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Happy Holidays Nav, thanks for the early Christmas present :thumbsup: :-D

Nav,

Congrats!!! , for what you ask?

Doing what this places and the world needs. Sharing. this place has been here to share information and to create a positive sharing environment.

whether your information is right or wrong, whether you are stepping on toes of not, in the end i feel you have the attitude that we all need to have. we all must join together and share what we can so we all can work toward a goal. a goal that will free our children, free those who are slaves to the power people.

in the end i congratulate you for stepping up and sharing what you have. This is how it should be around here. This is what this place is for. your attitude in this is golden.

God Bless. and keep on keeping on! in what ever you do next!

Merry Christmas

~Russ 

You're welcome.

BTW, has anyone noticed that the pickup coil is directly over the gap in the core. The pickup is sensing the flux bridge over the gap. If that gap is still saturated with flux during resonance and the core is open then the system is detuned. The pickup coil is looking for any sign of bridge saturation in the core gap during resonance and if it finds its still saturated it will use the CMOS chips to drive the PLL chip and either change frequency or duty cycle pulse width until the pickup coil senses that the core is closed during resonance. So it reduces input voltage until the gap is unsaturated and the core is shut down at resonance. Brilliant engineering Stan Meyer.

So this is proven to make gas the Meyer way ? ? You have a setup up and running now ? ?

....and here comes the clique. Bahahahaha

Quote from nav on December 8th, 2015, 02:19 PM

....and here comes the clique. Bahahahaha

I really do not understand your aggression towards me........

Quote from hydrofuelincanada on December 8th, 2015, 02:38 PM

I really do not understand your aggression towards me........

That wasn't aggression, I was just joking. Don't take it so seriously.

Nav, your not stealing any thunder from me at all, I have given everyone a chance at the thunder and still will in the future. The floor is all yours to explain things the way you see it.

Quote from nav on December 8th, 2015, 02:42 PM

That wasn't aggression, I was just joking. Don't take it so seriously.

Okay. Hard to get the context when in text form.

Neal

Quote from gpssonar on December 8th, 2015, 02:43 PM

Nav, your not stealing any thunder from me at all, I have given everyone a chance at the thunder and still will in the future. The floor is all yours to explain things the way you see it.

Well its an open source forum Ronnie. All information is for all to share.
BTW everybody, if you use stainless steel wire in your cell instead of copper wire, if you work out its resistance value per foot, you can wind the plastic plates in stainless steel wire instead of copper and still get the same reactance.
Meanwhile here is an interesting question: The pickup coil has the same turns ratio as the secondary and chokes in Stans VIC, the pickup coil is controlling the CMOS and the PLL that controls what frequency the primary is pulsing the VIC at. The question is, why does the pickup coil need the EXACT turns ratio as the other 3 coils? Ronnie, anyone?

Ask stc, that is in this thread watching. He seems to be interested in whats been talked about in all the threads that has anything to do with Stan Meyers Tech. I've never been able to get him to say anything.

Quote from gpssonar on December 8th, 2015, 03:05 PM

Ask stc, that is in this thread watching. He seems to be interested in whats been talked about in all the threads that has anything to do with Stan Meyers Tech. I've never been able to get him to say anything.

I don't know him Ronnie. Wouldn't you agree that the turns ratio of the pickup needs to match the turns ratio of the other 3 coils because the PLL needs to know how flux leakage across the core gap effects
those coils. So the PLL circuit will not intervene unless the core saturation is effecting the operation of those coils. You wouldn't want the PLL to respond to a tiny flux leakage would you? You'd only want it to respond to larger leaks that effect larger coils. Don't you agree Ronnie?

All I will say about this is, do you think the circuit that the feed back coil is feeding the information to that your talking about can handle that kind of coil voltage it will produce if they are the same ratio as the rest of the coils?

feedback coil will stay in the low voltage range but it could be necessary to let it produce higher voltage output that gets clipped by the anti-parallel diodes so that the circuit receives steeper edges from the feedback coil.

thanks for posting that info nav.
One way to confirm if your ideas match stans would be to compare the enamel capacitance of the injector vic coil to the capacitance of the injector voltage zone. Anyone got the values of those components at hand?

on this page
http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=1586.50

 I calculated the capacitance of distilled water in the injector voltage zone to be
approx 2nf  ( using one square inch plates with spacing of 0.01" between them, voltage zone has approx 1 sq inch surface area ( from memory)..
Whats the capacitance of the enamel in stans injector vic? ( anyone?)

Quote from gpssonar on December 8th, 2015, 03:39 PM

All I will say about this is, do you think the circuit that the feed back coil is feeding the information to that your talking about can handle that kind of coil voltage it will produce if they are the same ratio as the rest of the coils?

The current won't be high or the voltage on the pickup because the PLL adjusts the drive frequency so that the flux density never gets high enough to bridge the gap during resonance. That is the whole point, keeping the 3 coils isolated from the VIC core during resonance by constant probing and PLL switching thousands of times per second. The PLL will never allow high voltages. Also, don't forget the pickup is not in the isolated circuit or high voltage zone. The PLL is only switched on during the zero voltage stage of 5Khz and its sniffing the core for flux leakage.

Quote from brettly on December 9th, 2015, 02:23 AM

thanks for posting that info nav.
One way to confirm if your ideas match stans would be to compare the enamel capacitance of the injector vic coil to the capacitance of the injector voltage zone. Anyone got the values of those components at hand?

Delrin is 3.7
Bakelite is 3.7
Enamel is between 2 and 5 depending on the quality and number of layers.

Quote from nav on December 9th, 2015, 02:47 AM

The PLL is only switched on during the zero voltage stage of 5Khz and its sniffing the core for flux leakage.

Sorry if it's the obvious question here, but if I understand you correctly, the PLL would then be honed in to a zero flux and if it sees any, through the pickup coil, then it initiates changes in frequency and/or pulse width in order to get back to and maintain zero flux during zero voltage of the 5 KHz pulsing, could that possibly be in the neckar of woods of what you're saying here?

Quote from Lynx on December 9th, 2015, 03:15 AM

Sorry if it's the obvious question here, but if I understand you correctly, the PLL would then be honed in to a zero flux and if it sees any, through the pickup coil, then it initiates changes in frequency and/or pulse width in order to get back to and maintain zero flux during zero voltage of the 5 KHz pulsing, could that possibly be in the neckar of woods of what you're saying here?

Thats exactly right. Stan mentions it in his technical brief. The PLL pings the core at around 5Khz then measures the response in flux density across the gap in the core during V-. If the flux density is too high it keeps changing frequency or pulse width until it reads a satisfactory flux density. This keep the other 3 coils isolated from the core at resonance. Its very well engineered.
If you wanted to do it manually Lynx, you would use a mosfet hold off circuit connected to the output of the RCA 3055 through a milliamp meter. When you see the flux density rise during V- you can alter the pulse width or frequency manually until you see the meter drop.

i double checked the injector capacitance using this calculator
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Plate-Capacitor-Calculator.phtml
( using 1 sq inch area,  0.01inch gap, 78 dielectric value)
gives injector capacitance of 1.7nf  ( so 2nf is pretty close).
So to nav:
the vic coil that stan uses on the injector style water splitter, should have a capacitance of 1.7nf ( between coils/enamel) if your theory is correct. The injector vic is this one pictured  below,
anyone know the capacitance between wires for that vic? it should give an idea if your theory is correct, you gave enamel value of between 3 and 5, but you need the capacitance of the injector vic to see if theory is correct....?
or russ has a copy of stans injector vic shown in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMmGxhu77s
Does that makes sense nav? it would confirm your theory?

Quote from brettly on December 9th, 2015, 03:44 AM

i double checked the injector capacitance using this calculator
http://www.daycounter.com/Calculators/Plate-Capacitor-Calculator.phtml
( using 1 sq inch area,  0.01inch gap, 78 dielectric value)
gives injector capacitance of 1.7nf  ( so 2nf is pretty close).
So to nav:
the vic coil that stan uses on the injector style water splitter, should have a capacitance of 1.7nf ( between coils/enamel) if your theory is correct. The injector vic is this one pictured  below,
anyone know the capacitance between wires for that vic? it should give an idea if your theory is correct, you gave enamel value of between 3 and 5, but you need the capacitance of the injector vic to see if theory is correct....?
or russ has a copy of stans injector vic shown in this vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMmGxhu77s
Does that makes sense nav? it would confirm your theory?

I read the technical brief for the single wire brief not the bifilar coil set up. I'd need to look into it Bretty.

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