Quote from geenee on January 8th, 2014, 10:49 AM

Farrah Day,Great explain.maybe what you said is the key.

gasoline(liquid) is not economic way(or best way).someone use gasoline vaporizer to make it economy.can make 60-90 MPG.

gasoline engine is not efficient engine,not above 35-50% efficiency.

water more powerful than gasoline 2.5 times by weight.atomic hydrogen more powerful than hydrogen 2.5 times.

atomic hydrogen more powerful than gasoline 6.25 times.if you increase efficient of gasoline engine to about 70-85% then you can use low value of atomic hydrogen(lower up to 10 times than gasoline value).  

thanks
geenee

Not so sure, this has always been a bit controversial. Gasoline or petrol, might initially enter the manifold or combustion chamber as liquid droplets - a fine spray or mist if you like - but I believe gasoline only ignites in vapour state, so ultimately it is in gas form when it burns.

If you ignite a puddle of petrol, it is the vapours that burn off the top of the puddle. And don't ever try to weld an old petrol tank as even if there is no liquid in there, if it is effectively a dry tank, if you can smell petrol, it will still go bang!

It is not the fuel that makes an ICE inefficient, but the overall design. Basically all the heat that is produced is wasted energy. That's why electric motors driven with Hydrogen fuel cells are so much more efficient... if only we could produce hydrogen more efficiently in the first place!  

Atomic hydrogen is extremely energetic and so will react with pretty much anything the first chance it gets in order to lose energy and become stable. So very hard to keep atomic hydrogen atomic given that it will readily react with another to become molecular.

hy geenee,

atomic hydrogen can not be ignited (thanks farrah for this hint). But we can use the energy of the recombination to H2.

Indeed at an long chained oxyhydrogen explosion the most energy is created at the H+H reaction.

But it is very unstable. It is better to create it in an injector like Stanley Meyer did. So the reaction build up pressure inside of the injektor and blow it out inside the combustion chamber pressurizing the piston.

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This I really like:

    Quote:At very lean air/fuel ratios (130:1 to 180:1) the flame velocity is reduced considerably and the use of a dual spark plug system is preferred


That's some ratio right there [Image: thumbsupsmileyanim_zps4af2c44f.gif]

Thanks to Lynx for this info out of the PDF!
This looks very lean. How is this possible? ... Dual Spark Plug.... Ok more ionization. ->Creating more atomic hydrogen to ignite.

Looking at the chain reaction of oxyhydrogen explosion and we see how important it is to have enough atomic hydrogen to start even lean chain reaction:





Was the secret of meyer and dingle to use the leanest fuel which was possible?
That can explain the (reported) low values of hydrogen which are used.
1:180 = fuel/air = 0,55% !! Imagine this..... this can be possible with very low values of hydrogen.

So the injektor of meyer could handle such ionization, to get the mixture ignited (very high amount of atomic hydrogen I think).

Dingle did not tell as much, but on the danieldingel webside www.dinglefoundation.com/hhoblog/ , we can see a picture of his spark plug:



Maybe this is a hint: The firestorm sparkplug or waterspark plug he was using in his corolla?
Creating an electrical thunderstorm during gas ignigtion creates also like in meyers injektor a lot of atomc hydrogen (ionization).

It was also reportet, with such a spark plug, it is possible to drive with a very lean fuel mixture in gasoline engines.

Best regards

 

Quote from Amsy on January 8th, 2014, 11:03 PM

Maybe this is a hint: The firestorm sparkplug or waterspark plug he was using in his corolla?
Creating an electrical thunderstorm during gas ignigtion creates also like in meyers injektor a lot of atomc hydrogen (ionization).

It was also reportet, with such a spark plug, it is possible to drive with a very lean fuel mixture in gasoline engines.

Well, if you need a powerful plasma spark, I can do that:
https://vimeo.com/59280266

Quote from Matt Watts on January 8th, 2014, 11:15 PM

Quote from Amsy on January 8th, 2014, 11:03 PM

Maybe this is a hint: The firestorm sparkplug or waterspark plug he was using in his corolla?
Creating an electrical thunderstorm during gas ignigtion creates also like in meyers injektor a lot of atomc hydrogen (ionization).

It was also reportet, with such a spark plug, it is possible to drive with a very lean fuel mixture in gasoline engines.

Well, if you need a powerful plasma spark, I can do that:
https://vimeo.com/59280266

Thanks for the vid.
I think such a powerfull spark(plug) is the basic to ignite fuel mixtures which are very lean.
There are several ways to do this. Injector, watersparkplug, firestorm ......

Quote from Amsy on January 8th, 2014, 11:03 PM

Indeed at an long chained oxyhydrogen explosion the most energy is created at the H+H reaction.

Yes, it's the same for any reaction whereby high energy atoms reform to lower energy (relatively stable) molecules. The excess energy is given off as light and heat.

If you are not already familiar with him, Irvin Langmuir and his Atomic Hydrogen Torch is certainly worth reading up on.

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=irving+langmuir+atomic+hydrogen

Basically, he sent pressurised H2 across an electric arc, which added enough energy to dissociate the molecules into atoms. As they recombined they gave of a tremendous amount of energy. There still seems to be some debate at to just how much energy was released in the process. There was some suggestion that the energy yielded was far greater than it was expected to be, certainly much greater than the input energy, so it really is very interesting.

Quote from Farrah Day on January 9th, 2014, 02:07 AM

Quote from Amsy on January 8th, 2014, 11:03 PM

Indeed at an long chained oxyhydrogen explosion the most energy is created at the H+H reaction.

Yes, it's the same for any reaction whereby high energy atoms reform to lower energy (relatively stable) molecules. The excess energy is given off as light and heat.

If you are not already familiar with him, Irvin Langmuir and his Atomic Hydrogen Torch is certainly worth reading up on.

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=irving+langmuir+atomic+hydrogen

Basically, he sent pressurised H2 across an electric arc, which added enough energy to dissociate the molecules into atoms. As they recombined they gave of a tremendous amount of energy. There still seems to be some debate at to just how much energy was released in the process. There was some suggestion that the energy yielded was far greater than it was expected to be, certainly much greater than the input energy, so it really is very interesting.

Thanks. I read about the work of Langmuir in the past. Found this about:
Atomic hydrogen, the way to Zero Point Energie? http://gifnet.org/articles/Langmuir%20&%20Atomic%20Hydrogen.pdf

Yeah it is still not researched enough, how it was possible to reach such high temperatures with very small energy amounts of the arc.

I remember Stanley Meyer tried to avoid combination in the combustion engine to H2O? Did he tried to use the "Langmuir effect?" Only using H2 -> H+H and recombine it like in the papp engine?

Could be an explanation why such a lean fuel of hydrogen and air is possible. Is it more the "Langmuir effect" of H+H than the recombination to H2O?

If the dominating part is the H+H reaction which can gain energy, then it does no matter how lean the fuel of h2/air is. Just do it like langmuir and disociate as much H2 as possible.

Atomic hydrogen approaches in applikations with high COP like the CFR (LENR), MAHG,..
I heard about Dingle used a capacitor to boost his spark plug?

Quote from Amsy on January 9th, 2014, 05:02 AM

I heard about Dingle used a capacitor to boost his spark plug?

Yes, the above video of mine is demonstrating an improved BoosterCap circuit that is a step up from what I learned from Aaron Murakami's Ignition Secrets.


With the motor speed control, you can set the spark power however you want it.  Those big transformers will allow you to obliterate the spark plug if you want to.

Yes, that pdf file you posted  is what I meant to link to, but I somehow only managed to provide a link to a google page. Thanks.

Quote from Farrah Day on January 9th, 2014, 07:32 AM

Yes, that pdf file you posted  is what I meant to link to, but I somehow only managed to provide a link to a google page. Thanks.

That is quite an interesting read.

Hey folks,

during watching the videos of dingle again, something attracted my attention. Although the visitors say, that there is a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen coming out of his reactor tubes, he answer back all the time, that in one tube is hydrogen and in the other tube is oxygen.

Making me confused, how he can split the gas mixture into two tubes. Indeed it was the hole time in front of my eyes. To seperate HHO he used his honeycomb seperator. Damn, I should read the words carefully. It is all said when he used the word "seperator". :D

A fine mesh with such a structure can filter out the bigger oxygen bubbles (depending on the mesh size structure). I think, he needed a clear fuel in the fueltube to the injector valve, not a mixture of H2 and O2. AND the biggest effort would be, it can avoid backfiring by avoiding big oxygen bubbles.
So he minimized the oxygen going inside the hydrogen tube. As the visitor ask him if there was oxygen also inside when he drawing up his hydrogen toy gun, he said only a little bit.
Maybe it is no 100% solution, but it can help to seperate the two gases.

So one idea is better than no idea..... :D
What you think, could the purpose be of the honeycomb seperator. I think as the name says, it seperate something.

So the hints are:
-honeycomb seperator for seperation of the HHO gas in clear H2 and O2
-bismuth, maybe for the elctrodes because of the small amount of electical surge (overpotential) (??)
-neodym to influence the atomic/nascent hydrogen on its way out of the cell (??)

@matt

thanks for the plan, looks good to me. I think such a special spark plug with its plasma spark is very important to ignite lean hydrogen / air mixtures.



Maybe honeycomb seperator/filter new reactor:




Edit:
Attached the 1999 Dingel Reactor and maybe honeycomb seperator

you can shave the bismuth and create your own plastic / bismuth filament and print it in honeycomb via a 3d printer