Got passed a link to this video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hNW7qxIMzg

I dont know much about this guy but i had a few spare hours to watch the video. But within the first half hour he's claiming he makes compounds from inert gases argon etc. And that he uses different frequencies of laser light to achieve this, interesting paralells with stans work.

Hi  all

Reading and researching and thinking along all these
high voltage microwave ,antennas wave guides ,
 light led and hz anf ambient hz and hearing orbits and vibrations

and hearing
Stephen meyer talk about marconi , working out
he had to match the 60 hz in the air to transmit successufully
 with out feed back to get depth performance and vibrations.

I think we should look closely at microwave oven technology alot more
closer to see what it does to create heat on the atom electrons and photons of food
when heating,  

 the vibration and wave guides in side are extremely close to what we are doing and with more explanation on forums here we may just crack the wave guide light and ambient frequency hz  combo

to crack water instantly together.

we are real close now and have mechanical side nearly done

please read post

Dan

Hi Guys!

I have done some research about ionizing the oxygen in the case of water spark plug when we use negatively charged very fine water vapor to combine with positive oxygen ions in the combustion chamber, and by collecting the electrons from water will brake the bonds of water molecules releasing hydrogen and oxygen atoms. What do you say to this?



To help the oxygen in loosing it's first electron the 777nm wavelength proves to be to have the highest transition probability.

O I
777.19 nm        2s22p3(4S°)3s    -> 2s22p3(4S°)3p        

LED780-03AU,    780 nm, 18 mW at 50 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

Unfortunately it will not push the electron to the next shell only it will help to change its orbital when the electron configuration will be 2s22p3(4S°)3s. But how the electron will get to this 3s shell? Maybe the corona discharge and the other wavelengths will help to achieve this?

O II
407.58nm          2s22p2(3P)3p ->  2s22p2(3P)3d      

LED405-06V, 405 nm, 10 mW / 140 mcd at 20 mA, +/-9°, 5 mm clear epoxy


O III
396.15nm          2s22p(2P°)3p -> 2s22p(2P°)3d          
RLU395-8-30, 395 nm, 8 mW at 20 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

O IV
373.68nm            2s2p(3P°)3p    -> 2s2p(3P°)3d              
NS370L-5RLO, 370 nm, 3.0 mW at 20 mA, 15°, 5 mm clear UV-resistant epoxy,



What do you say to all this?
Maybe the 557.7nm and the 630nm will do the job but i think it will only help in loosing the first electron of the oxygen atom and it has lesser transition probability than 777nm. Unfortunately the LEDs are not cheap.


Some info about charged water vapor:
http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=68567

Quote from Quantum on May 8th, 2012, 07:30 AM

Hi Guys!

I have done some research about ionizing the oxygen in the case of water spark plug when we use negatively charged very fine water vapor to combine with positive oxygen ions in the combustion chamber, and by collecting the electrons from water will brake the bonds of water molecules releasing hydrogen and oxygen atoms. What do you say to this?



To help the oxygen in loosing it's first electron the 777nm wavelength proves to be to have the highest transition probability.

O I
777.19 nm        2s22p3(4S°)3s    -> 2s22p3(4S°)3p        

LED780-03AU,    780 nm, 18 mW at 50 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

Unfortunately it will not push the electron to the next shell only it will help to change its orbital when the electron configuration will be 2s22p3(4S°)3s. But how the electron will get to this 3s shell? Maybe the corona discharge and the other wavelengths will help to achieve this?

O II
407.58nm          2s22p2(3P)3p ->  2s22p2(3P)3d      

LED405-06V, 405 nm, 10 mW / 140 mcd at 20 mA, +/-9°, 5 mm clear epoxy


O III
396.15nm          2s22p(2P°)3p -> 2s22p(2P°)3d          
RLU395-8-30, 395 nm, 8 mW at 20 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

O IV
373.68nm            2s2p(3P°)3p    -> 2s2p(3P°)3d              
NS370L-5RLO, 370 nm, 3.0 mW at 20 mA, 15°, 5 mm clear UV-resistant epoxy,



What do you say to all this?
Maybe the 557.7nm and the 630nm will do the job but i think it will only help in loosing the first electron of the oxygen atom and it has lesser transition probability than 777nm. Unfortunately the LEDs are not cheap.


Some info about charged water vapor:
http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=68567

Looks like 777nm wavelength is waters sweet spot.:huh::cool:

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 8th, 2012, 11:27 AM

Quote from Quantum on May 8th, 2012, 07:30 AM

Hi Guys!

I have done some research about ionizing the oxygen in the case of water spark plug when we use negatively charged very fine water vapor to combine with positive oxygen ions in the combustion chamber, and by collecting the electrons from water will brake the bonds of water molecules releasing hydrogen and oxygen atoms. What do you say to this?



To help the oxygen in loosing it's first electron the 777nm wavelength proves to be to have the highest transition probability.

O I
777.19 nm        2s22p3(4S°)3s    -> 2s22p3(4S°)3p        

LED780-03AU,    780 nm, 18 mW at 50 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

Unfortunately it will not push the electron to the next shell only it will help to change its orbital when the electron configuration will be 2s22p3(4S°)3s. But how the electron will get to this 3s shell? Maybe the corona discharge and the other wavelengths will help to achieve this?

O II
407.58nm          2s22p2(3P)3p ->  2s22p2(3P)3d      

LED405-06V, 405 nm, 10 mW / 140 mcd at 20 mA, +/-9°, 5 mm clear epoxy


O III
396.15nm          2s22p(2P°)3p -> 2s22p(2P°)3d          
RLU395-8-30, 395 nm, 8 mW at 20 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

O IV
373.68nm            2s2p(3P°)3p    -> 2s2p(3P°)3d              
NS370L-5RLO, 370 nm, 3.0 mW at 20 mA, 15°, 5 mm clear UV-resistant epoxy,



What do you say to all this?
Maybe the 557.7nm and the 630nm will do the job but i think it will only help in loosing the first electron of the oxygen atom and it has lesser transition probability than 777nm. Unfortunately the LEDs are not cheap.


Some info about charged water vapor:
http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=68567

Looks like 777nm wavelength is waters sweet spot.:huh::cool:

It's a weak spot for exciting the the neutral oxygen atom's electron in orbital 3s when it has electron configuration 1s2 2s2 2p3 (4S°) 3s. But first, electron must get there from 1s2 2s2 2p4 ground state, maybe with help of positive corona discharge on a right frequency and help from other LED's. But maybe we wont need this 777nm for the removal of the first electron if the corona discharge does it by itself or with help from other LED's.

http://www.kentchemistry.com/links/AtomicStructure/econfig.htm
http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/ASD/lines_form.html

Quote from Quantum on May 9th, 2012, 02:22 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on May 8th, 2012, 11:27 AM

Quote from Quantum on May 8th, 2012, 07:30 AM

Hi Guys!

I have done some research about ionizing the oxygen in the case of water spark plug when we use negatively charged very fine water vapor to combine with positive oxygen ions in the combustion chamber, and by collecting the electrons from water will brake the bonds of water molecules releasing hydrogen and oxygen atoms. What do you say to this?



To help the oxygen in loosing it's first electron the 777nm wavelength proves to be to have the highest transition probability.

O I
777.19 nm        2s22p3(4S°)3s    -> 2s22p3(4S°)3p        

LED780-03AU,    780 nm, 18 mW at 50 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

Unfortunately it will not push the electron to the next shell only it will help to change its orbital when the electron configuration will be 2s22p3(4S°)3s. But how the electron will get to this 3s shell? Maybe the corona discharge and the other wavelengths will help to achieve this?

O II
407.58nm          2s22p2(3P)3p ->  2s22p2(3P)3d      

LED405-06V, 405 nm, 10 mW / 140 mcd at 20 mA, +/-9°, 5 mm clear epoxy


O III
396.15nm          2s22p(2P°)3p -> 2s22p(2P°)3d          
RLU395-8-30, 395 nm, 8 mW at 20 mA, 30°, 5 mm clear epoxy,

O IV
373.68nm            2s2p(3P°)3p    -> 2s2p(3P°)3d              
NS370L-5RLO, 370 nm, 3.0 mW at 20 mA, 15°, 5 mm clear UV-resistant epoxy,



What do you say to all this?
Maybe the 557.7nm and the 630nm will do the job but i think it will only help in loosing the first electron of the oxygen atom and it has lesser transition probability than 777nm. Unfortunately the LEDs are not cheap.


Some info about charged water vapor:
http://www.gatech.edu/newsroom/release.html?nid=68567

Looks like 777nm wavelength is waters sweet spot.:huh::cool:

It's a weak spot for exciting the the neutral oxygen atom's electron in orbital 3s when it has electron configuration 1s2 2s2 2p3 (4S°) 3s. But first, electron must get there from 1s2 2s2 2p4 ground state, maybe with help of positive corona discharge on a right frequency and help from other LED's. But maybe we wont need this 777nm for the removal of the first electron if the corona discharge does it by itself or with help from other LED's.

http://www.kentchemistry.com/links/AtomicStructure/econfig.htm
http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/ASD/lines_form.html

Very good information Quatum, Thanks.

For O I instead of 777nm it would be better to use 844.6nm because it is way more cheaper to get 850nm IR LED.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=850nm+LED&_sacat=0&_odkw=850nm&_sop=15&gbr=1&_fcid=93&_osacat=12576&_trkparms=65%253A15%257C66%253A1%257C39%253A1&_clu=2



For the 373.6nm LED i have found this supplier:
http://www.easylightbuy.com/5mm-uv-purple-light-370375nm-led-50-pieces_p1844.html

The 395nm and 405nm LED's are also cheap on ebay.

Quote from Quantum on May 9th, 2012, 10:39 AM

For O I instead of 777nm it would be better to use 844.6nm because it is way more cheaper to get 850nm IR LED.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=850nm+LED&_sacat=0&_odkw=850nm&_sop=15&gbr=1&_fcid=93&_osacat=12576&_trkparms=65%253A15%257C66%253A1%257C39%253A1&_clu=2



For the 373.6nm LED i have found this supplier:
http://www.easylightbuy.com/5mm-uv-purple-light-370375nm-led-50-pieces_p1844.html

The 395nm and 405nm LED's are also cheap on ebay.

That's even better.:D:P

so stan talks about just the outer valance ring?

so thus the choice of stan for the red led's ???

just some thoughts?

good work Quantum!

~Russ

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 10th, 2012, 03:18 AM

so stan talks about just the outer valance ring?

so thus the choice of stan for the red led's ???

just some thoughts?

good work Quantum!

~Russ

Look the attachment first.

I found this in the help of Atomic Spectra page:

http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/ASD/Html/lineshelp.html#OUTPUT_LINE

"The following points should be kept in mind when using the relative intensities:

There is no common scale for relative intensities. The values in the database are taken from the values given by the authors of the cited publications. Since different authors use different scales, the relative intensities have meaning only within a given spectrum; that is, within the spectrum of a given element in a given stage of ionization.
The relative intensities are most useful in comparing strengths of spectral lines that are not separated widely. This results from the fact that most relative intensities are not corrected for spectral sensitivity of the measuring instruments (spectrometers, photomultipliers, photographic emulsions).
The relative intensities for a spectrum depend on the light source used for the excitation. These values can change from source to source, and this is another reason to regard the values as being only qualitative."


Because of this I think we should decide, keeping in mind the transition probability Aki for comparing between the result. But maybe the results are comparable between the same references only, I don't know that. If you look the red spectrum you can see that the transition probabilities are smaller compared to 844nm. Im sure red LED will have effect in the right wavelength for example 615nm and 645nm but they are harder to find.

I think he talks about the valence electrons because those are reacting first as far as I know.


These are the LED's I'm planing to use.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-x-3W-Red-LED-20mm-Star-Board-DIY-650-660nm-Plant-Glowth-Light-90LM-/220981518703?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337386616f#ht_1627wt_952
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3W-405nm-UV-Led-Blub-for-Aquarium-/250947529770?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6da36c2a#ht_1680wt_1139
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-3w-395nm-40lm-UV-LED-3-Watt-/370533952464?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56458b6bd0#ht_872wt_952
Maybe: 365-375nm 3W LED http://th-led.en.alibaba.com/product/452431077-212611625/3W_High_Power_UV_Led_365nm_E_chip.html

Hi Guys,

I have some hi-power 790nM LEDs. I design LED illuminators and LED drivers, including PWM circuits.

-Bill

Quote from fuel_saver2006 on May 31st, 2012, 04:25 PM

Hi Guys,

I have some hi-power 790nM LEDs. I design LED illuminators and LED drivers, including PWM circuits.

-Bill

hi bill. do you have access to led suppliers also? or is this a side hobby?

thanks!!! ~Russ

This is my third attempt to post a message.

I have high-power 740nM LEDs.Test number 4

 
Just an idea. If you wanted to try all of the ranges, You could use an RGB led instead and control it with a Pulse Width Modulator to give your all the different spectrum colors.   It would be different than using the original Red led's, but give you more of a range to cover.  If you added some UV and InfraRed with the RGB, you could probably cover the entire spectrum.  

Here is an interesting wiki page on a "Pulse Oximeter". It's a device to measure oxygen in the blood (used in hospitals) via 660nm RED and 905-940nm Infrared LED's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_oximeter#Indication
 
Here are the differences between a LED and Semiconductor Laser Diode. The Red LED's were used in the original gas gun.. look at the side picture. They appear to be just red LED's,

Quote from Quantum on May 10th, 2012, 07:03 AM

Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on May 10th, 2012, 03:18 AM

so stan talks about just the outer valance ring?

so thus the choice of stan for the red led's ???

just some thoughts?

good work Quantum!

~Russ

Look the attachment first.

I found this in the help of Atomic Spectra page:

http://physics.nist.gov/PhysRefData/ASD/Html/lineshelp.html#OUTPUT_LINE

"The following points should be kept in mind when using the relative intensities:

There is no common scale for relative intensities. The values in the database are taken from the values given by the authors of the cited publications. Since different authors use different scales, the relative intensities have meaning only within a given spectrum; that is, within the spectrum of a given element in a given stage of ionization.
The relative intensities are most useful in comparing strengths of spectral lines that are not separated widely. This results from the fact that most relative intensities are not corrected for spectral sensitivity of the measuring instruments (spectrometers, photomultipliers, photographic emulsions).
The relative intensities for a spectrum depend on the light source used for the excitation. These values can change from source to source, and this is another reason to regard the values as being only qualitative."


Because of this I think we should decide, keeping in mind the transition probability Aki for comparing between the result. But maybe the results are comparable between the same references only, I don't know that. If you look the red spectrum you can see that the transition probabilities are smaller compared to 844nm. Im sure red LED will have effect in the right wavelength for example 615nm and 645nm but they are harder to find.

I think he talks about the valence electrons because those are reacting first as far as I know.


These are the LED's I'm planing to use.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2PCS-x-3W-Red-LED-20mm-Star-Board-DIY-650-660nm-Plant-Glowth-Light-90LM-/220981518703?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337386616f#ht_1627wt_952
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3W-405nm-UV-Led-Blub-for-Aquarium-/250947529770?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6da36c2a#ht_1680wt_1139
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1pc-3w-395nm-40lm-UV-LED-3-Watt-/370533952464?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56458b6bd0#ht_872wt_952
Maybe: 365-375nm 3W LED http://th-led.en.alibaba.com/product/452431077-212611625/3W_High_Power_UV_Led_365nm_E_chip.html

I think your right in the area...  


Just some Ideas here..

Here's a pretty good chart to have, BTW:
http://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/full_spectrum.jpg


Visible Light Spectrum and Hydrogen Emission/Absorption Spectrum
http://www.efg2.com/Lab/ScienceAndEngineering/Spectra.htm

Solar Reflectometry (like Stan's diagrams talk about Solar Light and water
absorption) - this is a special chart used by Satillites to map earth water and land and clouds) note the range of H2/O2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MODIS_ATM_solar_irradiance.jpg

If looking at just Electromagnetic absorption of water than the UV scale
wins and has the most, but that many not be what we are looking for...

After some research, I belive he choose the RED led spectrum because
it has the most reaction in Emissions and Absorbtion of the photons from Hydrogen and Oxygen.  The Bohr and Balmer models show the range that the
photons are supposed be most excited by and glow. (Gas Discharge of Photons,
(related to the work of Max Planck/Einstien).

http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/discharge.html

The photon reaction is max the Red range for each,
according to this spectrum:
--------------------------------------
                     NanoMeter  Strength
Hydrogen Max Strength  6562.85  180
Oxygen Max Strength    6158.18  490
--------------------------------------

612nm Orange LED and 660nm Red LED's are close in range.  

If you still wanted to build a "full spectrum range" Hydrogen Gas Gun to see how different Nanonmeter, I would consider using each one of these LED's x3:

1. UV LED's 392 to 400nm
2. RGB Tri-color Leds with 400nm to 700nm  w/ Pulse width for 7 color mixing.
3. IR LED's 740nm to 940nm

With PWM, you can get up to 7 or 8 different colors from the RGB Tri-Color
LED's. Combined with the UV/and IR LED's you can get a pretty good spectrum.
If one was to use an Arduino board with a color light sensor like this
(http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10656) you could write a program set the color you want in nanometers...


Here was the raw data from Hydrogen and Oxygen Emissions files from the spectrum chart at:
http://astro.u-strasbg.fr/~koppen/discharge/discharge.html

------------- Hydrogen Data-
NanoMeter Strength
3970.07    8
4101.74   15
4340.47   30
4861.33   80
6562.72  120
6562.85  180
------------- Oxygen Data-
NanonMeter Strength
3911.96  450
3919.29  160
3947.29  185
3947.48  160
3947.59  140
3954.37  220
3954.61  100
3973.26  450
3982.20  220
4069.90  160
4072.16  285
4075.87  450
4083.91   80
4087.14   50
4089.27  150
4097.24  110
4105.00  220
4119.22  285
4132.81  160
4146.06   50
4153.30  220
4185.46  285
4189.79  450
4233.27   80
4253.74   50
4253.98   50
4275.47   50
4303.78   50
4317.14  285
4336.86  160
4345.56  220
4349.43  285
4366.90  220
4368.25  100
4395.95  220
4414.91  450
4416.98  285
4448.21  160
4452.38  160
4465.45   50
4466.28   50
4467.83   50
4469.41   50
4590.97  360
4596.17  285
4609.39   80
4638.85  160
4641.81  360
4649.14  450
4650.84  160
4661.64  360
4676.23  285
4699.21  220
4705.36  285
4924.60  160
4943.06  220
5329.10  135
5329.68  160
5330.74  190
5435.18   90
5435.78  110
5436.86  135
5577.34  120
5958.39  160
5958.58  190
5995.28   80
6046.23  160
6046.44  190
6046.49  110
6106.27  100
6155.98  400
6156.77  450
6158.18  490
6256.83   80
6261.55  100
6366.34  100
6374.32  100
6453.60  320
6454.44  360
6455.98  400
6604.91   80
6653.83  100
7001.92  360
7002.23  450
7156.70  210

(THIS IS FROM THIS THREAD: http://open-source-energy.org/?tid=552)

Quote from Ravenous Emu on June 2nd, 2012, 10:59 PM

Quote from nbq201 on June 2nd, 2012, 10:21 PM

One of the misnomers in Stan's work is that when he says "Laser Energy" and
using "Semiconductor Lasers" when he is actually referring to LED's... When you look at the "Gas Gun" photos you can see the 22 ohm resistors and the RED LED's he used for the construction... but all appear to be just LED's.

I just did a random search about this and here's what I found... and this may be what stan was referring to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_diode
"A laser diode is a laser whose active medium is a semiconductor similar to that found in a light-emitting diode. The most common type of laser diode is formed from a p-n junction and powered by injected electric current. The former devices are sometimes referred to as injection laser diodes to distinguish them from optically pumped laser diodes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser
The term "laser" originated as an acronym for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

656 nm with Hydrogen is confirmed here too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmer_series

Called "H-Alpha" because it is the strongest.

Very interesting..............
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-alpha

"H-alpha (Hα) is a specific red visible spectral line created by hydrogen with a wavelength of 656.28 nm, which occurs when a hydrogen  electron falls from its third to second lowest energy level. It is difficult for humans to see H-alpha at night, but due to the abundance of hydrogen in space, H-alpha is often the brightest wavelength of visible light in stellar astronomy."

"H-alpha has a wavelength of 656.281 nm,[1] is visible in the red part of the electromagnetic spectrum, and is the easiest way for astronomers to trace the ionized hydrogen content of gas clouds. Since it takes nearly as much energy to excite the hydrogen atom's electron from n = 1 to n = 3 as it does to ionize the hydrogen atom, the probability of the electron being excited to n  = 3 without being removed from the atom is very small. Instead, after being ionized, the electron and proton recombine to form a new hydrogen atom. In the new atom, the electron may begin in any energy level, and subsequently cascades to the ground state (n = 1), emitting photons with each transition. Approximately half the time, this cascade will include the n = 3 to n = 2 transition and the atom will emit H-alpha light. Therefore, the H-alpha line occurs where hydrogen is being ionized."

I think it may be the right track.  Page 67, Birth of a new technology: "Absorbed laser energy (Read: LED) (131) of hydrogen gas atom nucleus (133) weakens electrical bonding force (CC) between hydrogen atom electron and hydrogen atom nucleus (133)"

So like the name implys the "Hydrogen Gas Gun"'s focus was on the Hydrogen range only.  So a RED Led with the Nanometer wavelength of 656nm would be perfect.   like this these: (http://www.mouser.com/osram_golden_dragon_plus/)
typical 660nm, cenrtroid wavelength is 656nm.

http://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/component-leds/5mm-red-led-15-degree-viewing-angle-2400-mcd/285/

The "Gas Processor" was different in Ionizing Air
If it was for Oxygen then it would be in the peak 615.8nm range of  Amber/Orange
LED's from the spectrum.    It's been reported that Oxygen is at it's peak at 777.19 nm, also which is in the  Longwave Near InfraRed scale, but it doesn't appear on the spectrum chart.

It's has also been reported that wavelengths of 193nm to 243nm (UV-C scale) and  320nm to 400nm  "Ionizes Air"  "on the "UV-A/B/Violet" scale.  At 185nm Photolithic Ozone is Created?
 Air "sanitizers" are supposed to work on 253.7 nanometers to disinfect bateria in the air.  This one needs further research.

Just for fun here are these also:
Nitrogen 399.5nm  "UV-A" range
Argon 696.5nm  or 706.7nm "Red" to "Shortwave Near InfraRed"

Quote from nbq201 on June 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM

The "Gas Processor" was different in Ionizing Air
If it was for Oxygen then it would be in the peak 615.8nm range of  Amber/Orange
LED's from the spectrum.    It's been reported that Oxygen is at it's peak at 777.19 nm, also which is in the  Longwave Near InfraRed scale, but it doesn't appear on the spectrum chart.

I agree, the 615 and 777nm are helping in the first electron removal from O atom so it will be ok for creating the O I as also the 645nm. For O II i would use 407nm. For O III 396nm. And for O IV 373nm. But every single led has effect on not jut one transition but for almost every transition from O I to O IV and this is good.

Now I am building my Air Ionizer with common elements what can you buy at stores. When its finished i will post my results. I am using flyback transformer around 125kHz for creating the positive corona discharge in a reflective tube in inside what will be illuminated by the LED's pulsing light on same frequency 125kHz but in 180 degree out of phase. For electron extraction will try out a few things for example a light bulb in series, resistive wire, dense screen mesh with steel wool or something like this. To test the ionizer i am planning to mix the ionized air and burn it with PB gas maybe, and of course will put it on some kind of engine air inlet witch will use regular fuel, sucking the air only trough the ionizer. I will also insert negatively charged fine water vapor in to the engine trying to minimize the benzine consumption. Now I am planning the driving circuits for the LED's, injector, temperature controller for the water heater before the injector, flyback drivers.

Using HHO with ionized hydrogen using 660nm leds in the resonant electrolyser is also a plan. So with all this together combined the water vapor, ionized air, HHO, exhaust gases I am hoping good results.

Quote from Quantum on June 4th, 2012, 07:53 AM

Quote from nbq201 on June 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM

The "Gas Processor" was different in Ionizing Air
If it was for Oxygen then it would be in the peak 615.8nm range of  Amber/Orange
LED's from the spectrum.    It's been reported that Oxygen is at it's peak at 777.19 nm, also which is in the  Longwave Near InfraRed scale, but it doesn't appear on the spectrum chart.

I agree, the 615 and 777nm are helping in the first electron removal from O atom so it will be ok for creating the O I as also the 645nm. For O II i would use 407nm. For O III 396nm. And for O IV 373nm. But every single led has effect on not jut one transition but for almost every transition from O I to O IV and this is good.

Now I am building my Air Ionizer with common elements what can you buy at stores. When its finished i will post my results. I am using flyback transformer around 125kHz for creating the positive corona discharge in a reflective tube in inside what will be illuminated by the LED's pulsing light on same frequency 125kHz but in 180 degree out of phase. For electron extraction will try out a few things for example a light bulb in series, resistive wire, dense screen mesh with steel wool or something like this. To test the ionizer i am planning to mix the ionized air and burn it with PB gas maybe, and of course will put it on some kind of engine air inlet witch will use regular fuel, sucking the air only trough the ionizer. I will also insert negatively charged fine water vapor in to the engine trying to minimize the benzine consumption. Now I am planning the driving circuits for the LED's, injector, temperature controller for the water heater before the injector, flyback drivers.

Using HHO with ionized hydrogen using 660nm leds in the resonant electrolyser is also a plan. So with all this together combined the water vapor, ionized air, HHO, exhaust gases I am hoping good results.

Can you post your flyback circuit and how it connects to the flyback transformer,if you have it already? Thanks Jeff.:D

Ok, let's try this again.  I tried to post this, but it didn't show up.

I've been scanning the latest discussions ever since I joined, and I believe that something is being overlooked.

The "WFC" that Stan had been developing seems to have been on the path to the technology described in the video that Jeff posted in this thread.  Through the use of electric frequency electrolysis, electro-magnetic frequency ionization with the "gas gun", and plasma frequency from the injector, I believe that Stan was softening the plasma field of the atom and tapping into the energy of the nucleus.

I do not wish to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but I believe that the "WFC" is a means to an end.  By reducing the expenditures, one can devote more resources to the technologies that are more productive.

By the way, has anyone actually watched the whole video?

Quote from FloatyBoaty on June 4th, 2012, 01:45 PM

Ok, let's try this again.  I tried to post this, but it didn't show up.

I've been scanning the latest discussions ever since I joined, and I believe that something is being overlooked.

The "WFC" that Stan had been developing seems to have been on the path to the technology described in the video that Jeff posted in this thread.  Through the use of electric frequency electrolysis, electro-magnetic frequency ionization with the "gas gun", and plasma frequency from the injector, I believe that Stan was softening the plasma field of the atom and tapping into the energy of the nucleus.

I do not wish to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but I believe that the "WFC" is a means to an end.  By reducing the expenditures, one can devote more resources to the technologies that are more productive.

By the way, has anyone actually watched the whole video?

I have watched the video in it's entirety, + a few others by M.T. Keshe, the guy has cracked the code to photosynthesis, with this power he could destroy or rule the world, but yet he wants to give it to the world. I think this is what Tesla had already accomplished and gave to Dr. Carr because he said the world was not ready for such technology. I also think this led Stan to the same conclusions Carr had come to from Tesla's work. The water fuel cell was just the tip of the iceberg.:D:cool:

Quote from Jeff Nading on June 4th, 2012, 02:40 PM

Quote from FloatyBoaty on June 4th, 2012, 01:45 PM

Ok, let's try this again.  I tried to post this, but it didn't show up.

I've been scanning the latest discussions ever since I joined, and I believe that something is being overlooked.

The "WFC" that Stan had been developing seems to have been on the path to the technology described in the video that Jeff posted in this thread.  Through the use of electric frequency electrolysis, electro-magnetic frequency ionization with the "gas gun", and plasma frequency from the injector, I believe that Stan was softening the plasma field of the atom and tapping into the energy of the nucleus.

I do not wish to put a damper on the enthusiasm, but I believe that the "WFC" is a means to an end.  By reducing the expenditures, one can devote more resources to the technologies that are more productive.

By the way, has anyone actually watched the whole video?

I have watched the video in it's entirety, + a few others by M.T. Keshe, the guy has cracked the code to photosynthesis, with this power he could destroy or rule the world, but yet he wants to give it to the world. I think this is what Tesla had already accomplished and gave to Dr. Carr because he said the world was not ready for such technology. I also think this led Stan to the same conclusions Carr had come to from Tesla's work. The water fuel cell was just the tip of the iceberg.:D:cool:

I'm going to try to get Keshe's and Carr's books.  :)

Quote from Quantum on June 4th, 2012, 07:53 AM

Quote from nbq201 on June 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM

The "Gas Processor" was different in Ionizing Air
If it was for Oxygen then it would be in the peak 615.8nm range of  Amber/Orange
LED's from the spectrum.    It's been reported that Oxygen is at it's peak at 777.19 nm, also which is in the  Longwave Near InfraRed scale, but it doesn't appear on the spectrum chart.

I agree, the 615 and 777nm are helping in the first electron removal from O atom so it will be ok for creating the O I as also the 645nm. For O II i would use 407nm. For O III 396nm. And for O IV 373nm. But every single led has effect on not jut one transition but for almost every transition from O I to O IV and this is good.

Now I am building my Air Ionizer with common elements what can you buy at stores. When its finished i will post my results. I am using flyback transformer around 125kHz for creating the positive corona discharge in a reflective tube in inside what will be illuminated by the LED's pulsing light on same frequency 125kHz but in 180 degree out of phase. For electron extraction will try out a few things for example a light bulb in series, resistive wire, dense screen mesh with steel wool or something like this. To test the ionizer i am planning to mix the ionized air and burn it with PB gas maybe, and of course will put it on some kind of engine air inlet witch will use regular fuel, sucking the air only trough the ionizer. I will also insert negatively charged fine water vapor in to the engine trying to minimize the benzine consumption. Now I am planning the driving circuits for the LED's, injector, temperature controller for the water heater before the injector, flyback drivers.

Using HHO with ionized hydrogen using 660nm leds in the resonant electrolyser is also a plan. So with all this together combined the water vapor, ionized air, HHO, exhaust gases I am hoping good results.

Nice approach.  After reading his work, I think it's a combination of things too to accomplish the end result, they are built one on top of each other.   using a 2N3055 and a few resistors you can built a simple drive circuit, or get more involved with a 555 timer, or Diode/Capacitor HV bridge.  It will be interesting to see you use the full spectrum of O2, rather than just the peaks too. I'm sure you'll get a good result.  There hasn't been to much in the way of the "Gas Processor", so this would be interesting.  

Quote from Quantum on June 4th, 2012, 07:53 AM

Quote from nbq201 on June 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM

Quote from Jeff Nading on June 4th, 2012, 08:25 AM

Quote from Quantum on June 4th, 2012, 07:53 AM

Quote from nbq201 on June 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM

The "Gas Processor" was different in Ionizing Air
If it was for Oxygen then it would be in the peak 615.8nm range of  Amber/Orange
LED's from the spectrum.    It's been reported that Oxygen is at it's peak at 777.19 nm, also which is in the  Longwave Near InfraRed scale, but it doesn't appear on the spectrum chart.

I agree, the 615 and 777nm are helping in the first electron removal from O atom so it will be ok for creating the O I as also the 645nm. For O II i would use 407nm. For O III 396nm. And for O IV 373nm. But every single led has effect on not jut one transition but for almost every transition from O I to O IV and this is good.

Now I am building my Air Ionizer with common elements what can you buy at stores. When its finished i will post my results. I am using flyback transformer around 125kHz for creating the positive corona discharge in a reflective tube in inside what will be illuminated by the LED's pulsing light on same frequency 125kHz but in 180 degree out of phase. For electron extraction will try out a few things for example a light bulb in series, resistive wire, dense screen mesh with steel wool or something like this. To test the ionizer i am planning to mix the ionized air and burn it with PB gas maybe, and of course will put it on some kind of engine air inlet witch will use regular fuel, sucking the air only trough the ionizer. I will also insert negatively charged fine water vapor in to the engine trying to minimize the benzine consumption. Now I am planning the driving circuits for the LED's, injector, temperature controller for the water heater before the injector, flyback drivers.

Using HHO with ionized hydrogen using 660nm leds in the resonant electrolyser is also a plan. So with all this together combined the water vapor, ionized air, HHO, exhaust gases I am hoping good results.

Can you post your flyback circuit and how it connects to the flyback transformer,if you have it already? Thanks Jeff.:D

My current setup looks like this.
The strange thing is when I connect the UC3844 pin5 to GND it stops working. I have tried with UC3843, UC3845 without success...  Its working around 125kHz and with low input current making nice corona discharge. My power supply is 17V.

Quote from Quantum on June 5th, 2012, 09:20 AM

Quote from Jeff Nading on June 4th, 2012, 08:25 AM

Quote from Quantum on June 4th, 2012, 07:53 AM

Quote from nbq201 on June 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM

The "Gas Processor" was different in Ionizing Air
If it was for Oxygen then it would be in the peak 615.8nm range of  Amber/Orange
LED's from the spectrum.    It's been reported that Oxygen is at it's peak at 777.19 nm, also which is in the  Longwave Near InfraRed scale, but it doesn't appear on the spectrum chart.

I agree, the 615 and 777nm are helping in the first electron removal from O atom so it will be ok for creating the O I as also the 645nm. For O II i would use 407nm. For O III 396nm. And for O IV 373nm. But every single led has effect on not jut one transition but for almost every transition from O I to O IV and this is good.

Now I am building my Air Ionizer with common elements what can you buy at stores. When its finished i will post my results. I am using flyback transformer around 125kHz for creating the positive corona discharge in a reflective tube in inside what will be illuminated by the LED's pulsing light on same frequency 125kHz but in 180 degree out of phase. For electron extraction will try out a few things for example a light bulb in series, resistive wire, dense screen mesh with steel wool or something like this. To test the ionizer i am planning to mix the ionized air and burn it with PB gas maybe, and of course will put it on some kind of engine air inlet witch will use regular fuel, sucking the air only trough the ionizer. I will also insert negatively charged fine water vapor in to the engine trying to minimize the benzine consumption. Now I am planning the driving circuits for the LED's, injector, temperature controller for the water heater before the injector, flyback drivers.

Using HHO with ionized hydrogen using 660nm leds in the resonant electrolyser is also a plan. So with all this together combined the water vapor, ionized air, HHO, exhaust gases I am hoping good results.

Can you post your flyback circuit and how it connects to the flyback transformer,if you have it already? Thanks Jeff.:D

My current setup looks like this.
The strange thing is when I connect the UC3844 pin5 to GND it stops working. I have tried with UC3843, UC3845 without success...  Its working around 125kHz and with low input current making nice corona discharge. My power supply is 17V.

Thanks for the schematic Quantum, I want to play with this one, Jeff.