Hi, 'HMS-776'

I'd like to know if you had success with WFC injector, by the way, You can use the pump used in the methanol water system.

Thanks for sharing your experiences with us.

Shainagua

Shainagua,

I will be sharing my results but I would expect to see others getting things going before me.

Right now I'm trying to get the funds needed to finish the injector setup. I am selling some of my other projects.

It will be a few weeks before I get everything put together.

Hello every one,

I'd like to post my current progress on the injector.

Attached is a picture of the insulator (not fully machined yet) made of Teflon and my probe that is lathed down to the 2.2~° point described in the prints. I have polished this with a cloth wheel and caulk. Very slick! Going on my own dimensions for the rest though, just for proof of concept. Going to use my ham radio that put out up to 100watts if necessary from anything between 0-30Mhz, this should provide some good results. Also I am going to try and do something with my neon transformer, rectified and perhaps try 240VAC? If I screw up my probe, I can build them by the dozens, but the housings not so much. I will probably experiment with just a simple spray nozzle like in another post that suggests paint sprayer. Get a gap that is sufficient that wont cause direct arcing but still electrolysis and yet potent enough to ignite the gases, pump enough water through to see if we can't make a torch.

Thought about using a direct injector from modern day cars as they have their own way of producing high pressures or regulating high pressures. Also for the steam or water vapor I've been bouncing ideas off of co-workers about using piezo-electric humidification.

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Quote from VWType181 on August 7th, 2012, 11:42 PM

Hello every one,

I'd like to post my current progress on the injector.

Attached is a picture of the insulator (not fully machined yet) made of Teflon and my probe that is lathed down to the 2.2~° point described in the prints. I have polished this with a cloth wheel and caulk. Very slick! Going on my own dimensions for the rest though, just for proof of concept. Going to use my ham radio that put out up to 100watts if necessary from anything between 0-30Mhz, this should provide some good results. Also I am going to try and do something with my neon transformer, rectified and perhaps try 240VAC? If I screw up my probe, I can build them by the dozens, but the housings not so much. I will probably experiment with just a simple spray nozzle like in another post that suggests paint sprayer. Get a gap that is sufficient that wont cause direct arcing but still electrolysis and yet potent enough to ignite the gases, pump enough water through to see if we can't make a torch.

Thought about using a direct injector from modern day cars as they have their own way of producing high pressures or regulating high pressures. Also for the steam or water vapor I've been bouncing ideas off of co-workers about using piezo-electric humidification.


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Good looking work.:cool::D

Yeah, I'm liking it a lot! Tried the quenching circuits as well, however i think my tool steel was tipped a little and it broke off. Will give it another shot tonight. Maybe use a fly cutter instead of the lathe.

BTW, I didn't have to mark my chuck on the lathe. Just use a torpedo level on each of the three jaws of the chuck, works great!

My positive probe is 3/16 rod, Teflon larger diameter is 1/2 smaller is 3/8.

I'll keep u guys up to date!

VWType181,

How are you going to be making the injectors quenching circuit?

Are you making it like the original Meyer injector?

Yes very similar to original, however standard measurements, and my probe ended up a little longer than to drawings.

Thought about using cintered bronze but wasn't sure on corrosion.

I used a block of 3/8 x3/8 tool steel, ground it down to .01" thick just on the end. Chucked up my part with the circular water channel already machined. Then put lathe in a really low gear to prevent turning. Put torpedo level on each jaw of chuck, shaved off .0015" with the tool until .01" was acheived with a mag mounted dial indicator.

I'll post pictures tonight of each step. Got the inner body and insulator done. Just have to thread the inner body for retension nut and outer body.

But like I said I will post pics tonight when I get back to it.

Next week I won't get anywhere on this because I will be on a different shift. But the following week, back at it!

73's

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Here you can see that I was able to put the level on the jaw of the chuck and then keep it level. I then ran the carriage forward and back while increasing the depth of the tool by .0015"
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Here is a close up on the tooling/cutting.
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And final product, just a prototype, I think the next one i will get the 0.010" end mill and use the CNC!
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Quote from VWType181 on August 9th, 2012, 04:41 PM

Yes very similar to original, however standard measurements, and my probe ended up a little longer than to drawings.

Thought about using cintered bronze but wasn't sure on corrosion.

I used a block of 3/8 x3/8 tool steel, ground it down to .01" thick just on the end. Chucked up my part with the circular water channel already machined. Then put lathe in a really low gear to prevent turning. Put torpedo level on each jaw of chuck, shaved off .0015" with the tool until .01" was acheived with a mag mounted dial indicator.

I'll post pictures tonight of each step. Got the inner body and insulator done. Just have to thread the inner body for retension nut and outer body.

But like I said I will post pics tonight when I get back to it.

Next week I won't get anywhere on this because I will be on a different shift. But the following week, back at it!

73's

i love night shift ;)

good work here all! ~Russ

Quote from VWType181 on August 9th, 2012, 04:41 PM

Yes very similar to original, however standard measurements, and my probe ended up a little longer than to drawings.

Thought about using cintered bronze but wasn't sure on corrosion.

I used a block of 3/8 x3/8 tool steel, ground it down to .01" thick just on the end. Chucked up my part with the circular water channel already machined. Then put lathe in a really low gear to prevent turning. Put torpedo level on each jaw of chuck, shaved off .0015" with the tool until .01" was acheived with a mag mounted dial indicator.

I'll post pictures tonight of each step. Got the inner body and insulator done. Just have to thread the inner body for retension nut and outer body.

But like I said I will post pics tonight when I get back to it.

Next week I won't get anywhere on this because I will be on a different shift. But the following week, back at it!

73's

-  edit  (found time)  -

Here you can see that I was able to put the level on the jaw of the chuck and then keep it level. I then ran the carriage forward and back while increasing the depth of the tool by .0015"


Here is a close up on the tooling/cutting.


And final product, just a prototype, I think the next one i will get the 0.010" end mill and use the CNC!

Some good looking work there.

So here is what i accomplished last night.....

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Pretty cool huh?

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I know, lost the water way path, or that ledge around the out side, but i figure if it causes problems i could take off the 10-20 thou and redo the quenching

Quote from VWType181 on August 10th, 2012, 06:13 AM

So here is what i accomplished last night.....



Pretty cool huh?



I know, lost the water way path, or that ledge around the out side, but i figure if it causes problems i could take off the 10-20 thou and redo the quenching

Cool stuff :cool::cool::cool::D:P

Quote from VWType181 on August 10th, 2012, 06:13 AM

So here is what i accomplished last night.....



Pretty cool huh?



I know, lost the water way path, or that ledge around the out side, but i figure if it causes problems i could take off the 10-20 thou and redo the quenching

Really Cool!!! Some Nice Work Man! Keep It Up!  ~Russ

Thank you for you work documenting your machining process.  These will help forum members
 alot to have a more confident attempt at making these,
please post as many pics as you can on machining steps even if boring

as it is very good to raise the common knowledge on how to over come the design issues in machining them.
and possible improvement to speed up process for future generations

Very good work it was great to see you make some positive progress well done.

Dan

Well, got moved to second shift and have been doing a lot of PLC backups lately, so not enough time to get back to this. Hoping within the next couple months I can. Its unfortunate that nobody else has posted for a while. I thought the program I used to get updates to my phone crashed, but there just hasn't been that much posted.

Still got to make the back cap and the front cap, I will probably thread the front cap so it will fit in a 5hp Tecumseh motor for testing reasons.

I seen that one of the members (can't remember who it is now because its been a couple months) are using an Arduino, I was going to suggest that as it is very versitle, i have one and i was going to use it for christmas light controller this year unless i get my inejector made.

Anyway happy expirementing, hope to hear from someone doing something awesome soon!

Quote from VWType181 on September 28th, 2012, 02:09 PM

Well, got moved to second shift and have been doing a lot of PLC backups lately, so not enough time to get back to this. Hoping within the next couple months I can. Its unfortunate that nobody else has posted for a while. I thought the program I used to get updates to my phone crashed, but there just hasn't been that much posted.

Still got to make the back cap and the front cap, I will probably thread the front cap so it will fit in a 5hp Tecumseh motor for testing reasons.

I seen that one of the members (can't remember who it is now because its been a couple months) are using an Arduino, I was going to suggest that as it is very versitle, i have one and i was going to use it for christmas light controller this year unless i get my inejector made.

Anyway happy expirementing, hope to hear from someone doing something awesome soon!

I was wondering what happened, Oh well, work and family come first. Still anxious to see what you come up with though, keep up the good work, Jeff.:cool::D:P

Quote from VWType181 on August 10th, 2012, 06:13 AM

So here is what i accomplished last night.....

That Looks Fantastic!  Nice Work! :D

Hello
there is another inyector:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8n0VTf1f-Y

my end has been slow but its coming along... ahhh, so much to do so little time... and yes family first! ~Russ

Hello everyone,

Been a while, bummer to see that the rest of you haven't been on in a while like me.  Was hoping that there was more going on here since last contact. I get RSS feeds on a few threads, but not all so i will have to look around. Is there still anyone out there that is working on this?

Found out in the last few months that my VW Thing has the original everything. So I will not be putting this system in it, however i do have a 2000cc motor out of a bus that i wouldn't mind expirementing with. Still trying to get my hands on some scrap stainless and delrin for people that need it. We throw it out like its 2 day old lettice.

Anyway, going to go  browse the rest of the site to see progress. Keep me updated!

Quote from VWType181 on January 24th, 2013, 08:25 PM

Hello everyone,

Been a while, bummer to see that the rest of you haven't been on in a while like me.  Was hoping that there was more going on here since last contact. I get RSS feeds on a few threads, but not all so i will have to look around. Is there still anyone out there that is working on this?

Found out in the last few months that my VW Thing has the original everything. So I will not be putting this system in it, however i do have a 2000cc motor out of a bus that i wouldn't mind expirementing with. Still trying to get my hands on some scrap stainless and delrin for people that need it. We throw it out like its 2 day old lettice.

Anyway, going to go  browse the rest of the site to see progress. Keep me updated!

Electro has been on YT allot showing his stuff.:D

Quote from Jeff Nading on January 24th, 2013, 08:36 PM

Quote from VWType181 on January 24th, 2013, 08:25 PM

Hello everyone,

Been a while, bummer to see that the rest of you haven't been on in a while like me.  Was hoping that there was more going on here since last contact. I get RSS feeds on a few threads, but not all so i will have to look around. Is there still anyone out there that is working on this?

Found out in the last few months that my VW Thing has the original everything. So I will not be putting this system in it, however i do have a 2000cc motor out of a bus that i wouldn't mind expirementing with. Still trying to get my hands on some scrap stainless and delrin for people that need it. We throw it out like its 2 day old lettice.

Anyway, going to go  browse the rest of the site to see progress. Keep me updated!

Electro has been on YT allot showing his stuff.:D

link? how to see ?
Hi

This section should be on 3d printer long ago
if you have skills to convert & post 3d Printer files for the injector parts

please post here

I believe t will help progress participants and new comers replications

Quote from securesupplies on February 6th, 2013, 03:36 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on January 24th, 2013, 08:36 PM

Quote from VWType181 on January 24th, 2013, 08:25 PM

Hello everyone,

Been a while, bummer to see that the rest of you haven't been on in a while like me.  Was hoping that there was more going on here since last contact. I get RSS feeds on a few threads, but not all so i will have to look around. Is there still anyone out there that is working on this?

Found out in the last few months that my VW Thing has the original everything. So I will not be putting this system in it, however i do have a 2000cc motor out of a bus that i wouldn't mind expirementing with. Still trying to get my hands on some scrap stainless and delrin for people that need it. We throw it out like its 2 day old lettice.

Anyway, going to go  browse the rest of the site to see progress. Keep me updated!

Electro has been on YT allot showing his stuff.:D

link? how to see ?

Hi

This section should be on 3d printer long ago
if you have skills to convert & post 3d Printer files for the injector parts

please post here

I believe t will help progress participants and new comers replications

I believe the 3D files already created can be used for printing as long as they are scaled correctly.  You may even be able to send the files to shapeways.com to have them printed in stainless steel. http://www.shapeways.com/materials/steel
 As for printing with current RepRap technology, they would not hold up to heat and pressure conditions of an internal combustion engine.

Nate

Quote from Jeff Nading on January 24th, 2013, 08:36 PM

Quote from VWType181 on January 24th, 2013, 08:25 PM

Hello everyone,

Been a while, bummer to see that the rest of you haven't been on in a while like me.  Was hoping that there was more going on here since last contact. I get RSS feeds on a few threads, but not all so i will have to look around. Is there still anyone out there that is working on this?

Found out in the last few months that my VW Thing has the original everything. So I will not be putting this system in it, however i do have a 2000cc motor out of a bus that i wouldn't mind expirementing with. Still trying to get my hands on some scrap stainless and delrin for people that need it. We throw it out like its 2 day old lettice.

Anyway, going to go  browse the rest of the site to see progress. Keep me updated!

Electro has been on YT allot showing his stuff.:D

Who is 'Electro'? and what is his stuff? did he do a lot with the injectors? I wanna see one as a miniature flame thrower! I have a co-worker that has a cnc lathe, so if i need something make quickly, i e-mail him the dxf/dwg/sti/etc and he can probably do it.

Well, anyway, i pop in once and a while to see what is going on, I have the forum set to e-mail me when a private message comes in, so don't hesitate to ask questions.

Here is an injector video from electro1622:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtFPhHDkl08

Quote from firepinto on February 8th, 2013, 08:47 PM

Here is an injector video from electro1622:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtFPhHDkl08

Need to get electro1622 to use my plasma spark generator and try again.  I think then you'll see some serious action.