I dont atack nobody,i just want people to see the results besides escuses and'' high teck''  words for nothing...
Its like saing hey i build a 10000rpm electric car motor that uses no energy but when i want to move the car the motor stops because it has no torque,but i use tons of high tech words describing how the motor works but in the end ,it can do any work,is useless.

Quote from bussi04 on November 14th, 2013, 03:11 AM

do you know actual costs for such a laboratory test?

At a minimum, $1000 per sample, which is why we need something we can do ourselves.

Interesting; oil immersion strikes me immediately as a better diaelectric from air; rather than any sort of heat; there's mA being used greatly reducing Watts....

I don't understand though; I don't see capacitors (on the transformer side); I understand the target cap(s) is(are) the electrolysis tubes I guess... but he said a larger capacitance (capacitive reactance?) to charge the cap?

What's the propagation delay for a water gap?  Like how long can you hold he voltage before it shorts and becomes a current.

A current through the water would be a similar effect... (I can) consider a van de graff generator with a leaky point, bringing a spherical opposite charge body towards it will get a wide spreading burst instead of a single point... it bows out in the middle because of the peer electrons in a brush instead of a single charge. (I could make a sketch I guess...

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(So not the bold purple discharge, but a wider, spread discharge) I can't film it, it's really subtle.

Edward Mitchell himself isn't open source?  

So ya, series cells, that reduces effective capactiance, but increases voltage, so a single cell is divided by X/ but 3k is what he was limited to with his current setup, so maybe 9k, since double the inductance is really ^2...then 1k per cell?  for a fairly narrow gap I'd imagine?  

so maybe I can take a couple graphite plates and seperate by .... the antistatic wrap from electronics?  would that be narrow enough for 300V? (ya ya I know, noone knows and I'll have to go try it)

(I wonder if merely immersing my coils in oil if I can improve performance... maybe it's already having minor electrostatic leaks)

Good points you have made Bussi. We do have a few things in the works to try and uplift the forum, it's just taking some time. I really wish we could do more to support and help Bussi, but most of us are working from 7:00 to 5:00 just to make ends meet, after that it's many other responsibilities and then what ever time is left we use here. So it's hard and getting harder for us all, including you I'm sure. I know you know we are all here for the golden egg so to speak, seeing Stan's work a reality, so please forgive us as we all want the same thing, thanks Bussi for all of your contributions.:cool::D:P

Quote from d3x0r on November 14th, 2013, 01:03 PM

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Edward Mitchell himself isn't open source?
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Ed has been banned from this forum 1 1/2 years ago. a closed thread describes the whole story.

all data needed for the VIC is published at www.hereticalbuilders.com where we started our endeavour years ago.

Quote from bussi04 on November 14th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Ed has been banned from this forum 1 1/2 years ago. a closed thread describes the whole story.

all data needed for the VIC is published at www.hereticalbuilders.com where we started our endeavour years ago.

I wasn't involved in that (before my time) and I suspect it was a rushed, emotional decision.  I wish it hadn't happened.  I'm happy to let all that be water under the bridge and push forward.  What can we do at OSE to help?

Quote from Matt Watts on November 14th, 2013, 09:59 PM

Quote from bussi04 on November 14th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Ed has been banned from this forum 1 1/2 years ago. a closed thread describes the whole story.

all data needed for the VIC is published at www.hereticalbuilders.com where we started our endeavour years ago.

I wasn't involved in that (before my time) and I suspect it was a rushed, emotional decision.  I wish it hadn't happened.  I'm happy to let all that be water under the bridge and push forward.  What can we do at OSE to help?

it seems to me he had used the same words i have used to understand the theory of.

i know he comes here often. he did not form his theory on his own..

he can kiss it if u ask me. not to get ahead of the subject here, but he used all the same words.

hmmm:@

I suggest another man is also present for theory. /watch?v=Jwk_2Zp_P4Q

he did the work, and showed results. i think its great. he will be making a ZPM. so there it is..

Quote from bussi04 on November 14th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Quote from d3x0r on November 14th, 2013, 01:03 PM

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Edward Mitchell himself isn't open source?
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Ed has been banned from this forum 1 1/2 years ago. a closed thread describes the whole story.

all data needed for the VIC is published at www.hereticalbuilders.com where we started our endeavour years ago.

crazy;  Be nice if you could provide a more specific link :)

Quote from d3x0r on November 15th, 2013, 09:28 PM

Quote from bussi04 on November 14th, 2013, 08:38 PM

Ed has been banned from this forum 1 1/2 years ago. a closed thread describes the whole story.

all data needed for the VIC is published at www.hereticalbuilders.com where we started our endeavour years ago.

crazy;  Be nice if you could provide a more specific link :)

http://hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=227&page=2 open for everyone
http://hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=176&page=29 hereticalbuilders members only
http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=242&highlight=banned

Quote from d3x0r on November 14th, 2013, 01:03 PM

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I don't understand though; I don't see capacitors (on the transformer side); I understand the target cap(s) is(are) the electrolysis tubes I guess... but he said a larger capacitance (capacitive reactance?) to charge the cap?
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the pancake style bobbins separate parts of the windings from each other. those windings within a single slice build a capacitance to other slices on the left and right. the bifilar wires build another stray capacitance between upper and lower choke part.

Some photos of the damage done to the transformer at the Global BEM:






As you can see this one really burned up :(
A replacement is being built right now as this one couldn't be saved.

God Bless,
Edward

Some photos of the damage done to the transformer at the Global BEM:






As you can see this one really burned up :(
A replacement is being built right now as this one couldn't be saved.

God Bless,
Edward

Quote from Edward Mitchell on December 3rd, 2013, 05:31 PM

Some photos of the damage done to the transformer at the Global BEM:






As you can see this one really burned up :(
A replacement is being built right now as this one couldn't be saved.

God Bless,
Edward

if i may ask, are those coils individual coils?

Quote from Edward Mitchell on December 3rd, 2013, 05:31 PM

Some photos of the damage done to the transformer at the Global BEM:

As you can see this one really burned up :(
A replacement is being built right now as this one couldn't be saved.

God Bless,
Edward

Fuses my friend--they are a pain to have on hand and replace, but far easier than the alternative.

Quote from Matt Watts on December 3rd, 2013, 10:13 PM

Quote from Edward Mitchell on December 3rd, 2013, 05:31 PM

Some photos of the damage done to the transformer at the Global BEM:

As you can see this one really burned up :(
A replacement is being built right now as this one couldn't be saved.

God Bless,
Edward

Fuses my friend--they are a pain to have on hand and replace, but far easier than the alternative.

That sounds like a good plan but the wire is rated at 7 amps and it burned up at only 1.33 amps. It's a mystery but I figure out what I did wrong as in the rush instead of finding a way to secure the two bobbins correctly I took a short cut and just added more insulation tape until the second bobbin was a snug fit that had to be put on with a rubber mallet. In doing so it prevented the primary from being able to dissipate the heat it generated correctly. I corrected the problem on one of the transformers an it works fine now but this one was toast. Anyway it's my bag as I took a short cut that didn't work out in the end for the event which prevented me from being able to reach the ionization threshold.
I kinda think it might have been an act of God as just maybe he didn't want me to show that at that time for too many things went wrong during those three days all of which were a first time problem to us. But none the less I was able to show some high voltages being applied to a water capacitor which though doesn't seem like much was a first of a showing also on video. That was the very first time anyone has ever seen voltages that high being applied to a water fuel capacitor before to the best of my knowledge.

So, even though I was unable to reach the threshold for ionization I did show another first. I find it sad though after reading most of the comments that no one seems to even notice that seeing high voltages being applied to a water fuel capacitor was also something no one has ever seen before.

For those that don't understand what I mean by ionization threshold it is referring to all atoms have a voltage that will bring them into a state of ionization as the atoms are the targets not the molecules. Understanding this lets us know that this is no different than how an ozone generator works. If an ozone generator is hooked up to a variable voltage transformer nothing happens as the voltage is slowly turned up until the voltage level required for the threshold for ionization for the oxygen atoms are reached breaking down the oxygen molecules in the process.

Thanks Matt,
Edward

i owe you an apology Edward.  i did like your set up, i did like our explanation. i was actually thrilled by watching it operate as you explained your set up.

i hope you post some links soon so we can see it in action again.  voltage did work. but now send the voltage from 7 to 11 kv and use a potentiometer? to increase it and decrease at fast or slow time intervals.  

keep up the good work, sorry .

Edward, I am very interested in the "gas processor" you briefly alluded to in your video. I can`t find much info about this part, even on your site. Is this something your willing give us a little more info on ?

Quote from freethisone on December 4th, 2013, 12:36 PM

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voltage did work. but now send the voltage from 7 to 11 kv and use a potentiometer? to increase it and decrease at fast or slow time intervals.  

keep up the good work, sorry .

you need a regulated power supply for the primary input as shown in the video or a computer controlled switched mode power supply integrated in the pulsing microcontroller module.

that´s the point where stan meyer´s original hardware configuration and all present discrete pulsing circuits derived from it show up to be a dead end road.

There is a reason I don't post much on any of the forums now and that reason is due to the differing goals as everyone working on this technology, as far as I can tell, is pursuing to replicate Stans efforts, I on the other hand went purely after the science behind the patents with little to no care for replicating it. Since I found what I was looking for those differences set me so far apart from everyone else that when I speak it sounds like I am totally coming out of left field by everyone.

People like Freethisone like to think I didn't figure this technology out mostly on my own, but what choice did I have as I, quite literally, didn't have anyone to compare notes with or share what I was doing with as no one was even remotely trying to make use of the scientific method. So when someone say "Our" they really are trying to clamp on to things I figure out through prayer and good old fashion scientific principles. The help I got came primarily from close friends I made along the way while figuring out this technology mostly for giving me a place to vent and keeping me from dreaming too much.

In the video I gave away the science behind this technology, retaining my designs, artwork, and creativity as that would be giving too much away. The key is ionization, always has been. Just take a read from this pulled directly from the SMTB:


Take careful notice of the water said to be going directly from a liquid state to an ionized gas state. Meyer calls it, "Liquid to Gas Ionization Stage." Right here Meyer gives the key away himself. But for me to understand this took many years as I have been working on this since 2006 and using the scientific method, trust me, is taking the long road, but it gets results. When I speak of these things to people they look at me sideways as this is a totally new line or train of thought to them when reading the many things that have been written down by others trying to explain how Meyer's technology actually works. It produces monatomic hydrogen and monatomic oxygen gases on demand to be burnt as fuel.

I devised this question to allow people to mirror this technology to something they already know something about an Ozone Generator. As an ozone generator takes in oxygen molecules and breaks them down into monatomic oxygen gas atoms, only when they leave the ionization field will they seek out and find an oxygen molecules to stabilize themselves with as they all have the same charge and thus repel away from each other and the oxygen molecule is in a near ground state. The monatomic oxygen atoms are still paramagnetic so they move a bit faster than normal charged gas atoms do in seeking out a place to stabilize themselves and they find the oxygen molecules which is perceived as a ground to them and then they go to form ozone.
Now this is the question I ask people to answer:
"If you hook up an ozone generator to a variable transformer and slowly raise the voltage will you produce ozone below the required voltage to reach the ionization threshold for the oxygen atoms that make up the oxygen molecules?"
The simple answer is no, and is also why I didn't produce large amounts of gas while at the Global BEM as I too didn't reach the ionization threshold for the atoms. The technologies are the same but the mediums have changed and with that change in medium so did the methods change in how you have to go about getting at the atoms to bring them to a state of ionization.

Know it or not, right now none of you need me anymore to figure out this technology as I gave away the key to this technology right in the video. And just as I am doing right now, you also have to figure out just how to build it correctly to achieve that goal. You don't need me anymore as I have done my part in all of this now for now anyone that watches that video will be given the key to just how this technology works and they will have a goal to strive for with their experiments.

So, what is the goal everyone? The goal is to ionized the atoms that make up the water molecules as the atoms are the real targets not the water molecules.

Take care and God Bless,
Edward

the bolder video describes foundation and all components needed to reach ionization threshold in a medium like water or air.

this is the first step to go.

transformer circuit design optimizations derived from calculations and iterative educated guesses will fine tune the system to maximum efficiency.

this is second step to go.

following 2 links posted by permission of Edward Mitchell.

http://open-source-energy.org/files/external/photobucket.com/h2opower/2013-12-07_003309_zps6c38b884.png
http://open-source-energy.org/files/external/photobucket.com/h2opower/2013-12-07_003212_zps6407041a.png

now there is nothing else left than to go!

bon voyage :-)

Hey bussi,

I approved Ed's post so you can edit yours referencing his post.

Sorry for te confusion, he is under moderation but I do not have a reasion why we won't approve his posts. We are approving them as we can.

So just FYI.

He and you are still welcome to post.

God speed guys! Get it done! ;)

Blessings ~Russ  

Russ has made another video at Boulder documenting Edward Mitchell´s Stan Meyer type setup putting high voltage into the water fuel capacitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnRdiKbINM

enjoy!

Quote from bussi04 on December 9th, 2013, 06:51 PM

Russ has made another video at Boulder documenting Edward Mitchell´s Stan Meyer type setup putting high voltage into the water fuel capacitor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCnRdiKbINM

enjoy!

That last statement, "When I'm done, you will know what I know.", sounds like a challenge to me.  I'm pretty old, slow and there's a lot of calcification in my brain, but if you are up to the challenge, I'll try to learn.

I still think there is something far different than just typical high voltage pulses going through that water, something we need to figure out.  Scalar waves maybe?  Yes, whatever it is, we need to understand it better, then we can really use it.  And as for, "The scope doesn't lie.", I suspect the scope doesn't tell the whole story either--just reference guys like Tesla and Leedskalnin.

Quote from Matt Watts on December 9th, 2013, 07:57 PM

That last statement, "When I'm done, you will know what I know.", sounds like a challenge to me.  I'm pretty old, slow and there's a lot of calcification in my brain, but if you are up to the challenge, I'll try to learn.

I still think there is something far different than just typical high voltage pulses going through that water, something we need to figure out.  Scalar waves maybe?  Yes, whatever it is, we need to understand it better, then we can really use it.  And as for, "The scope doesn't lie.", I suspect the scope doesn't tell the whole story either--just reference guys like Tesla and Leedskalnin.

What really irritates me is the fact that nobody seems to pick up the aspect of ionization and that there is no discussion at all about ionization and avalanche effects in consequence.

Is it such an unknown effect?

Quote from bussi04 on December 9th, 2013, 09:03 PM

What really irritates me is the fact that nobody seems to pick up the aspect of ionization and that there is no discussion at all about ionization and avalanche effects in consequence.

Is it such an unknown effect?

I don't think it is commonly unknown.  What I suspect is this phenomena is usually associated with microwave or laser energy in regards to ionizing water.  With water in a vapor form, most think of ionization as lightning, driven by huge static fields that collapse.

It's still very hard for me at least to conceptualize pure liquid water ionizing with just moderately high voltage pulses.  Still seems like it would take massive energy to even get the process started and lesser to sustain it.  Overcoming the initial "short circuit" resistance is what has most people pulling out their hair.

Now if you are able to create some kind of very different energy flow than what most people would consider to be simple high voltage DC pulses, then all bets are off, because now we are outside the understood field of electricity.  Now we are toying with the idea of scalar waves or longitudinal waves, things we don't even know how to accurately measure.  My suspicion is you and Ed might be inadvertently generating these sorts of waves.  And what these might do traversing water is a complete unknown.  These are reasons why I personally am not taking an active role in this research.  I'm waiting and watching for that "ah hah" moment when you guys are able to explain this process in terms that are completely new and different, while being very precise and logical.  Your not quite to the same level Stan claimed to be at, but nevertheless, I still am not able to comprehend this process using conventional terminology.  I think the science this falls under is woefully inadequate to properly explain this phenomena.  Stan tried this and it didn't work for me.  Take Edward Leedskalnin as just one example.  He stated there are no such things as electrons.  And what flows through the wires are magnets making what he called "Magnetic Currents".  Tom Bearden has also stated they have observed electron drift in wires conducting currents and the electrons move at some remarkably slow rate of about 2cm per hour.  Put all this together and we have a science that can't even explain exactly how an oscilloscope works or what it is actually measuring.

So my problem isn't with the work you guys are doing, my problem is I don't have a complete, consistent set of intellectual tools to work with.  I have things like Ohms Law which is simply way too primitive to really conceptualize ionizing water.  I don't need to think outside the box--this is futile.  What I need is a bigger box that has all the necessary comprehension to establish what it is we are really dealing with here.