Now here is one we could build if we can reverse engineer this bugger.  It uses some form of helical arrangement of magnets to produce the torque that it generates, so go back to your Rodin equations and think.  It can't be that hard.



http://www.bsmhturk.com/gallery.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOyuZSzkWRU

Come on energy detectives.  Lets do this thing.

Interesting, to put it mildly.
The Howard Johnson motor comes to mind.
Let's hope it makes the market before the inventor suffers an untimely demise, together with his invention.

Quote from Dog-One on January 4th, 2013, 03:29 PM

Now here is one we could build if we can reverse engineer this bugger.  It uses some form of helical arrangement of magnets to produce the torque that it generates, so go back to your Rodin equations and think.  It can't be that hard.

Come on energy detectives.  Lets do this thing.

In the same block: http://youtu.be/aF0JvC10edw

If we made a thread called success, we could already put some ten devices running in..atleast.

But i can't make much chocolate from the video's

These I'd call doable, until proven otherwise.
The "only" thing that's missing are the documents detailing how to DIY.

Interesting, but I don't buy it. Even with all those wedge shaped things removed, there is still a substantial core that no one got to see; room for fraud. Too much emphasis on power and not enough on how it works.

Any time I see something bathed in flourescent light, in a building with ac electrical lines in the celing and walls, I don't trust it. Take it to the country and lets see it there. (Especially Troy Reeds apperatus, sitting right there under the flourescent light!) AC and flourescent lighting induces voltages in things. Likewise, hidden solar cells could also be at work somewhere. Did you know that high power LEDs, as well as taking voltage and making light, will also take light and make (considerable) voltage?

As for reverse engineering it, I doubt it: it's too complex and there is not enough detail shown. All I can speculate about is those strips and bands on the outside of it. They look like either Mu-Metal or hard-coat anodized aluminum (both with interesting properties).

The lawyer and secrecy bit (not full-disclosure) concerns me, which brings me to another question: Open Source vs an inventor's right to profit from his own invention.

I reckon full-disclosure pretty much = not gonna make any profit on any valid discovery because others will take it and run with it. Am I right? At what point is secrecy appropriate?

Quote from Gary S. on January 5th, 2013, 08:11 AM

Interesting, but I don't buy it. Even with all those wedge shaped things removed, there is still a substantial core that no one got to see; room for fraud. Too much emphasis on power and not enough on how it works.

Any time I see something bathed in flourescent light, in a building with ac electrical lines in the celing and walls, I don't trust it. Take it to the country and lets see it there. (Especially Troy Reeds apperatus, sitting right there under the flourescent light!) AC and flourescent lighting induces voltages in things. Likewise, hidden solar cells could also be at work somewhere. Did you know that high power LEDs, as well as taking voltage and making light, will also take light and make (considerable) voltage?

As for reverse engineering it, I doubt it: it's too complex and there is not enough detail shown. All I can speculate about is those strips and bands on the outside of it. They look like either Mu-Metal or hard-coat anodized aluminum (both with interesting properties).

The lawyer and secrecy bit (not full-disclosure) concerns me, which brings me to another question: Open Source vs an inventor's right to profit from his own invention.

I reckon full-disclosure pretty much = not gonna make any profit on any valid discovery because others will take it and run with it. Am I right? At what point is secrecy appropriate?

Question is if it works, then who will buy the first license?
I wouldn't jump on the first train without having read a fair amount of
testimonials, by amongst others Sterling Allan, then and only then I'd get really interested.
I'm not saying completely no to "non-open-source" solutions to energy problems
saving this small planet of ours, but it better be good and working as advertised,
or else.

Agreed. If anything really worked, I think the world would see it by now.

Most likely, the first to jump on it would be someone who does NOT want it on the market; Who stands to loose the most from it? -OR- they'll just arrange an "accident" in someone's lab in which all records of such device just "happened" to be destroyed. (etc.)

BTW, those wedge shaped things... just might be batteries in disguise... just another thought.

Gary S.

This page probably describes the inner workings better than anything else I have come across:
http://www.rexresearch.com/yildiz/yildiz.htm

Doesn't look all that difficult.  Inner stator with 10 magnets, rotor drum with 16 magnets and out stator with 18 magnets.  The drawings are descriptive enough to see the displacement of these magnets and dimensions of the assembly.  There is a pitch angle to consider on the rotor drum--the holes aren't drilled straight toward the center axis.  For the most part, just place the appropriate magnets in each of the eight rows and you should be up-n-running.

So who is going to build it?  Any takers?  Any machinists out there care to give this a whirl?

Having magnets circle in motion is not uncommon. The power production of such device is limited to less than full strength of one magnet.  Such power is enough to rotate the magnet attached drum and little else, hence why no device is ever seen attached. Magnets lose their power over time, however longer life may be obtained by elctrical charge passing through the magnet.

i thought this was all ready debunked as fake? ~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 9th, 2013, 12:34 AM

i thought this was all ready debunked as fake? ~Russ

I don't think so, not yet at least:
http://pesn.com/2013/01/05/9602260_Assistant_Professor_Presents_Scientific_Model_for_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor/

There is also a clack clack model somewhere! A lifter bar each revolution of v in v magnet layout all visable.

There is also a clack clack model somewhere! A lifter bar each revolution of v in v magnet layout all visable.

Quote from DaS Energy on January 9th, 2013, 05:56 AM

There is also a clack clack model somewhere! A lifter bar each revolution of v in v magnet layout all visable.

Yes, they both work based on a helical arrangement of magnets, but I think where the Yildiz has stator magnets all the way around both on the inside and outside, it is far more powerful.  I also think if you use neo magnets, worrying about the degradation of those magnets is negligible.  If it would turn a 150 amp automotive alternator day after day, I would be very happy with one.

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 9th, 2013, 12:34 AM

i thought this was all ready debunked as fake? ~Russ

I'd like to see that, Russ. Any links? In what way was it fake? Remember the details?

DaS, yes, why indeed is nothing hooked to it but a fan? You would think something that size would at least be running a refridgerator.

Gary S.

Quote from Gary S. on January 9th, 2013, 07:11 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 9th, 2013, 12:34 AM

i thought this was all ready debunked as fake? ~Russ

I'd like to see that, Russ. Any links? In what way was it fake? Remember the details?

DaS, yes, why indeed is nothing hooked to it but a fan? You would think something that size would at least be running a refridgerator.

Gary S.

I too would like to see it running a refrigerator

Quote from Lynx on January 9th, 2013, 07:15 AM

I too would like to see it running a refrigerator

Me too.  Maybe someday.  The show is still ongoing:
http://pesn.com/2013/01/09/9602262_Yildiz_Tells_the_Story_About_His_Magnet_Motor/

Quote from Gary S. on January 9th, 2013, 07:11 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 9th, 2013, 12:34 AM

i thought this was all ready debunked as fake? ~Russ

I'd like to see that, Russ. Any links? In what way was it fake? Remember the details?

DaS, yes, why indeed is nothing hooked to it but a fan? You would think something that size would at least be running a refridgerator.

Gary S.

humm, ok i just thought i read that some where... oh well... :)

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 9th, 2013, 11:31 PM

humm, ok i just thought i read that some where... oh well... :)

Quote from Muammer YILDIZ

At the moment, I have 293 different formulas and 5 different systems.

You could do that in your sleep Russ.  Or maybe that thing you do when you should be sleeping

Seriously though, look at that Rex Research link above, it just doesn't look all that hard, especially if you know a little about Marko Rodin's work.

Quote from Dog-One on January 10th, 2013, 12:24 AM

Seriously though, look at that Rex Research link above, it just doesn't look all that hard, especially if you know a little about Marko Rodin's work.

I just checked it out and it really seems to be a most detailed document on how
to build it.
It will be interesting to see how well it fares on the 30 day trial run.

Quote from Lynx on January 10th, 2013, 01:17 AM

Quote from Dog-One on January 10th, 2013, 12:24 AM

Seriously though, look at that Rex Research link above, it just doesn't look all that hard, especially if you know a little about Marko Rodin's work.

I just checked it out and it really seems to be a most detailed document on how
to build it.
It will be interesting to see how well it fares on the 30 day trial run.

somthing just rang a bell...

the SEG already has the " magnetic wave " imprinted in to the magnets...

:)

and the setup on this device is in a similar manner...

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 10th, 2013, 01:43 AM

somthing just rang a bell...

the SEG already has the " magnetic wave " imprinted in to the magnets...

:)

and the setup on this device is in a similar manner...

What did you mean by referring to the SEG?  Somehow I missed the connection there.

Quote from Dog-One on January 10th, 2013, 11:02 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 10th, 2013, 01:43 AM

somthing just rang a bell...

the SEG already has the " magnetic wave " imprinted in to the magnets...

:)

and the setup on this device is in a similar manner...

What did you mean by referring to the SEG?  Somehow I missed the connection there.

http://swallowcommand.com/index-2c.html

photo third down on the right...

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PESWiki has some Yildiz info about its workings

http://pesn.com/2013/01/05/9602260_Assistant_Professor_Presents_Scientific_Model_for_Yildiz_Magnet_Motor/

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 10th, 2013, 11:34 PM

http://swallowcommand.com/index-2c.html
photo third down on the right...

John Searl, yes.  I get it now.  Magnetic patterns or as Yildiz refers to them as sequences.  I don't yet know, but I suspect those sequences will match up nicely to Rodin's vortex patterns too.  It is starting to look like there are fundamental properties of matter, electric and magnetic fields that once we understand them, we can build most anything and it will work.