Inspired by this thread, http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=945
I'd like to start a dedicated thread about the use of the nasty poison fluoride.

As you all know fluoride is widley used in dental products.

The facts, such as stated in the video procided by KC,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LEZ15m-D_n8
are, I believe, tragically enough true when it comes to explaining the drop in IQ amongst other things associated with fluoride.

Some scientists say that fluoride based products shouldn't be used by pregnant women and it should also not be given to children under the age of 2.

How come do you think they, the scientists, suggests this then?

I'd say it's because they know full well what harm fluoride does during the development of the brain in kids and that it's a major cause to low IQ and God only knows what other harm it causes in terms of brain malfunctions etc.

Yes, fluoride indeed strengthens the teeth, even to the point of it becoming a dental desease known as dental fluorosis, http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/diseases/fluorosis/en/
This is when your teeth becomes so hardened by the fluoride that they in fact become brittle and cracks into tiny pieces when you chew something even remotely hard, like a sandwich for instance.

This of course gets worse the older you get.

(btw, did you read the part about skeletal fluorosis...?)

3 years ago I stopped using fluoride based dental products and I'd like to share some points of view which I think is relevant here.

First of all, the first year I went about my dental care business as usual.
This led to a rapid decay in my dental health, which manifested itself during a routine check up.

As a consequence of that I started using brushpics, tooth floss and mouthwash every time I brushed my teeth.
It's not easy finding fluoride free dental products, but they're out there on the www and most alternative health care stores stocks them aswell.

After two years my bodys enamel production had been restored so now my teeth are strong and healthy again.
My guess is that the fluoride inhibited the enamel production on my teeth as they got hardened anyway by the fluoride and then when I gave up on using fluoride it took (quite) a while for my native enamel production to resume normal production.

Another thing I've noticed is that I can now bend my legs far longer than before, in fact I can even sit in the lotus position without experiencing excruciating pain

How about that?

Anyway, these are just a few of my thoughts about the use of fluoride.


_______________________________________________________



http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1759637#i
When choosing a water filter, for most of us it always comes down to getting out the fluoride, and there are very few options.

So Mercola's would be out for me, and the Berkey system only removes fluoride with the addition of a $55 cartridge (pf-2) which contains 'activated alumina' (aluminum oxide) to adsorb fluoride and arsenic.

Activated alumina concerns me...although constantly we read it's safe, and only adsorbs the fluoride & arensic from water (it is not soluble in water); we know to avoid aluminum (in deodorants, baking powder, cookware, cans, etc). So running our water over/through it is safe? Fluoride can't get past the blood/brain barrier, but when it bonds with aluminum it can. So does the small amount of fluoride that gets past the activated alumina filter media then bond with the aluminum in the water? They say "no" because the aluminum oxide isn't soluble in water...



http://www.aluminum.org/Content/NavigationMenu/TheIndustry/Alumina/default.htm

Alumina
Aluminum originates as an oxide called alumina. Because aluminum itself does not occur in nature as a metal, the processing of aluminum took a giant leap forward with the advent of electricity.
 
Deposits of bauxite ore are mined and refined into alumina—one of the feedstocks for aluminum metal. Then alumina and electricity are combined in a cell with molten electrolyte called cryolite. Direct-current electricity is passed from a consumable carbon anode into the cryolite, splitting the aluminum oxide into molten aluminum metal and carbon-dioxide.

The molten aluminum collects at the bottom of the cell and is periodically “tapped” into a crucible and cast into ingots. While continual progress has been made over the more than 110-year history of aluminum processing to reduce the amount of electricity used, there are currently no viable alternatives to the electrometallurgical process.

However, between materials recovery and ongoing innovative research and development efforts, the industry is constantly searching for ways to reduce the amount of electricity used in aluminum production—and thus the related emissions and costs.

The worldwide alumina industry produces more than 70 million dry metric tons of bauxite residue annually. Australia is the largest alumina refiner in the world, processing nearly one-third of the global total.

Good post Lynx.  I knew there was a reason you are so sharp.  Fluoride is bad news.  I spent a good chunk of cash trying to get fluoride out of the water which I think I have mostly done for drinking water.  What I still haven't completed is a good way to remove it from washing and bathing water.  It is very difficult to deal with in higher pressure water sources.  Best I can come up with is to use low temperatures, low flow rate and quick use.  Also, chelators to remove the fluoride built-up is a must.  I would personally consult ethospete here on this forum.  He is on our side.

When I switched my dogs over to clean water, their behavior changed drastically.  They are both much more alert and much more able to play with a desire to actually play again.

Fluoride is bad enough by itself but combined with aluminum is very toxic.  Do not let those two materials get anywhere near your food or water.  And avoid so-called fluoride filters--they spit off aluminum as part of their fluoride capturing process.  Distillation, is best but requires other filtering to remove the VOCs that get evaporated from the boiling water and condense right back into what you might think is clean distilled water.

In summary, our environment is highly toxic and the FDA, USDA, EPA...  None of them care.  They have been highjacked.  You are own your own to protect yourself and your family.  God speed everyone.

Quote from Dog-One on January 11th, 2013, 12:14 PM

Good post Lynx.  I knew there was a reason you are so sharp........

Thanks D1, as far as I can tell the fluoride poison has disappeared from your brain aswell

AAMOF the version I heard about fluoride is that it's a bi product from the aluminum industry, or should I say that it's an unwanted waste product eminating from bauxite processing.

Apparantely at some point in time aluminum processing started involving such chemicals that which also produced the unwanted fluoride, which was costly to destroy and posed serious health hazards to you if handled carelessly.

This then apparently led to it being introduced to toothpaste, which in turn of course solved a lot of problems, both moneywise and healthwise, as not only dentists but also most doctors and medical scientists advocated the use of fluoride based products.

I think that the future will provide proof enough that it indeed impedes the development of the brain in infants and kids, that it plays a major role in causing such diseases as ADD, ADHD and God only knows what other brain disorder diseases it causes.

Of course, until then both dentists and doctors will continue advocating the fluoride lie.

http://kidshealth.org/kid/talk/qa/fluoride.html

Fluoride, like gasoline is a waste product that in a normal world would cost billions to properly dispose of.  But instead, like the million other scams on this planet, we pay for stuff then poison ourselves, our families and the planet in general with it, while the very perpetrators of this heinous crime get rich and get a good laugh watching the dupes.  Nothing new here, move along...

Unless you are sick of it (mentally, not just physically) and decide to turn things around people, it will get worse right up until you are dead.  That I am most certain of.

Oh, want one more little piece of the puzzle...?  SSRIs, you know those doctor prescribe mind altering drugs that make people freak out and kill little children...?   Yeah that stuff.  Those all contain some form of fluoride compounds not normally found in nature.

Wonderful stuff.  Wonderful world.

[RANT MODE OFF]

I hear you and I think it's just a simple matter of time, not facts, before in this case fluoride will become a thing of the past when it
comes to such things as 'fluoridation of water' and 'fluoride based dental products'.

Actually, far from all scientists and doctors are advocating the use of fluoride, let's just hope that many more will grow a pair
and voice their opinions on the matter without the fear for reprisals from their fellow co workers and bosses.

http://www.fluoridealert.org/about/team/

Quote from Dog-One on January 11th, 2013, 01:45 PM

Oh, want one more little piece of the puzzle...?  SSRIs, you know those doctor prescribe mind altering drugs that make people freak out and kill little children...?   Yeah that stuff.  Those all contain some form of fluoride compounds not normally found in nature.

[RANT MODE BACK ON] :P

http://www.infowars.com/mass-murders-and-the-ssris-connection/
"Prozac is also known as fluoxitine"
"SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, are the pharmaceutical companies latest cash cows."
" All but a very few of the latest “Mass Murderers” have been on these drugs. Schools encourage parents to put their children on these drugs for the smallest signs of “non conformity”. Schools receive more money for “disabled” students."
"Likely due to pressure from the pharmaceutical industry-heavy advertisers in all media-the national debate on the epidemic of teen violence has ignored the widespread use of prescription drugs in teens and particularly those who have committed monstrous acts. However, the drug-violence link is frighteningly common."

http://www.infowars.com/doctor-recommended-toothpaste-blasts-kids-with-5000-more-iq-crushing-fluoride-than-heavily-fluoridated-areas/
"Ultimately it was Dr. Dean Burk, head scientist at the National Cancer Institute, author of over 250 scientific articles, and the recipient of multiple prestigious awards, who first spoke out against fluoride and its effects back in 1977. At that time, Burk said that fluoride had caused around 10,000 deaths or so. Later in an interview he went on to mention how fluoride is tied to far more. The National Cancer Institute failed to publish Burk’s work until 1989, despite the fact his findings were built on solid science and concerned public health at large.

According to Burk, at just 1 PPM, fluoride led issues like a 25% increase in tumor growth rate, the cultivation of cancer cells, and of course, IQ reduction. Imagine 5,000 PPM. In Burk’s research, animals given fluoride also experienced:
An increase in tumor growth
- A rare form of bone cancer
- An increase in thyroid cell tumors
- A rare form of liver cancer"

http://www.infowars.com/top-scientist-fluoride-already-shown-to-cause-10000-cancer-deaths/
"Other research resurfaced by Dr. Dean Burk, former chief of cytochemistry at the National Cancer Institute for 30 years, also shows that fluoride increases the cancer death rate. Dr Burk refers to a study conducted which compares the 10 largest U.S. cities with fluoridation and the 10 largest without. What researchers found was that following fluoridation, deaths from cancer went up immediately- in as little as a year."


http://www.infowars.com/major-harvard-study-published-in-federal-govt-journal-confirms-fluoride-lowers-iq/
"If the scientific link between fluoride exposure and a noted decreased in IQ is a conspiracy theory, then perhaps the Harvard researchers who just confirmed such a link should be tarred and feathered by the ‘evidence-based’ medical media"

http://www.infowars.com/harvard-now-ridiculously-insists-that-fluoride-only-lowers-iq-levels-outside-the-united-states/
"Intense industry pressure to continue mass medicating Americans with fluoride chemicals via public water supplies has apparently influenced Harvard University researchers to backtrack on a recent study they conducted that verified fluoride chemicals lower IQ levels in children. We are now being told the absurd lie that fluoride is only detrimental to people in other countries, and that Americans need not worry about ingesting and bathing in the toxic brew here in the states."

http://www.infowars.com/study-proves-fluoride-brain-damage/
"The correlation between fluoride exposure and diminished IQ was underscored earlier this year after the results of a study in China were published. “A recent Chinese study concluded that low dose sodium fluoride in drinking water diminishes IQ, especially among children. This is the twenty-fourth such international study with the same conclusion. Sodium fluoride has also been linked to reduced fertility and lower sperm counts,” Paul Fassa wrote for Natural News in April."

Thanks for sharing.

AAMOF I've kinda suspected that's why hard lumps are being searched for during palpation, as it full well could be be cancer tumors.

Makes you wonder what properties cancer tumors had just 100 years ago in terms of being hard or soft lumps, I wouldn't be the
least bit surprised if I were to find out that cancer tumors back then were found as being soft tissues, indicating that fluoride
indeed plays a major role in the development of cancer.

Who knows, perhaps our bodies had the capability once to fight cancer tumors, but are now bound to lose the fight, only because
of such modern commodities as fluoride.......?

Btw, are there any documents online that which details what chemical compounds resides within cancer tumors?

None that I've researched as of yet. But, kyou might like the following... one of these link describes a little bit of vitamin D is good at fighting cancer.  Get outside and have some fun. :D :)

http://www.naturalnews.com/033839_cancer_stem_cells.html
"A cancer stem cell is the foundational cell that produces all the other cancer cells that give a malignant tumor its size."
"Cancer can be analogous to a bee hive."
"You will never get rid of the hive until you get rid of the queen." [aka cancer stem cell]

http://www.naturalnews.com/029374_cancer_high_fructose_corn_syrup.html
"These findings show that cancer cells can readily metabolize fructose to increase proliferation," explained Dr. Anthony Heaney of UCLA's Jonsson Cancer Center, one of the authors of the study."

http://www.naturalnews.com/038285_cancer_survival_metastasis_prevention.html
"Cancer loves sugar. High blood sugar and insulin increase inflammation, which promotes cancer spread. Conversely, low-carb diets suppress cancer growth."

http://www.naturalnews.com/037216_cancer_cells_immune_system_bromelain.html
"It is an effect called "selective cytotoxicity." The result is a targeted, intelligent cancer treatment that doesn't hinder the body's ability to fight cancer."
"One particular compound is found in pineapple stems, called bromelain. A study published in the Journal Planta Medica discovered that bromelain treated cancer in an animal study better than the chemotherapy drug 5-fluorauracil. The effect of bromelian was superior to that of 5-fluorouracil by approximately 263 percent, compared to the untreated control.

The impressive part of this study was that the bromelain worked in a way that didn't cause additional harm to the animals, whereas the drug 5-fluorauracil was relatively unsuccessful."

http://www.naturalnews.com/021892_vitamin_D_American_Cancer_Society.html
"Exciting new research conducted at the Creighton University School of Medicine in Nebraska has revealed that supplementing with vitamin D and calcium can reduce your risk of cancer by an astonishing 77 percent. This includes breast cancer, colon cancer, skin cancer and other forms of cancer. This research provides strong new evidence that vitamin D is the single most effective medicine against cancer, far outpacing the benefits of any cancer drug known to modern science.

http://www.preventcancer.com/losing/acs.htm

Thanks, I've read about the sugar-cancer connection before.
Btw, dentists are well aware of the fact that it wasn't until sugar was introduced as a modern commodity that peoples dental
health started going down hill for real, hands down, no BS.
Part of the reason to why I don't eat sugar anymore, the cancer and the dental health factors far outweighs any sugar demand.

While we're at it, perhaps better to stay the hell away from all these sugar wannabe's (aspartame, cyclamate, saccharin etc).
I mean, how certain are scientists/doctors/researchers that these manmade unnatural chemicals aren't causing more damage
to our health as opposed to merely acting as a taste replacement for sugar?

I believe that groceries should be processed as little as possible, they should prefeably be eaten the way God intended for them
to be eaten by us in the first place, with as little chemicals added as possible.
After all, our bodies have adapted to a certain diet over these last few hundred thousand years or so, it's only these last few
years that we've managed to destroy most of our bodies capabilities to process the foods we're now stuffing our bellies with.

Quote from Lynx on January 12th, 2013, 01:50 AM

Thanks, I've read about the sugar-cancer connection before.
Btw, dentists are well aware of the fact that it wasn't until sugar was introduced as a modern commodity that peoples dental
health started going down hill for real, hands down, no BS.

Question Lynx.  Prior to when the enamel on your teeth went south, did you happen to consume quite a bit of orange juice?  Just curious, because that is what started it for me.  I was working at the time in a remote location in Florida living out of a hotel for about a month.  The hotel offered "all you want" orange juice and never having such a luxury before, I drank more than my share of it.  Within a few months of returning home, that is when I started to notice something was very wrong with my teeth.  It took years to discover fluoride was impeding the natural ability of my teeth to begin repairing themselves.

Quote from Dog-One on January 12th, 2013, 06:01 AM

Quote from Lynx on January 12th, 2013, 01:50 AM

Thanks, I've read about the sugar-cancer connection before.
Btw, dentists are well aware of the fact that it wasn't until sugar was introduced as a modern commodity that peoples dental
health started going down hill for real, hands down, no BS.

Question Lynx.  Prior to when the enamel on your teeth went south, did you happen to consume quite a bit of orange juice?  Just curious, because that is what started it for me.  I was working at the time in a remote location in Florida living out of a hotel for about a month.  The hotel offered "all you want" orange juice and never having such a luxury before, I drank more than my share of it.  Within a few months of returning home, that is when I started to notice something was very wrong with my teeth.  It took years to discover fluoride was impeding the natural ability of my teeth to begin repairing themselves.

Not right then and there, no.
However, Google showed me this on orange juice, I'd buy that explanation any time:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090630132007.htm

Orange juice markedly decreased hardness and increased roughness of tooth enamel.

“The acid is so strong that the tooth is literally washed away”

“Most soft drinks, including sodas and fruit juices, are acidic in nature......our studies demonstrated
that the orange juice, as an example, can potentially cause significant erosion of teeth.”

Quote from Lynx on January 12th, 2013, 08:13 AM

“The acid is so strong that the tooth is literally washed away”

This is also why you wouldn't want to down a bottle of Lemon Juice.  :D :P :cool:

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/07/23/teeth.erosion.drinks/
"A study... showed... Lemon, orange and grapefruit juice can strip away the enamel with their acidity.

Lemon juice showed the highest erosion, according to Bassiouny's study, which was published in the May-June issue of General Dentistry.

"We're not saying, 'Don't drink orange juice," Bassiouny said. "Don't drink orange juice then go to the office, then have a diet soda at lunchtime. You are asking for trouble because of the frequency of the contact and the challenge of the acid contact to your teeth.""

so what you guys are saying is don't eat any acid? lol

no, really tho, my teeth have an extremely hard time staying "nice" there taribal...

about every year i have to have a bunch of crap done even if i do everything to keep them the way they should be... its like they naturally dissolve away... :(  

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 13th, 2013, 04:29 AM

so what you guys are saying is don't eat any acid? lol

no, really tho, my teeth have an extremely hard time staying "nice" there taribal...

about every year i have to have a bunch of crap done even if i do everything to keep them the way they should be... its like they naturally dissolve away... :(

Been there, done that.
Nowadays my teeth are really healthy on every check up, thank God.
However I do stay away from sugar, fast food and I try to eat as much
ecologically produced foods as possible.

In short, I try to spoil my body as much as possible.
I mean, I only have one, so I think it's best to try to keep it in as a good shape
as possible, so I hopefully won't have to suffer things like stroke, heart diseases,
brain disorders etc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5_KmB9_fao&feature=player_embedded

one more evidence for flouride poisoning :-(

Quote from bussi04 on January 13th, 2013, 06:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5_KmB9_fao&feature=player_embedded

one more evidence for flouride poisoning :-(

Awesome video, thanks for sharing

____________________________________________________________________

Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5_KmB9_fao

There's very few scientific facts regarding the health benefits associated with fluoridation, that is to say I can't find any.

This, however, I find kinda disturbing:

http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm

From the start in 1951, the National Research Council (NRC) Fluoridation Report said "fluoridation was safe and
effective. It was recommended that any communities with a child population of sufficient size, and that obtained
their water from sources free from or low in fluoride, should consider adjusting the concentration to optimum
levels for oral health".

Over the years the health hazards regarding fluoridation became more and more apparent and by 2006 the NRC had
concluded that "in developing regulatory standards for high levels of  fluoride in drinking water, three adverse health
effects warranted consideration: severe enamel (dental) fluorosis from exposure to these high levels between birth
and 8 years of age, risk of bone fractures, and severe forms of skeletal fluorosis (a rare condition in the United States)
after lifetime exposure."

The very next year the NRC had concluded that it had "identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence
human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that
fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving
metabolic or biochemical processes. The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects:
preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity. "

Why this sudden change of policies?
Are the phosphate/aluminum/uranium- industry beginning to see major threats to their business, so money are now
talking to prevent further shut down of water fluoridation?

Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 07:30 AM

There's very few scientific facts regarding the health benefits associated with fluoridation, that is to say I can't find any.

This, however, I find kinda disturbing:

http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/nas.htm

From the start in 1951, the National Research Council (NRC) Fluoridation Report said "fluoridation was safe and
effective. It was recommended that any communities with a child population of sufficient size, and that obtained
their water from sources free from or low in fluoride, should consider adjusting the concentration to optimum
levels for oral health".

Over the years the health hazards regarding fluoridation became more and more apparent and by 2006 the NRC had
concluded that "in developing regulatory standards for high levels of  fluoride in drinking water, three adverse health
effects warranted consideration: severe enamel (dental) fluorosis from exposure to these high levels between birth
and 8 years of age, risk of bone fractures, and severe forms of skeletal fluorosis (a rare condition in the United States)
after lifetime exposure."

The very next year the NRC had concluded that it had "identified fluoride as a mineral that can positively influence
human health, and although earlier NRC reports were not conclusive in their opinions, this report concluded that
fluoride was considered to be an element essential for human life based on its role in cellular functions involving
metabolic or biochemical processes. The report further stated that fluoride in drinking water has two beneficial effects:
preventing tooth decay (dental caries) and contributing to bone mineralization and bone matrix integrity. "

Why this sudden change of policies?
Are the phosphate/aluminum/uranium- industry beginning to see major threats to their business, so money are now
talking to prevent further shut down of water fluoridation?

Yes, we should not be surprised at anything like this, for it has all been generally foretold as the sign of the times we live 2 Tim 3:1-5. :D

Quote from Jeff Nading on January 13th, 2013, 08:17 AM

Yes, we should not be surprised at anything like this, for it has all been generally foretold as the sign of the times we live 2 Tim 3:1-5. :D

And I guess the good thing in all this is, it teaches us to revitalize and trust our instincts.  If you have two cages of rats, one with clean, pure, healthy water and the other with same water doped with sodium fluoride, just observe the differences over two or three generations.  Then tell me if you think sodium fluoride is beneficial in any possible way.  You will find it is beneficial within a certain set of criteria.  The rats with doped water will be passive, they won't fight and tear things up; they won't reproduce very well and after a couple of generations their will to live will almost cease.  Sounds perfect--just what we want.  Now lets add that stuff to the human water supply.

Now it's up to you to figure out why someone would want to do that.  Also, think about how hard they will work to convince the ones consuming the fluoride that it is good for them.  Because at some point, the victims will no longer fight back which means the stuff is working.  Neat trick aay?

So the lesson here is  you better fight back while you still can.  Once you cross that line and except everything passively, there's no going back.

Here's an interesting comparison of facts the American Dental Association has concluded in their document "Fluoridation Facts",
http://www.ada.org/sections/newsAndEvents/pdfs/fluoridation_facts.pdf , with facts found by those not working for the ADA.
http://fluoridedebate.com/index.html

Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 11:37 AM

Here's an interesting comparison of facts the American Dental Association has concluded in their document "Fluoridation Facts",
http://www.ada.org/sections/newsAndEvents/pdfs/fluoridation_facts.pdf , with facts found by those not working for the ADA.
http://fluoridedebate.com/index.html

Set aside the debate for a moment and look at it this way:
Why is it in a so-called free country, I am not allowed to choose for myself what I put in my water?  Why do I have to accept some authority telling me, you will have it and you will like it?   That right there tells me all I need to know.

And how many local municipalities have overturned fluoridated water and then have some new mayor go right back and turn it on again after the people of spoken?  It's no accident.  The powers that be want you medicated.  It's that simple.

Quote from Dog-One on January 13th, 2013, 12:00 PM

Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 11:37 AM

Here's an interesting comparison of facts the American Dental Association has concluded in their document "Fluoridation Facts",
http://www.ada.org/sections/newsAndEvents/pdfs/fluoridation_facts.pdf , with facts found by those not working for the ADA.
http://fluoridedebate.com/index.html

Set aside the debate for a moment and look at it this way:
Why is it in a so-called free country, I am not allowed to choose for myself what I put in my water?  Why do I have to accept some authority telling me, you will have it and you will like it?   That right there tells me all I need to know.

And how many local municipalities have overturned fluoridated water and then have some new mayor go right back and turn it on again after the people of spoken?  It's no accident.  The powers that be want you medicated.  It's that simple.

Actually, I think it all comes down to one thing: Money.

I've seen several sites stating a waste cost of about $1.40 per gallon for the stuff,
which would add up to however many millions (thousands...........?) of dollars in
waste treatment costs annually.

Instead the phosphate/aluminum/etc industries legally gets to sell the stuff to
cities, for anything up to $700 per ton, who then dumps into the drinking water.

Greed is indeed a powerful force.

What is the cost for a human being anyway?
As long as the medical costs are lower than the waste treatment costs then the
governments won't mind it much.

Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 01:37 PM

Actually, I think it all comes down to one thing: Money.

Greed is indeed a powerful force.

True it is; money is a part of it yes.  But it goes far deeper than money and greed.
Money is a means to obtain power and it is power these folks are after.

Whether it is Jeff Rense's "Failed Species", or David Icke's "Reptilians", or Jay Weidner's "Archons", there is a force on this planet hell bent on pushing evil to a whole new level.  The manifestations of this over-the-top form of evil shows it's face in almost every facet of life if you just dig a little.  When you witness a U.S. Marine Corporal throw a puppy dog off a cliff or a U.S. Army helicopter pilot mow down a group of civilians and on and on and on...  There is without a doubt something on this planet that is not human, not normal.  Where it came from and how we deal with it will be a struggle until one side or the other prevails.  There will be no common ground, no compromise.  Certainly you have heard the statement, "No good deed shall go unpunished."  The wisdom in that statement speaks volumes for where we are in this world.  We now sit faced with the struggle for our very survival, because this is a winner-takes-all battle.  It has been with us for centuries and getting more powerful by the minute.  So in Harry Callahan's words, "Do you feel lucky?"

Quote from Dog-One on January 13th, 2013, 02:31 PM

Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 01:37 PM

Actually, I think it all comes down to one thing: Money.

Greed is indeed a powerful force.

True it is; money is a part of it yes.  But it goes far deeper than money and greed.
Money is a means to obtain power and it is power these folks are after.

Whether it is Jeff Rense's "Failed Species", or David Icke's "Reptilians", or Jay Weidner's "Archons", there is a force on this planet hell bent on pushing evil to a whole new level.  The manifestations of this over-the-top form of evil shows it's face in almost every facet of life if you just dig a little.  When you witness a U.S. Marine Corporal throw a puppy dog off a cliff or a U.S. Army helicopter pilot mow down a group of civilians and on and on and on...  There is without a doubt something on this planet that is not human, not normal.  Where it came from and how we deal with it will be a struggle until one side or the other prevails.  There will be no common ground, no compromise.  Certainly you have heard the statement, "No good deed shall go unpunished."  The wisdom in that statement speaks volumes for where we are in this world.  We now sit faced with the struggle for our very survival, because this is a winner-takes-all battle.  It has been with us for centuries and getting more powerful by the minute.  So in Harry Callahan's words, "Do you feel lucky?"

Well, let's just say that we're the good guys then.

I'm sure they say the same, so we'd better get winning here asap.

I'd sure like to live in a fluoride free, greedyless, non polluted, united in peace
World, with my car being powered either by a Russ powerhead or a Meyer WFC,
on my way to a space cruising on board a Keshe powered spaceship to the
colonised moons of Jupiter.

Quote from Dog-One on January 13th, 2013, 02:31 PM

Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 01:37 PM

Actually, I think it all comes down to one thing: Money.

Greed is indeed a powerful force.

True it is; money is a part of it yes.  But it goes far deeper than money and greed.
Money is a means to obtain power and it is power these folks are after.

Whether it is Jeff Rense's "Failed Species", or David Icke's "Reptilians", or Jay Weidner's "Archons", there is a force on this planet hell bent on pushing evil to a whole new level.  The manifestations of this over-the-top form of evil shows it's face in almost every facet of life if you just dig a little.  When you witness a U.S. Marine Corporal throw a puppy dog off a cliff or a U.S. Army helicopter pilot mow down a group of civilians and on and on and on...  There is without a doubt something on this planet that is not human, not normal.  Where it came from and how we deal with it will be a struggle until one side or the other prevails.  There will be no common ground, no compromise.  Certainly you have heard the statement, "No good deed shall go unpunished."  The wisdom in that statement speaks volumes for where we are in this world.  We now sit faced with the struggle for our very survival, because this is a winner-takes-all battle.  It has been with us for centuries and getting more powerful by the minute.  So in Harry Callahan's words, "Do you feel lucky?"

Well Dog-one you hit the nail on the head. I wasn't going to go any further with an explanation, but since you have said this, I feel I must. Please read 1 john 5:19, then Revelation 12:7-12.
This is why the world or this system of things we live in, is in the shape it is in. Most will not believe this but it is the only logical explanation, he is real.