Some stuff from someone who defends Fast Freddy....????
also at
http://pesn.com/2011/06/15/9501847_Eric_Hansens_Water_Fuel_Hydroxy_Manifesto/Installation Considerations
The reason I used the term master mechanic, is because the installation of these systems requires various modifications on different engines, to overcome a few technical issues. Let me tell you about the issues you will face in retrofitting your engine with one of these fuel systems, and how to overcome them.
First, let's compare the fuels we are swapping. One big difference is the octane rating, which refers to the fuel's ability to self-ignite under pressure, as well as its rate of burn. Today's gasoline at the pump ranges from between 87 octane for sluggish performance and 93 octane for high performance. Diesel actually has an even lower octane rating, because it self-combusts easily under heat and pressure. Aviation fuels have much higher octane ratings, because they can withstand more heat and pressure before they self-ignite. The engine in your car or pickup was designed to use a liquid fuel with an octane rating between 87 and 93. Hydrogen by itself has a rating of 130, but when it is exactly in stoichiometric ratio (proportionally burnt with oxygen to combine and make water) the burn rate is increased even further... over 135 at least.
We could actually utilize a higher compression ratio for even further horsepower and economy gains. Hydroxy is extremely efficient for an engine. Gasoline however, burns so slow, that your engine cylinders have to fire long before they get to the top of the compression stroke, to allow enough time for the combustion process to take place within the cylinder. The burning of the fuel actually taking place, needs enough time to fully expand, enough time to create pressure in the cylinder, and enough time for the thrust stroke. Hydroxy gas burns with over 2 and 1/2 times the power and speed of gasoline, so the first and foremost issue is the spark timing system on your engine. Detonating the hydroxy gasses too soon could result in catastrophic failure of your engine. So the first obstacle for converting your engine to run on hydroxy gas, is to modify the spark timing on your vehicle. There has been a lot of confusion out there as how to achieve this. As an ex-career mechanic, I can tell you exactly how to do this, so pay special attention.
Older points style and non ECU computer engines are easy. You can just turn the distributor wherever you want, in this case right at TDC (top dead center), is probably a good point to begin our timing curve. It's as simple as that.
However, as you know, today's engines are more sophisticated, and there are three basic levels, which are OBD 1, 2, and 3. OBD refers to the on-board diagnostics of the computer system controlling the engine in your vehicle. The computer controls the timing now, and there have been several issues arising in the hydroxy groups on how to keep this darn computer from blowing up your engine when you switch to pure Hydroxy. In other words, we need to prevent the computer from telling the plugs to fire too early, changing the spark timing to something you don't want.
OBD1 vehicles, or vehicles made between 1991 and 1995 have a wire which goes to the distributor, which sends the signal for the distributor to advance the timing. On a GM it's the tan wire with a black stripe, or it just looks brown and black when it's old and greasy. Usually, there is a plastic quick-disconnect near the distributor, or under the dash near the computer. This is the wire a mechanic disconnects to set your timing for a tune up or repair job of any kind. If you just unplug this wire, and set your timing to TDC, the job is done on an OBD1 vehicle. Again, Prior to computer controlled vehicles, you only need to turn the distributor to the appropriate point. But on OBD 2 and 3 vehicles, where there is no handy little wire to disable the advance, the situation changes, and we need a new approach. The computer completely controls all the advance, and is normally set using a scanner. On a GM Vortec 350 for instance, the base timing is already at 0 degrees at TDC plus or minus two degrees. It's already ideal, but since the computer is in control, it will fire somewhere between 18 and 22 degrees before top dead center, which is no good.
There are a myriad of sensors your computer constantly monitors, to determine what the best timing or firing point is. So in the hydroxy groups, they are using several different approaches trying to modify or trick the computer into firing later. They use Oxygen sensor enhancers, and EFIE's or electronic fuel injection enhancers to send a false signal to the computer, essentially tricking it to lean out and or fire at a later point. This may work fine for boosters which still rely on gasoline, but does not even come close to where you need to be to utilize 100% hydroxy gas.
In order to do that, we need to simply reprogram the computer to fire where we want. How do you do that you say? Simple, there are kits available to do just that very thing. You can actually re-flash your computer's main chip instructions. Racers of all kinds use these systems to reprogram these computers every day. If you know what you are doing, it only takes about 2 1/2 minutes. Most of these kits come with preset codes, with maybe five modes of performance to choose from, and you would choose one of those sets of codes to reflash your chip with. But we need control of the code ourselves, and there are only a rare few of reprogramming kits with the power, or option to do so; but they ARE out there, and right now I am working with one called HP Tuner, like Horse-Power Tuner.
These kits are available through summit racing equipment online. Depending on what you need and want, they range between 400 and 600 dollars. A serious Hydroxy installer would need to get a few kits that cover different makes in order to cover as many brands as possible. Also, keep in mind that these were designed for racers using V8 engines, so don't expect to find a HP Tuner kit for your little Geo Metro, or your Volkswagen Diesel. Your fuel will be free now, so why would you even bother with a little econo-box rice grinder, when you could be driving with the power, luxury, and safety of a much larger vehicle.
I must warn you, these kits are powerful tools. If you don't know what you are doing, you are likely to end up doing serious damage to your engine. I strongly suggest getting the 250 dollar HP Tuner training video to learn how to use these systems correctly. With over three hundred million people in the US, and only eight hundred thousand auto mechanics, that's less than 1/3 of one percent of the population who work on cars professionally. Out of those, there are nine different areas of certification in automechanics. Obviously, you don't want a steering and break specialist installing an unfamiliar fuel system, and reprogramming your computer. Make sure the mechanic is either a Master technician, certified in all nine areas, or at least has the performance, fuel, and emission systems certifications needed to understand what he or she is doing. In my time as an automotive technician, I've found that most people know little more than how to check the fluids. When they open the hood of their car, it's like seeing a Borg ship for the first time. They're just lost.
On another note, let's say you are a somewhat decent mechanic, hate computers, and your more of a nuts and bolts kinda guy; or you have a carburetor engine instead of fuel injection, and want to use this system on your vehicle -- and this applies to any size engine as far as fuel supply goes -- you can use a propane carburetor setup, which was designed to handle gasses just like we are using. As long as you have the ability to adjust the timing, a propane carburetor system will work excellent, and are readily available in several places online. They are a fairly easy shoe-in because the Freddy unit, or Meyer style unit operates even better under pressure, and comes with a recommended operational pressure of 55 to 60 PSI. This is nice, because you can pipe that right to the precarb regulator, which reduces the pressure to between 3 and 4 PSI. It is further reduced at the carb to only eight ounces of pressure or 1/2 a PSI, where it operates at.
If computers don't scare you, you're a knowledgeable automotive technician, and money is no object, I recommend a professional aftermarket port fuel injection system. It enables you to completely program every aspect of control within the engine, and use 10 to one or 12 to one compression pistons, so you can fully utilize the power available within a 135 octane fuel. But with the amount of power and friction, you might also want to add an under piston cooling system to keep the top of your piston cool, and keep everything extra lubricated around the combustion chamber for longevity and durability. If you do all this, you will have one bad mother engine running on nothing but pure water!
Oh, and by the way, even if you don't get all the fancy stuff, you'll notice a substantial horsepower increase anyway, because hydroxy gas has over 2 1/2 times the power of gasoline. So watch out when you step on the gas pedal for the first time to pull out on the street. You can easily spin your tires not even trying to, because it takes less pedal to do the same job.
I'm not telling you to put a 6,000 dollar, state of the art fuel system in your 1200 dollar Aerostar, so some people might just want to stick with a booster kit for now. This can start saving you money right away. It also has much less hassle and expense than trying to redesign your entire fuel system. There are a number of different systems to choose from depending on what engine size you have, and how much power can be safely taken from your electrical system. I've heard estimates from 20% fuel savings, all the way up to 100%, or doubling their mileage with some of these systems. They also clean up your exhaust dramatically. Some work so good that the analyzers at the emissions check station will flunk your vehicle, saying there is a leak in your exhaust, because it's not detecting enough carbon! In a case like that, you would want to disconnect the power to the unit to take the test.
But getting back to the Freddy Cell by Future Energy Concepts, it is clear some people look at the $5,500 price tag and complain that it is high. I consider it is cheap, and I'll tell you why. One is the cost of the materials used in the unit. Stainless steel isn't cheap. Neither is the machining process required to mill these parts to exacting standards. The electronics, wires, and housing are all factors as well. Besides, how much gasoline do you actually buy in a year? I own a one ton Chevy, and spend over 100 dollars a week pumping crude into my 32 gallon tank. So in my case it would pay for itself the first year.
Maybe you have several vehicles, but only drive one at a time. If you cannot afford a unit for each vehicle and one for home power generation, there is a potential solution. Alter all of them to utilize the unit, and take the unit with you wherever you go. You can transfer it to whatever vehicle you are driving at the time. Using a quick disconnect, you could just pop off the pressure line, unplug the PWM, and bring it inside to power your home generation unit. Stick it on your Winnabego and start touring the country. Put it on your boat and circle the globe. You will have to come up with other excuses to stop at the gas station, like chips and sodas or something (such as a potty stop [unless you want to put that in your engine as well]).
Another question I see arising is about backflash, or backfiring, as well as storage of hydrogen. With the booster systems you definitely need a check valve to prevent any fire from traveling up your intake, and straight into your unit. It is also needed to prevent any water from traveling through the hydroxy supply line, right into your engine. That is what the bubbler is for. It simply feeds the hydrogen gas through water, making it bubble up to the top, and continue into the intake of your engine after going through a check valve, which prevents the backflash from the other direction.
With Freddy's unit, there isn't any chance of backflash into the unit, because it uses your vehicles existing injector system. There's no way that the flash, if any, could travel up backwards through the injector. It only needs a water trap to prevent the water from reaching the injectors.
As for your hydrogen blowing up, there is no storage of hydrogen besides what is created in the unit. There is no storage tank. All the hydroxy gas is created as you need it. That's what on-demand means, and that's why it is so important for everyone to jump on this. If our holier than thou government has anything to do with this, they'll have you going to the pump to fill a tank with hydrogen, where they can tax the heck out of you. That's what's so utterly important about keeping this open-source. That's why there aren't any new patents being filed on this. Like Freddy said, our children and grandchildren can enjoy the benefits of our labor, and not have to worry about fuel and electric bills. Two of the biggest lies in the world, created to generate money for dear old Uncle Sam.
In case you didn't know, the free energy cover-ups began with the founding of our great nation, and continue to this day. You have been lied to about a great many things. A very large percentage of what we're taught in school is geared to keep you brainwashed into believing their lies about history, science, and even religion. As you know, history is written by the victor. How many book burnings, genocides, and taxes does it take before you wake up and realize the truth? You are under control, and you have no rights. Under the Patriot Act, they can call you a terrorist, take you away, lock you up forever, and not have to show any evidence. Congress just approved another four year extension of this, by the way. Our government does not care about us!
I've also got something to say concerning people who have hang-ups about Freddy. I actually saw someone comment in the hydroxy group, that he was not sure if he could trust a gun-toting Christian. Get over it people, if you don't trust proof, than I just don't know what to tell you. Are you still going to be pumping gas while all your friends are driving water-cars because the inventor was afraid for his life and legally carried a gun?
Even on PESN they complain that Freddy was not sharing the plans like he said, but absolutely all of what I have told you tonight is online, and I know it is because I live in a remote area, and the internet has been my only connection to the outside world for the last 8 years. He even released a solid works CAD design layout of the unit, in complete 3-D, which actually plays like a video to give you an ultimate view of the production unit, as well as the exact dimensions of every single piece. I got this right off yahoo groups Freddy cell study group, right where he said it would be. But I can tell you right now, you're not going to be able to make that unit in your garage unless you happen to have a machine shop in your garage, next to your welder and your pipe cutter, and your frequency analyzer, that's across from your electronics bench, where you'll be developing your PWM and soldering micro circuitry. In my opinion, $5,500 bucks is a steal of a deal.
There are pipe kits available at hydrogengarage.com, for around 400 bucks, as well as various PWM's for around 160. Don't attempt to use the pool filter housing with this, they're not suitable to take the heat and pressure cycles, and will eventually crack and fail. Black abs pipe or something else made to take the abuse would be better. There are a number of things to try…Good luck with that.
So realize this guy is pretty bias..but he also says things i can agree on. As long as you play it save...spark arrestors and no high pressure i think you can take some of his way of approaching this.
The 100% way is still a bit out of our reach, but i think also that HHO plus H2Odamp is a 100% way..cause both are non polluting and the second one is even more free.... a bit free plus a lot free still adds up as decently free? ;)
