Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #25, on December 4th, 2013, 10:33 PM »Last edited on December 4th, 2013, 11:01 PM by Matt Watts
And the hits keep coming...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Vitaly_Shilov_QMoGen
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_ymmot1956_QMoGen
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Genaro_Tabag_QMoGen
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Thirugnanam_QMoGen
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Prakash_Kumar_Arumugam_350_kVA_QMoGen

So now that everyone and their brother knows how to make one of these systems, anyone here at this forum care to share their design?  I'd be happy to just see a description of the Shock-It LC Circuit for starters.  That would tickle me to no end to power my brute force Hydroxy cell using zero wall power.

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #26, on December 5th, 2013, 01:41 AM »Last edited on December 5th, 2013, 06:11 AM by geenee
that's right.if water act like resistor(bulbs)then we can make zero watts consumption from alternator.reactive power don't make alternator work hard or slow down that mean you can make brute force hho more and more.

reactive power can work with a car too.make 90 degree phase shift voltage and current,that is.alternator spin like no load.great to see more inventors about this devices.i will try too when i have a time.i am very happy to collect information.i am not good about make a thing,my skills is very bad.anyway i will do it.

thanks all.
geenee

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #27, on December 7th, 2013, 12:17 PM »
Quote from geenee on December 5th, 2013, 01:41 AM
that's right.if water act like resistor(bulbs)then we can make zero watts consumption from alternator.reactive power don't make alternator work hard or slow down that mean you can make brute force hho more and more.

reactive power can work with a car too.make 90 degree phase shift voltage and current,that is.alternator spin like no load.great to see more inventors about this devices.i will try too when i have a time.i am very happy to collect information.i am not good about make a thing,my skills is very bad.anyway i will do it.

thanks all.
geenee
I think we all should start with a unit like this and see where it gets us:
http://www.harborfreight.com/10000-watts-max-7200-watts-rated-belt-driven-generator-head-45416.html

If you read the latest Customer Review on that site, it appears homegentech has used this very unit to build him a self-powered system.

Guess I'll be making a trip to Harbor Freight this coming week.
RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #28, on December 9th, 2013, 05:28 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on December 7th, 2013, 12:17 PM
Guess I'll be making a trip to Harbor Freight this coming week.
Well, that particular generator isn't stocked, so I ordered one online.  Got my little induction motor all tuned and ready-to-go.  Now I just need some pulleys, a belt, a mount and some caps.  I have some big transformers already (imagine that).  So here goes...  We shall see what can be done.

I have a theory how this system may actually work; it's all based around the Delayed Lenz Effect--reference J.L. Naudin and Thane Heins.  My theory is that the generator produces a voltage potential, but what is needed is a device (caps & inductors) that delay the current flow to the load and again from the back EMF of the load to the generator.  If this delay is long enough, when the current gets back to the generator, the rotor has already rotated far enough that the current no longer opposes the rotation, but instead assists the rotation.

I won't go into where I think the energy comes from to make such a system possible--we'll figure that out in due time.  For now, it's experimenting time.  I'll get something assembled and start putting the info out there for you all to look over my shoulder.  Maybe this will be the ticket we have been searching for.  One can only hope.

Jeff Nading

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #29, on December 9th, 2013, 06:37 PM »
Quote from Matt Watts on December 9th, 2013, 05:28 PM
Quote from Matt Watts on December 7th, 2013, 12:17 PM
Guess I'll be making a trip to Harbor Freight this coming week.
Well, that particular generator isn't stocked, so I ordered one online.  Got my little induction motor all tuned and ready-to-go.  Now I just need some pulleys, a belt, a mount and some caps.  I have some big transformers already (imagine that).  So here goes...  We shall see what can be done.

I have a theory how this system may actually work; it's all based around the Delayed Lenz Effect--reference J.L. Naudin and Thane Heins.  My theory is that the generator produces a voltage potential, but what is needed is a device (caps & inductors) that delay the current flow to the load and again from the back EMF of the load to the generator.  If this delay is long enough, when the current gets back to the generator, the rotor has already rotated far enough that the current no longer opposes the rotation, but instead assists the rotation.

I won't go into where I think the energy comes from to make such a system possible--we'll figure that out in due time.  For now, it's experimenting time.  I'll get something assembled and start putting the info out there for you all to look over my shoulder.  Maybe this will be the ticket we have been searching for.  One can only hope.
Sounds like a plan Matt, I'm looking forward to this one. Maybe you have truly hit upon something here, hope so.:cool::D:P

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #30, on December 9th, 2013, 07:43 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on December 9th, 2013, 06:37 PM
Sounds like a plan Matt, I'm looking forward to this one. Maybe you have truly hit upon something here, hope so.:cool::D:P
Yeah, I'm hoping too I'm not clear out in left field with this one.  I'd love to have Russ start the new and improved Q-Mo-Gen Buildoff 2014.  Anything that works you get to keep and power your house with.  hehe.  Prizes will be awarded to the ones that use the most colorful paint scheme.  haha.  Sometimes I crack myself up.  :D
RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #31, on December 10th, 2013, 05:51 PM »Last edited on December 10th, 2013, 06:40 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from Mogir Jason Rofick on December 10th, 2013, 02:18 PM
I found this one on Luc Choquette's YouTube page.
Zero power draw from the grid, with a toroid transformer heating a resister.
0 watts in, 10 watts out.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuBAN9uf7Uo

I scrounged up as much as I could from the video:
PLITRON http://www.plitron.com/
Model 07A026000 (formerly ILP Model 7A026) (80VCT@3.75A).

Set of capacitors in series off 1 lead of the grid outlet. But the caps are run parallel to each other.
15 micro farads
8 micro farad
.4 mocro farad (for fine tuning)

The Load

So, no reason not to go strait off the grid for free brute force HHO generation.
Delayed Lenz Effect activated by swinging the current 90 degrees away from the voltage using nothing more than a set of non-polarized capacitors and a transformer.  Isn't that cool.  Everything has been there right at our fingertips all along and we never thought to defy our masters.  Unbelievable.  We probably deserve a swift kick in the as$ for that.

Well, Tom Bearden has said for years we build these ridiculous electrical systems that kill the very dipole we create to get the energy out.  Maybe we can finally learn our lesson and start building electrical systems that don't do that anymore.  Seems smart to me.  Though I know our energy buddies aren't going to be very happy about that.  Trouble for them is, the horse has already left the barn.

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #32, on December 10th, 2013, 10:23 PM »Last edited on December 10th, 2013, 11:57 PM by geenee
Great video,Mogir Jason Rofick.that is very simple test from Luc.
this is circuit diagram;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqDdr4UERx0

how to calculate capacitance and inductance for making 90 degree out off phase with 60hz or 50hz???

i tried to use LC resonant calculator but it is not.

from above video,C=24uF,L=35mH,resonant freq=173.65 hz.
but 90 degree out of phase at 60Hz???

how to calculate that???

that 's right,Matt Watts.we can bring it in or breakthrough.big brother don't happy but we happy.knowledge can bring us to be better life.flight for family.IMHO.

thanks
geenee




Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #33, on December 11th, 2013, 12:07 AM »Last edited on December 11th, 2013, 12:16 AM by Matt Watts
Quote from geenee on December 10th, 2013, 10:23 PM
how to calculate capacitance and inductance for making 90 degree out off phase with 60hz or 50hz???

i tried to use LC resonant calculator but it is not.

from above video,C=24uF,L=35mH,resonant freq=173.65 hz.
but 90 degree out of phase at 60Hz???
I think you almost got it geenee.  173 Hz would be a time constant of 5.78 ms for a complete (360 degree) cycle.  Now for 60 Hz, you have 16.7 ms.  Lets look at just a quarter cycle (90 degrees).  For 60 Hz you have 4.17 ms.  So to get current to be 90 degrees out of phase, we need something to delay the current by 4.17 ms.

Hmmm, maybe it's not just an LC circuit, maybe it's an RC circuit, or possibly even an LRC circuit.  Anyway, I think you can see what we are trying to do here.  We need to find a time constant equal to 1/4 of the input power cycle.  We know a conventional transformer with no load on the secondary will already be at 90 degrees out of phase and as we apply a resistive load to the secondary, that will drop to less than 90 degrees and go to zero at some point as we increase the load.  With only a 10 ohm resister we may be at 45 degrees with no capacitor.  We just don't know because we didn't see a baseline demonstrated in the video.

Anyway, with a little experimenting, I think we can zero-in on what factors allow us to adjust in the right direction.  What is certain is the components we use must change depending on the load we apply.  So make the load static, the transformer static and adjust the capacitor until we hit 90 degrees, then record everything and try again with a different load.  Once we have 3 to 5 sets of numbers, we can calculate (curve fit) from a line chart any size capacitor needed for whatever load we plan to use.  I think that is the scientific method.  It's worked for me before many times.
RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #34, on December 11th, 2013, 06:49 AM »
Quote from Mogir Jason Rofick on December 11th, 2013, 05:35 AM
I think an excellent test would be to see what can be accomplished using this type of circuit run off of a 12 volt auto battery powering a 12 volt DC to 120 volt, 60Hz AC auto inverter.

First test the inverter draw by itself, then with the circuit and the load.

It might prove a way towards true energy independence.

Mogir
Yes!   That would be an excellent idea to discover if a typical true sine wave inverter responds to reactive power the same as a generator.  And a much cheaper solution in the long run.
RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #35, on December 11th, 2013, 01:09 PM »Last edited on December 11th, 2013, 07:44 PM by Matt Watts
Time to get serious about this:
http://pesn.com/2013/12/06/9602400_Open-letter-to-QMoGen-developers/

OpenSource Project Page:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_QMoGen_Open_Source_Project


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrPkAAfWB8I

Looking at the simple McQueen schematic, we see an AC generator driving a AC to DC power supply and then a DC motor.  Seems to me with a Shock-It LC circuit between or inside the AC to DC power supply any number of variations of this device could be made regardless of what McQueen states in his interview with Sterling.


Pretty sure it's all about tuning into the 90 degree out-of-phase reactive power.

freethisone

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #36, on December 12th, 2013, 02:30 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on December 11th, 2013, 01:09 PM
Time to get serious about this:
http://pesn.com/2013/12/06/9602400_Open-letter-to-QMoGen-developers/

OpenSource Project Page:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_QMoGen_Open_Source_Project


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrPkAAfWB8I

Looking at the simple McQueen schematic, we see an AC generator driving a AC to DC power supply and then a DC motor.  Seems to me with a Shock-It LC circuit between or inside the AC to DC power supply any number of variations of this device could be made regardless of what McQueen states in his interview with Sterling.


Pretty sure it's all about tuning into the 90 degree out-of-phase reactive power.
/watch?v=TI1ewn5Qwts

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #37, on December 12th, 2013, 11:19 AM »Last edited on December 12th, 2013, 09:18 PM by geenee
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_Nigerian_QMoGen_Plans

added this.

i have a question about Mcqueen.why he didn't make any products???until now maybe somethings wrong?

thanks
geenee

freethisone

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #38, on December 13th, 2013, 05:48 AM »Last edited on December 13th, 2013, 05:49 AM by freethisone
/watch?v=89o8rx-jHRE

/watch?v=TI1ewn5Qwts

i back up his claims. the back emf. in other experiments i had made larger back spikes.

i think a magnetic gap will do the same thing.  magnetic vacume type gap.

even on static we see it is the back emf that must be overcome.

resistance. find why and how.

gotoluc

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #39, on December 29th, 2013, 05:45 PM »Last edited on December 29th, 2013, 05:47 PM by gotoluc
Hi everyone,

this is Luc Choquette (gotoluc)

I decided to join this site in hopes to help anyone who would need assistance in replicating an interesting effect I found some years back when a certain value of capacitor is connected in series in an AC circuit.

For the past 2 months I had been using a microwave oven transformer is part of the circuit but have recently concluded it is not necessary.

Yesterday I made 2 Tutorial Demo video to share the most up to date information. These videos serve as demos and tutorials to help anyone who maybe interested in replicating the effect without countless hours of experiments.

Please use most of the information and test techniques in the below videos as all the previous videos are now out of date.

Tutorial 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hr2C1vvvx4&feature=youtu.be

Tutorial 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6SaAjQaLkM&feature=youtu.be

Hope this helps answer most questions!

All the best in your experiments

Luc

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #40, on December 29th, 2013, 09:41 PM »
great to see you here,Luc.

i appreciate that.

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #41, on December 30th, 2013, 01:05 AM »Last edited on December 30th, 2013, 01:28 AM by Matt Watts
Yes, welcome aboard Luc.

If I get this thing figured out, it will be all because of your great videos.  I'm pretty close, just need a tad bit bigger motor to overcome the exciter in the generator and then I think we'll see something here.  And yes, you are correct, the inductor doesn't really help any.  It all looks to me like low resistance and the proper capacitor size.

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For the moment, I can easily drive a 100 watt light bulb without affecting the generator at all.  I suspect once I get to about 500 watts and switch the motor out, then I'll be in the ballpark for some looping experiments.  Could be a couple weeks though, I need to be pretty sure of the input resistance before I place my order--a couple of ohms too much and I'll probably be outside the window.


I highly recommend folks play with this simulator--saves on parts and accidents:
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-capac.html

What you are shooting for is a circuit that keeps the AC input in full reactive power mode while pulling off the right amount of power for the resistance of the load you chose.  The last thing you adjust is the capacitor.

Jeff Nading

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #42, on December 30th, 2013, 02:51 PM »
I can see it all happening, 2014's going to be the year. :P:P

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #43, on December 30th, 2013, 05:40 PM »
Quote from Jeff Nading on December 30th, 2013, 02:51 PM
I can see it all happening, 2014's going to be the year. :P:P
And you are going to love the circuit I'm working on right now.  I'll probably make a video to better describe it.

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #44, on December 30th, 2013, 08:14 PM »Last edited on December 30th, 2013, 08:18 PM by geenee
great work,Matts.

already love your circuit.:) first you sucess from 100 watts resistor that mean you can run electrolysis 100 watts for free without effecting the alternator(alternator see zero watts comsumption).Happy new year to all.

thanks
geenee

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #45, on December 30th, 2013, 08:43 PM »Last edited on December 30th, 2013, 08:43 PM by Matt Watts
So here's a little video I put together where I attempt to make sense of what the simulator is telling me; if it's accurate, this would be a great starting point for those wanting to dabble in the Q-Mo-Gen arena.

/83003669

Many thanks to Luc and Lynx helping me get this far and Sterling for all his non-stop positive attitude and support.

gotoluc

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #46, on December 30th, 2013, 10:51 PM »
Hi everyone,

thanks for all your positive comments and interest.

Great job Matt with your Generator output and the circuit simulator

User name TheCell at the OU topic has posted this interesting video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA

Keep up the great work

Luc

Matt Watts

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #47, on December 30th, 2013, 11:27 PM »Last edited on December 30th, 2013, 11:35 PM by Matt Watts
Quote from gotoluc on December 30th, 2013, 10:51 PM
Hi everyone,

thanks for all your positive comments and interest.

Great job Matt with your Generator output and the circuit simulator

User name TheCell at the OU topic has posted this interesting video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA

Keep up the great work

Luc
Hmmm, interesting.  So lets play with this formula a little and see how it compares:


The first question in my circuit is where does L come from?  Must be the generator, because there are no other inductors in the circuit.  Or we can say that L is just very small, which would make Q and consequently W be very small.  This would be fine for the generator side, but I think we actually need some W for the motor side.  I also think we might need some better explanations of these formulas so we know exactly where and how to apply them.

geenee

RE: Motor-Generator Self-Looped with Usable Energy Left Over
« Reply #48, on December 31st, 2013, 12:43 AM »Last edited on December 31st, 2013, 04:46 PM by geenee
from video.

coil has magnetic field to capture free energy from environment.this formula for inductor.if use Q and Xc,what is fomula?

capacitor has electrostatic field to capture free energy from environment.

just my theory,IMHO.

when put capacitor in series at ac circuit the it make phase shift(current lead voltage).
when put inductor in series at ac circuit the it make phase shift(voltage lead current).
combine two things = no phase shift ???
adjusting about L and C for 90 degree phase shift that need formula to calculate easily.what do you think?

thanks
geenee

phil