Quote from Lynx on January 13th, 2013, 03:01 PM

Well, let's just say that we're the good guys then.

I'm sure they say the same, so we'd better get winning here asap.

I'd sure like to live in a fluoride free, greedyless, non polluted, united in peace
World, with my car being powered either by a Russ powerhead or a Meyer WFC,
on my way to a space cruising on board a Keshe powered spaceship to the
colonised moons of Jupiter.

Right on Lynx.  I'll drink to that.

And sometimes, you just never know where you'll find the next hint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM

Wasn't looking for this but ran across it... Thought I'd share once more. :D
Shows where Orange Juice and Lemon Juice are on the pH scale.

http://www.ndt-ed.org/GeneralResources/pHChart/PhChart.htm

Quote from Dog-One on January 11th, 2013, 12:14 PM

Good post Lynx.  I knew there was a reason you are so sharp.  Fluoride is bad news.  I spent a good chunk of cash trying to get fluoride out of the water which I think I have mostly done for drinking water.  What I still haven't completed is a good way to remove it from washing and bathing water.  It is very difficult to deal with in higher pressure water sources.  Best I can come up with is to use low temperatures, low flow rate and quick use.  Also, chelators to remove the fluoride built-up is a must.  I would personally consult ethospete here on this forum.  He is on our side.

When I switched my dogs over to clean water, their behavior changed drastically.  They are both much more alert and much more able to play with a desire to actually play again.

Fluoride is bad enough by itself but combined with aluminum is very toxic.  Do not let those two materials get anywhere near your food or water.  And avoid so-called fluoride filters--they spit off aluminum as part of their fluoride capturing process.  Distillation, is best but requires other filtering to remove the VOCs that get evaporated from the boiling water and condense right back into what you might think is clean distilled water.

In summary, our environment is highly toxic and the FDA, USDA, EPA...  None of them care.  They have been highjacked.  You are own your own to protect yourself and your family.  God speed everyone.

Hey Dog-One,

You are saying that fluoride filters are no good? I use a "Activated Alumina" filter, and then then my water passes threw two more filters in my water ionizer.


http://www.omicaorganics.com/store/products/omica-shower-filter.html?___SID=U
I use this shower filter in my shower. It makes such a huge difference. My skin is so much softer. It is the only shower filter I have found that removes fluoride. Its a little pricey, but the company offers wholesale prices ;)

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on January 15th, 2013, 06:45 AM

Hey Dog-One,

You are saying that fluoride filters are no good? I use a "Activated Alumina" filter, and then then my water passes threw two more filters in my water ionizer.


http://www.omicaorganics.com/store/products/omica-shower-filter.html?___SID=U
I use this shower filter in my shower. It makes such a huge difference. My skin is so much softer. It is the only shower filter I have found that removes fluoride. Its a little pricey, but the company offers wholesale prices ;)

Thanks for the link Kevin, appreciate it.
The only thing I'm curious about is the note a bit down the page, saying

"If you have a medical condition, are pregnant, lactating, trying to conceive, or taking medications, consult your health care practitioner before using this product."

What's all that about, do you know?

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on January 15th, 2013, 06:45 AM

Hey Dog-One,

You are saying that fluoride filters are no good? I use a "Activated Alumina" filter, and then then my water passes threw two more filters in my water ionizer.

http://www.omicaorganics.com/store/products/omica-shower-filter.html?___SID=U
I use this shower filter in my shower. It makes such a huge difference. My skin is so much softer. It is the only shower filter I have found that removes fluoride. Its a little pricey, but the company offers wholesale prices ;)

I'm pretty certain aluminum is not good.  There are all sorts of links to Alzheimers and other neurological disorders--which is probably why it is found in antiperspirant and sprayed from aircraft.  Recently, I discovered the PF-2 fluoride filters I was using release aluminum as they capture fluoride.  So which of two evils do you live with.  I'd rather get rid of both.  So yeah, I'm skeptical just how well any filtration system actually is.  Trading one toxin for another isn't a good solution.  I don't have laboratory documentation in my hand to prove anything; not sure I would trust it if I did.  It's like I said before, you have to go with your gut, your instincts.  If you suspect something, don't just go along with it because you can't prove it.  Same reason a wild animal will be very leery of a tree cracking in the forest--they don't want to find out the hard way it's a predator.

Yes, I think it's like all the wonder drugs we see advertised on TV, the problems the drugs cause or the effects of them are worse than the illness we would take the drug for in the first place.

Quote from Dog-One on January 15th, 2013, 10:25 AM

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on January 15th, 2013, 06:45 AM

Hey Dog-One,

You are saying that fluoride filters are no good? I use a "Activated Alumina" filter, and then then my water passes threw two more filters in my water ionizer.

http://www.omicaorganics.com/store/products/omica-shower-filter.html?___SID=U
I use this shower filter in my shower. It makes such a huge difference. My skin is so much softer. It is the only shower filter I have found that removes fluoride. Its a little pricey, but the company offers wholesale prices ;)

I'm pretty certain aluminum is not good.  There are all sorts of links to Alzheimers and other neurological disorders--which is probably why it is found in antiperspirant and sprayed from aircraft.  Recently, I discovered the PF-2 fluoride filters I was using release aluminum as they capture fluoride.  So which of two evils do you live with.  I'd rather get rid of both.  So yeah, I'm skeptical just how well any filtration system actually is.  Trading one toxin for another isn't a good solution.  I don't have laboratory documentation in my hand to prove anything; not sure I would trust it if I did.  It's like I said before, you have to go with your gut, your instincts.  If you suspect something, don't just go along with it because you can't prove it.  Same reason a wild animal will be very leery of a tree cracking in the forest--they don't want to find out the hard way it's a predator.

Thanks Dog-One, I think you are totally right about the "Activated Alumina". I guess it never crossed my mind.

There is another product I have called "Adya Clarity". I thought it was good till there was a recall due to aluminum found in the product. I am stuck with a $100 bottle of the stuff...

I  don't think Reverse osmosis water and Distilled water are any good for a drinking water source. Since they have no mineral content they will actually strip the body of its minerals and leave it mineral deficient. I use the most amazing product called Terramin clay for minerals and energy, but maybe that is a new thread topic...



http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1759637#i
When choosing a water filter, for most of us it always comes down to getting out the fluoride, and there are very few options.

So Mercola's would be out for me, and the Berkey system only removes fluoride with the addition of a $55 cartridge (pf-2) which contains 'activated alumina' (aluminum oxide) to adsorb fluoride and arsenic.

Activated alumina concerns me...although constantly we read it's safe, and only adsorbs the fluoride & arensic from water (it is not soluble in water); we know to avoid aluminum (in deodorants, baking powder, cookware, cans, etc). So running our water over/through it is safe? Fluoride can't get past the blood/brain barrier, but when it bonds with aluminum it can. So does the small amount of fluoride that gets past the activated alumina filter media then bond with the aluminum in the water? They say "no" because the aluminum oxide isn't soluble in water...



http://www.aluminum.org/Content/NavigationMenu/TheIndustry/Alumina/default.htm

Alumina
Aluminum originates as an oxide called alumina. Because aluminum itself does not occur in nature as a metal, the processing of aluminum took a giant leap forward with the advent of electricity.
 
Deposits of bauxite ore are mined and refined into alumina—one of the feedstocks for aluminum metal. Then alumina and electricity are combined in a cell with molten electrolyte called cryolite. Direct-current electricity is passed from a consumable carbon anode into the cryolite, splitting the aluminum oxide into molten aluminum metal and carbon-dioxide.

The molten aluminum collects at the bottom of the cell and is periodically “tapped” into a crucible and cast into ingots. While continual progress has been made over the more than 110-year history of aluminum processing to reduce the amount of electricity used, there are currently no viable alternatives to the electrometallurgical process.

However, between materials recovery and ongoing innovative research and development efforts, the industry is constantly searching for ways to reduce the amount of electricity used in aluminum production—and thus the related emissions and costs.

The worldwide alumina industry produces more than 70 million dry metric tons of bauxite residue annually. Australia is the largest alumina refiner in the world, processing nearly one-third of the global total.

Quote from KevinW-dirtwill on January 19th, 2013, 03:29 PM

Thanks Dog-One, I think you are totally right about the "Activated Alumina". I guess it never crossed my mind.

Nor would it hadn't you followed your instincts to investigate it and maybe do something about it.  The real evil here is the dumbing-down effect these things have.  Mentally, you don't know what is taking place, but physically your body does.  Which is why many people end up getting disease, cancers and such because their body is giving up--it tried sending signals to your head to fix the problem, but you didn't listen.  Once you start listening to your body or better said, communicating with your body, you can turn things around.

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Aluminum originates as an oxide called alumina. Because aluminum itself does not occur in nature as a metal...

Now there is a clue if I ever saw one:  "Does not occur in nature"  So again we don't trust our instincts and blindly use this material to cook with, wrap our food up in, add to our baked goods, hmmm...  Seems to me we ought to get a clue before we kill ourselves.

Wow this is a great find. Finally a filter that works to remove fluoride. Can't find a website for them yet


See @ 12:40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdbBQ1MkOug&feature=em-uploademail

I had my annual routine checkup today = both my teeth and gums are A ok, they just scraped away some tartars, that's all.
It's been 3 1/2 years now since I quit using all and any Fluoride and I ain't going back to it.
The only thing about starting a Fluoride free life was the first year as described in the OP, http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=947&pid=11774#pid11774, which basically was all about my body having to learn how to get my native enamel production facility restored so it could start producing strong healthy enamel for my teeth again, as it originally was designed to do.

Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2013, 11:55 AM

I had my annual routine checkup today = both my teeth and gums are A ok, they just scraped away some tartars, that's all.
It's been 3 1/2 years now since I quit using all and any Fluoride and I ain't going back to it.
The only thing about starting a Fluoride free life was the first year as described in the OP, http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=947&pid=11774#pid11774, which basically was all about my body having to learn how to get my native enamel production facility restored so it could start producing strong healthy enamel for my teeth again, as it originally was designed to do.

What is your water source Lynx? R/O water?

Quote from KevinW_EnhancedLiving on May 8th, 2013, 06:07 AM

Quote from Lynx on May 7th, 2013, 11:55 AM

I had my annual routine checkup today = both my teeth and gums are A ok, they just scraped away some tartars, that's all.
It's been 3 1/2 years now since I quit using all and any Fluoride and I ain't going back to it.
The only thing about starting a Fluoride free life was the first year as described in the OP, http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=947&pid=11774#pid11774, which basically was all about my body having to learn how to get my native enamel production facility restored so it could start producing strong healthy enamel for my teeth again, as it originally was designed to do.

What is your water source Lynx? R/O water?

No no, just regular tap water, wherever I find it, without any additives or anything.
I should add that I also keep away from all and any sugar and that which raises the blood sugar (glucose) level, which basically means fast carbs.
Also, I not only stay away from sugar replacements, such as Aspartame, Saccharin, Acesulfame K etc, I also advice others to stay away from them whenever the subject is being debated and warn them of their hazardous side effects, simply because these unpleasant truths are not being debated at all in any main stream media.
What I do say however is that the most healthy form of sugar there is is unprocessed natural sugar, which is brown to it's color, not bone white, this because of the naturally occuring vitamines and minerals that goes along with the sugar to start with, which we're supposed to get whenever we're eating or drinking something that contains sugar.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mercola/fluoride_b_2479833.html

"A recently-published Harvard University meta-analysis funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) has concluded that children who live in areas with highly fluoridated water have "significantly lower" IQ scores than those who live in low fluoride areas."

What's up, is the fluoride lie becoming a too a hazardous lie to keep under the lid, I.E the possible lawsuits waiting in the wings could prove to be more costly than the costs there are for taking care of the fluoride poisons to start with............?

Interesting. :cool:

The real culprits of this neat little hoax will never be punished.  Their modus operandi is to create these little scams, then move on to something else, while the scam gets pushed, becomes the norm, later detected and finally shutdown.  In the meantime, they are already 150 new scams ahead--stuff you won't even hear about for another ten to fifty years or so.

What we need to do is stop these things dead in their tracks BEFORE it becomes the norm.  Look into chemtrails, global warming, weapons, war, finances, corporations, law, politics, food, health, medicine, education, energy, anything that does not quite seem right and you'll find the same pattern.  Take it step further and find out who comes up with and funds/backs these ideas from day one and then ring those person's necks.  That will solve world hunger and most everything else real fast.  It's a big game to these people and it needs to stop.  People need to remain vigilant and take action when they spot anything that is contrary to nature's laws.

I wouldn't be surprised if our DNA are 99.99999999999999% identical.
My sentiments exactly.

Just look at what Greenpeace are doing for example.
They get some good jobs done, but at the end of the day it's business as usual for the greedy bastards running the show as the damage at hand is just a pi$$ in the nile compared to the handsome profit in the end.

I hate to say it, but if, by definition, acts of terrorism is the only way to deal with these people = so be it.
As it is right now this small planet is our only and last resort and if humanity are to survive these peoples unlimited insanity it's more or less necessary to do just that, single out the ones who are using the better part of humanity as guinea pigs, solely for the sake of satisfying their own greed and just end their reign of, dare I say it, terror...........?

Let's just say if I were to see on the news that for example one of Monsanto's production facilities all the sudden had burned to the ground, without any casualties of any kind, then I wouldn't shed many tears TBH.
Or for that matter if some floating fish factory, who are responsible for outfishing the World's total fish stock, were to have been mysteriously lost in the middle of the Pacific ocean, I would probably say that divine justice has been served.

I really don't know of any other way of stopping these people from destroying our beautiful little planet.

Quote from Dog-One link=msg=15516 date=1369245850'

That will solve world hunger and most everything else real fast.

This is where I believe that Aquaponics comes into play.
Imagine this tech/concept on the "industrial" scale.  Or, rather, becomes the new norm.

How cool would that be? :D :cool: :P

Quote from Lynx on May 22nd, 2013, 11:46 AM

Just look at what Greenpeace are doing for example.
They get some good jobs done, but at the end of the day it's business as usual for the greedy bastards running the show as the damage at hand is just a pi$$ in the nile compared to the handsome profit in the end.

They are greedy and spoiled, but they are also very intelligent--didn't get that way overnight being stupid.  Groups like Greenpeace, American Cancer Society, Tea Party, NRA, etc are infiltrated and overtaken.  When that happens, then you have people with what WAS a good cause run right into the ground, taken out of the game.  Usually in the end, these groups actually do exactly the opposite of what they were setup to do.

Quote from Lynx on May 22nd, 2013, 11:46 AM

I hate to say it, but if, by definition, acts of terrorism is the only way to deal with these people = so be it.

Before it was called terrorism, it was called asymmetric warfare.  And it was found to be VERY effective.  Which is why the USI (United States Incorporated) uses Al Qaeda to overthrow legitimate governments, i.e. Libya, Syria and soon Iran.  This method of warfare is actually documented in the U.S. Army Special Forces training guides.

Quote from Lynx on May 22nd, 2013, 11:46 AM

As it is right now this small planet is our only and last resort and if humanity are to survive these peoples unlimited insanity it's more or less necessary to do just that, single out the ones who are using the better part of humanity as guinea pigs, solely for the sake of satisfying their own greed and just end their reign of, dare I say it, terror...........?

Let's just say if I were to see on the news that for example one of Monsanto's production facilities all the sudden had burned to the ground, without any casualties of any kind, then I wouldn't shed many tears TBH.
Or for that matter if some floating fish factory, who are responsible for outfishing the World's total fish stock, were to have been mysteriously lost in the middle of the Pacific ocean, I would probably say that divine justice has been served.

I really don't know of any other way of stopping these people from destroying our beautiful little planet.

You will hear (at least in this country), oh no, do not resort to violence, that's exactly what the bad guys want us to do.  Unfortunately, I think we missed our golden opportunity.  There was a time when using violence could have been effective, but I think that has long passed.  Decapitation of a few key players in the upper echelon would have put them on notice to back off.  At the stage we are at now, I don't think anyone could even get close to doing that let alone be successful.

No, what I think we have now is a raging fire and all we can do is hold on best we can and let the whole damn mess burn to the ground until there is nothing left.  A very large number of folks will die.  It won't be anything sudden, just a slow, steady population reduction until the ones that are left end up being complete robots or die.  If anyone survives that is able to keep their wits, maybe the can stay out of the robot police cameras and try to build back something resembling humanity.  It will surely be one hell of a struggle.  I'm glad I'm not going to be around to literally see hell on earth, but some will.  Poor bastards.

I wish there was more an individual could do, because I would do it.  Our society has been so badly crushed, people don't trust each other, they won't trade their lives or toys for the possibility of regaining freedom; they simply don't care about the most important things in life, things worth fighting and dying for.  And because you can't get large groups to do what's right, the individual is simply screwed--all he or she can do is watch the whole $hit house go up in flames.

It's sad, but it's also a testimony of how well the bad guys played the game.  They played to win and the rest of us played to lose.  And so be it.  It will be done.  To the victors goes the spoils.

Quote from Dog-One on May 22nd, 2013, 05:52 PM

Before it was called terrorism, it was called asymmetric warfare. And it was found to be VERY effective. Which is why the USI (United States Incorporated) uses Al Qaeda to overthrow legitimate governments, i.e. Libya, Syria and soon Iran. This method of warfare is actually documented in the U.S. Army Special Forces training guides.

Dog,

I think this is a little off the original topic... but...
I'd like to read up on that "asymmetric warfare" topic.

Would it be possible to get some of your links/references on that topic?  It would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
:D :cool: :P

(Also, started to read "Tragedy & Hope" by: Carroll Quigley.  It's kind of interesting that some of the concepts he talks about I never learned in "Social Studies" or History Class. I.E. Middle School and High School.)

Hehe... It could also be that I just never payed that much attention to it. :D :P

It goes something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2Xh5eN2fXY

Quote from Ravenous Emu on May 22nd, 2013, 06:08 PM

I think this is a little off the original topic... but...
I'd like to read up on that "asymmetric warfare" topic.

Would it be possible to get some of your links/references on that topic?  It would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

I'll give you just a little taste of it at the Regular Army level, the SpecOps guys take it much further.
/watch?v=SFKb_AjGBB0

Quote from Ravenous Emu on May 22nd, 2013, 06:08 PM

(Also, started to read "Tragedy & Hope" by: Carroll Quigley.  It's kind of interesting that some of the concepts he talks about I never learned in "Social Studies" or History Class. I.E. Middle School and High School.)

Hehe... It could also be that I just never payed that much attention to it. :D :P

A lot of us probably never thought there were a few folks on this planet that would take it seriously.  They do, they are serious.  They want this whole orb for themselves.  And they'll get it too, just wait and see.  People need to quit sucking down the fluoride and open their damn eyes.  I'm not sure that will make any difference now, but I'll tell you this:

I came into this world kicking and screaming; covered with someone else's blood and I'll probably end up leaving it the same way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE

Sure would be nice if I had some help.

Thanks for posting this crucial information. To the victims of this deception: Water distillation and subsequent filtering is easy to do at home. We can refuse to purchase toothpaste containing fluoride and certain medications to avoid exposure. There are even measures, expensive measures, to purify water directly from the pipe coming into your house for washing bathing cleaning etc.

However, water is present in the majority of foods we consume; water more often than not contaminated with fluoride. This is especially true for condensed, boiled, and reduced products as concentration naturally occurs. Fruits, vegetables, and the majority of agricultural products are irrigated with municipal water supplies containing fluoride. Even certain organic food manufacturers are unaware of this hidden poison and unknowingly integrate fluoride into otherwise healthy alternatives to processed corporate food-opoly. Sports drinks, coffee, vitamin water, virtually any prepackaged beverage commercially available to consumers also represents a risk to fluoride exposure.

The stifling conclusion necessarily drawn from the collective analysis of fluoride toxicity, is that in order to protect our selves and our families from deliberate, malicious contamination with these otherwise indisposed aluminum and phosphate mining industrial by-products, we must work together to free ourselves from dependency on municipality in regards to water acquisition and food production. Fortunately these two measures work hand in hand.

An Australian inventor by the name of Edward Linacre, (http://www.gizmag.com/airdrop-wins-james-dyson-award/20471/) earned the James Dyson award in 2011 for designing a low tech solution for extracting water from air. Drought ravaged agriculture in Australia, and crippled farmers facing debt in the greedy clutches of monopolistic indentured servitude, and this invention emerged as a response to increasing farmer suicides. Essentially, a solar powered condenser extracts humidity in the air and powers a low pressure drip irrigation system to provide free water for crops. This has been shown to work in desert areas where humidity levels are incredibly low. Sounds too good to be true? Think again. It gets even better.

Standalone, this invention revolutionizes the capabilities of home gardening and sustainable household agriculture, however, when coupled with gravity, the sky is literally the limit. Suppose a water tower is erected with several hundred solar condensers mounted atop, each working independently to fill the reservoir with condensed atmospheric humidity, and a turbine is installed midway to ground level to generate electricity as the reservoir empties to irrigate crops. Unused water can be stored in a nearby solar still for purification and pumped with electricity generated by the turbine for use in showering, cleaning, washing etc. When scaled up, this marriage of technologies represents a viable sustainable renewable source of water purification, energy, and agriculture, and if further refined, could be implemented on a small scale for individual families too. Thank you Edward Linacre for this incredibly simple yet unimaginably useful technology. Progress.

Quote from Dog-One on May 22nd, 2013, 06:37 PM

I came into this world kicking and screaming; covered with someone else's blood and I'll probably end up leaving it the same way.

Thanks for the info Dog.
Hehe... you've got a pretty good point there. :D

Lynx....

I added this info to your first post.

http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1759637#i
When choosing a water filter, for most of us it always comes down to getting out the fluoride, and there are very few options.

So Mercola's would be out for me, and the Berkey system only removes fluoride with the addition of a $55 cartridge (pf-2) which contains 'activated alumina' (aluminum oxide) to adsorb fluoride and arsenic.

Activated alumina concerns me...although constantly we read it's safe, and only adsorbs the fluoride & arensic from water (it is not soluble in water); we know to avoid aluminum (in deodorants, baking powder, cookware, cans, etc). So running our water over/through it is safe? Fluoride can't get past the blood/brain barrier, but when it bonds with aluminum it can. So does the small amount of fluoride that gets past the activated alumina filter media then bond with the aluminum in the water? They say "no" because the aluminum oxide isn't soluble in water...



http://www.aluminum.org/Content/Navigati...efault.htm

Alumina
Aluminum originates as an oxide called alumina. Because aluminum itself does not occur in nature as a metal, the processing of aluminum took a giant leap forward with the advent of electricity.

Deposits of bauxite ore are mined and refined into alumina—one of the feedstocks for aluminum metal. Then alumina and electricity are combined in a cell with molten electrolyte called cryolite. Direct-current electricity is passed from a consumable carbon anode into the cryolite, splitting the aluminum oxide into molten aluminum metal and carbon-dioxide.

The molten aluminum collects at the bottom of the cell and is periodically “tapped” into a crucible and cast into ingots. While continual progress has been made over the more than 110-year history of aluminum processing to reduce the amount of electricity used, there are currently no viable alternatives to the electrometallurgical process.

However, between materials recovery and ongoing innovative research and development efforts, the industry is constantly searching for ways to reduce the amount of electricity used in aluminum production—and thus the related emissions and costs.

The worldwide alumina industry produces more than 70 million dry metric tons of bauxite residue annually. Australia is the largest alumina refiner in the world, processing nearly one-third of the global total.

Thanks Kevin.
Which Fluoride filter would you recommend given the many hazards involved in for instance alumina etc?

http://www.aquasana.com/product_detail.php?product_id=24

http://www.aquasana.com/product_detail.php?product_id=11
Cool model for no installation.

I really like these filters. They use coconut to make them.

The water comes out very alkaline and tasty.

Replacement filters are cheap every 8 months or so and shipping is free.

Not sure about the Fluoride thing, but this is some really good quality water, especially for the price

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuTD-FGwLr0#

I just got one question:






When the HELL are people gonna wake up and see the TRUTH?