Quote from Matt Watts on December 9th, 2013, 07:57 PM

Quote from bussi04 on December 9th, 2013, 06:51 PM

Russ has made another video at Boulder documenting Edward Mitchell´s Stan Meyer type setup putting high voltage into the water fuel capacitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnRdiKbINM

enjoy!

That last statement, "When I'm done, you will know what I know.", sounds like a challenge to me.  I'm pretty old, slow and there's a lot of calcification in my brain, but if you are up to the challenge, I'll try to learn.

I still think there is something far different than just typical high voltage pulses going through that water, something we need to figure out.  Scalar waves maybe?  Yes, whatever it is, we need to understand it better, then we can really use it.  And as for, "The scope doesn't lie.", I suspect the scope doesn't tell the whole story either--just reference guys like Tesla and Leedskalnin.

Hi Matt,

I told Russ just about all there was to tell so he now knows what I know, though I did make a mistake about the parallel connecting of the transformers as told in this post: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-failing-to-learn-making-good-use-of-the-scientific-method/

As far as understanding the technology goes learn all you can about atoms and how they ionize as science doesn't tell the full story. When you look at how a leaf breaks down the water molecules you will learn that it traps the electrons so that the water molecules break apart. It uses sunlight, at the correct wavelengths, and potential difference with no current perfectly, and the spacing between it's potential zones are only a few molecules thick.

It really doesn't have anything to do with scalar waves, gas clusters, or anything like that, it's just simple ionization taking place in a new medium we are not use to dealing with. The use of the word medium is where the reaction takes place in referring to gas (air), liquid, or a solid medium. A lot of us know a little something about ionization in an air medium but know next to nothing about ionization in a liquid medium and most simply didn't know that it is possible too ionize atoms in a liquid medium. Meyer's technology is capable of ionizing the atoms even in a solid medium like ice breaking water in it's solid form directly into ionized hydrogen and oxygen gases. In the past you have heard me talking about this drawing:

This waveform is brought on by transformer action and yes it is some sort of an A/C waveform. But now think about ionization as this is where your mind should be. Air ionizes better in A/C than it does D/C correct? But now you have to get down to the what is actually being ionized so that you understand just what is taking place.

The oxygen molecules are being broken down into monatomic oxygen atoms when the electrons, by way of ionization, are free to move away from the atom. It is the electrons job to hold the molecules together and if something allows them to just take off the molecules simply falls apart.

When most people hear what I am saying about this they think I am coming out of left field and you know what? I am. As this technology is totally new in how it works and being so you can't pick up a book and learn much about it, thus you are forced to make use of the scientific method as I have been using for the past several years.

Now we want to ionized the oxygen atoms when they are making up the water molecules with hydrogen. And as a bonus hydrogen's ionization energy level is just about the same as oxygens. So, you need a potential difference of the proper voltage being applied to the atoms that make up the water molecules while restricting the flow of amps into the milliamp range. The waveform shown in figure 10-5 is sort of correct but you must now be able to understand the many different forms of drawings as this is what we in architecture call a block drawing and they are not blueprints as they can legally lie in most cases so look up what is a block drawing you can learn more about them. Now some of this is new to you but a lot of this is something you have heard before, right? Learn to toss out all the things leading you away from ionization and then it all becomes clear what you have to do.

There is a reason why this technology has not been solved since the death of Stanley A. Meyer and that reason is people lost sight of true scientific principles in favor of the quick and easy guess methodology. And given the time that has went by it should be clear by now that guessing didn't work out all that well for practically all that gave this technology a try. From reading drawings wrong to just plain making stuff up people have really made a mess of this technology bigtime to the point where no one knows which way to go anymore. All that are left working on this technology now are the most stubborn people left on this planet for he most part. The rest simply don't have the skills necessary to be able to reason this technology out. Without making use of the scientific method this technology is impossible to figure out as it is something totally new to us.

So, looking at figure 10-5 knowing we are now using a modified A/C wave to place a potential difference on the atoms in a liquid medium we can start to see how it all truly works. Get the atoms to go into a state of ionization and they all sort of quit their day jobs.


As can be seen I am putting 5.2 kv to the cell while at the same time restricting the flow of amps as in this shot the amps flowing through the cell are only around 25 ma. But the waveform isn't what it should be as I am not getting a strong enough negative step charging effect, so I too am not out of the woods totally even though I understand what needs to be done. Like everyone else I have to lean to build it all correctly the old fashion way through trial and error. But from what I have shown and told you it be clear by now that I am getting to the point of allowing voltage to take over while restricting the flow of amps just as Meyer said he was doing.

Why people don't follow my lead is a total mystery to me? Having heard Meyer's talk about putting high voltages to the water bath and then turning around a listening to someone telling you you don't need to do so is beyond my ability to comprehend. But looking at the replies to this thread and any other thread that someone has dared to post the interview of Gunther and I at the Global BEM has been a total rejection of this technology as if they have seen someone getting far better results with their efforts to allow voltage to take over while restricting the flow of amps.

Not only do I tell people to hook up their cells in series I show them and also show getting some high voltages to the exciter array and others come right behind me and tell people that's a total waste of time and everyone seems to listen to them for some crazy reason. They say, he's not really getting high voltages to his cells as the voltage he is showing has to be divided evenly to all of his cells, well, did you yourselves to the math on that one? Here let me show you as it's simple 5200/12= 433 volts per cell. Now who in here has seen voltages this high being place on a cell before without that someone cheating by coating the cells with some illegal substance Meyer never used and/or ever talked about using before?

Then there are my personal favorites that go around telling everyone that owe he isn't making any gas so therefore he must be doing it wrong as Meyer was making gas. These are the people that totally fail to understand how ionization actually works even with leading questions like the one I ask and answered in my last post here. If you don't reach the ionization threshold for the atoms then you simply don't get any gas production as you haven't paid the atoms enough to walk off of their jobs yet. They will only walk away from their jobs if you pay them the right amount of money or higher as they have their pride you know and will only lower their standards if you shine some pretty lights in their face but it too must be something they really like.

I know I can be hard on people as I simply will not accept information from any of these keyboard only lab technicians who's only real lab time is mostly spent dreaming about it in their heads. Nor will I accept anyone that tosses out the scientific method as from my point of view we really don't have anything to talk about. If your not someone that ever makes it to the lab so you can fail to learn I more than likely will simply ignore you as that is what I have to do in order to keep my notes clean of gute feelings and personal beliefs. Basically if you have an idea try it, observe the results, and figure out if those results did or did not answer the original question. Then you must share your results be it good or bad as then you will be able to learn from your mistakes and perhaps one day learn to walk.

Some perceive me as being arrogant or full of pride or something along those lines but really I just make use of the scientific method and can tell you have failed so many times I have lost count but each time I failed I learned something. And now it seems I am learning how to crawl perhaps one day soon I will learn how to walk and always remember I did it by failing to learn and never giving up.

If you want this you are going to have to be the one that makes it happen on your own or wait until something comes to market as these are your only two choices.

GodSpeed everyone,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Quote from Edward Mitchell on December 11th, 2013, 09:57 AM

Quote from Matt Watts on December 9th, 2013, 07:57 PM

Quote from bussi04 on December 9th, 2013, 06:51 PM

Russ has made another video at Boulder documenting Edward Mitchell´s Stan Meyer type setup putting high voltage into the water fuel capacitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnRdiKbINM

enjoy!

That last statement, "When I'm done, you will know what I know.", sounds like a challenge to me.  I'm pretty old, slow and there's a lot of calcification in my brain, but if you are up to the challenge, I'll try to learn.

I still think there is something far different than just typical high voltage pulses going through that water, something we need to figure out.  Scalar waves maybe?  Yes, whatever it is, we need to understand it better, then we can really use it.  And as for, "The scope doesn't lie.", I suspect the scope doesn't tell the whole story either--just reference guys like Tesla and Leedskalnin.

Hi Matt,

I told Russ just about all there was to tell so he now knows what I know, though I did make a mistake about the parallel connecting of the transformers as told in this post: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-failing-to-learn-making-good-use-of-the-scientific-method/

As far as understanding the technology goes learn all you can about atoms and how they ionize as science doesn't tell the full story. When you look at how a leaf breaks down the water molecules you will learn that it traps the electrons so that the water molecules break apart. It uses sunlight, at the correct wavelengths, and potential difference with no current perfectly, and the spacing between it's potential zones are only a few molecules thick.

It really doesn't have anything to do with scalar waves, gas clusters, or anything like that, it's just simple ionization taking place in a new medium we are not use to dealing with. The use of the word medium is where the reaction takes place in referring to gas (air), liquid, or a solid medium. A lot of us know a little something about ionization in an air medium but know next to nothing about ionization in a liquid medium and most simply didn't know that it is possible too ionize atoms in a liquid medium. Meyer's technology is capable of ionizing the atoms even in a solid medium like ice breaking water in it's solid form directly into ionized hydrogen and oxygen gases. In the past you have heard me talking about this drawing:

This waveform is brought on by transformer action and yes it is some sort of an A/C waveform. But now think about ionization as this is where your mind should be. Air ionizes better in A/C than it does D/C correct? But now you have to get down to just what is actually being ionized so that you understand exactly what is taking place.

The oxygen molecules are being broken down into monatomic oxygen atoms when the electrons, by way of ionization, are free to move away from the atoms. It is the electrons job to hold the molecules together and if something allows them to just take off the molecules simply falls apart.

When most people hear what I am saying about this they think I am coming out of left field and you know what? I am. As this technology is totally new in how it works and being so you can't pick up a book and learn much about it, thus you are forced to make use of the scientific method as I have been using for the past several years.

Now we want to ionized the oxygen atoms when they are making up the water molecules with hydrogen. And as a bonus hydrogen's ionization energy level is just about the same as oxygens. So, you need a potential difference of the proper voltage being applied to the atoms that make up the water molecules while restricting the flow of amps into the milliamp range. The waveform shown in figure 10-5 is sort of correct but you must now be able to understand the many different forms of drawings as this is what we in architecture call a block drawing and they are not blueprints as they can legally lie in most cases so look up what is a block drawing so you can learn more about them. Now some of this is new to you but a lot of this is something you have heard before, right? Learn to toss out all the things leading you away from ionization and then it all becomes clear what you have to do.

There is a reason why this technology has not been solved since the death of Stanley A. Meyer and that reason is people lost sight of true scientific principles in favor of the quick and easy guess methodology. And given the time that has went by it should be clear by now that guessing didn't work out all that well for practically all that gave this technology a try. From reading drawings wrong to just plain making stuff up people have really made a mess of this technology bigtime to the point where no one knows which way to go anymore. All that are left working on this technology now are the most stubborn people left on this planet for the most part. The rest simply don't have the skills necessary to be able to reason this technology out, or the equipment needed to make proper measurements, and in most cases a total lack of understanding of science in general when it comes to dealing with unknowns. Without making use of the scientific method this technology, if you take into account how much time has passed, is impossible to figure out without the use of the scientific method as it is something totally new to us.

So, looking at figure 10-5 knowing we are now using a modified A/C wave to place a potential difference on the atoms in a liquid medium we can start to see how it all truly works. Get the atoms to go into a state of ionization and they all sort of quit their day jobs.


As can be seen I am putting 5.2 kv to the cell while at the same time restricting the flow of amps as in this shot the amps flowing through the cell are only around 25 ma. But the waveform isn't what it should be as I am not getting a strong enough negative step charging effect, so I too am not out of the woods totally even though I understand what needs to be done. Like everyone else I have to lean to build it all correctly the old fashion way through trial and error asking and answering questions. But from what I have shown and told you it should be clear by now that I am getting to the point of allowing voltage to take over while restricting the flow of amps just as Meyer said he was doing.

Why people don't follow my lead is a total mystery to me? Having heard Meyer's talk about putting high voltages to the water bath and then turning around a listening to someone telling you you don't need to do so is beyond my ability to comprehend. But looking at the replies to this thread and any other thread that someone has dared to post the interview of Gunther and I at the Global BEM has been a total rejection of this technology as if they have seen someone getting far better results with their efforts to allow voltage to take over while restricting the flow of amps.

Not only do I tell people to hook up their cells in series I show them and also show myself getting some high voltages to the exciter array and others come right behind me and tell people that's a total waste of time and everyone seems to listen to them for some crazy reason. They say, he's not really getting high voltages to his cells as the voltage he is showing has to be divided evenly to all of his cells, well, did you yourselves do the math on that one? Here let me show you as it's simple 5200/12= 433 volts per cell. Now who in here has seen voltages this high being place on a cell before without that someone cheating by coating the cells with some illegal substance Meyer never used and/or ever talked about using before?

Then there are my personal favorites that go around telling everyone that oh he isn't making any gas so therefore he must be doing it wrong as Meyer was making gas. These are the people that totally fail to understand how ionization actually works even with leading questions like the one I ask and answered in my last post here. If you don't reach the ionization threshold for the atoms then you simply don't get any gas production as you haven't paid the atoms enough to walk off of their jobs yet. They will only walk away from their jobs if you pay them the right amount of money or higher as they have their pride you know and will only lower their standards if you shine some pretty lights in their face but it too must be something they really like.

I know I can be hard on people as I simply will not accept information from any of these keyboard only lab technicians who's only real lab time is mostly spent dreaming about it in their heads. Nor will I accept anyone that tosses out the scientific method as from my point of view we really don't have anything to talk about. If your not someone that ever makes it to the lab so you can fail to learn I more than likely will simply ignore you as that is what I have to do in order to keep my notes clean of gute feelings and personal beliefs. Basically if you have an idea try it, observe the results, and figure out if those results did or did not answer the original question. Then you must share your results be it good or bad as then you will be able to learn from your mistakes and perhaps one day learn to walk.

Some perceive me as being arrogant or full of pride or something along those lines but really I just make use of the scientific method and can tell you have failed so many times I have lost count but each time I failed I learned something. And now it seems I am learning how to crawl perhaps one day soon I will learn how to walk and always remember I did it by failing to learn and never giving up.

If you want this you are going to have to be the one that makes it happen on your own or wait until something comes to market for you to buy as these are your only two choices.

GodSpeed everyone,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

I assume that most people in these forums don´t dare to invest any money in their own experiments. that were a risk for loss of money ...

so it´s much cheaper and easier for them to simulate experiments in their brains and have a nice tech talk about their fantasies than building cell after cell and transformer after transformer or something else in an iterative process for creating results causing a learning and optimizing procedure.

and while we are still in discussions here the real experts are making their money somewhere else in companies and organizations all around the world.

and whenever true results are presented here there is a danger for critizism and competition instead of cooperation.

that can´t work at all.

So I say thank you to Edward for introducing the scientific method for focussing on the important facts and making good use of experimental results!

to be honest - most of us here don´t seem to be scientists or that much skilled in the art.

nevertheless we try to deal with scientific stuff.

how can that fit at all?

by chance? by using junk from the box-room?

No!

if we want to create results as the professionals do day by day then we have to educate ourselves and educate each other as they do.

life long learning ...

so we have to learn which tools can we use and which equipment do we need to start our scientific endeavour.

we have to learn about benefits and restrictions of our equipment.

i.e. an oscilloscope is a must for our projects dealing with electricity and electronics. if we don´t have the money we can´t start our project until we´ve got our preconditions done.

of course we also need to know that those instruments can cheat on us if we don´t use them properly.

these are basic initial steps into the subject long before we can expect to get any serious results from our project.

funny starter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hlkRcTmFxY

and if someone starts a project and something doesn´t work as expected it´s a wrong assumption to say that it doesn´t work. it only shows that he didn´t get it working and he has to look for improvement.


and now imagine what performance our forums could have if that were a collective effort and there were a large group of developers and there were a common understanding of scientific approach ...

my recent question here in the forum about who were willing to invest thousands of $$$ in building components with a chance but no guarantee for success remained almost unanswered and so I think that there are only few outside willing to take any risk by leaving their comfort zone ...

that seems to be life guys ...

I have to agree with you bussi, they are very few things that can be simulated. They are things happining within the VIC circuit that simulators does not have built into them. If this could be simulated in simulator program this would have been figured out years ago. I have tried simulating the results that I am getting and the simulator just want do it. So my opinion a simulator program is useless. People need to build an study each and every part an make changes to those parts and see what effect it has on the circuit. When I see people doing this I will listen to them otherwise I will continue doing what I am doing and only listen and learn from those that at least has a VIC circuit that they are working with and not just looking at it hoping it will come alive on it's own someday. A simulator program is only as good as the person who wrote it, just food for thought.

Quote from Edward Mitchell on December 11th, 2013, 09:57 AM

Quote from Matt Watts on December 9th, 2013, 07:57 PM

Quote from bussi04 on December 9th, 2013, 06:51 PM

"Not only do I tell people to hook up their cells in series I show them and also show myself getting some high voltages to the exciter array and others come right behind me and tell people that's a total waste of time and everyone seems to listen to them for some crazy reason."

Connecting cells in series does have its advantages. Even dou in the video bellow im not using a high voltage transformer im getting effects i wouldent get with just a paralell conection.



http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1585

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-3LYyDVEo

Well Bussi, I agree with most of what you have stated. But many of us here, have spent thousands as you say, with some results of a kind. I know in my case this has been so, but with health problems, operations I have had, losing my job because of this, starting a new job with less money and the list goes on, not belly aching so to speak, but life has a way of getting in the way of things we would like/wish to do.
 I know you understand this and are able to put yourself in others shoes, so things are not as you assume they are.

Quote "I assume that most people in these forums don´t dare to invest any money in their own experiments. that were a risk for loss of money ...

so it´s much cheaper and easier for them to simulate experiments in their brains and have a nice tech talk about their fantasies than building cell after cell and transformer after transformer or something else in an iterative process for creating results causing a learning and optimizing procedure.

and while we are still in discussions here the real experts are making their money somewhere else in companies and organizations all around the world.

and whenever true results are presented here there is a danger for critizism and competition instead of cooperation." End of quote.

Maybe a few here this is the case but for most of us, it's just life getting in the way, thanks for all your hard work and contributions Bussi, we do appreciate your help and guidance. :D:P

Here is Stan's opposite voltage charging effect.
Beside it is what I am getting from the secondary.
Notice the voltage and the frequency. I have 10.7 volts at 0.01Amp going to the primary at 5075 Khz. with 8 pulses at a 50% duty cycle and 100Hz gating.
This is why it is important to build and test. As I stated 2014 will be the year. Special thanks goes out to Bussi04 for the P-Gen and helping me get it set up, Stan said the electronics would get smaller as more advanced electronics became available and he was right again.

That looks absolutely amazing GPS, keep up the good work

Quote from gpssonar on December 15th, 2013, 10:07 AM

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Notice the voltage and the frequency. I have 10.7 volts at 0.01Amp going to the primary at 5075 Khz. with 8 pulses at a 50% duty cycle and 100Hz gating.
...

Thank you gpssonar for making good use of PGen pulse generator.

for your convenience and to be compliant to PSOC5-users you can describe your pulsetrain better by a microsecond notation:

Exactly Gunther, This P-Gen is simply amazing and very simple to use. I wish I had took your advice and got it sooner. What is so amazing is you can change any value, in increments that you choose and see exactly what it is doing to the circuit on the scope. Just totally amazing, I can't put it away. You can see things happen on the scope that will normally get skipped over by other frequency generators because of the lack of precision or graduations. I've got a Agilent waverform generator and frequency counter that cost over $3000.00 and this P-Gen just took both there place for working on Stan Meyers technology project.

It's good to see people finally starting to see the value of making use of the scientific method even if used loosely as this way notes are taken and the path of truth is found by trial and error. Most if not all of what I talk about comes from my experiments and if I haven't tried something I will say so as to me people have a right to know if the things that are being said comes from an actual experiment or from creative thinking or both.

Like Bussi says if you don't have the tools for the job you can't be apart of this and I will expand on this. If you don't have an oscilloscope, high voltage differential probes, or any other measuring device that is needed to observe this technology first hand, if also requires that you know how to use these things. For someone to make a thread telling the world they have Meyer's technology all figured out but the don't have an oscilloscope or anything else that I mentioned they you have lied not only to yourself be all of us as a whole. For you can not hear resonance, though you can hear patterns, so you must have an oscilloscope to be able to see these things. Having the correct type of probe is also a must for this set up has an isolated side that is actively seeking to dump it's stored energy on to something.
At the Global BEM I truly thank God for John Fraser for the interview as I finally was able to give out the key to how all of this technology works while at the same time retaining my creativity, designs, and art work that are solely for my company and anyone I choose to share them with. Everyone by now should be able to see fully that I am doing as Meyer always talked about doing in that I am allowing voltage to take over while restricting the flow of amps just like he talked about in all of his lecture videos. So when you hear someone say that hooking up the water capacitors in series is a waste of time take stock in that person and measure them up to what you see and know Meyer was doing. We all know that the exciter array that ran Meyer's dune buggy had the water capacitors wired up in series. But what we should and must do is bring out the child inside and ask, "Why?" But unlike a child we must answer the question or take from what others have said abou about it and put it to the test to verify what they are saying by way of experimentation as that is the only way to be sure. If you find that you are unable to test for any reason at all then you must be honest with the group as a whole and yourself and sit this one out. For those that can measure their results the asking and answering of these questions leads to a deeper understanding of this technology.

For you will note that when you do hook up the capacitors in series you will get a higher voltage per cell than you do with just one water capacitor hooked up the VIC transformer, but you must remember to ask why and answer any and all questions that you come up with. I have the ability to put things in simply terms so that the everyday man can understand what is going on. When the water capacitors are hooked up in series they add more resistance to the system thus lightening the load that is being placed on the transformer. Now some of you have heard me make this analogy before but some have not so bear with me if this is a repeat for you, okay? This is just the same as hooking up some stereo speakers to an amplifier. If you have an amplifier rated for 8 ohms but all you have are 1 ohm speakers you must hook up 8 speakers in series so that the amplifier can be able to drive them correctly for if you hook up than eight the amplifier will not be able to coup with the load. Some will burn out and other will just put out greater amounts of distortion. If you hook up more than eight speakers to the amplifier it will not complain about it for it was designed to handle loads from 8 ohms or more. This technology is no different in that respect as the more water capacitors hooked up in series the lighter the load that will be placed on the VIC transformer, but there's a catch. You can't add on too many water capacitors in series for then the wires insulation used for the transformer will be exceeded resulting in a burnt out transformer.  I will generally use between 10-12 water capacitors hooked up in series but you can use less if you increase the space gap between the water capacitors to make up for the loss resistance of using less water capacitors hooked up in series. This load lightening has a name and is properly called impedance matching. Since I don't have the equipment to take full measurements of this type I have to solve the problem through trial and error by building testing and observing the results and then asking and answering questions to see if what was tried aided the mission with a positive or negative result. I won't lie to you this method takes a lot of time and effort but the results are solid when you get them if you keep what you figure out honest and not try to put something into what you observe that physically isn't taking place in the real world but only in the mind. If you make a guess test it as that way you will keep on moving forwards if you follow through with the scientific method as that is what it is all about testing ideas until the true path is found for the observations made.

I gave everyone the key to just how Meyer made use of water as a source of fuel and can only say that is no different from leading some horses to water as I can lead them there but I can't make them drink. I even ask and answered a question designed to show you that the idea is sound for the idea can be taken to other technologies that work the same as this that we all know about and/or can look up and learn about.

Recently I just got into a shoving match with a friend and it is clear to me that something is not right as we both have the same set up or that is to say we have the VIC transformer hooked up to the water capacitors the exact same way and our scope shots show that we have exactly the same waveform but there is a difference in that his shows what happens when you place too great of a load on the VIC transformer as the only difference between our two setups is he has two water capacitors hooked up in series and I have twelve water capacitors hooked in series for the most part. But from the comments made it is clear that a lot of people don't know how to read their oscilloscopes and that these people are expecting two systems that are the same to be quite different from each other which is crazy. Again using an analogy that all can understand those people that commented all think that if the both of us had brought a car amplifier of the same make and power output that when we hooked them up should expect totally different results which again is crazy to think something like that. But post after post everyone says that we don't have the same waveform for they don't look the same in shape and size but they are the same if you take a close look at them. Take a look for yourselves with this analogy in mind that I just gave you to think over.
 
Here are the only differences between my friend Max Miller's scope shot and my own:
1. He has only two water capacitors hooked up to the VIC transformer and I have twelve water capacitors hook up to the VIC transformer.
2. He has six pulses going to the primary of the VIC transformer and I have five pulses going to the primary of the VIC transformer.
3. We have different power supplies but that really doesn't make all that much of a difference in the shape of the waveform.
4. Know that you are looking for a figure 10-5 waveform and that what is shown in the SMTB is a block drawing which is not like the real thing is going to look like.

Now you can count that I have a total of 10 pulses and Max has a total of 12 pulses as remember there is a blocking diode so only the positive pulses are being sent to the chokes. So then you are to count all peaks on the positive side of the zero line and the negative side of the zero line separately. With the first two pulses we start off the same showing a large negative pulse followed by a smaller negative pulse, then mines starts to charge in the negative direction and Max's does not due to the heavy load he placed on this VIC transformer only having two cells hooked up in series. Re is the resistance water has from what Meyer calls it in his patents and I have far more resistance than Max does in this set up with twelve water capacitors hooked up in series. The result voltage wize is Max is getting 180 volts peak to peak if you add them up and I am getting 433 volts peak to peak per each water capacitor.
 We do in fact have the same waveform and that is what we should expect given we both have the VIC transformer hooked up to the water capacitors in exactly the same way for it would be crazy to think otherwise. Now Max does have the ability to hook up 10 or 11 water capacitors hooked up in series to the VIC transformer if he so wants to do as he has two or more exciter arrays that have 10 and 11 water capacitors already made and ready for use. More than likely his waveform would be better than mines for reasons I won't go into for it's complicated.

Bussi and I have been running a lot of test and have managed to get up to 5.8 kv to a cell with 10 capacitors hooked up in series but we found that we still fell short of the threshold for ionization of the atoms and the average amps flowing through the cell was 25 ma. All experiments are pointing towards high voltage and low amperage being applied to the exciter array just as Meyer talks about in his lecture videos from what we are doing right now which give us confidence in what we are doing is correct and we only need to keep doing things to keep raising the voltage while increasing the amp restriction at the same time. Our goal is to ionize the atoms that make up the water molecules and we hope that this to becomes your goal so too you can start getting the same results.

Take care everyone and happy experimenting,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Quote from gpssonar on December 15th, 2013, 04:50 PM

Exactly Gunther, This P-Gen is simply amazing and very simple to use. I wish I had took your advice and got it sooner. What is so amazing is you can change any value, in increments that you choose and see exactly what it is doing to the circuit on the scope. Just totally amazing, I can't put it away. You can see things happen on the scope that will normally get skipped over by other frequency generators because of the lack of precision or graduations. I've got a Agilent waverform generator and frequency counter that cost over $3000.00 and this P-Gen just took both there place for working on Stan Meyers technology project.

Wow GPS I can feel your excitement growing and with that mine as well, looks like bussi's P-Gen will be the precision ticket we need :cool::D:P.

Yes Jeff, seriously I know I may sound like a salesman or something but just having it a couple days has taught me more about Stand Vic circuit than I ever dreamed. It,s just things you can see in slow motion that you can,t see dialing in by hand. Like I said it don,t skip over anything like all other dial frequency genarators do. It,s just totally amazing.

Quote from bussi04 on December 15th, 2013, 04:36 PM

for your convenience and to be compliant to PSOC5-users you can describe your pulsetrain better by a microsecond notation:

Thank you Bussi.  As long as things are shared here in a way they can be replicated, what equipment is used to replicate them isn't important.  The best possible knowledge transfer happens when you accurately describe what you are trying to do as well as showing what your instruments are actually reading and how they are hooked up.  Do that and everyone will be a winner.

As far as the PGen is concerned, it is an excellent signal generation prototyping device.  Once you guys have this dialed-in and know exactly what is needed, we can make a far more simple circuit that does exactly what is needed and freely distribute that out OpenSource to anyone interested.

BTW, I have Moray King's ear.  He is still very optimistic and dying to get some data to ponder over.  Anything you are willing to share, please do so.  The more eyes we get on this, the sooner we will have a workable process and ultimately a solution.


Working on another pulsed hybrid system (not a Meyer setup), I saw with my own eyes:
1.075 specific gravity on the electrolyte
Foggy cold gas
Magnetic flux in the cell
5.58 LpM  (1 Liter in 10.75 seconds)
200 volts at 3.5 amps (700 watts)
125 watts per liter/min

That beats Faraday by 15 watts per liter/min.  So I know its possible.  Now lets knock this puppy out of the park guys.

Quote from Jeff Nading on December 15th, 2013, 06:44 PM

Quote from gpssonar on December 15th, 2013, 04:50 PM

Exactly Gunther, This P-Gen is simply amazing and very simple to use. I wish I had took your advice and got it sooner. What is so amazing is you can change any value, in increments that you choose and see exactly what it is doing to the circuit on the scope. Just totally amazing, I can't put it away. You can see things happen on the scope that will normally get skipped over by other frequency generators because of the lack of precision or graduations. I've got a Agilent waverform generator and frequency counter that cost over $3000.00 and this P-Gen just took both there place for working on Stan Meyers technology project.

Wow GPS I can feel your excitement growing and with that mine as well, looks like bussi's P-Gen will be the precision ticket we need :cool::D:P.

This is the circuit I have been using since March of 2012 and it's a combined effort between bussi and myself in that he would ask what I needed a circuit to do and I would answer him to the best of my abilities to do so and like magic he would get it done somehow. You see in this area the realm of circuits is one that is beyond my abilities so I asked for help while I was at the Energetic Forum and God sent me bussi. Together we worked back and forth until a circuit was born that could do the things I saw needed to be done through my observations of the experiments I was doing. God gave me the perseverance to stay on course when I wasn't making any headway or had to wait for more than a year to acquire some of the parts I needed to make this technology work once I figured out the science behind the patents.

The circuit is built for this technology and gives the level of control needed to really learn how this technology works far better than any of those old school dial type circuits of the past could ever do. With this circuit I could explore things others using those dial type circuits could not and it has given me a deeper understanding to the inner workings of this technology as a result, kinda why I sound as if I am coming out of left field all the time. When I changed the frequency only the frequency would change which is something I notice some of those Meyer knockoff circuits could not do. When they changed the frequency the pulsing would also be changing at the same time and if you looked carefully you would see that sometimes the last pulse would be shorter than the rest of the pulses in the pulse train. The square wave most of them put out isn't really all that square and as a result things couldn't be adjusted for properly. With those one turn pots frequency changes missed a whole lot of frequencies and one would need to swap them out for some 24 turn pots at a much higher cost.

I wish I had Bussi circuit to work with right from the start as then I feel I would be much farther along in my research.

And to answer Freethisone: I am not sure what you are talking about doing you will have to show me.
For the most part I think people are starting to get it now as this is A/C ionization of the atoms not the water molecules but just targeting the atoms. Once the atoms go into a state of ionization the electrons stop performing their normal duties and let go of their bonds and free hydrogen and oxygen are the result of that. The problem is that it is not easy to get the atoms into an ionized state where the voltage is high while restricting the amps into the low milliampere range of around just 1-2 ma.

I am getting close but I am still having some problems in reaching those voltages in a predictable manner. I hope to have it all worked out soon but it take time as building things take money and funds for me are always on the low side these days it seems.

Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Quote from Matt Watts on December 15th, 2013, 11:20 PM

Quote from bussi04 on December 15th, 2013, 04:36 PM

for your convenience and to be compliant to PSOC5-users you can describe your pulsetrain better by a microsecond notation:

Thank you Bussi.  As long as things are shared here in a way they can be replicated, what equipment is used to replicate them isn't important.  The best possible knowledge transfer happens when you accurately describe what you are trying to do as well as showing what your instruments are actually reading and how they are hooked up.  Do that and everyone will be a winner.

As far as the PGen is concerned, it is an excellent signal generation prototyping device.  Once you guys have this dialed-in and know exactly what is needed, we can make a far more simple circuit that does exactly what is needed and freely distribute that out OpenSource to anyone interested.

BTW, I have Moray King's ear.  He is still very optimistic and dying to get some data to ponder over.  Anything you are willing to share, please do so.  The more eyes we get on this, the sooner we will have a workable process and ultimately a solution.


Working on another pulsed hybrid system (not a Meyer setup), I saw with my own eyes:
1.075 specific gravity on the electrolyte
Foggy cold gas
Magnetic flux in the cell
5.58 LpM  (1 Liter in 10.75 seconds)
200 volts at 3.5 amps (700 watts)
125 watts per liter/min

That beats Faraday by 15 watts per liter/min.  So I know its possible.  Now lets knock this puppy out of the park guys.

YES this is very good process well done we are all wanting to do this now!!

i say you have one half of a water cell.
you can add the other bias now high, voltage capacitor discharge.
vic made one side of the biased cell.

i say add to this cell, add a second set of plates or tube hho cells.
now you have two sets of plates or cells working together and better results.:)

ison that right?

edit i see i made a mistake. the ac side has the high voltage.
 the dc side has the pulsed dc cells working together with the ac type ionic cells.

directly above the lower tank there is room for a set of dc cells in the water full tank.

what do you think will happen Ed?

Quote from freethisone on December 27th, 2013, 02:04 PM

i say you have one half of a water cell.
you can add the other bias now high, voltage capacitor discharge.
vic made one side of the biased cell.

i say add to this cell, add a second set of plates or tube hho cells.
now you have two sets of plates or cells working together and better results.:)

ison that right?

edit i see i made a mistake. the ac side has the high voltage.
 the dc side has the pulsed dc cells working together with the ac type ionic cells.

directly above the lower tank there is room for a set of dc cells in the water full tank.

what do you think will happen Ed?

I have no idea what you are talking about here. But I think you and a lot of others are starting to get the hang of this as it is A/C ionization as  can be seen in figure 10-5 from the SMTB.

 Looking into the difference between A/C and D/C ionization A/C ionization is known to be a soft ionization and D/C ionization is very destructive.

The replacement transformers are taking me a lot longer than I anticipated to build plus my time is short with the holiday season in full swing. I hope to have them done before New Years but I am being pulled away from work as it's family time now and I must do as expected of me and be respectful to my elders at the same time. From putting together a train set to going over starter chemistry sets for the children I have been very busy this Christmas time for sure. Spending time with family and friends is what it's all about but that time is taken away from my work so I am not sure when I will be able to sit down and get back on things again. I thank God for my family as they are where it's at for me.

Take care and if you can explain in more detail what you are asking it would be for the best.
Enjoy the New Years celebration and above all be safe,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Hi Everyone,

Does anyone have any questions on how those high voltages were reached while restricting the flow of amps?

Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Hi Ed, Nice post, happy new year by the way.

if People use gunthers circuit, what else to they ad?

can we use hv transformer in oil? http://www.celnav.de/hv/hv1.htm

Can we use these, I would love to see the final thing work and use all start deployment
sales promotion and yet further advancement with your Help.


Dan



 

Quote from Heuristicobfuscation on December 15th, 2013, 06:14 AM

"Not only do I tell people to hook up their cells in series I show them and also show myself getting some high voltages to the exciter array and others come right behind me and tell people that's a total waste of time and everyone seems to listen to them for some crazy reason."






Connecting cells in series does have its advantages. Even dou in the video bellow im not using a high voltage transformer im getting effects i wouldent get with just a paralell conection.

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http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=1585

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt-3LYyDVEo

My observations showed that there are 2 separate effects taking place:

1. a capacitive charge - you can observe that effect if you use a single cell instead of a normal capacitor for a CMOS 555 circuit. you will see that it charges to a peak (i.e. 10V) and then discharges (to 2V) without a parallel resistor. that effect shows that water is a capacitor and that it has a low resistance. that´s called a leaky capacitor.

2. remaining charge at a low voltage level - you showed that effect in your video. like steel plates in muriatic acid (batteries used in fighting ships giving 2V per cell) water in connection to stainless steel holds a charge of a bit less than 2V for some time. that effect - holding continuous charge - is more a battery effect than a capacitor effect because it delivers constant voltage during amp draw.

the 2nd effect makes it so difficult to measure a wfc with an average capacitance meter from a multimeter because they can´t deal with battery voltage overlay at the probe.

Quote from securesupplies on February 3rd, 2014, 02:27 AM

Hi Ed, Nice post, happy new year by the way.

if People use gunthers circuit, what else to they ad?

can we use hv transformer in oil? http://www.celnav.de/hv/hv1.htm

Can we use these, I would love to see the final thing work and use all start deployment
sales promotion and yet further advancement with your Help.


Dan

Sorry for the late reply. I took a look at those and they can really only be used for a modified 8xa circuit for the most part and if they want Gunther's circuit can be used to substitute the 8xa circuit and the SCR can also be substituted with a N-ch FET. This will allow the use of one of those high voltage transformers but they will be limited to the voltages of the FET that is employed for use.

For the most part everyone should follow what Meyer did either with the "C" cores or the "E" core versions of his technology. I went the "E" core wrought and had to modify the transformer greatly to get it to charge up a much larger load being placed on it than one injector would place on the transformer if I was to have used an injector.  All the changes I made are towards impedance matching so that the power gets to the load most effectively. The exciter array and/or the injector is to be viewed as just a load to the system as Meyer himself said water is being used as a resistor and called it Re in the patents as in the voltage intensifier circuit water is just Re.

With the injectors there is very little resistance in the form of water and thus the 430f or 430fr wire must be used to make up for this loss of resistance. In the exciter arrays the series arrangement provides far more resistance and thus the SS wire is not needed. Problems I ran into while learning how to put high voltages directly to the water bath was the wires insulation would give out due to the air around the wire would start to ionize to the point where it would make a spark to the core and the core would send back a very large spark and short out the coil. This left me with only two solutions to follow, vacuum epoxy sealing the bobbin form or full immersion in some transformer oil, I think it is clear which direction I chose now. The reason for making use of the oil instead of the epoxy is the parameters of the transformer were not set in stone and the epoxy is a permanent solution as you can't unwind the bobbins once they are epoxyed like you can if the oil is used. This allowed me to make changes as I learned more about getting even higher voltages to be applied directly to the exciter array filled with only distilled water.

Then I ran into more problems, I couldn't read the voltages with the differential probe I was using at the time and had to stop experimenting until I could afford to get a new one and now I need yet another one as the voltages are reaching the limit of the one I am using right now. Everyone must know by now that you can't short change things in trying to solve this technology as you simply will not be able to tell just what it is you are doing if you do. No high voltage probes equals no way of knowing just what one is doing and their experiments just stop until they get the right equipment to use so that they can further their work towards understanding this technology.
In this thread I posted some mistakes I made at Boulder, Colorado: http://aetherforce.com/inventors-diary-failing-to-learn-making-good-use-of-the-scientific-method/ and I added in solutions to the misstakes I made.

The science that has been uncovered thus far is solid and there simply is no rule breaking but a new understanding of the way God's creations work through experimentation, observations, and asking and answering many questions. Reaching the point where voltage is clearly taking over while amperage is being restricted takes a lot of practice but as seen in the video it can be done.

I hope this post encourages others to give the technology a try or support those of us like myself that do.

Hope this helps,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Thank you for your Time to answer correctly Ed, Appreciated,
We all will endeavor further.   Every little bit of thought helps each other.

I have heard on other thread here, that a magnetic resistance is used on coil vic,  to lower the Amps
I have also Learnt that Wires in series, (side by side/in replace of heavy guage) as well as cell in series lowers amps
greatly also just a note, it may be why some weird muti pin  plugs are shown around the place  ,

I will Post notes here in a little while on this

Links   

(PLEASE WATCH WITH OPEN MIND AND APPLY THE ADAPTION TO WHAT WE KNOW)
THESE ARE FACTS AND ONLY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED TO WHAT STEPHEN DID FOR STAN>

Parrallel Wires have lower resistance than heavy gauges

Video on Parallel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy71bXcoveE&feature=share&list=PLEF4960792301EDFE

Notes on Series Plates to understand Stan and what Ed Mentioned above.

VIdeo for cells

The Tech shown can be directly applied to Meyer Tubes and 11 Cell Etc
Insulated Cells in Series

All the Best

Remember to Share the Knowledge Please.
Invite LPG Ngv INstallers

Daniel

Quote from Edward Mitchell on January 6th, 2014, 01:35 PM

Wow GPS I can feel your excitement growing and with that mine as well, looks like bussi's P-Gen will be the precision ticket we need :cool::D:P.


This is the circuit I have been using since March of 2012 and it's a combined effort between bussi and myself in that he would ask what I needed a circuit to do and I would answer him to the best of my abilities to do so and like magic he would get it done somehow. You see in this area the realm of circuits is one that is beyond my abilities so I asked for help while I was at the Energetic Forum and God sent me bussi. Together we worked back and forth until a circuit was born that could do the things I saw needed to be done through my observations of the experiments I was doing. God gave me the perseverance to stay on course when I wasn't making any headway or had to wait for more than a year to acquire some of the parts I needed to make this technology work once I figured out the science behind the patents.

The circuit is built for this technology and gives the level of control needed to really learn how this technology works far better than any of those old school dial type circuits of the past could ever do. With this circuit I could explore things others using those dial type circuits could not and it has given me a deeper understanding to the inner workings of this technology as a result, kinda why I sound as if I am coming out of left field all the time. When I changed the frequency only the frequency would change which is something I notice some of those Meyer knockoff circuits could not do. When they changed the frequency the pulsing would also be changing at the same time and if you looked carefully you would see that sometimes the last pulse would be shorter than the rest of the pulses in the pulse train. The square wave most of them put out isn't really all that square and as a result things couldn't be adjusted for properly. With those one turn pots frequency changes missed a whole lot of frequencies and one would need to swap them out for some 24 turn pots at a much higher cost.

I wish I had Bussi circuit to work with right from the start as then I feel I would be much farther along in my research.

And to answer Freethisone: I am not sure what you are talking about doing you will have to show me.
For the most part I think people are starting to get it now as this is A/C ionization of the atoms not the water molecules but just targeting the atoms. Once the atoms go into a state of ionization the electrons stop performing their normal duties and let go of their bonds and free hydrogen and oxygen are the result of that. The problem is that it is not easy to get the atoms into an ionized state where the voltage is high while restricting the amps into the low milliampere range of around just 1-2 ma.

I am getting close but I am still having some problems in reaching those voltages in a predictable manner. I hope to have it all worked out soon but it take time as building things take money and funds for me are always on the low side these days it seems.

Take care,
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

hi hi, ty Ed i wish we had time to chat with u. 

this is what i have for you, there used to be patents up on this thread, all are lost at this point.

what all the best systems use is two drivers, one is ac, the other dc.

pulse times on the ac size are short and about 5 to 10 sec apart.
that is what u have. but in continual use. you shoot for 7,5 kv but i suggest having the ability to go to 12 kv on your cell.

the dc side can be plates. put a small cell in your overfill tank. now the dc breaks the water up so electrons fall off, and the ac side puts the water in the ideal state to do that.

its called a bias, and is the secret to the stan system.. cheers.

greetings, its interesting to me that Russ has a new movie on old cameras. he gives a link..  /watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg   so what i did was take a look, low and behold another clue.
Ed please watch these vids, now you may get an idea what i was trying to say.  this man said it best.

but note the coils used by the scanner. the second coil that has 3 axis is right on the line i am try to convey.

so you can ponder the forces at work in the mir unit, and simply relate it to Stans work, and others who use a second cell or a coil.  so we can get a better understanding.  cheers.

thanks Russ...

here is a pat, and link. now you have more of an explanation than i can give. cheers
us 20100126846A1    https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts#q=us+20100126846A1&tbm=pts

Quote from Matt Watts on November 12th, 2013, 10:55 PM

Well, because as far as I can tell, it doesn't work.  Ed had a list of excuses as long as his arm why he couldn't get gas production there at his booth.  Not saying his heart isn't in the right place or anything, I'm only saying he knew about the Boulder event far enough in advance to bring a functioning unit if he had one.  Clearly the mystery isn't solved.

Now just for everyone's information on the facts. I finally got the transformer cores in September giving me little time to run experiments on them before the event. The bobbins seen in the video are the second attempt to get high voltages to be applied to the exciter array as the first attempt didn't work all that well. When I tell everyone that it took me over 17 months to get these cores I wasn't lying, okay?

The bobbins have now been redesigned four times since I first got the cores back in September but it still has to be built and now I have to wait as this is just the way things go when you are actually preforming experiments. When will I get them??? But it would be nice to see someone else giving what was taught here a try besides just me. As what I am doing sure seems like it is going in the right direction as voltages are high while restricting the flow of amps to the ma range and this fits well with what Meyer was talking about while he was alive.

To make statements like these does not help research on this technology to move forwards as it deters others from ever giving this technology a try and/or wanting to support those of us that are giving this technology an honest try the boots on the ground way by actually preforming experiments and observing the results as we all should be doing.

I did my best to explain what I have been observing taking place with this technology in the interview from a point of view of an experimenter that has actually observed these effects first hand so that others might learn how to do this also. Yes, it is clear I am not out of the woods just yet on getting the technology working as well as Meyer did. Hopefully in time as I learn and improve upon the results I am getting things will work as well or even better than Meyer's stuff did as our technology has improved a lot since his death.

One thing's for sure this technology doesn't really follow any known models that can be found in any of the books in publications right now. And this trial and error method I am using making good use of the scientific method really does give results into the unknown but in truth it is our best shot at getting this technology to work correctly.

Right now I am up to 5.8 kv peak to peak and by my calculations I have 1.7 kv to go before I reach the threshold for ionization and the electron start being ejected from the atoms that make up the water molecules. I told everything as I see it taking place in real time in the video. Things burned up on us, but that kind of stuff happens in the real world away from the keyboard when experimenting. All I can do is report on what I observe taking place with real experiments and share that which what I see and understand of what it is that I am seeing. It's up to all of you to give what was shown and talked about here a try so that you too get high voltages in your experiments.
Best of luck to all of you on this quest.
Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions