Quote from freethisone on February 9th, 2014, 01:58 PM

greetings, its interesting to me that Russ has a new movie on old cameras. he gives a link..  /watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg   so what i did was take a look, low and behold another clue.
Ed please watch these vids, now you may get an idea what i was trying to say.  this man said it best.

but note the coils used by the scanner. the second coil that has 3 axis is right on the line i am try to convey.

so you can ponder the forces at work in the mir unit, and simply relate it to Stans work, and others who use a second cell or a coil.  so we can get a better understanding.  cheers.

thanks Russ...

here is a pat, and link. now you have more of an explanation than i can give. cheers
us 20100126846A1    https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts#q=us+20100126846A1&tbm=pts

I find this very interesting and will give a comment once I am done watching all of the videos if I see something taking place matches what is being talked about in the videos. Thanks for posting this :-)

Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

thanks for posting the video series on mri, and how hydrogen spin states operate.
Heres some info from those videos I found interesting:
only hydrogen protons effected, oxygen atoms not effected by the magnetism or resonance.
2 to 2.5khz was the frequency produced by spin rotation of H( 2.17khz in new zealand), dependent on earths magnetic field strength, hydrogen atoms jump from water molecule to water molecule ( never heard that before), earths mag. field strength approx 60microteslas, after polarising approx 2 sec for spin state to decay, transverse filed pulse 1msec ( 90degree procession), 2 msec gives reversal of spin direction, 90 deg procession 1 msec pulse, 180 deg reversal fired 0.3sec after 90deg pulse.
t1= 2sec for h20, t2=1.6sec for h20 ( t1 time for decay of spin, t2 time for decay of spin reversal)

Very interesting MRI,

The Main thing I took from that was the

USe Of Gradient Coil

This could be a  Surround  magnet , magnetic case, Gradient Coil or Magnetic Sheild.

What is does is prevent 3 axis of earth natural magnetic field lines, reducing the
Energised Hydrogen Atom returnin to normal state.

So whe we zap it with our special stepped pulse and high energy tech, led, volt etc,

we cicuit rests the hydrogen spin slowly steps down as it was stepped up with pules it solwly steps down
with the effect of earth beat/ magnetic  draw/ on the spin.

If we us a Gradient Coil or similar we may be able to hol the cell and hydrogen atm s in a high energy state longer
even a more effect capcitor.

This is a theory we have to try

Block materials  to surround cell coul be / magentics, Gradient Coils, or bistmuth
lots of reading happenign on this

please fine the best and post here

All the Best
Dan

Some really good points made in those videos Free.

Cooler temperatures would certainly help, but can be overcome with a strong enough magnetic field.

Resonance for the spin is only about 2-4 kHz.

The pre-charge coil with the phase delay at 90 degrees initially, magnetically polarizes the Hydrogen and has no effect on the Oxygen.  It can also be followed up with another pulse with the phase delay of 180 degrees.

If the magnetic field is homogenous, the polarizations can last for several seconds from a single pulse.



So with that much, what happens when you apply an electrostatic charge to magnetically polarized Hydrogen?  Does it break free of the Oxygen?  Could it be that easy?  And would the atomic Hydrogen bubble out as gas and not immediately recombine?

Suppose we use a single plate/tube cell, charge the water with an electrostatic potential, magnetically polarize the Hydrogen and then immediately reverse the electrostatic potential via the plate?  Would that be enough to pull apart the water molecule?  If it would, energy-wise the process would use minimal power.

Okay I just went through the videos up to 10 : 2D MRI and I will say yes there is something here of use to us with the way our pulse trains are sent to the VIC transformer. But something else I also picked up on is the need to have no magnetic field around the water or the coil when he put the wrench close to the coil. This for us represents the need to have non magnetic materials used for the water zones. Now you might see why our results vary so drastically from one persons experiment to the other depending on the materials used and the way the exciter array was designed. So, based on this information premade tubes can't be used as they now must be made from a solid stock or the decay time can be far too short for use if any magnetism is present in the materials making up the resonant cavities.

Now the goal hasn't changed as we still want to bring the voltage potential difference up to the point of reaching the threshold for ionization of the individual atoms that make up the water molecules. We have to get those electrons to be kicked out or ejected away from the atoms.

Now the good for me is the circuit I am using can easily be tuned so that this different types of pulsing can be realized and even better news is you all can have this circuit too.

Another thing I noticed is the current running in opposite directions just like Meyer has done with the use of bifilar wire and the way it is to be wired up. The currents are running in opposition to each other through the chokes so if you haven't already done so start making use of some premade bifilar wire so that your coil groups are far more consistent in the magnetic fields they produce and that they are of exactly the same length. I have already made use of bifilar wire many years ago as it was just impossible to wind the chokes trying to keep the two wires parallel to each other with any real consistency using two separate wires for the chokes.

Now as far as making use of a single plate or tube cell you must take into account what Meyer used and match it as best you can if you wish to have the same results. If a single plate or tube cell is used it must match the area of the injectors and the use of 430f or 403fr wire will have to be made use of to make up for the loss in resistance from going away from a series cell set up. Water is being used in the from of resistance which Meyer called "Re." Thus if you take away resistance from the system you must compensate for that resistance loss in other parts of the system and Meyer did so with his chokes as always remember his Voltage Intensifier Circuit is an isolated circuit on the secondary side.

As for wanting to reverse or switch the electrostatic potential back and forth that has been done already in Meyer's work and it's known as the, "Steam Resonator," for that will cause molecular friction something I think I might be experiencing some in my work but it is an unwanted effect.

I can tell you from experience that temperature has a lot to do with this technology as a hot exciter array will not take much of a charge but a cold one will take a lot of charge. So, now we have to look at building our prototypes with as much precision as possible as ever little variance can throw things way off of having a homogeneous field within each of the resonant cavities. We have to think of ways to control the temps so that temps stay low or are set to a fixed level for the system so that the results can be predictable and/or the same every time we run an experiment. Make sure to note the temperatures before, during, and after your experiments so that you can keep things consistent as the waters resistance really changes with changes in temperatures. Keep that in mind as you design your own exciter arrays for you want to keep the temps consistent throughout the whole exciter array as much as possible so that it has an homogeneous temperature throughout the array.

In the designs I am using I can control the temps by adding in a temperature control system to the filtration part of the set up that doesn't impact the alignment of the water molecules by trying to push unmagnetically aligned water through the plates or tubes. In one of my experiments I noticed this as when I turned on the pump the amps flowing through the system went up and the gas production went down as I just knocked the water molecules out of alignment. Basically this magnetic alignment just said we can not push water through the tubes and in some of Meyer's videos he talks about them needing to draw in their own water. With the injectors I guess he had that timing all figured out.

There is more to learn from all of this and I will keep my thinking hat on if I can think of anything else that helps us achieve the goal if reaching the threshold of ionization. As you all can hopefully see it's good to have a goal to work towards.

Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

ok this is a good chat here,

I have heard before ioniing or manetically charging flowing water changes the angle of structure, so this is true

but

in this proposed advance it is very simple,

we create the ideal VOID (magnetic Void and water bath and electrodes are in the centre of this void.
Magnetic void meaning(void from earth magnetics)

So

We can apply a 90' charge to water initally and when we are pulsing it will loose energy much slower and the
angle of structur ewill stay close to breaking longer, as we have reducing or remved the earth damping effect from magnisium.


Keep thinking on this one

a simple circuit may do this.

PLease check global kast website he has a interesting graphic on home page which is very close to this thinking

Dan

Now this electric charging effect has two parts to it when trying to break the bonds of the water molecules using this ionization method. First is the polar alignment of the water molecules and then the charging of the two charging chokes. By the way this transformer is designed the chokes and secondary are wound in such a way as to ramp up the voltage upon magnetic field collapse or that is to say when the square wave pulse ends. It is very important to get a fast magnetic field decay time to get the greatest effects from this type of set up.

In a simplified view of the VIC transformer:

The chokes and secondary act as chargers through the exciter array which is being used as a resistor of sorts to keep the system from shorting out. The reason why I say this is a simplified view of the VIC transformer is what is not shown is the true amount of coil groups or the true amount of resonant cavities being used. I have experimented with resonant cavities ranging from 1-62 hooked up in various ways. I prefer to use 10 resonant cavities but have noticed that adding resonant cavities to the system has the effect of lightening the load on the VIC transformer and higher voltages can be reached as a result, but there is a catch to doing this. Every time a new resonant cavity is added to the system the voltage produced by the VIC transformer is divided equally between each of the resonant cavities. Now I have gotten as high as 580 volts per resonant cavity in a 10 cell set up which means the VIC transformer is producing 5.8 kv and now you run into another problem which is the air surrounding the transformer becomes ionized and will build up a voltage that will short out the transformer with the eddy currents flowing through the core. The solution to this problem is to take away the air by either vacuum epoxy sealing the bobbin forms or by full immersion in transformer oil. My choice was to make use of some transformer oil as the epoxy solution is a permanent one and no corrections can be made once the epoxy has cured and I need to make corrections as I figure this technology out in the most cost effective way that I can find to do so.
Now in looking at Cd1, Cd2, and Cp the capacitance of Cp is so small that it can be ignored as the two much larger capacitors just see each other with a resistor (Re) between them which keeps them from shorting out the circuit as a whole. This is a direct short condition but resistance has been added to allow the system to build up some very high voltage potentials between the two chokes Cd1 & Cd2 hooked up directly to the exciter array. Now in a non simplified view there are up to Cd26 in the figure 6-1 VIC transformer as each choke pack has 13 bobbin spaces and each bobbin space has two chokes in them with the end chokes in opposite directions of the coil group array hooked to the exciter array. Each choke group is hooked up in series to it's neighbor so that when the magnetic field collapses an inductive kick voltage is produced that gets multiplied throughout this series arrangement. This is why it is very important to hook up the VIC transformer correctly as shown to us by Don Gable all those years ago. What was missing in Don's work was just how each of the nine transformers where hooked up to the exciter array for when he got to the technology it was all in a box. I go over how they were all hooked up here: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-failing-to-learn-making-good-use-of-the-scientific-method/

These lessons which I am sharing with you have been learned the old fashion way by trial and error with real hands on experimenting and not just sitting behind a keyboard or in some think-tank thinking about things. The MRI videos give us some insight into knowing more about the behavior of water in an electric field but really nothing more. We must refocus our attention on the technology looking at each and every part of it in great detail. When you have a series of inductors all wired in series and you collapse a magnetic field on the all at the same time what you end up with is a ramped up voltage. Meyer set things in motion to achieve two voltage ramping effects one in the positive direction and another in the negative direction as depicted here in this drawing:

Where this charge effect is being brought on by the arrangements of the charging chokes and a very fast magnetic field decay time the faster the magnetic field decay time the better as it has this relationship V = L di/dt. This is why the square waves being sent to the primary must be nice, sharp, and clean. Again the circuit I am using can be had by all and it produces very clean squarewaves and can produce all kinds of pulsing train signals to send to the primary coil. And if I may be so bold what is truly needed here to share effectively is some sort of standardization. Those with single cell set ups can share their results with each other but not with someone that has a 6 cell set up and so forth due to the loads demands being placed on the transformer will make the transformer far different looking and even comprised of different materials than the other. I work with 10 and 12 cell set ups so the transformers that are designed and geared to power them up will be a lot different than those used for the injectors or other single or parallel cell setups as mines are all hooked up in series. When in Rome do as the Romans do if you want the same results.

Much work remains,
Edward

Quote from securesupplies on February 8th, 2014, 05:57 PM

Thank you for your Time to answer correctly Ed, Appreciated,
We all will endeavor further.   Every little bit of thought helps each other.

I have heard on other thread here, that a magnetic resistance is used on coil vic,  to lower the Amps
I have also Learnt that Wires in series, (side by side/in replace of heavy guage) as well as cell in series lowers amps
greatly also just a note, it may be why some weird muti pin  plugs are shown around the place  ,

I will Post notes here in a little while on this

Links   

(PLEASE WATCH WITH OPEN MIND AND APPLY THE ADAPTION TO WHAT WE KNOW)
THESE ARE FACTS AND ONLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED TO WHAT STEPHEN DID FOR STAN>

Parrallel Wires have lower resistance than heavy gauges

Video on Parallel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy71bXcoveE&feature=share&list=PLEF4960792301EDFE

Notes on Series Plates to understand Stan and what Ed Mentioned above.

VIdeo for cells

The Tech shown can be directly applied to Meyer Tubes and 11 Cell Etc
Insulated Cells in Series

All the Best

Remember to Share the Knowledge Please.
Invite LPG Ngv INstallers

Daniel

Hi Dan,
I go over the difference between using Meyer's technology and Dr. Faraday's technology here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=9607&postcount=33
This was done to help everyone see just how they are different in a way that I hope can be easily understood.

And this is just a little more on magnetic couplings:

so that everyone can learn the progression of Meyer's work over time with each new design.

Edward

Thank you ed

Ed I am want to invest alot of time discussing coil with manufacturers
I think german coil we very close and have a very strong reliable design .

Can we put down some Coil Spec,

out put
input
style amp resistance etc

that is things they under stand

I can ask them to offer some thing to test they will do it as talking with me about it at this time

Dan