter mixing of gasses both ionized and exhaust gases... now look here:

" * laser primed"

[attachment=1262]

whats this all about you say???

it all leads back to the Gas Gun. again the most important part of stan's system.

here is a diagram of the gas gun and it is the injector but in a tiny package...


[attachment=1263]

now what in interesting is the statement of " nuclei decay" haha yeah... what the heck!

here look again:

[attachment=1264]

i'm basically bringing all this in to your prospective to show that its not all just water and bang!

there is things that need to happen in the process.

here is a thought to what happens aver a millisecond or so of time inside of the injector as we get higher and higher amplitude...

[attachment=1260]

you can see there are stages that must happen to get the result we are looking for!!! :)

one must really know all the steps that stan's was taking to get to the injector... hence why we need to crawl before we walk. if you dont know how to use your knees and hands your going to smash your face a lot harder against the floor! lol

also.... injected is water steam in my opinion. that's also apart of what the "steam resonator " dose... ??? so it would be easy to mix ionized gasses,steam, ECT to the mix in a mixing manifold before we inject it in to the injector...

see here :

[attachment=1266]

do we just need water/steam in to the injector if we can inject the ionized gasses and non-combustible gasses in to the buttery valve???

OK enough for now ! I'm out of time!

God Bless!

~Russ

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #66, on April 18th, 2012, 06:37 AM »Last edited on April 18th, 2012, 06:50 AM by securesupplies

PLease check this link

Better Do it  Link Technology is here

Daniel
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 18th, 2012, 01:35 AM
and the show must go on!

so, here are my concerns and thoughts.

 the contents being injected can be all in one mix or mixed in the injector its self.

of coarse i would say mix first...

in injector mix:


pree mix:


types of injector heads... :


what each will do:


calculating the capacitance of the cavity:
Note. see WFC 420 pages 7-8 and 7-9:


whats the most basic injector we could build???
Note! you must understand what the word " Quenching " means in Stan's words... and there is more than one way he uses it.



how do we control the gasses going in?

look at the pulse gate valve... that's a normal type injector used the same way it would be...



well...

that's just some of the basic info. there is a lot more but over all that's what we are looking for?

the basics of what to and how...

There is a lot of diagrams that state " water mist" and we also have meter mixing of gasses both ionized and exhaust gases... now look here:

" * laser primed"



whats this all about you say???

it all leads back to the Gas Gun. again the most important part of stan's system.

here is a diagram of the gas gun and it is the injector but in a tiny package...




now what in interesting is the statement of " nuclei decay" haha yeah... what the heck!

here look again:



i'm basically bringing all this in to your prospective to show that its not all just water and bang!

there is things that need to happen in the process.

here is a thought to what happens aver a millisecond or so of time inside of the injector as we get higher and higher amplitude...



you can see there are stages that must happen to get the result we are looking for!!! :)

one must really know all the steps that stan's was taking to get to the injector... hence why we need to crawl before we walk. if you dont know how to use your knees and hands your going to smash your face a lot harder against the floor! lol

also.... injected is water steam in my opinion. that's also apart of what the "steam resonator " dose... ??? so it would be easy to mix ionized gasses,steam, ECT to the mix in a mixing manifold before we inject it in to the injector...

see here :



do we just need water/steam in to the injector if we can inject the ionized gasses and non-combustible gasses in to the buttery valve???

OK enough for now ! I'm out of time!

God Bless!

~Russ
RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #67, on April 18th, 2012, 09:23 AM »
Quote from securesupplies on April 18th, 2012, 06:37 AM
PLease check this link

Better Do it  Link Technology is here

Daniel
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 18th, 2012, 01:35 AM
and the show must go on!

so, here are my concerns and thoughts.

 the contents being injected can be all in one mix or mixed in the injector its self.

of coarse i would say mix first...

in injector mix:


pree mix:


types of injector heads... :


what each will do:


calculating the capacitance of the cavity:
Note. see WFC 420 pages 7-8 and 7-9:


whats the most basic injector we could build???
Note! you must understand what the word " Quenching " means in Stan's words... and there is more than one way he uses it.



how do we control the gasses going in?

look at the pulse gate valve... that's a normal type injector used the same way it would be...



well...

that's just some of the basic info. there is a lot more but over all that's what we are looking for?

the basics of what to and how...

There is a lot of diagrams that state " water mist" and we also have meter mixing of gasses both ionized and exhaust gases... now look here:

" * laser primed"



whats this all about you say???

it all leads back to the Gas Gun. again the most important part of stan's system.

here is a diagram of the gas gun and it is the injector but in a tiny package...




now what in interesting is the statement of " nuclei decay" haha yeah... what the heck!

here look again:



i'm basically bringing all this in to your prospective to show that its not all just water and bang!

there is things that need to happen in the process.

here is a thought to what happens aver a millisecond or so of time inside of the injector as we get higher and higher amplitude...



you can see there are stages that must happen to get the result we are looking for!!! :)

one must really know all the steps that stan's was taking to get to the injector... hence why we need to crawl before we walk. if you dont know how to use your knees and hands your going to smash your face a lot harder against the floor! lol

also.... injected is water steam in my opinion. that's also apart of what the "steam resonator " dose... ??? so it would be easy to mix ionized gasses,steam, ECT to the mix in a mixing manifold before we inject it in to the injector...

see here :



do we just need water/steam in to the injector if we can inject the ionized gasses and non-combustible gasses in to the buttery valve???

OK enough for now ! I'm out of time!

God Bless!

~Russ
PHOTON -ICS LASER
http://www.ims.ac.jp/english/know_en/publications/ann_rev_2010/taira.pdf

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #68, on April 18th, 2012, 10:21 AM »
HI Russ

I have Put a Picture on this Post ,
please have a look if you carefully and slowly look at each part  you will see this is valid and can work. any comment welcomed,  VIC is important to complete and
refine

I have researched and been involved with Omnitek a company based our of Asia that has hydrogen solutions injection control solution based of their experience with LPG, they have restricted their sales of Hydrogen solutions. They technology is off the shelf

I hope all who ready this save it and forward it to

LPG BUILDERS GLOBALLY Mechanics and Hot rodders Globally .


Daniel  

wfchobby

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #69, on April 18th, 2012, 03:19 PM »
that diagram looks interesting, the technical issue of challenge is being able to retrofit a vehicle with an auto gearbox because of the vehicles ECU's, can an existing vehicles ECU be used as part ofthe system.?

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #70, on April 19th, 2012, 05:17 AM »Last edited on April 19th, 2012, 05:45 AM by securesupplies
Quote from wfchobby on April 18th, 2012, 03:19 PM
that diagram looks interesting,

 the technical issue of challenge is being able to retrofit a vehicle with an auto gearbox because of the vehicles ECU's,
can an existing vehicles ECU be used as part ofthe system.?

This is not an issue as ecu are readily
 re programmed and many off the shelf and after market items exist  inlcuding
customizable ecu for this type of purpose ,

As it is hard to do everything you self we must involve some

 LPG fitters for basic install of standard after market kits &  basic part

and than it is easier to see understand  and modify from their work.  
SO install a after market LPG and Modify it. This is now very cost effect way to
get very close to stans system with modern parts,  injectors can be changed
for h2 ones and air exhaust can be 2-3rd stage injectors which are readily controlled today by these systems.

Check Drag racing solutions and Basic after market solutions some go for 299 with out tanks now.

BEst to start to play now some people this is easy and some people need to get familiar. ONly one way to start.

Grab a coffee for a few hours at LPG installer.
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Hi This is a Diagram of adapting a current system.
It is Drawm From Omnitek, if you google LPG you will see lots of very ready and cool
applications Try LPG motor bike.


NOw Day sequencial LPG kits add a Second set of solenoids
and by pass most of systems and existing ecu's

Note it is very straight forward
to re set EUC's to your desired timing sensisitivity etc and
also use the after market one for other gases as they are customizable
soft ware wise..

You can get cable for  laptops to ecu and ECU re programmers online

also it is also  easy to expand the ECU to a aftermarket on which can handle less rigidly the injectors and sensors,

 some will allow you to turn on off sensors ajust air in temp settings and run multiple banks(stages of injectors say , fuel h2 air, exhaust which are more readily interchanged now than stans time when he built them him self? etc.  

 you can get after market as well as modern drag race ecu can manager 3-4 bank of injector solenoid meaning you can set when and where for timing and injection.

It really is time to get LPG installers involved  on a large scale
as they have ready skill to adapt our current knowledge and their fast easy knowledge of these current now old systems.

LETS all continue to support RUSS

complete Vic and Spec for INjector parts based on
Flame ignitor than simply adapt and install for trails in each of our labs

 sure there is a lot we can do more

but with the current knowledge  we are very close to running
wild with this now to teach others faster .

Suggested goals

1. spec our first  tech drawings of injector sleeves 1 & 2 s based on flame ignitor for reproductions this will set up many people to reproduce quickly
Post Here

2 Finish vic 2  boobin Style
share core spec and core suppliers  online
SHare Spec For  wire spec and winding  Spec and supplier of the wire online
 
Post both here

3 Finish vic  Style1 square  share core spec and core suppliers  online
SHare Spec For  wire spec and winding  Spec and supplier of the wire online
 
Post both here


3 Finish Circuit board , and schematic that works
post all here .too.  Post all Circuits in Gerber Formats

all PCB files Should be posted in Gerber format
as Easy to Produce for others Tony or other to post in Gerber

We can than focus on helping to make kits &  push kit to LPG guys to trail.

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Sure we Have lots to continue to trail on but other can focus on these areas and it will push things along in these areas at same time.  

ALL OF ABOVE IS GOOD if we can do togther.

I am trying to gather info as it happens  and push the Final guides
to stay in tune with knowledge

so info becomes easy for other to pick up what we are on about and
save time with entering and configuring core rebuild knowledge on each part

please assist with what you can as it is a lot of work.

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NOTE
Guides are trying to be focused on  build and re build of Stans parts correctly
 more than them being a encyclopedia of Stan Meyers theorys.

 And GUides will help get parts built and in the hands of Builders
so they can build and rebuild confidently and

than read all the documentation on how to config  and what and what it does
as per final specs.  As we know this process can takes years but is greatly eased once you have a confirmed working part and confirmed method to build it in yous hands

I believe stan should of just made 20-40 cs of each part more agressivley

to start with and get it to out to builders straight up even in the first stages as
this would have created many streams of development and trails and allowed others & next generations  to pick it up where other stop more readily.

Such as NZ Should have received the parts at time of his visit
after  his great effort to visit and train them. They could have picked it up by now
with that first hand energy given from Stan in person they would have stayed committed on it , after all we are looking at that now trying to follow it very closely

Dan

Quote from wfchobby on April 18th, 2012, 03:19 PM
that diagram looks interesting, the technical issue of challenge is being able to retrofit a vehicle with an auto gearbox because of the vehicles ECU's, can an existing vehicles ECU be used as part ofthe system.?
PS I looking for Comments on improving the Diagram.

Remember in this is based on adding after market LPG system and adapting it to
run hydrogen and or stages of solenoid like stans did and
fit our forum knowledge of what has to be done.

SPEED of deployment is shown in the diagram. as all shown is available
and nearly perfected. to trail.
 
Secret is is show LPG INSTALLER THIS

Go grab some coffee at lpg installer workshops

look at some installs they have done you will get excited.
particularly  ones that in stall european parts
as very customizable and can runs muilt stages,

NOte After market LPG systems, when installed  add a extra ECU to over ride factory one
meaning they do most of work for you during install , sensors and pick up on fly wheel etc etc  ,

you just throw away tank and condensor and install STAN TECH.  

you can use solenoids and port air exhaust h2
 to intake manifold or through solenoid  straight to sleeved flame ignitors(stan injectors)
instead of intake manifold

Use nology spark solutions

Sure there is lots to trail but have to start some where.

and I believe this is so close that with right vic detail


posted here  SOON
and right  LPG guys it will work immediately


RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #71, on April 20th, 2012, 01:41 PM »Last edited on April 20th, 2012, 03:19 PM by securesupplies
Well Guys it is raining a tropical rain here, I am eating pizza and Coke.
Up late and though I would

Make a personal Cheers to you all and Stan and Stephen Meyer
for creating what only can be called a amazing legacy.

I have Refreshed several documents and re posted into several sections

please print share and save as valuable.

Very interesting items

Dan

~Russ

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #72, on April 20th, 2012, 09:27 PM »
Quote from securesupplies on April 20th, 2012, 01:41 PM
Well Guys it is raining a tropical rain here, I am eating pizza and Coke.
Up late and though I would

Make a personal Cheers to you all and Stan and Stephen Meyer
for creating what only can be called a amazing legacy.

I have Refreshed several documents and re posted into several sections

please print share and save as valuable.

Very interesting items

Dan
nice post! :) good drawings collection! ~Russ

securesupplies

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #73, on April 21st, 2012, 01:02 PM »Last edited on April 21st, 2012, 11:27 PM by securesupplies
pcs of puzzle .


scot

RE: Water spark plug replication.
« Reply #74, on April 21st, 2012, 05:35 PM »
Hi Jeff,
Sorry i missed your post, i talked with Russ about building the injector.
I think i would rather start from scratch only so i could build in adjustments.
Thanks for the offer, Scot