Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.

~Russ

Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« on January 11th, 2012, 02:22 AM »Last edited on January 11th, 2012, 02:33 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
hey guys, so im making this post for my work and thoughts and build on the hydrogen gas gun, or Gas Possessor, witch is basically a DC ionizer.

one can get more info here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

copped from RWGresearch.com :
Quote
Here you will find some information on the HGG “Hydrogen Gas Gun”.



The HGG is basically a gas ionizer. It uses “laser” or light energy to help move the electrons away from the nucleus so that the high voltage can take over to dislodge the electrons from the gas atoms. There also needs to be a way to remove the free electrons from the gas and that is the purpose of the ECC or “electron extraction circuit.” These component’s working together will basically ionize the gas.

Why would one want to do this? Well in the case of the EPG there needs to be a way to attach a magnetizable atom to a noble gas.  An example of this would be to create iron gas atoms and get them to attach to unstable argon gas atoms to form a magnetizable gas lattice that can be used in the EPG.

When working with Hydrogen and Oxygen one would want to do this to destabilizing the gas atoms.  By extracting at least 4 electrons from the oxygen one can prevent the water module from forming during the thermal reaction of burning the gasses to release a much higher energy yield from the gas. This is how Stan was able to run his buggy on smaller amounts of H H O gas from water. He also was meter mixing other gases such as exhaust gases from the engine to adjust the burn rate of the H H O to equal that of gasoline. One can read this in his patents. Please see the patents page to download the patents.


Here is my HGG, I will be uploading schematics and other info once I get some testing done!

below is a work in progress and this HGG is being reworked as we speak.

This will be used for the electron extraction circuit to remove electrons.
 
 


 

This gas Processor has 24 x 403nm led's and 20 x 630nm led's







This is looking down in to the processor.



Here is a video of me assembling the HGG.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VbIlweo73M

More updates as they become available.
so my next thing is to get some mesh to extract the electrons, so here is what i'm considering:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#stainless-steel-filter-discs/=fr97lq

i also think that the center " tube" needs to be a single wire  and then you can use a smaller voltage to do the same thing as you will have a smaller brake out point.

 any thoughts on this?

~Russ Gries

HHO4Life

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #1, on January 11th, 2012, 10:11 AM »
Hey Russ,

I Just have 1 question about the light array in the gas gun. In the document titled The Birth of New technology section 1-8 Stanley states that he uses a laser which cause atoms to lose electrons. He also indicates that the light comes from red LED lights. Is there a reason he uses red light? Why not use an actual laser? Have you tried this with a green laser? The energy emitted from a green laser is much greater then that of a red laser. Would it be possible that using a green laser would cause more atoms to lose electrons then red LED's?

Thanks for all you do!

phil

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #2, on January 11th, 2012, 12:53 PM »
Quote from HHO4Life on January 11th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Hey Russ,

I Just have 1 question about the light array in the gas gun. In the document titled The Birth of New technology section 1-8 Stanley states that he uses a laser which cause atoms to lose electrons. He also indicates that the light comes from red LED lights. Is there a reason he uses red light? Why not use an actual laser? Have you tried this with a green laser? The energy emitted from a green laser is much greater then that of a red laser. Would it be possible that using a green laser would cause more atoms to lose electrons then red LED's?

Thanks for all you do!
Its all about the wavelength, the wavelength needs to match the absorbtion/emmision spectrum of whatever it is you are trying to ionize. When the gas is exposed to certain wavelengths of light the electrons become excited and move up in energy level, the electrical energy needed to remove them from the structure fully is then less.

Heres a little pic (sorry its come out so small)

[attachment=685]

The 656 band of light is at the red end of the spectrum. You could use a 486nm green led too or any of the others, but some wavelengths will cause more of a jump in energy levels than others,
You could get a laser tailor made to whatever wavelengths you like i spose if you got the money, leds are much cheaper. It seems like the leds were also pulsed to gain an amplification.
So you end up with a chamber that uses pulsed led light and high voltage to ionize the gas, then the electron extraction circuit kicks in (alternate power swich in fig 1-14) and burns off the liberated electrons in the amp consuming device.

Hope that helps a bit.

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #3, on January 12th, 2012, 01:13 AM »
Quote from phil on January 11th, 2012, 12:53 PM
Quote from HHO4Life on January 11th, 2012, 10:11 AM
Hey Russ,

I Just have 1 question about the light array in the gas gun. In the document titled The Birth of New technology section 1-8 Stanley states that he uses a laser which cause atoms to lose electrons. He also indicates that the light comes from red LED lights. Is there a reason he uses red light? Why not use an actual laser? Have you tried this with a green laser? The energy emitted from a green laser is much greater then that of a red laser. Would it be possible that using a green laser would cause more atoms to lose electrons then red LED's?

Thanks for all you do!
Its all about the wavelength, the wavelength needs to match the absorbtion/emmision spectrum of whatever it is you are trying to ionize. When the gas is exposed to certain wavelengths of light the electrons become excited and move up in energy level, the electrical energy needed to remove them from the structure fully is then less.

Heres a little pic (sorry its come out so small)



The 656 band of light is at the red end of the spectrum. You could use a 486nm green led too or any of the others, but some wavelengths will cause more of a jump in energy levels than others,
You could get a laser tailor made to whatever wavelengths you like i spose if you got the money, leds are much cheaper. It seems like the leds were also pulsed to gain an amplification.
So you end up with a chamber that uses pulsed led light and high voltage to ionize the gas, then the electron extraction circuit kicks in (alternate power swich in fig 1-14) and burns off the liberated electrons in the amp consuming device.

Hope that helps a bit.
yes, phill is right on the money, here is a good thread to read: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=89

this ill help you. and your welcome! thanks for all the support and everything all is doing to help as i would not be this far! thanks world! :) ~Russ

KevinW_EnhancedLiving


Davecbwfc

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #5, on January 14th, 2012, 10:27 PM »
Russ, I know your working on the extraction grid first, but what about the circuit that uses scr's or transistors? (EEC circuit)

Another question, how do you think the gas gun differs between the one made to process hydrogen and oxygen and the one used on the intake of the buggy?

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #6, on January 17th, 2012, 03:38 AM »Last edited on January 17th, 2012, 03:42 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from Davecbwfc on January 14th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Russ, I know your working on the extraction grid first, but what about the circuit that uses scr's or transistors? (EEC circuit)

Another question, how do you think the gas gun differs between the one made to process hydrogen and oxygen and the one used on the intake of the buggy?
if we know how it works... we know the principles... we can build it how ever we want... :) haha

scrap the SCR... we have better things now.

so, no i dont plan on using an SCR. but that's just at the moment. i haven't studded the EEC to its deepest point.

the russtic gen 7.0 will allow me to control external outputs at alternating times. (180 out a phase)

i plan on making an external circuit that the russtic will run. but SCR's are something i may or may not use. havet gone that far on finding what components im going to use... soon i will tho!  

still working on the corona wire and such as im having arc problems... i think i need higher voltage with less amperage... and the wire needs to be as small as possible. the less surface area on the high voltage side of things the better... the less amperage i need to use.

attached is some photos of the EEC grid in my gas gun. (water Faucet aerator)

still not sure if the gas gun and gas possessor are the same... im going to say yes. but one is for air.

see the way Stan was making gas the gas was already ionized... so no need to run the h h o in to the processor as the effect is already there. he talks about this in his videos. high voltage brake down of the water will have some other effects that just braking it down??? :)

thanks! ~Russ

DNKXP

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #7, on January 17th, 2012, 10:56 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 11th, 2012, 02:22 AM
hey guys, so im making this post for my work and thoughts and build on the hydrogen gas gun, or Gas Possessor, witch is basically a DC ionizer.

one can get more info here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

copped from RWGresearch.com :
Quote
Here you will find some information on the HGG “Hydrogen Gas Gun”.



The HGG is basically a gas ionizer. It uses “laser” or light energy to help move the electrons away from the nucleus so that the high voltage can take over to dislodge the electrons from the gas atoms. There also needs to be a way to remove the free electrons from the gas and that is the purpose of the ECC or “electron extraction circuit.” These component’s working together will basically ionize the gas.

Why would one want to do this? Well in the case of the EPG there needs to be a way to attach a magnetizable atom to a noble gas.  An example of this would be to create iron gas atoms and get them to attach to unstable argon gas atoms to form a magnetizable gas lattice that can be used in the EPG.

When working with Hydrogen and Oxygen one would want to do this to destabilizing the gas atoms.  By extracting at least 4 electrons from the oxygen one can prevent the water module from forming during the thermal reaction of burning the gasses to release a much higher energy yield from the gas. This is how Stan was able to run his buggy on smaller amounts of H H O gas from water. He also was meter mixing other gases such as exhaust gases from the engine to adjust the burn rate of the H H O to equal that of gasoline. One can read this in his patents. Please see the patents page to download the patents.


Here is my HGG, I will be uploading schematics and other info once I get some testing done!

below is a work in progress and this HGG is being reworked as we speak.

This will be used for the electron extraction circuit to remove electrons.
 
 


 

This gas Processor has 24 x 403nm led's and 20 x 630nm led's







This is looking down in to the processor.



Here is a video of me assembling the HGG.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VbIlweo73M

More updates as they become available.
so my next thing is to get some mesh to extract the electrons, so here is what i'm considering:

http://www.mcmaster.com/#stainless-steel-filter-discs/=fr97lq

i also think that the center " tube" needs to be a single wire  and then you can use a smaller voltage to do the same thing as you will have a smaller brake out point.

 any thoughts on this?

~Russ Gries
I don't know about that Russ, I just wanted to say your Gas Processor is a work of art!  Beautiful!

thisuser

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #8, on January 19th, 2012, 05:47 PM »
Finding that mesh for the EEC gas grid with the right width for your project was awesome. Like you said, clearly you're on the right track :D

Peace:angel:, Love:heart: and Well-Being:)
Alexsei

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #9, on January 20th, 2012, 01:16 AM »Last edited on January 20th, 2012, 01:19 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from thisuser on January 19th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Finding that mesh for the EEC gas grid with the right width for your project was awesome. Like you said, clearly you're on the right track :D

Peace:angel:, Love:heart: and Well-Being:)
Alexsei
agreed!!! thanks!!! here are the videos in this new series:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGbvFtqcNM8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdSr0D3_Bq0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF_jv-UQmQg

Love the hair? Hahaha ~Russ

thisuser

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #10, on January 20th, 2012, 01:56 PM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 20th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Love the hair? Hahaha ~Russ
Yes! hahah but having long hair myself I can appreciate not liking it in my face/eyes when I'm working away hehe

I really like your reuse/recycle approach to your work and being inspired by what you're doing, I am looking at some of the patents you have on your site to see what I'd like to start building and testing myself and sharing the results, with love :D

Peace, Love and Well-Being,
Alexsei

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #11, on January 20th, 2012, 11:22 PM »
Quote from thisuser on January 20th, 2012, 01:56 PM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 20th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Love the hair? Hahaha ~Russ
Yes! hahah but having long hair myself I can appreciate not liking it in my face/eyes when I'm working away hehe

I really like your reuse/recycle approach to your work and being inspired by what you're doing, I am looking at some of the patents you have on your site to see what I'd like to start building and testing myself and sharing the results, with love :D

Peace, Love and Well-Being,
Alexsei
haha wonderful my friend! yeah, EPG, Adjusting the burn rate, VIC, VIC controls, WFC, quenching  disk, and a few others is where i started... lol a bit too many at once perhaps?  

life is grand... ;) lol challenging but grand...

Be Blessed!

~Russ  

HHO4Life

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #12, on January 26th, 2012, 11:49 AM »
The gun looks great Russ! I love your work man I love it!

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #13, on January 27th, 2012, 03:01 AM »
Quote from HHO4Life on January 26th, 2012, 11:49 AM
The gun looks great Russ! I love your work man I love it!
thanks my friend!!! just trying to get this stuff proven or disapproving!!! lol ~Russ

BaronBassman

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #14, on January 27th, 2012, 11:53 AM »
Very cool vids Russ!! Your craftsmanship (and hair) are awesome!
Regarding the arcing, maybe your components are too close together for the voltage you're working with? Or you had greasy fingers when you put it together heh heh... ;)
An idea I just had: Is there a way to run water between the central corona chamber and the LEDs?
If you can imagine another tube with a space between them for water to flow. Could you make it do 'double duty' and strip electrons directly from the water using the same method?
Keep up the great job!!

Derrick

DNKXP

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #15, on January 27th, 2012, 01:23 PM »
The hair definitely goes with the mad Scientist thingy!  lol :-D

fedeperis

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #16, on January 28th, 2012, 10:29 AM »
Hi Russ! Congratulations on your work!

I'm still reading all the theory, but I have a question?

What its the amount of current your are using in the video, is it 20 A? have you find the resonance frecuence in some point?

I'm trying to build a digital generator with control electronic included..

I don't have any commercial purposes,so I would like to share my research in the forum if its ok with you.

Sorry about my english, I'm from Argentina..

Thanks!

 

Jeff Nading

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #17, on January 28th, 2012, 10:34 AM »Last edited on January 28th, 2012, 11:45 AM by Jeff Nading
Quote from fedeperis on January 28th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Hi Russ! Congratulations on your work!

I'm still reading all the theory, but I have a question?

What its the amount of current your are using in the video, is it 20 A? have you find the resonance frecuence in some point?

I'm trying to build a digital generator with control electronic included..

I don't have any commercial purposes,so I would like to share my research in the forum if its ok with you.

Sorry about my english, I'm from Argentina..

Thanks!
The amperage is just experimental right now but Stan was using very low amps [1/2 an amp] with high voltage, and please feel free to post any results you wish to, we are all in this together, Jeff.

fedeperis

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #18, on January 28th, 2012, 10:36 AM »
Thank you Jeff! instant answer! ejej
Quote from Jeff Nading on January 28th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Quote from fedeperis on January 28th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Hi Russ! Congratulations on your work!

I'm still reading all the theory, but I have a question?

What its the amount of current your are using in the video, is it 20 A? have you find the resonance frecuence in some point?

I'm trying to build a digital generator with control electronic included..

I don't have any commercial purposes,so I would like to share my research in the forum if its ok with you.

Sorry about my english, I'm from Argentina..

Thanks!
The amps is just experimental right now but Stan was using very low amps [1/2 an amp] with high voltage, and please feel free to post any results you wish to, we are all in this together, Jeff.

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #19, on January 28th, 2012, 09:24 PM »
Quote from BaronBassman on January 27th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Very cool vids Russ!! Your craftsmanship (and hair) are awesome!
Regarding the arcing, maybe your components are too close together for the voltage you're working with? Or you had greasy fingers when you put it together heh heh... ;)
An idea I just had: Is there a way to run water between the central corona chamber and the LEDs?
If you can imagine another tube with a space between them for water to flow. Could you make it do 'double duty' and strip electrons directly from the water using the same method?
Keep up the great job!!

Derrick
ahhhh, nice idea with the water. i will keep that in mined for the future!!!

now one thing that you need to understand is that the LED's are suppose to do is reflect off the inner electrode and amplify the intensity of light. or that is a theory i was told. like a laser pumping effect. but im not sure how true that is. time will tell. i mean yes, the more intense the light is the better. so it makes scene, i'm just not sure that stan had his set up like that.

so, the water would effect that but it would be cool to make that way... cool idea!

i don't know if it would strip electrons from the water with out being in the corona field

yeah. i believe its oil or something...  its not arching its just burning off the oil or what ever... hah kinda crazy.

thanks for the input !!!!
~Russ
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #20, on January 28th, 2012, 09:27 PM »
Quote from DNKXP on January 27th, 2012, 01:23 PM
The hair definitely goes with the mad Scientist thingy!  lol :-D
yeah it dose! :)

~Russ
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #21, on January 28th, 2012, 09:29 PM »
Quote from fedeperis on January 28th, 2012, 10:36 AM
Thank you Jeff! instant answer! ejej
Quote from Jeff Nading on January 28th, 2012, 10:34 AM
Quote from fedeperis on January 28th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Hi Russ! Congratulations on your work!

I'm still reading all the theory, but I have a question?

What its the amount of current your are using in the video, is it 20 A? have you find the resonance frecuence in some point?

I'm trying to build a digital generator with control electronic included..

I don't have any commercial purposes,so I would like to share my research in the forum if its ok with you.

Sorry about my english, I'm from Argentina..

Thanks!
The amps is just experimental right now but Stan was using very low amps [1/2 an amp] with high voltage, and please feel free to post any results you wish to, we are all in this together, Jeff.
yes, this is just for testing.

and yes!! post everything! its good to see others work so we all can learn from it.

and you can start your own thread on your work, or find other threads that will relate to what your doing! :)

~Russ  

BaronBassman

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #22, on January 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM »Last edited on January 28th, 2012, 11:44 PM by BaronBassman
Russ,
 I think the corona field should be able to affect the water without actually touching the water directly.
I've done a few lifters (do those things SMELL! from all the ionized air they produce) and I'm pretty sure that if you can get the water close enough to the corona wire the principle should still work. The corona wire in a lifter attracts the foil, I've seen proof of that. They don't really 'fly' at all, they zoom whatever direction is parallel to the corona wire and foil (cathode)... Seems like it should work anyways... A more direct approach maybe... EDIT: I think the space between those tubes would have to be small so that there wouldn't be very much water at any one time in the 'extraction' area.
Interesting idea the coronal discharge affecting the LEDs and vice versa... Not sure how that would work but waves on top of waves do interesting things!
Your leds might have to be a different color to do it with water directly though?

Derrick

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #23, on January 29th, 2012, 03:18 AM »
Quote from BaronBassman on January 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM
Russ,
 I think the corona field should be able to affect the water without actually touching the water directly.
I've done a few lifters (do those things SMELL! from all the ionized air they produce) and I'm pretty sure that if you can get the water close enough to the corona wire the principle should still work. The corona wire in a lifter attracts the foil, I've seen proof of that. They don't really 'fly' at all, they zoom whatever direction is parallel to the corona wire and foil (cathode)... Seems like it should work anyways... A more direct approach maybe... EDIT: I think the space between those tubes would have to be small so that there wouldn't be very much water at any one time in the 'extraction' area.
Interesting idea the coronal discharge affecting the LEDs and vice versa... Not sure how that would work but waves on top of waves do interesting things!
Your leds might have to be a different color to do it with water directly though?

Derrick
i agree, the water could be very then as the pipe is much bigger than the the input tube. so more surface area.

 yeah i don't think the water will ionize but more align the water or "structure it". and i think that's another key to more efficient gas production.

its a grand idea! now after testing... we can build a new one! better then the one now! good thoughts going on here! :)

~Russ

DNKXP

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #24, on January 29th, 2012, 05:38 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 29th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Quote from BaronBassman on January 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM
Russ,
 I think the corona field should be able to affect the water without actually touching the water directly.
I've done a few lifters (do those things SMELL! from all the ionized air they produce) and I'm pretty sure that if you can get the water close enough to the corona wire the principle should still work. The corona wire in a lifter attracts the foil, I've seen proof of that. They don't really 'fly' at all, they zoom whatever direction is parallel to the corona wire and foil (cathode)... Seems like it should work anyways... A more direct approach maybe... EDIT: I think the space between those tubes would have to be small so that there wouldn't be very much water at any one time in the 'extraction' area.
Interesting idea the coronal discharge affecting the LEDs and vice versa... Not sure how that would work but waves on top of waves do interesting things!
Your leds might have to be a different color to do it with water directly though?

Derrick
i agree, the water could be very then as the pipe is much bigger than the the input tube. so more surface area.

 yeah i don't think the water will ionize but more align the water or "structure it". and i think that's another key to more efficient gas production.

its a grand idea! now after testing... we can build a new one! better then the one now! good thoughts going on here! :)

~Russ
Would love to see some work on how a strong magnetic field would structure hydrogen particles, if my theory is correct, both electrons of the hydrogen atom would have the same polarity after passing through a high gauss field, releasing 50 - 100% more energy, as the polarities would no longer cancel each other out at the moment of combustion.  I may be wrong, but I still think research needs to be done in this area...