Hi everyone. Lol russ has asked I join the forum a long time ago and I think he is right it's long over due. My main focus was designing different styles of cells at first I noticed no one was really doing any water spark plug expariements. So I have built a few spark plug casings out of farious different materials. I have been injecting water threw a resistorless spark plug first with a dc plasma generator which DOES NOT burn water. It only reflects the light off the water drops and that makes it look like it's burning.

I was on skype one night with YouTube user name irondmax. Check out his channel a lot of cool Meyers replications. So I told him is there a way to get more voltage out of this plasma generator. He said do I have a microwave transformer and I did. So I hooked that up to the spark plug and actually burned steam. Here is the video. WARNING if you replicate this and expariment with the microwave transformer you will be subjecting your self with RADIATION. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mZYllnDmLg you can also see the other work I did with the dc plasma generator. Also I have several different designs from others and I have taking hundreds of pictures of Meyers videos so I will share all the designs as soon as I get a chance this weekend.

So the microwave transformer gave me 2000v. Now I want to get 10kv to 20kv. Possibly up to 40 kv. One of my YouTube subscribers suggested I use a neon transformer with a tesla coil to get 10kv to 100kv. My problem is I don't know enough about circuitry to be able to build the thing properly not to mention I have waisted thousands of dollars on equipment for this stuff that i didnt have and just to have them break or become obselete. I am wondering if anyone wants to help out. I don't care if you or I do the expariments I would love to do them because i have gone this far. But that doesnt matter.

Does anyone already have a neon transformer with a tesla coil that would either like to do a few expariments and show them on youTube. Or would be willing to donate it so I can finish my expariments.  If not you will need to get a steamer like I am using to inject the water in the hv field. The water will dissociate easier in a hotter state and the water droplets are very fine. It's just about getting that right burn.
Does anyone know how to do autocad so I can work with them to describe how the water spark plug is actually build. That way there can be a 3D model made for it.
On another post a guy is talking about Macor plastic great find. That will make everything so much easier. I have made alot of friends in every material needs for these projects. I will track some down so I can buy a small bit maybe 8 feet. That will be enough for experimenting and to build the water spark plugs when it's perfected.

All and any help is greatly appreciated. Russ your doing a beautiful job with the Epg I think it's almost testing time buddy. Your gonna have that rpg wrapped in no time. Peace man much love.

Have a look at 'cockroft walton voltage multipliers', just caps and diodes connected in a kind of zig zag configuration. you might get the kind of voltages you are looking for. Ive seen plans and kits for voltage multipliers around.

Quote from H2oplasmaplug on September 24th, 2011, 08:41 AM

Hi everyone. Lol russ has asked I join the forum a long time ago and I think he is right it's long over due. My main focus was designing different styles of cells at first I noticed no one was really doing any water spark plug expariements. So I have built a few spark plug casings out of farious different materials. I have been injecting water threw a resistorless spark plug first with a dc plasma generator which DOES NOT burn water. It only reflects the light off the water drops and that makes it look like it's burning.

I was on skype one night with YouTube user name irondmax. Check out his channel a lot of cool Meyers replications. So I told him is there a way to get more voltage out of this plasma generator. He said do I have a microwave transformer and I did. So I hooked that up to the spark plug and actually burned steam. Here is the video. WARNING if you replicate this and expariment with the microwave transformer you will be subjecting your self with RADIATION. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mZYllnDmLg you can also see the other work I did with the dc plasma generator. Also I have several different designs from others and I have taking hundreds of pictures of Meyers videos so I will share all the designs as soon as I get a chance this weekend.

So the microwave transformer gave me 2000v. Now I want to get 10kv to 20kv. Possibly up to 40 kv. One of my YouTube subscribers suggested I use a neon transformer with a tesla coil to get 10kv to 100kv. My problem is I don't know enough about circuitry to be able to build the thing properly not to mention I have waisted thousands of dollars on equipment for this stuff that i didnt have and just to have them break or become obselete. I am wondering if anyone wants to help out. I don't care if you or I do the expariments I would love to do them because i have gone this far. But that doesnt matter.

Does anyone already have a neon transformer with a tesla coil that would either like to do a few expariments and show them on youTube. Or would be willing to donate it so I can finish my expariments.  If not you will need to get a steamer like I am using to inject the water in the hv field. The water will dissociate easier in a hotter state and the water droplets are very fine. It's just about getting that right burn.
Does anyone know how to do autocad so I can work with them to describe how the water spark plug is actually build. That way there can be a 3D model made for it.
On another post a guy is talking about Macor plastic great find. That will make everything so much easier. I have made alot of friends in every material needs for these projects. I will track some down so I can buy a small bit maybe 8 feet. That will be enough for experimenting and to build the water spark plugs when it's perfected.

All and any help is greatly appreciated. Russ your doing a beautiful job with the Epg I think it's almost testing time buddy. Your gonna have that rpg wrapped in no time. Peace man much love.

When you track down the macro plastic, I would be very much interested, I was the one who posted about it here,;) but have not had any success in finding it within my price range, I just think that it's funny :huh: there's not much work being done or no one want's to build the spark plug, Jeff.:D

i will be glad to give ideas, and advance your ideas to working platform.
I always get ideas all the time, its just a matter of trial. never focused on one idea because there is to much overlooked. I'm sure there is much out there that has already been overlooked. First do a patent search on google.
This was considered a type of cold fusion reactor. h20 has all the energy just waiting to be tapped in its molecules, and atomic structure.

some very simple ways to advance this plasma charge to burn water, and other gasses. ongoing.
I will add to this whenever i get the time, drawings, and concepts.

first thing that pops to mind. a fine nozzle, a good injector electronic.
second a cylinder tapped to fit the spark plug easy work. this is what he did.
used vaporized gaseouse matterial. could be done with a very simple fine screen of palladium, and platinum to seperate the hydrogen and oxegen.

since you are dealing with a plasma type spark, the addition ov UV light would cause the spark to be greater then before. spark gaps increase due to UV light, has proven.

I wonder if this could be done with an induction coil, taking a fine mist of spray and heating the mist very fast as it runs through the coil. another way to get cold steam vapor is by the use of ultrasound. A doctor showed me this. i guess it comes down to what stan had done by the introduction and the preping of the gases with light energy. you need first a nice enclosed setup to work with. a vacume is created in the engien to suck the air fuel mixture. a plenum is the top of the efi motor, a good place to condition the fuel mixtures.

if you have somthing specific in mind you want to do, just shoot another post.
have fun looks good. take care.

would you be able to post a link or some pics. what kind of voltage are we talking. also whats the current draw. thank you for your suggestion

Quote from phil on September 24th, 2011, 11:38 AM

Have a look at 'cockroft walton voltage multipliers', just caps and diodes connected in a kind of zig zag configuration. you might get the kind of voltages you are looking for. Ive seen plans and kits for voltage multipliers around.

thank you for all your suggestions and your willingness to help. ya i was sort of viewing it as cold fusion reactor. i completely agree with you on it being like cold fusion. if you are injecting warm mist then put it threw a high voltage field then burn it with plasma which will create super heated steam. so its a instant thermal reaction.

i will be posting pics and drawings tonight i am gonna also do some drawings my self of what i intemperate the water spark plug to look like inside. it would help others if they were in an autocad program that they can get for free. but google sketch up because you cant be converted to a format that a machine shop can use. plus it looks way better on an autocad program for 3d viewing.

about the plasma charge i think it will work better if its ac rather then dc. but once the voltage level is hit then it would be good to test what signal will work best.

with the nossle it is called a micro nossle. when i post the pics you will see something that will make a lot of sense. i am thinking i will see if i can modify a fuel injector so its just used as a on off valve. also i have the water spark plug casing made but after tony woodside posted a new video i saw the missing key to the water spark plug. i have also heard others say that when you ionize the water (like water in a hho cell) it should burn just like that. i am only preforming the test the way i am just so i can see the right burn. then i will finish the injector.

in regards to the uv light do i make a led array to hit the water with prior to injecting it in the spark plug casing. also i might be really hard to put inside the water spark plug even though i remember seeing something in one of the patents with having the led right down the shaft of the injector.

about the induction coil dont those require a lot of energy. if there is a efficient way to do this that would be a great asset to preheat the water prior injecting it in to the water spark plug. i was actually considering using the exhaust heat to preheat the water but it cant be heated to much because it will make air in the water line. but if we could preheat the water super fast with only induction that might be a new way of using the water as a fuel that i havent found has been done yet. if you were to do this you would have to have a air pressure to push the mist or fog as i think your refering. they are called ultrasonic fogger.

ok so here comes the pics of all the stuff i have

Quote from freethisone on September 24th, 2011, 03:34 PM

i will be glad to give ideas, and advance your ideas to working platform.
I always get ideas all the time, its just a matter of trial. never focused on one idea because there is to much overlooked. I'm sure there is much out there that has already been overlooked. First do a patent search on google.
This was considered a type of cold fusion reactor. h20 has all the energy just waiting to be tapped in its molecules, and atomic structure.

some very simple ways to advance this plasma charge to burn water, and other gasses. ongoing.
I will add to this whenever i get the time, drawings, and concepts.

first thing that pops to mind. a fine nozzle, a good injector electronic.
second a cylinder tapped to fit the spark plug easy work. this is what he did.
used vaporized gaseouse matterial. could be done with a very simple fine screen of palladium, and platinum to seperate the hydrogen and oxegen.

since you are dealing with a plasma type spark, the addition ov UV light would cause the spark to be greater then before. spark gaps increase due to UV light, has proven.

I wonder if this could be done with an induction coil, taking a fine mist of spray and heating the mist very fast as it runs through the coil. another way to get cold steam vapor is by the use of ultrasound. A doctor showed me this. i guess it comes down to what stan had done by the introduction and the preping of the gases with light energy. you need first a nice enclosed setup to work with. a vacume is created in the engien to suck the air fuel mixture. a plenum is the top of the efi motor, a good place to condition the fuel mixtures.

if you have somthing specific in mind you want to do, just shoot another post.
have fun looks good. take care.

lets see if this works. this is meyers spark plug you can see how the inner connection has a long rod about an inch and a half i think its gonna be made out of either nickle tungsten or cobalt. the outer case could look like its either titanium or light tungsten. it could be made of stainless with low chromium. i made my casing out of stainless 600 grade called inconel. its very high nickle content. i did make them out of aluminum so i could get to hold one and then i made one out of brass and stainless 304.
this shows the injector port for the water spark plug (wsp)this is the dc plasma i was using when i first started. here is one of meyers water spark plugs on his dune buggy you can see there is only one fuel inlet.here you can see meyers holding his water spark plug in his hand and there is a hole in the middle of the outlet that is between 1/16 and 3/16here is just another pic of the same thing from a little futher backhere is one of meyers designs he did.

last post is used for high voltage on a scope. my buddy stone sent that to me. i think this is paharishs water spark plug

A wile back i was reading a patent on how to get 100 mpg in a car. what i remember was he used vapor coils. the steam traveled through these coils were he may have used induction coils to super heat it as it passed through the vapor coil.

more or less it was a steam motor. i had the idea of using the hh0 gas to superheat the water by the sublimation of tungsten. i think i remember seeing a movie on that too. but more or less it was a cold fusion reactor, because he used tungsten electrodes in the water electrolysis process.

a microwave works on the same frequency to resonate water molecules. If you put metal in the microwave it will fry the plastic inside. water electrolysis process, this process may work in water if metal particles are used, like ionized silver or something much cheaper. gold was suggested by the doctor who wanted to cure cancer by heating of metals in the cell region of a tumor by heating the suspended particles of gold with RF noise at about 22 gigahertz or was it 22 megahertz of the radio band. That caused the water in a cell, to vibrate as the heating of the tiny conductors suspended in the water get hot. RF frequency kills cancer cell without kemo. Did you see that movie were the doctor found a way to use radio to induce heat directly into suspended particles of metal in the tumor.

As for the UV light, no it works directly with a spark gap, so i didn't think about it being underwater. i think it works best if the gap is a normal pressure, or a modified pressure of air. but if you were to try a enclosed box made of plexiglass so you can make all your taps, and also have it be close to, or completely air tight. just to see the plasma effects on the mist by the introduction of Uv light on a cloud of steam. over time the introduction of infra red light could help in the heating of the steam, or conditioning in the box. I think if there are metal ions present in the water heating of the water would be faster if you employed a vapor coil, and used an induction coil to a length of the vapor coil.

The effects  are after all very similar or if not identical to the processes of conditioning in the epg system of hydrogen and oxygen.  
so in solution it would be a salt water ionic metal concentration of particles of the proper size, a chemical liquid comparison / composition to the plasma state, or gaseous states of o2 hydrogen molecules..

here is one of meyers designs but it doesnt match what his ones looked like in real lifehere is another one of meyers designs. but again doesnt match the same as what he had in his hand. here is apparently the gas out micro nozzle but i personally think its the quenching circuit he talked about which is a flash back arrestor. here is how meyers describes the burning of water. i have to get some sleep but i will continue posting all the information i have. i have been researching this for a while so i think this is pretty much all that i have with his stuff. when i get a chance tomorrow i will post what i have done. can you find that patent and post it. about the doctor was it by chance royal raymond rife. also it wont be under water it will only have water pass threw it look at the first pic i posted. what is a vapor coil. i will get back to the rest of this post tomorrow

Quote from freethisone on September 24th, 2011, 10:36 PM

A wile back i was reading a patent on how to get 100 mpg in a car. what i remember was he used vapor coils. the steam traveled through these coils were he may have used induction coils to super heat it as it passed through the vapor coil.

more or less it was a steam motor. i had the idea of using the hh0 gas to superheat the water by the sublimation of tungsten. i think i remember seeing a movie on that too. but more or less it was a cold fusion reactor, because he used tungsten electrodes in the water electrolysis process.

a microwave works on the same frequency to resonate water molecules. If you put metal in the microwave it will fry the plastic inside. water electrolysis process, this process may work in water if metal particles are used, like ionized silver or something much cheaper. gold was suggested by the doctor who wanted to cure cancer by heating of metals in the cell region of a tumor by heating the suspended particles of gold with RF noise at about  22 gigahertz or was it 22 megahertz of the radio band.  That caused the water in a cell, to vibrate as the heating of the tiny conductors suspended in the water get hot. RF frequency kills cancer cell without kemo. Did you see that movie were the doctor found a way to use radio to induce heat directly into suspended particles of metal in the tumor.

As for the UV light, no it works directly with a spark gap, so i didn't think about it being underwater. i think it works best if the gap is a normal pressure, or a modified pressure of air. but if you were to try a enclosed box made of plexiglass so you can make all your taps, and also have it be close to, or completely air tight. just to see the plasma effects on the mist by the introduction of Uv light on a cloud of steam. over time the introduction of infra red light could help in the heating of the steam, or conditioning. I think  if there are metal ions present in the water heating of the water would be faster if you employed a vapor coil, and used an induction coil to a length of the vapor coil.

http://www.amazing1.com/hv-dc-power-supplies.htm       These guys sell kits and plans


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half wave                            full wave

Off the top of my head I think you get supply voltage X number of stages but half the current each stage and the more stages you have the more ripple there is on the output voltage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPvL-JLV0Y&feature=related         Voltage multiplier

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This is herman andersons spark plug.

They all seem to have a long centre electrode forming the ionization/high voltage zone.

I will let you know for sure. Do you have other friends that need it. I am thinking we can split the cost on one length. Maybe 8 feet but knowing a retailer they are gonna charge us for a 20 foot length minimum or they will make us buy a 5 thousand dollar batch. I am gonna call then right now I will let you know. I have to buy some delrin for my cell anyways.
Yes Phil your absolutely right they all have a center electrode. In Meyers picture which is one of the first pics that I posted you can actually see his center electrode before he puts it inside the outer casing.

think that's what freethisone was referring to.

Quote from phil on September 25th, 2011, 04:24 PM

http://www.amazing1.com/hv-dc-power-supplies.htm       These guys sell kits and plans


         

half wave                            full wave

Off the top of my head I think you get supply voltage X number of stages but half the current each stage and the more stages you have the more ripple there is on the output voltage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lPvL-JLV0Y&feature=related         Voltage multiplier



This is herman andersons spark plug.

They all seem to have a long centre electrode forming the ionization/high voltage zone.

if you look up ionizers, these are the circuits you will find.

good stuff!

thanks matt for posting, hope you are glad you did. there are a lot of helpful people here that are willing to help!

~Russ

Thank you for locating that movie, don't laugh at my drawing, its my first one. but i have most of the components.
 
its a epg/hho processor with a difference in pressure to create a vacuum.
 
seemingly if the induction coil was to heat the magnetic dipoles to the point were they loose there attraction property, then as the vapor passed again through the permanent magnets and had sufficiently cooled. the dipole would be reestablished.
 
my question is, would the system act in the same manner if there were no metal particles present in the system. meaning could the electrons take on the dipole at the nucleus, adding the magnetic dipole moment to the electron itself, causing it to have the same effect as if there were magnetic domains present in the system?
 nano sized metal particles caused by spark gap degeneration of the surfaces.
 
perhaps the system could contain only ionic salts acting as magnetic domains, or that may be fully furnished by the charge of the particles. HHO

Quote from freethisone on September 26th, 2011, 10:26 AM

Thank you for locating that movie, don't laugh at my drawing, its my first one. but i have most of the components.
 
its a epg/hho processor with a difference in pressure to create a vacuum.
 
seemingly if the induction coil was to heat the magnetic dipoles to the point were they loose there attraction property, then as the vapor passed again through the permanent magnets and had sufficiently cooled. the dipole would be reestablished.
 
my question is, would the system act in the same manner if there were no metal particles present in the system. meaning could the electrons take on the dipole at the nucleus, adding the magnetic dipole moment to the electron itself, causing it to have the same effect as if there were magnetic domains present in the system?
 nano sized metal particles caused by spark gap degeneration of the surfaces.
 
perhaps the system could contain only ionic salts acting as magnetic domains, or that may be fully furnished by the charge of the particles. HHO

That,s a good thought, electrons doing the induction work.:D

:P

Quote from Jeff Nading on September 26th, 2011, 01:14 PM

Quote from freethisone on September 26th, 2011, 10:26 AM

Thank you for locating that movie, don't laugh at my drawing, its my first one. but i have most of the components.
 
its a epg/hho processor with a difference in pressure to create a vacuum.
 
seemingly if the induction coil was to heat the magnetic dipoles to the point were they loose there attraction property, then as the vapor passed again through the permanent magnets and had sufficiently cooled. the dipole would be reestablished.
 
my question is, would the system act in the same manner if there were no metal particles present in the system. meaning could the electrons take on the dipole at the nucleus, adding the magnetic dipole moment to the electron itself, causing it to have the same effect as if there were magnetic domains present in the system?
 nano sized metal particles caused by spark gap degeneration of the surfaces.
 
perhaps the system could contain only ionic salts acting as magnetic domains, or that may be fully furnished by the charge of the particles. HHO

That,s a good thought, electrons doing the induction work.:D

ha ha i guess that is funny considering this has been established. i think it would be easier to see as a virtual photon induction..
 
allot can be covered if you follow links below. the process of energy forming bonds, and charges, but that  doesn't answer my question about the presents of metallic domains in the system, acting in the same manner as electrons can, having a lattice structure, and a magnetic alignment.

The lamb shift
 The Bohr model for an electron transition in hydrogen between quantized energy levels with different quantum numbers n yields a photon by emission with quantum energy:
THE ATOMIC HYDROGEN EMISSION SPECTRUM
ionic bonding types
follow the link electron negativity lol at me:P sucess unified.

I have both Tesla coil and neon transformer and would do experiments and post provided if experiment roast parts of coil people would help replace the parts. And provided I don't have to be in or talk on the vids. :s
FI3

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Does anyone already have a neon transformer with a tesla coil that would either like to do a few expariments and show them on youTube. Or would be willing to donate it so I can finish my expariments.  If not you will need to get a steamer like I am using to inject the water in the hv field. The water will dissociate easier in a hotter state and the water droplets are very fine. It's just about getting that right burn.
Does anyone know how to do autocad so I can work with them to describe how the water spark plug is actually build. That way there can be a 3D model made for it.
On another post a guy is talking about Macor plastic great find. That will make everything so much easier. I have made alot of friends in every material needs for these projects. I will track some down so I can buy a small bit maybe 8 feet. That will be enough for experimenting and to build the water spark plugs when it's perfected.

All and any help is greatly appreciated. Russ your doing a beautiful job with the Epg I think it's almost testing time buddy. Your gonna have that rpg wrapped in no time. Peace man much love.

Someone was telling me about a secluded transformer I can't remember the name of it maybe someone knows what I am talkin about. Maybe it's called a flyback transformer. What is the currant draw on your neon transformer. I hope others would be willing to replace parts that you would burn our. Also make sure to use a steamer the water droplets have to be extremely small. Also use rain water or distilled. They will both have less impurities. Meyers said you can use rain water. I had a tube cell at one time and I tested every water I could get my hands on and it seemed that distilled and rain water drew almost the exact same currant. If there are less impurities you will have less of a shorting out effect.

As for the video if you would like I can be a commentator on it. Or if you could write on the screen what your doing. What is your YouTube user name.

Thank you for offerIng to help with the expariment.
Matt

I have both Tesla coil and neon transformer and would do experiments and post provided if experiment roast parts of coil people would help replace the parts. And provided I don't have to be in or talk on the vids. :s
FI3

Some helpfull hints:

1. Its not macor plastic, its a machineable ceramic. (not cheap)
Delrin(plastic) is what stan used for his projects. You can get it at usplastics.com in block ,rod or sheet. The Macor is made by corning glass, the reason for the high expense is the ceramic is made for outer space uses. I picked up some on ebay for 120 bucks for 3 feet,and only need about 3 inchs per injector. An alternative would be plaster of pariscast in the mold then fired in an oven(kiln) look for pottery crafting in your area.
2. The high voltage stan used was at least 45kv made thru the vic coil. The wave guide in the precombustion chamber of the injecter(tapered from large to small)nearly doubled the voltage to 90kv before launching the plasma from the end of the s/s304 electrode into the combustion area thru the .10"hole in the end of the precombustion chamber..I use the house brand 60kv coils from summitracing.com in Reno,nevada. I split the top off with a grinding disc, wind 200 turns of #30 mag wire in a bifilar fashion on a schedule 20 pvc tube,insert it between the secondary and primary coils, and voila, a vic coil!
3. Stan used s/s 304 for the electrode stock . I have found thru much determination tungsten(thoriated) works much better(being thoriated, any welder will agree it strikes much easier)I get mine on ebay for about 7-11 dollars for 10 rodsx 1/16"
4. If you want to duplicate stans design,dont go off the patents which are very misleading. basically, get some .75 hex steel rod from onlinemetals.com(2ft= 25bucks with shipping. turn the bottom shank to .6875"x1.75"L(the vw length=4",needs longer reach)the bottom .5" needs to be threaded for the sparkplug size you will use. The vw is 18mm threds for the sparkplugport.
The inside of the injecter is bored for .5" from the top end to within .5" from the bottom end of the injecter body. A .10" hole is drilled in the bottom end of the injecter body. A 30degree angle drill is(3/16")(tapered) is used inside the bore to complete the waveguide. I fashioned the capnut and threds before boring the body of the injecter which allows more stability during construction. The purpose of the capnut is to contain the electrode holder with an appropiate oring to seal the injecter with. The water injection port presented some issues to deal with, so I used water mist injested thru that port and suffered alot less. I cut chanells in the macor to allow the mist(steam)to concentrate in the precombustion chamber before the plasmic operation takes place. To fashion the port, drill and tap a 3/8"npt hole in one of the hex flats,2 threds only,not too deep.
The macor is machined to allow 3/8" inside the .5" inside bore of the cavity up to the end of the water port. From there to the top of the injecter is solid .5", then tapered to the end of the electrode, in my case was 1.25",leaving .25" of the electrode to connect to. The macor assembly is then drilled with a long 1/16" gundrill to accept the electrode which is glued in place with glass glue from masterbond.com

After extensive testing, I found the initial trials left alot to be desired for the system to operate independently of a carbon fuel. the reasoning was this;
As gasoline is burned in the chamber,during the power stroke,(an exothermic reaction,)there is sufficient time to depress the head of the piston and drive it thru 180 degrees to then continue on thru the exhaust stroke and exit thru the exh manifold before conducting an endothermic reaction on its way out the tailpipe.
Any fuel goes thru both these processes in a four cycle process Internal Combustion engine. So, when the Stan Meyer injecter introduces atomised water into the precombustion part of the injecter, the 45-90kvac charge ripps the water mol apart exposing the two primary gases and simultaneously ignites the hydrogen in the presence of the inherent oxygen. Hydrogen burns much more quickly than gasoline does, and wants to reassocciate (endothermic). Stan added nitrogen to the mix thru the gas processor unit with the addition of ambient air which is about 75 % nitrogen. This allows the burn to continue past the 180 degree mark and continue into the exhaust stroke ,cooling the charge and creating a partial vacuam during the exhaust stroke. This also caused less heat to escape into the exhaust system.
Stan found that by using the resonator in the water tank for idling, he could use the injecters for accelloration only having to add 7-11% of the water neccessary to accomplish normal driving conditions. The injecters by themselves cannot support normal driving conditions. The hydroxl produced by the resonator and the air gas processor is very integral to the overall performance of the Stan Meyer system.      

Glad to see you join H20plasmaplug they main Goal like Meyers is to control the amount of Energy put in by the plug which Plasma is Achieved right but is finding the people that have Knowledge of an Oscillating frequency wave-forms an building separate circuits in one box an can be shared with everyone but I hope someone can Help here!!

My user name on youtube is fastimports3. I could use a commentator I don't like cameras much that's why the vids r kinda lame they all show importance but boring and confusing unless you see the relativity to the next video. Here is video of Telsa coil driving a WFC needed more work but the coil fried a couple 500v 55amp mosfets doing it. So I haven't tried again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-xoRK2SP8

Quote from H2oplasmaplug on September 30th, 2011, 09:40 AM

Someone was telling me about a secluded transformer I can't remember the name of it maybe someone knows what I am talkin about. Maybe it's called a flyback transformer. What is the currant draw on your neon transformer. I hope others would be willing to replace parts that you would burn our. Also make sure to use a steamer the water droplets have to be extremely small. Also use rain water or distilled. They will both have less impurities. Meyers said you can use rain water. I had a tube cell at one time and I tested every water I could get my hands on and it seemed that distilled and rain water drew almost the exact same currant. If there are less impurities you will have less of a shorting out effect.

As for the video if you would like I can be a commentator on it. Or if you could write on the screen what your doing. What is your YouTube user name.

Thank you for offerIng to help with the expariment.
Matt

I have both Tesla coil and neon transformer and would do experiments and post provided if experiment roast parts of coil people would help replace the parts. And provided I don't have to be in or talk on the vids. :s
FI3

Quote from artinvegas on September 30th, 2011, 10:17 PM

Some helpfull hints:

1. Its not macor plastic, its a machineable ceramic. (not cheap)
Delrin(plastic) is what stan used for his projects. You can get it at usplastics.com in block ,rod or sheet. The Macor is made by corning glass, the reason for the high expense is the ceramic is made for outer space uses. I picked up some on ebay for 120 bucks for 3 feet,and only need about 3 inchs per injector. An alternative would be plaster of pariscast in the mold then fired in an oven(kiln) look for pottery crafting in your area.
2. The high voltage stan used was at least 45kv made thru the vic coil. The wave guide in the precombustion chamber of the injecter(tapered from large to small)nearly doubled the voltage to 90kv before launching the plasma from the end of the s/s304 electrode into the combustion area thru the .10"hole in the end of the precombustion chamber..I use the house brand 60kv coils from summitracing.com in Reno,nevada. I split the top off with a grinding disc, wind 200 turns of #30 mag wire in a bifilar fashion on a schedule 20 pvc tube,insert it between the secondary and primary coils, and voila, a vic coil!
3. Stan used s/s 304 for the electrode stock . I have found thru much determination tungsten(thoriated) works much better(being thoriated, any welder will agree it strikes much easier)I get mine on ebay for about 7-11 dollars for 10 rodsx 1/16"
4. If you want to duplicate stans design,dont go off the patents which are very misleading. basically, get some .75 hex steel rod from onlinemetals.com(2ft= 25bucks with shipping. turn the bottom shank to .6875"x1.75"L(the vw length=4",needs longer reach)the bottom .5" needs to be threaded for the sparkplug size you will use. The vw is 18mm threds for the sparkplugport.
The inside of the injecter is bored for .5" from the top end to within .5" from the bottom end of the injecter body. A .10" hole is drilled in the bottom end of the injecter body. A 30degree angle drill is(3/16")(tapered) is used inside the bore to complete the waveguide. I fashioned the capnut and threds before boring the body of the injecter which allows more stability during construction. The purpose of the capnut is to contain the electrode holder with an appropiate oring to seal the injecter with. The water injection port presented some issues to deal with, so I used water mist injested thru that port and suffered alot less. I cut chanells in the macor to allow the mist(steam)to concentrate in the precombustion chamber before the plasmic operation takes place. To fashion the port, drill and tap a 3/8"npt hole in one of the hex flats,2 threds only,not too deep.
The macor is machined to allow 3/8" inside the .5" inside bore of the cavity up to the end of the water port. From there to the top of the injecter is solid .5", then tapered to the end of the electrode, in my case was 1.25",leaving .25" of the electrode to connect to. The macor assembly is then drilled with a long 1/16" gundrill to accept the electrode which is glued in place with glass glue from masterbond.com

After extensive testing, I found the initial trials left alot to be desired for the system to operate independently of a carbon fuel. the reasoning was this;
As gasoline is burned in the chamber,during the power stroke,(an exothermic reaction,)there is sufficient time to depress the head of the piston and drive it thru 180 degrees to then continue on thru the exhaust stroke and exit thru the exh manifold before conducting an endothermic reaction on its way out the tailpipe.
Any fuel goes thru both these processes in a four cycle process Internal Combustion engine. So, when the Stan Meyer injecter introduces atomised water into the precombustion part of the injecter, the 45-90kvac charge ripps the water mol apart exposing the two primary gases and simultaneously ignites the hydrogen in the presence of the inherent oxygen. Hydrogen burns much more quickly than gasoline does, and wants to reassocciate (endothermic). Stan added nitrogen to the mix thru the gas processor unit with the addition of ambient air which is about 75 % nitrogen. This allows the burn to continue past the 180 degree mark and continue into the exhaust stroke ,cooling the charge and creating a partial vacuam during the exhaust stroke. This also caused less heat to escape into the exhaust system.
Stan found that by using the resonator in the water tank for idling, he could use the injecters for accelloration only having to add 7-11% of the water neccessary to accomplish normal driving conditions. The injecters by themselves cannot support normal driving conditions. The hydroxl produced by the resonator and the air gas processor is very integral to the overall performance of the Stan Meyer system.

Nice bit of info.good details and i agree. you got to have the gas processor and recirculate exhaust to get the burn rate and also cool the reaction.

thanks art!

~Russ

Hi all, Just been reading this post and maybe this patent may be of loose interest on using plasma jet ignition.
Apologies if someones posted it before or its totally irrelevant.

Wol

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3921605.pdf

Quote from artinvegas on September 30th, 2011, 10:17 PM

Some helpfull hints:

1. Its not macor plastic, its a machineable ceramic. (not cheap)
Delrin(plastic) is what stan used for his projects. You can get it at usplastics.com in block ,rod or sheet. The Macor is made by corning glass, the reason for the high expense is the ceramic is made for outer space uses. I picked up some on ebay for 120 bucks for 3 feet,and only need about 3 inchs per injector. An alternative would be plaster of pariscast in the mold then fired in an oven(kiln) look for pottery crafting in your area.
2. The high voltage stan used was at least 45kv made thru the vic coil. The wave guide in the precombustion chamber of the injecter(tapered from large to small)nearly doubled the voltage to 90kv before launching the plasma from the end of the s/s304 electrode into the combustion area thru the .10"hole in the end of the precombustion chamber..I use the house brand 60kv coils from summitracing.com in Reno,nevada. I split the top off with a grinding disc, wind 200 turns of #30 mag wire in a bifilar fashion on a schedule 20 pvc tube,insert it between the secondary and primary coils, and voila, a vic coil!
3. Stan used s/s 304 for the electrode stock . I have found thru much determination tungsten(thoriated) works much better(being thoriated, any welder will agree it strikes much easier)I get mine on ebay for about 7-11 dollars for 10 rodsx 1/16"
4. If you want to duplicate stans design,dont go off the patents which are very misleading. basically, get some .75 hex steel rod from onlinemetals.com(2ft= 25bucks with shipping. turn the bottom shank to .6875"x1.75"L(the vw length=4",needs longer reach)the bottom .5" needs to be threaded for the sparkplug size you will use. The vw is 18mm threds for the sparkplugport.
The inside of the injecter is bored for .5" from the top end to within .5" from the bottom end of the injecter body. A .10" hole is drilled in the bottom end of the injecter body. A 30degree angle drill is(3/16")(tapered) is used inside the bore to complete the waveguide. I fashioned the capnut and threds before boring the body of the injecter which allows more stability during construction. The purpose of the capnut is to contain the electrode holder with an appropiate oring to seal the injecter with. The water injection port presented some issues to deal with, so I used water mist injested thru that port and suffered alot less. I cut chanells in the macor to allow the mist(steam)to concentrate in the precombustion chamber before the plasmic operation takes place. To fashion the port, drill and tap a 3/8"npt hole in one of the hex flats,2 threds only,not too deep.
The macor is machined to allow 3/8" inside the .5" inside bore of the cavity up to the end of the water port. From there to the top of the injecter is solid .5", then tapered to the end of the electrode, in my case was 1.25",leaving .25" of the electrode to connect to. The macor assembly is then drilled with a long 1/16" gundrill to accept the electrode which is glued in place with glass glue from masterbond.com

After extensive testing, I found the initial trials left alot to be desired for the system to operate independently of a carbon fuel. the reasoning was this;
As gasoline is burned in the chamber,during the power stroke,(an exothermic reaction,)there is sufficient time to depress the head of the piston and drive it thru 180 degrees to then continue on thru the exhaust stroke and exit thru the exh manifold before conducting an endothermic reaction on its way out the tailpipe.
Any fuel goes thru both these processes in a four cycle process Internal Combustion engine. So, when the Stan Meyer injecter introduces atomised water into the precombustion part of the injecter, the 45-90kvac charge ripps the water mol apart exposing the two primary gases and simultaneously ignites the hydrogen in the presence of the inherent oxygen. Hydrogen burns much more quickly than gasoline does, and wants to reassocciate (endothermic). Stan added nitrogen to the mix thru the gas processor unit with the addition of ambient air which is about 75 % nitrogen. This allows the burn to continue past the 180 degree mark and continue into the exhaust stroke ,cooling the charge and creating a partial vacuam during the exhaust stroke. This also caused less heat to escape into the exhaust system.
Stan found that by using the resonator in the water tank for idling, he could use the injecters for accelloration only having to add 7-11% of the water neccessary to accomplish normal driving conditions. The injecters by themselves cannot support normal driving conditions. The hydroxl produced by the resonator and the air gas processor is very integral to the overall performance of the Stan Meyer system.

I recall watching one of Stans lectures and he showed an exhaust cycle as the piston was at the very bottom of stroke.  I wondered if he may have drilled a hole in the cylinder wall near the bottom to relieve pressure?

I have seen water plasma sheet steel cutters in industry, is this the same or similar technology? I gather the machine uses a high pressure water jet which is "ignited" and cuts straight through plate steel.

all very interesting... ~Russ