Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.

adys15

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #25, on January 29th, 2012, 05:54 PM »
Hy Russ.have a question for you:the gas gun is part of the wfc(the rezonant cavity)?You say on the description of the gas gun that stan uses the gas gun to run with a less gas ouput from the water cell and all in all:gas gun is ABSOLUTELLY NECESARY for the water cell or stan drove that buggy with only the water cell without the gas gun(sorry for my english) please reply...by the way...awesome work..RESPECT....

BaronBassman

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #26, on January 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM »Last edited on January 29th, 2012, 09:22 PM by BaronBassman
Russ,
Small tubes in there might work as well if you could figure out where they would be placed to get near enough to the corona wire and still get blasted with the LEDs (while not interfering with the gas ionization). I agree it won't ionize the water completely but it might help structure the HHO lattice for easier dismemberment later (like you said).
Derrick
EDIT: Two oppositely charged corona wires spaced so that the HHO gets ionized from both sides simultaneously might work better than one corona wire. The LEDs would have to be set at 90 degrees from the wires I'm thinking... ;)

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #27, on January 29th, 2012, 11:10 PM »
Quote from DNKXP on January 29th, 2012, 05:38 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 29th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Quote from BaronBassman on January 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM
Russ,
 I think the corona field should be able to affect the water without actually touching the water directly.
I've done a few lifters (do those things SMELL! from all the ionized air they produce) and I'm pretty sure that if you can get the water close enough to the corona wire the principle should still work. The corona wire in a lifter attracts the foil, I've seen proof of that. They don't really 'fly' at all, they zoom whatever direction is parallel to the corona wire and foil (cathode)... Seems like it should work anyways... A more direct approach maybe... EDIT: I think the space between those tubes would have to be small so that there wouldn't be very much water at any one time in the 'extraction' area.
Interesting idea the coronal discharge affecting the LEDs and vice versa... Not sure how that would work but waves on top of waves do interesting things!
Your leds might have to be a different color to do it with water directly though?

Derrick
i agree, the water could be very then as the pipe is much bigger than the the input tube. so more surface area.

 yeah i don't think the water will ionize but more align the water or "structure it". and i think that's another key to more efficient gas production.

its a grand idea! now after testing... we can build a new one! better then the one now! good thoughts going on here! :)

~Russ
Would love to see some work on how a strong magnetic field would structure hydrogen particles, if my theory is correct, both electrons of the hydrogen atom would have the same polarity after passing through a high gauss field, releasing 50 - 100% more energy, as the polarities would no longer cancel each other out at the moment of combustion.  I may be wrong, but I still think research needs to be done in this area...
that sounds like a grate start to a new thread!?!?

~Russ
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #28, on January 29th, 2012, 11:23 PM »
Quote from adys15 on January 29th, 2012, 05:54 PM
Hy Russ.have a question for you:the gas gun is part of the wfc(the rezonant cavity)?You say on the description of the gas gun that stan uses the gas gun to run with a less gas ouput from the water cell and all in all:gas gun is ABSOLUTELLY NECESARY for the water cell or stan drove that buggy with only the water cell without the gas gun(sorry for my english) please reply...by the way...awesome work..RESPECT....
the gas gun changes the atoms an such a way that it helps the process in some way.

i cant find any good answers on my questions... but there is something here that the WFC needs to be like Stan's was.

i don't think that we can change 5 gallon of water to H H O in 1 hr... that's the clams from Stan. (this could be a typo in the patent also)

what i think is happening is the efficiency is coming from all the metering of gases... (exhaust gas, ionized air, hydrogen, and ambient air)

this is where the efficiency comes from...

so will Stan's system work with out the GHH??? i don't know. but we are on our way to finding out!

 just remember that there is more to Stan's WFC than one supper efficient water breaker... the over all efficiency comes from all over the system... not from just one part of the system.

so, the answer i cant answer and haven't found any one that can answer it is...

What happens when you take at least 4 electrons away from oxygen, then try to burn it with hydrogen???  

hope this makes scene.

your English sounds just fine!

:)

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #29, on January 29th, 2012, 11:28 PM »
Quote from BaronBassman on January 29th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Two oppositely charged corona wires spaced so that the HHO gets ionized from both sides simultaneously might work better than one corona wire. The LEDs would have to be set at 90 degrees from the wires I'm thinking... ;)
the reason that I'm using just a one polarity is that i want positive ions.

but yeah. interesting idea.

~Russ

adys15

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #30, on January 30th, 2012, 05:38 AM »Last edited on January 31st, 2012, 01:37 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Russ i think you know this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtOo1f_86

The buggy seems to run just with Stans wfc prototype,I think is his firsts atempts..so i consider the gas gun was not istalled at that time,so give it a thouth!
Thanks for your reply and answers!
Ady

Ravenous Emu

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #31, on January 30th, 2012, 12:51 PM »
Can someone help me understand this corona effect?  I've come across this multiple times and it's still confusing to me.
:huh: Is the Corona Effect ionizing the air?  wouldn't the corona casue a short circuit?  Which we don't want?!:huh:

Now, If memory serves me right... there are 2 gas ionizers, correct???
Located:
1) Between the "resonant cavity" and the flame.
2) Air intake, which "ionizes the ambient air coming into the engine".

If this is the case... why not make one ionizer, that does both jobs?  Example:
I have my tank
I have a Hydrogen Gas Gun on top of my tank.
Now, let's feed my intake into the ionizer after the tank, but before the ionizer.
(a check valve might be a good idea here.  we dont want the pressure to leave the tank.)

What are your thoughts?  (Ready, Aim... , FIRE!)

BaronBassman

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #32, on January 30th, 2012, 02:45 PM »Last edited on January 30th, 2012, 02:45 PM by BaronBassman
Quote
the reason that I'm using just a one polarity is that i want positive ions.

but yeah. interesting idea.

~Russ
I understand that. I was thinking that if you charged a second wire positively it would also push those positive ions away from that second corona wire (even more towards the negative corona wire like you want). The thinking behind this is to use both sides of the battery so to speak. If you can pull you can also push, right?
 
Cheers!
Derrick

Ravenous Emu

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #33, on January 30th, 2012, 09:40 PM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on January 30th, 2012, 12:51 PM
Can someone help me understand this corona effect?  I've come across this multiple times and it's still confusing to me.
:huh: Is the Corona Effect ionizing the air?  wouldn't the corona casue a short circuit?  Which we don't want?!:huh:
Hurray for Wikipedia! they did it again. :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge
"In electricity, a corona discharge is an electrical discharge brought on by the ionization of a fluid surrounding a conductor that is electrically energized. The discharge will occur when the strength (potential gradient) of the electric field around the conductor is high enough to form a conductive region, but not high enough to cause electrical breakdown or arcing to nearby objects."

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #34, on January 31st, 2012, 03:06 AM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on January 30th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Quote from Ravenous Emu on January 30th, 2012, 12:51 PM
Can someone help me understand this corona effect?  I've come across this multiple times and it's still confusing to me.
:huh: Is the Corona Effect ionizing the air?  wouldn't the corona casue a short circuit?  Which we don't want?!:huh:
Hurray for Wikipedia! they did it again. :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge
"In electricity, a corona discharge is an electrical discharge brought on by the ionization of a fluid surrounding a conductor that is electrically energized. The discharge will occur when the strength (potential gradient) of the electric field around the conductor is high enough to form a conductive region, but not high enough to cause electrical breakdown or arcing to nearby objects."
hahaah nice work! i love it when you answer your own questions... the internet... :) what would we do with out it... i guess just not know... :) lol

~Russ
RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #35, on January 31st, 2012, 03:11 AM »Last edited on January 31st, 2012, 03:12 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from BaronBassman on January 30th, 2012, 02:45 PM
Quote
the reason that I'm using just a one polarity is that i want positive ions.

but yeah. interesting idea.

~Russ
I understand that. I was thinking that if you charged a second wire positively it would also push those positive ions away from that second corona wire (even more towards the negative corona wire like you want). The thinking behind this is to use both sides of the battery so to speak. If you can pull you can also push, right?
 
Cheers!
Derrick
well... stan also created the ( electron extraction circuit ) and instead of pulling them out with a mesh gird. he alternatively pulsed the outer tube to not jsut be a ground but also on the off time extract the electrons?  

its all hard to explain in a short time! wish i had more time to show you,

like this:

hope it makes sense.

~Russ

Ravenous Emu

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #36, on January 31st, 2012, 10:45 AM »
Stan's Patent# 5,149,407
Column 10, Lines 17-21.
"The 'extraction' of electrons by the sink means is coordinated with the pulsating electrical field of the resonant cavity produced by the circuit of FIG. 7, by means of an interconnected synchronization circuit, such as shown in FIG. 8B."
Column 10, Lines 64-67.
"The extracted electrons are consumed and prevented from re-entering the chamber by a circuit such as shown in FIG 8B."
Column 11, Lines 22-26.
It is necessary in the final electron extraction that the frequency with which electrons are removed from the system by sequenced and synchronized with the pulsing of the gas resonant cavity."
Column 14, Lines46-49.
"The electron extraction process also prevents spark-ignition of the combustible gasses travelling through the gas resonant cavity because electron build-up and potential sparking is prevented."

:idea: That last quote... is something I never caught before.  the electron extraction circuit actually prevents a spark in the the gas processor... so it doesn't go BOOM! :D:idea:

Let's see if I can help explain.
Ok, we have a pulsing circuit that creates a 50% duty cycle. At a certain repetitive frequency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
"The term duty cycle describes the proportion of 'on' time to the regular interval or 'period' of time; a low duty cycle corresponds to low power, because the power is off for most of the time. Duty cycle is expressed in percent, 100% being fully on."

So, if we were to zoom in on our frequency to only one cycle. the amount of time it takes to complete one cycle is it's period.  Now, when using our 50 % duty cycle, we have the first half of our period on and the second half as off.  While it's on, the "resonant cavity" is active.  Alternately when it's off the Electron Extraction Circuit is active.

Hope this helps you understand it some more.

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #37, on February 4th, 2012, 04:43 AM »
Quote from Ravenous Emu on January 31st, 2012, 10:45 AM
Stan's Patent# 5,149,407
Column 10, Lines 17-21.
"The 'extraction' of electrons by the sink means is coordinated with the pulsating electrical field of the resonant cavity produced by the circuit of FIG. 7, by means of an interconnected synchronization circuit, such as shown in FIG. 8B."
Column 10, Lines 64-67.
"The extracted electrons are consumed and prevented from re-entering the chamber by a circuit such as shown in FIG 8B."
Column 11, Lines 22-26.
It is necessary in the final electron extraction that the frequency with which electrons are removed from the system by sequenced and synchronized with the pulsing of the gas resonant cavity."
Column 14, Lines46-49.
"The electron extraction process also prevents spark-ignition of the combustible gasses travelling through the gas resonant cavity because electron build-up and potential sparking is prevented."

:idea: That last quote... is something I never caught before.  the electron extraction circuit actually prevents a spark in the the gas processor... so it doesn't go BOOM! :D:idea:

Let's see if I can help explain.
Ok, we have a pulsing circuit that creates a 50% duty cycle. At a certain repetitive frequency.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation
"The term duty cycle describes the proportion of 'on' time to the regular interval or 'period' of time; a low duty cycle corresponds to low power, because the power is off for most of the time. Duty cycle is expressed in percent, 100% being fully on."

So, if we were to zoom in on our frequency to only one cycle. the amount of time it takes to complete one cycle is it's period.  Now, when using our 50 % duty cycle, we have the first half of our period on and the second half as off.  While it's on, the "resonant cavity" is active.  Alternately when it's off the Electron Extraction Circuit is active.

Hope this helps you understand it some more.
yes, thus the reason for this:

http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=178

:)
50% duty.

a PWM is not a constant Duty. but instead its a varying duty and only one frequency.

the rustic is npt a PWM but rather a 50%dut and we get to change the frequency.

the second version of the rustic is more geared to run the gas gun...

but! i don't have the resonant action, but instead using a corona field...

good research!!!!!!!!! pull these things out and post them! that's something i have been wanting to do for a while and just haven't the time.

~Russ

phil

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #38, on March 1st, 2012, 03:12 PM »
Had a little think, gases ionize easier under low pressure, think plasma globe or flourescent tube. Could we use the vacuum from the engine to help us ionize in the gas processor, Could the WFC be aided by having a vacuum pulled on it, maybe not too much incase it sucks the water right out.

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #39, on March 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM »
Quote from phil on March 1st, 2012, 03:12 PM
Had a little think, gases ionize easier under low pressure, think plasma globe or flourescent tube. Could we use the vacuum from the engine to help us ionize in the gas processor, Could the WFC be aided by having a vacuum pulled on it, maybe not too much incase it sucks the water right out.
You know that's a grate thought. I just made a Manifold for my genarater... When I get it running I will see if I can try some thins like that.

It makes sence! Goo thought phill!

~Russ  

phil

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #40, on March 2nd, 2012, 11:07 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from phil on March 1st, 2012, 03:12 PM
Had a little think, gases ionize easier under low pressure, think plasma globe or flourescent tube. Could we use the vacuum from the engine to help us ionize in the gas processor, Could the WFC be aided by having a vacuum pulled on it, maybe not too much incase it sucks the water right out.
You know that's a grate thought. I just made a Manifold for my genarater... When I get it running I will see if I can try some thins like that.

It makes sence! Goo thought phill!

~Russ
It might help stop the arcing, and ionize with less voltage.

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #41, on March 2nd, 2012, 11:35 PM »
Quote from phil on March 2nd, 2012, 11:07 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from phil on March 1st, 2012, 03:12 PM
Had a little think, gases ionize easier under low pressure, think plasma globe or flourescent tube. Could we use the vacuum from the engine to help us ionize in the gas processor, Could the WFC be aided by having a vacuum pulled on it, maybe not too much incase it sucks the water right out.
You know that's a grate thought. I just made a Manifold for my genarater... When I get it running I will see if I can try some thins like that.

It makes sence! Goo thought phill!

~Russ
It might help stop the arcing, and ionize with less voltage.
um... well i think it would make that part worse... the lower the amount of molecules... the further the arc will travel with the same amount of voltage applied ... hence why a neon tube glows under just 5K-12K volts...

~Russ

phil

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #42, on March 3rd, 2012, 09:11 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 2nd, 2012, 11:35 PM
Quote from phil on March 2nd, 2012, 11:07 AM
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on March 2nd, 2012, 07:06 AM
Quote from phil on March 1st, 2012, 03:12 PM
Had a little think, gases ionize easier under low pressure, think plasma globe or flourescent tube. Could we use the vacuum from the engine to help us ionize in the gas processor, Could the WFC be aided by having a vacuum pulled on it, maybe not too much incase it sucks the water right out.
You know that's a grate thought. I just made a Manifold for my genarater... When I get it running I will see if I can try some thins like that.

It makes sence! Goo thought phill!

~Russ
It might help stop the arcing, and ionize with less voltage.
um... well i think it would make that part worse... the lower the amount of molecules... the further the arc will travel with the same amount of voltage applied ... hence why a neon tube glows under just 5K-12K volts...

~Russ
Apply less voltage then, that was my thinking anyway. Get the vacuum of the engine to perform some of the work and you may need less power from the VIC to split the water/gas. Just an idea anyway.

securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #43, on April 23rd, 2012, 12:03 PM »Last edited on April 23rd, 2012, 12:13 PM by securesupplies
Hey Russ

Reviewing video on HHG

build videos are good,
=====================================
but  With Gas Gun  there seam to be video detail missing

It would be good to complete the
build explanation.

can you offer a
1.led wiring diagram for leds, resistors   on boards

2.and  winding details the coils for vic component.

3.can you explain a little bit for vic coils awg and windings.
and how they are wired into unit

4.why it has coils on the gas gun
and how they were wound and what spec they were?

5. Where they wire to?

Summary of power  pulsing
going in

to

vic
leds
electrodes

(Also what centre corona wire did you end up using)?

info would complete  information so  easy to understand end to end
so others can start building confidently.

Work you have done is excellent but should be finished off as
just offering feed back after going through all info. trying to make it easier to understand step by step etc for others.


RUSS ALSO  IF YOU NEED HELP ASSISTANCE OR MORE INFOR ON ANY AY ALSO POST IT

Daniel

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #44, on April 24th, 2012, 12:54 AM »Last edited on April 24th, 2012, 12:59 AM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Quote from securesupplies on April 23rd, 2012, 12:03 PM
Hey Russ

Reviewing video on HHG

build videos are good,
=====================================
but  With Gas Gun  there seam to be video detail missing

It would be good to complete the
build explanation.

can you offer a
1.led wiring diagram for leds, resistors   on boards

2.and  winding details the coils for vic component.

3.can you explain a little bit for vic coils awg and windings.
and how they are wired into unit

4.why it has coils on the gas gun
and how they were wound and what spec they were?

5. Where they wire to?

Summary of power  pulsing
going in

to

vic
leds
electrodes

(Also what centre corona wire did you end up using)?

info would complete  information so  easy to understand end to end
so others can start building confidently.

Work you have done is excellent but should be finished off as
just offering feed back after going through all info. trying to make it easier to understand step by step etc for others.


RUSS ALSO  IF YOU NEED HELP ASSISTANCE OR MORE INFOR ON ANY AY ALSO POST IT

Daniel
well... these are questions that can not be basters at the moment as replication in not complicate and i dont want to waist your time or mine,so at the time, i will reply when i get some more info on these answers.

the same with most other builds as we are so far in to R/D that we relay dont have the answers you are looking for. but. i will allays give all data i can as i get This stuff to work correctly!!! :)

thanks Daniel!

also, I'm starting you a project page... we can put the " final set there" as the threads are getting a bit buizy and it can be hard to fallow. i want to sort all the threads some time... so there better to fallow.

~Russ

securesupplies

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #45, on April 25th, 2012, 10:59 AM »
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on April 24th, 2012, 12:54 AM
Quote from securesupplies on April 23rd, 2012, 12:03 PM
Hey Russ

Reviewing video on HHG

build videos are good,
=====================================
but  With Gas Gun  there seam to be video detail missing

It would be good to complete the
build explanation.

can you offer a
1.led wiring diagram for leds, resistors   on boards

2.and  winding details the coils for vic component.

3.can you explain a little bit for vic coils awg and windings.
and how they are wired into unit

4.why it has coils on the gas gun
and how they were wound and what spec they were?

5. Where they wire to?

Summary of power  pulsing
going in

to

vic
leds
electrodes

(Also what centre corona wire did you end up using)?

info would complete  information so  easy to understand end to end
so others can start building confidently.

Work you have done is excellent but should be finished off as
just offering feed back after going through all info. trying to make it easier to understand step by step etc for others.


RUSS ALSO  IF YOU NEED HELP ASSISTANCE OR MORE INFOR ON ANY AY ALSO POST IT

Daniel
well... these are questions that can not be basters at the moment as replication in not complicate and i dont want to waist your time or mine,so at the time, i will reply when i get some more info on these answers.

the same with most other builds as we are so far in to R/D that we relay dont have the answers you are looking for. but. i will allays give all data i can as i get This stuff to work correctly!!! :)

thanks Daniel!

also, I'm starting you a project page... we can put the " final set there" as the threads are getting a bit buizy and it can be hard to fallow. i want to sort all the threads some time... so there better to fallow.

~Russ
OK Cool Russ

PLease post link for new location.

so we can continue to complete docs

Dan

reggaerican

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #46, on June 25th, 2012, 12:13 AM »
Sooo, in doing a bunch of research on this HGG I found a gadget called the "RUSKIN FILTER" sure you heard of it. The ruskin filter is basically a bunch of powerfull magnets forced together in a tube + to+ and - to -. In theory the magnets are supposed to re-align the hydro cells to be more ortho than para. now please quote me if in wrong, but isnt that kinda what the HGG does? Now I know the HGG for one is way cool to look (my kid said it looks like a light saber) and does more than just re-align the cells, but sounds like a good alternative for the poor man...
what you think?

Steve

~Russ

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #47, on June 25th, 2012, 04:21 AM »
Quote from reggaerican on June 25th, 2012, 12:13 AM
Sooo, in doing a bunch of research on this HGG I found a gadget called the "RUSKIN FILTER" sure you heard of it. The ruskin filter is basically a bunch of powerfull magnets forced together in a tube + to+ and - to -. In theory the magnets are supposed to re-align the hydro cells to be more ortho than para. now please quote me if in wrong, but isnt that kinda what the HGG does? Now I know the HGG for one is way cool to look (my kid said it looks like a light saber) and does more than just re-align the cells, but sounds like a good alternative for the poor man...
what you think?

Steve
hello, i have heard of this device and i believe it is deterrent, yes.

the HGG ionizes the modules " plucks off electrons" so i believe the theorys of how the  ruskin filter works is different?

thanks!!! and it seems this ruskin filter could be added  to a system for sure to help align the molecules for sure!

thanks, ~Russ

reggaerican

RE: Hydrogen gas gun, Gas Possessor, Gas Ionizer.
« Reply #48, on June 25th, 2012, 01:22 PM »
Hey russ, Thanks for putting my head on straight. I have been trying to process and put together so much info lately that I overlook what is right befor my eyes. I did see in the illustrations and literature how the HGG removes the negative electrons and the Ruskin filter basically harmonizes them. So are they the same? absolutly not! End result in both gadgets seems like a better quallity more usable gas? Now thats what I was really getting at Similar results "NOT" the same (disclaimer) lol..  Both together just might be something to explore.
Thanks again
Steve

securesupplies