Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)

~Russ


Diadon

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #1, on April 1st, 2017, 06:15 PM »
Thanks for sharing the info. I watched his videos a while back and its good to see them get more exosure. I hope all is well with botg you and Mr.Petty

~Russ


Matt Watts

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #3, on April 3rd, 2017, 04:09 PM »Last edited on April 3rd, 2017, 04:18 PM
Geez Russ, you going to live long enough to see this through?   You better!

I really think we are in the ballpark now.  Replace them caps with 3000 turn choke coils and grab a handful of neon bulbs.  Take them neon bulbs and search for where the nodes are on the copper tubes.  You don't want to be using a 12kV NST though.  Find something a lot lower voltage, just enough to jump a tiny spark gap.  If you start finding nodes, it's a done deal--we know the secret.

~Russ

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #4, on April 3rd, 2017, 05:42 PM »
well i got pleany of crap laying around... as long as this sickness don't kill me! is been bad...

~Russ

Matt Watts

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #5, on April 4th, 2017, 12:32 PM »Last edited on April 4th, 2017, 12:35 PM
Quote from ~Russ on April 3rd, 2017, 05:42 PM
as long as this sickness don't kill me! is been bad...
To take a few lines from the movie Jarhead...

WTF?  You sick?

You better get unsick most rickie-tick, because there's a chance you could be a successful Stan Meyer replicator.

~Russ

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #6, on April 4th, 2017, 12:47 PM »
unsicking im gettin... ~Russ

Lynx

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #7, on April 4th, 2017, 01:34 PM »
Unsick you must get, mhmm :myoda:

~Russ

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #9, on April 6th, 2017, 09:32 AM »
interesting, here is a patent with the "hairpin" circuit, but it has some changes:

The spark gap is rotary.:    tuning or synchronous
There is a few turn coil as a primary ( or look as it as the short on the coil) driving a secondary. so even higher voltage kinda looks like a Tesla coil set up.

its only 2 pages long there are a few interesting things stated in there have a read:

see attached

~Russ

Matt Watts

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #10, on April 6th, 2017, 09:55 AM »
If I'm not mistaken, it's the rapid off or fall-time we seek.  The trick is to establish the current flow then abruptly stop it.  When this happens the opposition to change in current creates a massive increase in voltage trying to re-establish the current flow, but it cannot.  This literally tears dielectricity from counterspace as I understand it, resulting in the LMD pulse or dielectric pressure wave.

Unfortunately, most semi-conductors are pretty poor at stopping current flow.  Modern SiC-type MOSFETs do a great job of turning on rapidly, but once turned on they still are pretty lacking to turn back off.  I think this is the primary focus Paul Babcock had when designing circuits for the SERPS device.

~Russ


haxar


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Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #14, on April 8th, 2017, 01:56 AM »Last edited on April 8th, 2017, 01:59 AM
Has anyone tried the hairpin with the Meyer VIC and the cell caps devided in two with a short across them? I built another secondary last night and i've also reduced the number of turns on the primary so that my VIC produces 2500v at low frequency but the core won't allow resonance because it shuts down at 9.5khz (new core ordered).
I can try the hairpin circuit on my old VIC in the below schematic with 2500v output if you guys like.

Matt Watts

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #15, on April 8th, 2017, 08:32 AM »
Spark gap is in the wrong place.  Put it directly parallel with the secondary.  Don't use any caps, just a shorted loop.

Then run the primary at whatever resonant frequency you can get.

Use a one-wire neon to probe along the length of the shorted loop.  You are looking for nodes caused by standing waves.

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Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #16, on April 8th, 2017, 09:09 AM »
Quote from Matt Watts on April 8th, 2017, 08:32 AM
Spark gap is in the wrong place.  Put it directly parallel with the secondary.  Don't use any caps, just a shorted loop.

Then run the primary at whatever resonant frequency you can get.

Use a one-wire neon to probe along the length of the shorted loop.  You are looking for nodes caused by standing waves.
They're not caps, its the WFC with a short in it. I don't understand why you'd want the spark gap across the secondary when the two chokes produce as much voltage as the secondary, surely you need the high impedance spark gap across the output of the VIC then you can control the voltage across the WFC with the size of the spark gap? Surely the whole point of the spark gap is to use it as a tuning device.

Matt Watts

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #17, on April 8th, 2017, 04:18 PM »
Negative nav.   Look at the Tesla hairpin circuit.

The chokes ARE the capacitors--that's where the dielectric energy is stored.

The spark gap is what creates the impulse.  It doesn't matter what frequency the primary & secondary run at.  The impulse is what does the work and creates the LMD waves.  The quicker the spark gap quenches, the better.  Turn-off time is what is important--stopping the flow of current.  This rapid change in current from X to 0 forces the dielectric field from the storage elements, the chokes.  The chokes (capacitors) are what tune the standing wave nodes, since in reality they are both capacitors and inductors, hence the term Tesla used "capacity".

We don't want to use big ol' honking doorknob capacitors because the standing wave nodes are WAY too far apart from each other--they don't have the inductance or conductance to pull the nodes together.  3000 turn chokes do.

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Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #18, on April 9th, 2017, 03:00 AM »
I don't see it that way. I see the hairpin circuit copper bar acting like a loop antenna with an high impedance node across the short circuit that shows the drive circuit an open circuit. Then I see a capacitive shunt tuned by the width of the spark gap which ultimately controls the high impedance of the copper loop.
Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #19, on April 9th, 2017, 03:24 AM »Last edited on April 9th, 2017, 04:36 AM
The circuit between the inductor and the capacitors is an LC circuit on the hairpin without doubt because it produces its own resonant frequency regardless of the input frequency. Then you have two more componants, the spark gap and the short between the caps. The spark gap tunes the rate at which the caps can charge therefore it can change the resonant frequency of the LC circuit but it will also change the impedance across the capacitor shunt.
I don't see how you can place a spark gap across the secondary of the VIC and expect the secondary to form an LC circuit with the chokes. You can however expect the series inductors of the VIC to form an LC circuit with the water fuel cell and control the shunt across the capacitance with a spark gap and therefore control the impedance of the system. Thats how I see it.

gpssonar

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #20, on April 9th, 2017, 06:04 AM »Last edited on April 9th, 2017, 06:08 AM
I've been checking in and out reading what is being discussed about a spark gap. Here is my two cents about it. If I thought a spark gap was needed, why not use the Gas Processor as your spark gap. That way you could ionize the mixture of the ambient air at the same time. Just my two cents, kill two birds with one stone.

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Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #21, on April 9th, 2017, 07:42 AM »
Matt is right, important video to come shortly.

Matt Watts

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #22, on April 9th, 2017, 08:46 AM »Last edited on April 9th, 2017, 08:52 AM
Quote from gpssonar on April 9th, 2017, 06:04 AM
I've been checking in and out reading what is being discussed about a spark gap.
Ronnie, my theory behind the spark gap came from your telling us about the crackling sound in your coils, specifically when out of tune you arc and burn-up your secondary.  This got me thinking that you actually have some sort of spark gap within your secondary based on the type of wire you are using and the voltage levels being reached inside the secondary.  So I took these thoughts and kind of ran with them on a tangent trying to match this phenomena with something already done previously.  That match led to the Tesla hairpin circuit which has various similarities to the VIC.

I really have a gut feeling the form of electrical energy coming out of the VIC is the same kind of energy coming out of the Tesla hairpin circuit (LMD waves); the only difference is the spacing of the nodes.  The VIC I propose has very closely spaced nodes that equate to the distance between the plates of the exciter array, whereas in the Tesla hairpin circuit the nodes are much further apart.  This led me to look at the subtle differences between the Tesla hairpin circuit and the VIC.  What jumps out is the capacitors versus resonant charging chokes.  As it turns out, these chokes actually are capacitors; they have "capacity" just as Tesla stated.

What this all boils down to is the VIC is a tuned hybrid of the Tesla hairpin circuit.  Now obviously I could be wrong and if I am, then I do apologize for leading everyone on a wild goose chase.  If on the other hand I am correct, then we have in fact found the most fundamental mechanism of the VIC and all of Stan's derivative works, that being LMD waves.  The missing link is the spark gap and if there really is a spark gap happening within the secondary windings of your VIC, we can pull this outside of the coils and precisely tune it in such a manner the VIC becomes easy to replicate for everyone, no special wire, no magic winding pattern.  You told me at one time you wound five VICs and only four of them could you get working.  Suppose the reason you couldn't get that one to work was because of the way the secondary was wound.  It wasn't forming any workable spark gap within the windings.  If my hunch is correct, then I just solved that mystery as to why.

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Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #23, on April 9th, 2017, 09:32 AM »
Matt this phenomenon only occurs with the bifilar chokes configured in a certain manner. If I disconnect the secondary from the chokes there is no spark and it doesn't work. I was quite exited with the result as you will see from the video. Houston, this is tranquality base, the Eagle has landed.
There is some kind of radiant energy in the room, even with both multimeter probes disconnected it still produces high voltages somewhere all over the room. It's scary Poo with all this electrostatic voltage floating around the room. Do think I should go for a one wire light bulb in the next experiment?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WgVmsHyf84

gpssonar

Re: Non Linear Power Transmission With Tesla Hairpin Circuit (Alex Petty)
« Reply #24, on April 9th, 2017, 10:23 AM »Last edited on April 9th, 2017, 10:37 AM
Some People thought my spark plug video was crazy and meant nothing. Again if I were to use a spark gap, I would use the Gas Processor as my spark gap to ionize the ambient air and kill two birds with one stone ("VIC"). Go back and find the photo's of the VIC box where i showed how many VIC's were ever hooked up and used in the box. That alone should tell you something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5XP93XiSgk