Quote from nbq201 on June 2nd, 2012, 10:21 PM

One of the misnomers in Stan's work is that when he says "Laser Energy" and
using "Semiconductor Lasers" when he is actually referring to LED's... When you look at the "Gas Gun" photos you can see the 22 ohm resistors and the RED LED's he used for the construction... but all appear to be just LED's.

I just did a random search about this and here's what I found... and this may be what stan was referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_diode
"A laser diode is a laser whose active medium is a semiconductor similar to that found in a light-emitting diode. The most common type of laser diode is formed from a p-n junction and powered by injected electric current. The former devices are sometimes referred to as injection laser diodes to distinguish them from optically pumped laser diodes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser
The term "laser" originated as an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

By the way... This sounds like it should be in another thread... *shrug* might as well post it here. :)

Quote from Ravenous Emu on June 2nd, 2012, 10:59 PM

Quote from nbq201 on June 2nd, 2012, 10:21 PM

One of the misnomers in Stan's work is that when he says "Laser Energy" and
using "Semiconductor Lasers" when he is actually referring to LED's... When you look at the "Gas Gun" photos you can see the 22 ohm resistors and the RED LED's he used for the construction... but all appear to be just LED's.

I just did a random search about this and here's what I found... and this may be what stan was referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_diode
"A laser diode is a laser whose active medium is a semiconductor similar to that found in a light-emitting diode. The most common type of laser diode is formed from a p-n junction and powered by injected electric current. The former devices are sometimes referred to as injection laser diodes to distinguish them from optically pumped laser diodes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser
The term "laser" originated as an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

By the way... This sounds like it should be in another thread... *shrug* might as well post it here. :)

post it here:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=89

thanks!

Oh! Hmmmm, I never thought of the gas gun as a laser before, but it does do the same function as a laser! All up until the point of releasing photons. We try to take away the electrons before they can go back to a grounded state and emit a photon.

Hey Russ, have you ever tried to make an HHO laser out of the gas gun to see if it works? Or have you ever seen the HGG glow from the gas and not from the leds?

In the schematic below, leds have replaced the flash tube, and the HHO gas is the ruby rod.

Quote from BAM5 on June 3rd, 2012, 12:41 PM

Oh! Hmmmm, I never thought of the gas gun as a laser before, but it does do the same function as a laser! All up until the point of releasing photons. We try to take away the electrons before they can go back to a grounded state and emit a photon.

Hey Russ, have you ever tried to make an HHO laser out of the gas gun to see if it works? Or have you ever seen the HGG glow from the gas and not from the leds?

In the schematic below, leds have replaced the flash tube, and the HHO gas is the ruby rod.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_laser

Quote from Vulcain67 on June 3rd, 2012, 11:18 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_laser

What about it?

HI
Q:
One of the misnomers in Stan's work is that when he says "Laser Energy" and
using "Semiconductor Lasers" when he is actually referring to LED's. I don't know why he did this. Especially for the "Gas Gun" he referred to in as a "laser" in most of his documentation. In "Birth Of A New Technology", page 23, he shows this diagram with an LED Array with "Laser Energy" emitted from the LED's. When you look at the "Gas Gun" photos you can see the 22 ohm resistors and the RED LED's he used for the construction. They may be "pulsed" on and off at freqency, but all appear to be just LED's. I've looked at the diagrams for the "Laser Distributor" and it also appears to be a LED and interrupting disc system (like a mouse) for the timing and firing order. Stan and Stephen are seen in the video released from last year testing the firing order of the system using the "laser distributor".
Q.
Can, in time of stan's work  be available to him ( produced ) laser led's like today are? Or hi can only got red and infrared led ( not laser led ) ?
sorry for english
andy

Quote from BAM5 on June 3rd, 2012, 12:41 PM

Oh! Hmmmm, I never thought of the gas gun as a laser before, but it does do the same function as a laser! All up until the point of releasing photons. We try to take away the electrons before they can go back to a grounded state and emit a photon.

Hey Russ, have you ever tried to make an HHO laser out of the gas gun to see if it works? Or have you ever seen the HGG glow from the gas and not from the leds?

In the schematic below, leds have replaced the flash tube, and the HHO gas is the ruby rod.

hummm interesting... :)

also yes the gas gun kinda is a laser but its really an accelerator and an ionizer...

bu that laser looks cool!

for those interested the VIC... its done:
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=119&pid=5652#pid5652

but i got to reduce it all! lol burned it up

~Russ

Quote from andy on June 4th, 2012, 03:05 AM

HI
Q:
One of the misnomers in Stan's work is that when he says "Laser Energy" and
using "Semiconductor Lasers" when he is actually referring to LED's. I don't know why he did this. Especially for the "Gas Gun" he referred to in as a "laser" in most of his documentation. In "Birth Of A New Technology", page 23, he shows this diagram with an LED Array with "Laser Energy" emitted from the LED's. When you look at the "Gas Gun" photos you can see the 22 ohm resistors and the RED LED's he used for the construction. They may be "pulsed" on and off at freqency, but all appear to be just LED's. I've looked at the diagrams for the "Laser Distributor" and it also appears to be a LED and interrupting disc system (like a mouse) for the timing and firing order. Stan and Stephen are seen in the video released from last year testing the firing order of the system using the "laser distributor".
Q.
Can, in time of stan's work  be available to him ( produced ) laser led's like today are? Or hi can only got red and infrared led ( not laser led ) ?
sorry for english
andy

I don't want to cross thread.. read post #67 to see about this.
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=89&page=4

It would be interesting to try these injectors on a turbine setup as well, it would give you more flexibility for a single larger injector.  You'd think it would make the timing/gating of the water injection easier, it would be a continuously flow.  Anyone working on any type of microturbine being run from HHO?

Something like this would be cool to try it on, it's already setup for multiple fuel sources;
http://www.capstoneturbine.com/_docs/CAP1100_Drive%20Solution_Range%20Extender_LR.pdf

Quote from Badger on June 7th, 2012, 10:55 AM

It would be interesting to try these injectors on a turbine setup as well, it would give you more flexibility for a single larger injector.  You'd think it would make the timing/gating of the water injection easier, it would be a continuously flow.  Anyone working on any type of microturbine being run from HHO?

Something like this would be cool to try it on, it's already setup for multiple fuel sources;
http://www.capstoneturbine.com/_docs/CAP1100_Drive%20Solution_Range%20Extender_LR.pdf

hi, i think there will be many advancements as we go on.

In my work, research i also compared lasers as a type of epg system.

I have a very simple idea to test the laser energy of any hand held laser devise. Induction of light photon in a wound coil of  50 to 100 thousand turns. Tesla expressed the use of these type many winding coils.
Simple make a very small coil of very fine wire, similar to a trigger coil. and pulse the laser light through it, to find out if any induction may occur. If any one could try this it would help me understand a bit more on the epg.  As per say corona or plasma state magnetic fluid. or a simple rise in o3 production.


Thanks for the link, cheers.:D

Hello Freethisone, the EPG doesn't use laser light nor any type of light. It uses a charged gas. Since the gas is moving, and thus, the charge is moving it will create a magnetic field and that in turn will induce a current in the coils of the EPG.

Quote from BAM5 on June 8th, 2012, 12:03 AM

Hello Freethisone, the EPG doesn't use laser light nor any type of light. It uses a charged gas. Since the gas is moving, and thus, the charge is moving it will create a magnetic field and that in turn will induce a current in the coils of the EPG.

Well that's the theory :D, I have the laser and coil Freethisone is needing someone to test with, so I'll give it a try for him and post the results in the next few days, thanks Jeff.:cool::D:P

Yes there are many versions that Stan had created, single and multi-stage. some had motors, but the the newer models he was able to make the push the fluid magnetically with coils.  It looks like this is the one Russ has made.  Simiular to a  collider, or "cyclotron",  but this is different in many respects.

Yes there are many versions that Stan had created, single and multi-stage. some had motors, but the the newer models he was able to make the push the fluid magnetically with coils.  It looks like this is the one Russ has made.  Simiular to a  collider, or "cyclotron",  but this is different in many respects.

Hi All,
  I thought I'd give an update on what is happening with the injector build.
  Well the first piece is completed that piece is the center section with the quenching chamber. You can see that in the 3d pictures. The ball and spring is not installed yet. That piece was built pretty much without a hitch, wish I could say the same for the lower case.
  It sure seemed like it would be a much simpler piece to build, bore a hole right.
Well I did that but I could not get it to bore without some taper to it. So i found a ream I thought I could square out the hole and get the taper out of it. It was working fine till it got stuck. It was a really old ream and not too sharp like the one that was running it. To make a long story short it came out but not without a few scrapes inside the hole. So back to the the boring bar.
  The hole is square now and it's time to put inside threads on the one open end.
No problem right? I bore the hole to the size I think is right, you have to remember that these thread sizes are not the standard issue. I'm not quite done and the lathe decides not to start up, great, I take a week to figure out that it is the start capacitors.
  This Lathe weighs 4 million pounds and the capacitor box is in the leg of the lathe along with the motor up against the wall with very little access to unbolt stuff, and I didn't want to move a 5 million pound lathe.
If you wait long enough someone comes along and feels sorry for you or they need something done bad enough that they invest some motivational force to get you going to get done what you didn't want to do plus get some more done that you didn't want to do. And just so happens that's what happened.
  I'll spare you the details about all that but I did get the lathe fixed.
So now finish cutting the hole for the threads, no problem, right, wrong.
I'm boring away I'm not taking a large cut I'm looking at the dial indicator to tell me when to stop cutting so I'm not looking at the actual work being done but when I do  Auw No, what happened? Somehow I didn't notice that the clearance
on the tool wasn't there and it scraped the bore and tore it up pretty good really pretty bad. The only thing left to do is finish boring the hole I only have about .009
left to cut out it looked really slim that I could salvage this, but no it don't look half bad a little big the first .100 but that should be ok.
  Next step thread the bore back .550. This is where the real trouble starts I'm cutting threads with this real delicate cutting tip turning the lathe at 14 rpm everthing looks good. Now comes the time to check the first part to the second part that I'm working on. It doesn't even start, that's ok keep cutting threads.
I take a few more cuts and try the part again, it goes in almost half way. Well what do I do? I'll try lapping the threads in with compound, hmm i don't have any compund, hmm I'll make some. So over to the grinder and get some grinding wheel
dust and mix with oil and whalah lapping compound, more like supper sieze.
I'm being carefull I turn the part back and forth nice and easy it's working yha!
Oops it's stuck, stuck like really stuck, great i'm going to ruin two parts at the same time. Lord help me Jesus really I know how serious this is I'll be good honest.
It comes out, there is some damage to the threads on the first piece but it's ok.
 Not making fun here I am a Christian and i do take it seriously.
After resting for a few minutes by the way this process is taking hours I start up the lathe and see something I didn't want to see the part has a slight wobble to it.
Did it turn slightly in the chuck? If it did the threading tool won't match the threads
in the part all is ruined again. The only thing to do is check the alighnment,I turn the chuck by hand for the 80 millionth time and carfully see if the tool is in the groove. I can't see it I'm too blind even with a magnifying glass so what do I do, somthing stupid of course I turn the chuck backward, right, to get the tool back in the open hoping that I can see where it had been. Wrong you don't turn the chuck backward crunch went the tool Nooooo Nooooo Noooo how dumb now what do I do. Wow looks like it's still lined up too bad it's broken time to finally trash this part.
  Just a couple more cuts and it would have been done. You know if you look real close you can see that the front edge of the tool still has an edge, no,  yes, no, yes  who can tell let's try it. Well after all that and i can assure you there was more adventure the part was salvaged and by the looks of it without any outward sighn of trouble.
   Hope everyones life is as successfull as this adventure was for me,
Thanks, Scot
 
 

Quote from scot on July 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM

Hi All,
  I thought I'd give an update on what is happening with the injector build.
  Well the first piece is completed that piece is the center section with the quenching chamber. You can see that in the 3d pictures. The ball and spring is not installed yet. That piece was built pretty much without a hitch, wish I could say the same for the lower case.
  It sure seemed like it would be a much simpler piece to build, bore a hole right.
Well I did that but I could not get it to bore without some taper to it. So i found a ream I thought I could square out the hole and get the taper out of it. It was working fine till it got stuck. It was a really old ream and not too sharp like the one that was running it. To make a long story short it came out but not without a few scrapes inside the hole. So back to the the boring bar.
  The hole is square now and it's time to put inside threads on the one open end.
No problem right? I bore the hole to the size I think is right, you have to remember that these thread sizes are not the standard issue. I'm not quite done and the lathe decides not to start up, great, I take a week to figure out that it is the start capacitors.
  This Lathe weighs 4 million pounds and the capacitor box is in the leg of the lathe along with the motor up against the wall with very little access to unbolt stuff, and I didn't want to move a 5 million pound lathe.
If you wait long enough someone comes along and feels sorry for you or they need something done bad enough that they invest some motivational force to get you going to get done what you didn't want to do plus get some more done that you didn't want to do. And just so happens that's what happened.
  I'll spare you the details about all that but I did get the lathe fixed.
So now finish cutting the hole for the threads, no problem, right, wrong.
I'm boring away I'm not taking a large cut I'm looking at the dial indicator to tell me when to stop cutting so I'm not looking at the actual work being done but when I do  Auw No, what happened? Somehow I didn't notice that the clearance
on the tool wasn't there and it scraped the bore and tore it up pretty good really pretty bad. The only thing left to do is finish boring the hole I only have about .009
left to cut out it looked really slim that I could salvage this, but no it don't look half bad a little big the first .100 but that should be ok.
  Next step thread the bore back .550. This is where the real trouble starts I'm cutting threads with this real delicate cutting tip turning the lathe at 14 rpm everthing looks good. Now comes the time to check the first part to the second part that I'm working on. It doesn't even start, that's ok keep cutting threads.
I take a few more cuts and try the part again, it goes in almost half way. Well what do I do? I'll try lapping the threads in with compound, hmm i don't have any compund, hmm I'll make some. So over to the grinder and get some grinding wheel
dust and mix with oil and whalah lapping compound, more like supper sieze.
I'm being carefull I turn the part back and forth nice and easy it's working yha!
Oops it's stuck, stuck like really stuck, great i'm going to ruin two parts at the same time. Lord help me Jesus really I know how serious this is I'll be good honest.
It comes out, there is some damage to the threads on the first piece but it's ok.
 Not making fun here I am a Christian and i do take it seriously.
After resting for a few minutes by the way this process is taking hours I start up the lathe and see something I didn't want to see the part has a slight wobble to it.
Did it turn slightly in the chuck? If it did the threading tool won't match the threads
in the part all is ruined again. The only thing to do is check the alighnment,I turn the chuck by hand for the 80 millionth time and carfully see if the tool is in the groove. I can't see it I'm too blind even with a magnifying glass so what do I do, somthing stupid of course I turn the chuck backward, right, to get the tool back in the open hoping that I can see where it had been. Wrong you don't turn the chuck backward crunch went the tool Nooooo Nooooo Noooo how dumb now what do I do. Wow looks like it's still lined up too bad it's broken time to finally trash this part.
  Just a couple more cuts and it would have been done. You know if you look real close you can see that the front edge of the tool still has an edge, no,  yes, no, yes  who can tell let's try it. Well after all that and i can assure you there was more adventure the part was salvaged and by the looks of it without any outward sighn of trouble.
   Hope everyones life is as successfull as this adventure was for me,
Thanks, Scot

Hi Scot, been there done that, I know exactly what you mean, anyone who has done lathe or milling work can sympathies with your adventure, Jeff.

Quote from scot on July 6th, 2012, 01:00 PM

Hi All,
  I thought I'd give an update on what is happening with the injector build.
  Well the first piece is completed that piece is the center section with the quenching chamber. You can see that in the 3d pictures. The ball and spring is not installed yet. That piece was built pretty much without a hitch, wish I could say the same for the lower case.
  It sure seemed like it would be a much simpler piece to build, bore a hole right.
Well I did that but I could not get it to bore without some taper to it. So i found a ream I thought I could square out the hole and get the taper out of it. It was working fine till it got stuck. It was a really old ream and not too sharp like the one that was running it. To make a long story short it came out but not without a few scrapes inside the hole. So back to the the boring bar.
  The hole is square now and it's time to put inside threads on the one open end.
No problem right? I bore the hole to the size I think is right, you have to remember that these thread sizes are not the standard issue. I'm not quite done and the lathe decides not to start up, great, I take a week to figure out that it is the start capacitors.
  This Lathe weighs 4 million pounds and the capacitor box is in the leg of the lathe along with the motor up against the wall with very little access to unbolt stuff, and I didn't want to move a 5 million pound lathe.
If you wait long enough someone comes along and feels sorry for you or they need something done bad enough that they invest some motivational force to get you going to get done what you didn't want to do plus get some more done that you didn't want to do. And just so happens that's what happened.
  I'll spare you the details about all that but I did get the lathe fixed.
So now finish cutting the hole for the threads, no problem, right, wrong.
I'm boring away I'm not taking a large cut I'm looking at the dial indicator to tell me when to stop cutting so I'm not looking at the actual work being done but when I do  Auw No, what happened? Somehow I didn't notice that the clearance
on the tool wasn't there and it scraped the bore and tore it up pretty good really pretty bad. The only thing left to do is finish boring the hole I only have about .009
left to cut out it looked really slim that I could salvage this, but no it don't look half bad a little big the first .100 but that should be ok.
  Next step thread the bore back .550. This is where the real trouble starts I'm cutting threads with this real delicate cutting tip turning the lathe at 14 rpm everthing looks good. Now comes the time to check the first part to the second part that I'm working on. It doesn't even start, that's ok keep cutting threads.
I take a few more cuts and try the part again, it goes in almost half way. Well what do I do? I'll try lapping the threads in with compound, hmm i don't have any compund, hmm I'll make some. So over to the grinder and get some grinding wheel
dust and mix with oil and whalah lapping compound, more like supper sieze.
I'm being carefull I turn the part back and forth nice and easy it's working yha!
Oops it's stuck, stuck like really stuck, great i'm going to ruin two parts at the same time. Lord help me Jesus really I know how serious this is I'll be good honest.
It comes out, there is some damage to the threads on the first piece but it's ok.
 Not making fun here I am a Christian and i do take it seriously.
After resting for a few minutes by the way this process is taking hours I start up the lathe and see something I didn't want to see the part has a slight wobble to it.
Did it turn slightly in the chuck? If it did the threading tool won't match the threads
in the part all is ruined again. The only thing to do is check the alighnment,I turn the chuck by hand for the 80 millionth time and carfully see if the tool is in the groove. I can't see it I'm too blind even with a magnifying glass so what do I do, somthing stupid of course I turn the chuck backward, right, to get the tool back in the open hoping that I can see where it had been. Wrong you don't turn the chuck backward crunch went the tool Nooooo Nooooo Noooo how dumb now what do I do. Wow looks like it's still lined up too bad it's broken time to finally trash this part.
  Just a couple more cuts and it would have been done. You know if you look real close you can see that the front edge of the tool still has an edge, no,  yes, no, yes  who can tell let's try it. Well after all that and i can assure you there was more adventure the part was salvaged and by the looks of it without any outward sighn of trouble.
   Hope everyones life is as successfull as this adventure was for me,
Thanks, Scot

Oh scot! I love a good Machine shop story!!! As Jeff stated, there is allways one of these stories to tell of you ever used a lathe mill!!!

Thanks for the sorry! Glad you saved that part!!! My norm is... Well scrap that one! Lol

I mailed you that tapers end mill! Should have got it! Let me know! Take your time, work safe, and pray some more, ;)

Scot, I just want to say thank you much for all your doing, it's a blessing and we all can't thank you enugh, with out people
Like you in this world, we all would still be waiting for nothing!!!!

Blessings!

~Russ  

Wow that was quite the adventure!  I hope everything keeps going smoother for you.  I know I tried to use my lathe on an old wooden broom handle to practice and i screwed it up royally.   I couldnt even imagine doing threads.:P

Hi All,
Thanks for the encouragement.
I really do enjoy doing this stuff and most the time things work out well.
I'm not really tooled for stainless or real precision work so there is a little more pressure than usual but I like that too.
 Russ I have the mill hope to be using it today.
Getting pretty close to the finish. I think that maybe the porcilin part may have issues, could talk to you about that later i guess.
Thanks, Scot
PS, the broom handle or using wood is a good idea to practice with, you can set up a number of different situations and not break tooling if you mess up.

Quote from scot on July 7th, 2012, 09:03 AM

Hi All,
Thanks for the encouragement.
I really do enjoy doing this stuff and most the time things work out well.
I'm not really tooled for stainless or real precision work so there is a little more pressure than usual but I like that too.
 Russ I have the mill hope to be using it today.
Getting pretty close to the finish. I think that maybe the porcilin part may have issues, could talk to you about that later i guess.
Thanks, Scot
PS, the broom handle or using wood is a good idea to practice with, you can set up a number of different situations and not break tooling if you mess up.

Scot, take your time with that end mill. And try it on somthing else first for vibration. I think it will want to vibrate. Ps. If you brake it. Let me know. I will send you another one.

Best of luck! Call you this comming week.

Blessings and god bless!
~Russ

have you ever seen this type of injector???? It looks very similar to what you are doing now...


Ken

Quote from ken black on July 7th, 2012, 12:14 PM

have you ever seen this type of injector???? It looks very similar to what you are doing now...


Ken

Looks like one of Stan Meyer's designs, for heating ones home.

Quote from ken black on July 7th, 2012, 12:14 PM

have you ever seen this type of injector???? It looks very similar to what you are doing now...


Ken

hi ken, thats directly from stans patents and documentations.

see here for them all:

http://rwgresearch.com/open-projects/stanley-meyers-wfc-tec/patents-documents/

thanks, ~Russ

Hey Russ,
I just broke the tip of the tapered end mill, I was being very careful.
One thing I did that may have not been the right thing to do was to pre drill with a
.089" drill.
 I think it can be reground, maybe we can ask about the predrilling I did and maybe they can grind it a little different to accomidate that hole.
Soory, Thanks, Scot

Quote from scot on July 8th, 2012, 10:46 AM

Hey Russ,
I just broke the tip of the tapered end mill, I was being very careful.
One thing I did that may have not been the right thing to do was to pre drill with a
.089" drill.
 I think it can be reground, maybe we can ask about the predrilling I did and maybe they can grind it a little different to accomidate that hole.
Soory, Thanks, Scot

hi scot when the hole is that small it would be aswell to use the end mill on its own i take it there is no tip cutter on your end mill now if the end mill will still do your job i would grind the front of it flat and make your hole just big enought to let it start this new hole will allow for the missing tip cutters and it will act as a slot mill