light and energy.

Mike.Powers

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #25, on July 1st, 2011, 06:37 AM »Last edited on December 23rd, 2011, 12:34 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
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Thank you for all you have done so far, and I know you haven't stopped yet.
The point I was trying to make is - every atomic structure has it's own photon emission spectra. That is why a mass spectrometer works. By reading the emission spectra of a substance you can tell what it's made up of. Bill Williams can more than verify this. He can show you his own mass spectrometer.
So, depending on what you are using in your MEG or gas-gun determines what part of the spectrum you need to use.
I fully understand the how's and whys of photon to atom energy transference and am here to help - just like you.
:D
So, if anyone here needs to know exactly what wavelength of photon's to use in their device, all you need to do is tell me what gas and doping agent's you are using and I will tell you the parts of the spectrum you need - and do my best to hunt down the LED's or laser's for you.

The purpose of the electron extraction device is to extract electron from ionized atoms. The lower parts of the light spectrum will not ionize an atom. Only the upper parts of the spectrum will do that.
Case in point - with hydrogen in it's lowest energy state, infrared will move the electron within the shell but wont kick it out. Deep UV will kick out the electron. 91nm will instantly ionize the hydrogen proton when it's in it's lowest energy state, but getting a 91nm laser or LED is impossible unless I make the laser for you.
But, if you use the IR to move the H atom into a higher energy level, a 405nm will ionize the proton - so a 91nm laser isn't needed.
:)

Once again - thank you for posting the links and for all you are doing.
Peace and light.
Mike.

I know that as a group working together - We Will Get This Done..
RE: light and energy.
« Reply #26, on July 1st, 2011, 12:32 PM »Last edited on December 23rd, 2011, 12:36 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
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Quote from Mike.Powers on July 1st, 2011, 06:37 AM
Thank you for all you have done so far, and I know you haven't stopped yet.
The point I was trying to make is - every atomic structure has it's own photon emission spectra. That is why a mass spectrometer works. By reading the emission spectra of a substance you can tell what it's made up of. Bill Williams can more than verify this. He can show you his own mass spectrometer.
So, depending on what you are using in your MEG or gas-gun determines what part of the spectrum you need to use.
I fully understand the how's and whys of photon to atom energy transference and am here to help - just like you.
:D
So, if anyone here needs to know exactly what wavelength of photon's to use in their device, all you need to do is tell me what gas and doping agent's you are using and I will tell you the parts of the spectrum you need - and do my best to hunt down the LED's or laser's for you.

The purpose of the electron extraction device is to extract electron from ionized atoms. The lower parts of the light spectrum will not ionize an atom. Only the upper parts of the spectrum will do that.
Case in point - with hydrogen in it's lowest energy state, infrared will move the electron within the shell but wont kick it out. Deep UV will kick out the electron. 91nm will instantly ionize the hydrogen proton when it's in it's lowest energy state, but getting a 91nm laser or LED is impossible unless I make the laser for you.
But, if you use the IR to move the H atom into a higher energy level, a 405nm will ionize the proton - so a 91nm laser isn't needed.
:)

Once again - thank you for posting the links and for all you are doing.
Peace and light.
Mike.

I know that as a group working together - We Will Get This Done..
(This post was edited from is original content.)[/quote]Very good example my friend, and great explanation as to how the Meyers process works.
Thank you.
One of the things that we need to consider is, the H will garner electrons from the block of the motor, it's part of the CKT, ground if you will - hooked up to the neg on the battery.
The MEG is a different story, the mag-gas system will garner electrons from the ambient background. If we extract electron from the gas in one point, it will gather them back from the air around the device in another spot. It's truly an ambient background tapper.

I will be in Memphis for the next few days, working on my love's home and turning 50 on the third. But I will be checking in here as often as I can.

Peace and Light.
Mike.

Forum Administrator

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #27, on July 2nd, 2011, 12:51 AM »Last edited on December 23rd, 2011, 12:36 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
Russ,

Perfect Example of why I reccomend everyone that wants to post a link goes to File>Save page as complete archive, or whatever equates to this in whatever browser being used.

Take the "." off at the end of the url and that link works, as well I will post a saved copy as this way we have it backed up on the server.  I know this isn't the best method, but it ensures at least the text is saved.  Any reccomendations are appreciated.

M



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this link dont work.

http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Laser_pumping.

is there a PDF you can attach to the thred?

thanks,
~Russ[/quote]

phil

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #28, on July 4th, 2011, 03:36 PM »
Quote from txqNL on June 10th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Speaking of xenon lamps I've seen a vid where people flow there hho under vacuum direct over a 5000K xenon bulb and than in car.
(very danger!!)
And claiming it made a huge improvement for the gas, but could not find it again 123.
Ive seen that vid you're talking about, and also couldnt find it when i went back to look some months later.
RE: light and energy.
« Reply #29, on July 4th, 2011, 05:09 PM »
Quote from h2opower on July 1st, 2011, 10:02 AM
Everyone needs to hear what you said as that is correct. A good example I can give goes like this:

If I built two rooms and placed in these rooms 50k watts of energy into standard light bulbs in one and in the other tanning bed lights what would happen to you if you sat in each room for six hours? Answer in the standard light room nothing would happen to you, but in the tanning bed light room you would need medical attention. But why? What made the difference between the to rooms that would do this to you? Answer, one has a wavelength of light that will be absorb by your skin and the other does not. If the light isn't absorbed by the medium you are trying to deal with nothing will happen to it is the lesson to be learned here.

Now on the electron extraction circuit the ion/electron currents seen in the MIT video will move in the direction of air flow. So by placing a B+ voltage in the air stream you can complete the circuit and light the bulb with the electrons that got stripped off of the atoms or molecules depending on what medium you are dealing with. For Meyer's Gas Processor he set it up to take these dislodged electrons away from the system so the ions would not be able to recombine with them and thus not be able to reach a stable state prior to combustion in the combustion chamber. Then the conservation of mass comes into play when these unstable atoms go to form the water molecule. The water molecule can not be formed until all missing electrons are accounted for so the hydrogen atoms have to manufacture these electrons as a result. The oxygen atom has a more electro negativity so when an electron shows up it gets first pick at having them and the hydrogen atoms have to make more electrons. This is what is taking place with Meyer's words saying it is prolonging the formation of the water molecules. The hydrogen atoms can't revert to anything else so they have to manufacture the missing electrons. It took a lot of college chemistry to see that clearly.

happy building everyone,

h2opower
Stan Meyer in a nutshell. I like it mate.
RE: light and energy.
« Reply #31, on July 24th, 2011, 04:57 PM »
Quote from Mike.Powers on July 1st, 2011, 12:32 PM
One of the things that we need to consider is, the H will garner electrons from the block of the motor, it's part of the CKT, ground if you will - hooked up to the neg on the battery.

The MEG is a different story, the mag-gas system will garner electrons from the ambient background. If we extract electron from the gas in one point, it will gather them back from the air around the device in another spot. It's truly an ambient background tapper.
Could have been a positive earth vehicle, early VW's were , 1967 apparently they changed to negative earth as it encourages rust. It would have been an easy thing to change round on stans buggy before installing the WFC and all its wiring. Then maybe the electrons attracted to the positve block.

The magnetic gas is supposed to covalantly link up. That is share one or more pairs of electrons. So if we strip electrons off argon its gonna be wanting electrons to fill its outer ring. True it'll try n snap em up from wherever it can. But we wanna make sure the only electrons it gets are ones that the magnetized iron will share with it. The argon and the iron will be joined in a lattice and stable at room temperature because they will both have the right number of electrons in their outer shells and wont want any more. This is what i think stan meant about being hundreds of millions of new chemical compounds. The fact we can join anything with anything by electron extraction. I can see there being medicines with no side effects because they contain just what you need, without all the long chain molecules that have to be added to stick the thing together. The possibilities are endless!




firepinto

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #32, on July 24th, 2011, 06:14 PM »
Quote from phil on July 24th, 2011, 04:57 PM
Could have been a positive earth vehicle, early VW's were , 1967 apparently they changed to negative earth as it encourages rust. It would have been an easy thing to change round on stans buggy before installing the WFC and all its wiring. Then maybe the electrons attracted to the positve block.
That is an interesting point.  I wonder how Stan's kits were going to get around that if it was a problem?  Most cars in the 80's and 90's had negative chassis, I think Porsche still made some positive ones or still do?  Maybe the kit was going to include a rewired starter motor?  Not to mention rewiring everything else like the radio.

Nate

phil

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #33, on July 25th, 2011, 07:30 AM »
If your putting the gasses thru the inlet manifold I can see having a negative earth vehicle being a problem , if you are doing the water spark plug/gas Injector set up that has a ceramic insulator in it where the ionization and ignition occurs. So you get the removal of electrons and ignition inside the combustion chamber.



~Russ

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #34, on July 25th, 2011, 08:25 AM »
Wow, you guys are deep...

From what im doing...

I will be focused on processing the Oxigen and it will need a a positive terminal...

All a'n intresting conversation goong on here. I like it! :)

~Russ

Blazer

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #35, on July 25th, 2011, 10:12 AM »Last edited on July 25th, 2011, 10:42 AM by Blazer
Quote from firepinto on July 24th, 2011, 06:14 PM
Quote from phil on July 24th, 2011, 04:57 PM
Could have been a positive earth vehicle, early VW's were , 1967 apparently they changed to negative earth as it encourages rust. It would have been an easy thing to change round on stans buggy before installing the WFC and all its wiring. Then maybe the electrons attracted to the positve block.
That is an interesting point.  I wonder how Stan's kits were going to get around that if it was a problem?  Most cars in the 80's and 90's had negative chassis, I think Porsche still made some positive ones or still do?  Maybe the kit was going to include a rewired starter motor?  Not to mention rewiring everything else like the radio.

Nate

Hi All another observation to confirm something different on Stans Buggy.  If you look at the first run video you can see a large alternator. In the view from the rear of the buggy you see the back of the alternator??  If the motor spun clockwise would not the alternator spin counterclockwise??  I often wondered why he used the VW aluminium engine.  That is the only commonly used engine I know of that is air cooled and each cylinder is independantly bolted to the block. I think he could have isolated and changed ground at the combustion cylinder at a couple of locations. Cylinder to block?? Cylimder to head??  He may have even isolated the head gasket and used that as the ground?? Just some thoughts.

phil

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #36, on July 25th, 2011, 02:19 PM »
I tried thinking of ways to isolate the engine, or parts of it. but theres just too much conductive stuff all round. Push rods, camchains, the driveshafts. Ive got a little 50cc moped engine on a test bed to play with when i get that far, thankfully its got a rubber intake and about an inch of aluminium before the intake valve.

I always thought it was a VW golf engine he used? If it was the air cooled beetle engine that could well have been pre 1967. If he was fooling with this stuff in the 80's a 20 year old engine from the breakers yard is a possibilty?
RE: light and energy.
« Reply #37, on July 25th, 2011, 04:08 PM »
[attachment=141]                Argon - If we take some electrons off here with LED's and the EEC.


[attachment=142]                Iron - And take some more electrons off here, according to the patent using the spark gap.


[attachment=143]                Covalent bond (this pic is not any particular chemical, just to give you the idea) - And they should join up like this once enough electrons are gone from the iron and the argon by sharing a pair. Or maybe more pairs to make a double bond.


[attachment=144]                Lattice structure.

Im sure theres more to it than this, like how many electrons to take off or making sure the iron and argon dont repel eachother instead of bonding due to their charge.

firepinto

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #38, on July 25th, 2011, 06:24 PM »
Quote from phil on July 25th, 2011, 02:19 PM
I tried thinking of ways to isolate the engine, or parts of it. but theres just too much conductive stuff all round. Push rods, camchains, the driveshafts. Ive got a little 50cc moped engine on a test bed to play with when i get that far, thankfully its got a rubber intake and about an inch of aluminium before the intake valve.

I always thought it was a VW golf engine he used? If it was the air cooled beetle engine that could well have been pre 1967. If he was fooling with this stuff in the 80's a 20 year old engine from the breakers yard is a possibilty?
I think the engine in the dune buggy was original to the vehicle, but maybe pulled from a VW bug or bus when it was built.  The dune buggy looks like a kit or was purchased new.  Dune buggies usually had the rear mounted VW engines, since the first "dune buggies" were made out of chopped up VW Bugs.  A golf engine would be from a front wheel drive car, and the valve cover would occupy the space where the fuel tank is, and the accessory belts would be on the passenger side of the engine.

Years ago I heard that the original VW bugs are still made in Mexico.  Not sure if that was a rumor or not?

Blazer

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #39, on July 25th, 2011, 08:32 PM »
Stan had stated in his first run video that it was a 1600 cc VW aluminium engine.  If that was the standard bug engine I know the alternator was mounted backwards. Question  If you reverse spin an alternator will it reverse the polarity??

~Russ

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #40, on July 26th, 2011, 01:17 AM »
Quote from Blazer on July 25th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Stan had stated in his first run video that it was a 1600 cc VW aluminium engine.  If that was the standard bug engine I know the alternator was mounted backwards. Question  If you reverse spin an alternator will it reverse the polarity??
no it will not.

an alternator produces AC (ether direction) then there is a 3 Bridge Rectifier that turns it in to DC.

So it dose not mater what direction the alternator spins.

~Russ
RE: light and energy.
« Reply #41, on July 26th, 2011, 02:26 PM »Last edited on December 23rd, 2011, 12:38 PM by ~Russ/Rwg42985
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Quote from Rwg42985 on July 26th, 2011, 01:17 AM
Quote from Blazer on July 25th, 2011, 08:32 PM
Stan had stated in his first run video that it was a 1600 cc VW aluminum engine.  If that was the standard bug engine I know the alternator was mounted backwards. Question  If you reverse spin an alternator will it reverse the polarity??
no it will not.

an alternator produces AC (ether direction) then there is a 3 Bridge Rectifier that turns it in to DC.

So it dose not mater what direction the alternator spins.

~Russ
(This post was edited from is original content.)[/quote]Thanks for the corrections! Good to know. ~Russ

phil

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #42, on July 26th, 2011, 03:50 PM »
I was just down the shops and bumped into of of my neighbours, he still had on his work uniform turns out hes worked for a precision engineering company for the last 15 years, and has got 2 missing fingers to prove it! (lathe accident), and i never knew!

I was asking him how much to make me a quenching disc. He says depends on how many holes and how many drill bits get snapped, can do ceramic or 316. I was thinking go with more holes and block some up if they are not needed. Im hoping its something he can do on his lunchbreak for a bit of beer money, he he!

I was trying to explain the water sparkplug to him but i dont think he got that one, so he said bring him some pics/drawings and hell tell me how feasable it is or if its going to be ridiculously expensive. Who knows, it may spark his interest and wanna help me out?


Blazer

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #43, on July 26th, 2011, 09:34 PM »
Hey Phil I was thinking of a production method to use 316 and drill the holes in bar stock then cut to thickness so the drills never break thru the bottom.  Just a thought.

~Russ

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #44, on July 27th, 2011, 04:44 AM »
Quote from phil on July 26th, 2011, 03:50 PM
I was just down the shops and bumped into of of my neighbours, he still had on his work uniform turns out hes worked for a precision engineering company for the last 15 years, and has got 2 missing fingers to prove it! (lathe accident), and i never knew!

I was asking him how much to make me a quenching disc. He says depends on how many holes and how many drill bits get snapped, can do ceramic or 316. I was thinking go with more holes and block some up if they are not needed. Im hoping its something he can do on his lunchbreak for a bit of beer money, he he!

I was trying to explain the water sparkplug to him but i dont think he got that one, so he said bring him some pics/drawings and hell tell me how feasable it is or if its going to be ridiculously expensive. Who knows, it may spark his interest and wanna help me out?
sweet deal Phil!

~Russ

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~Russ

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #48, on January 4th, 2012, 01:38 AM »
hey guys check this stuff out, sent to me by Jacob W, i have seen this a while back but it is so fun...

Hydrogen atom emulator  :

http://astro.unl.edu/naap/hydrogen/animations/hydrogen_atom.html


also attached a photo he sent me. we have been over this but here i another diagram from NASA

enjoy!

~Russ

freethisone

RE: light and energy.
« Reply #49, on January 4th, 2012, 05:14 AM »Last edited on January 4th, 2012, 05:16 AM by freethisone
Quote from ~Russ/Rwg42985 on January 4th, 2012, 01:38 AM
hey guys check this stuff out, sent to me by Jacob W, i have seen this a while back but it is so fun...

Hydrogen atom emulator  :

http://astro.unl.edu/naap/hydrogen/animations/hydrogen_atom.html


also attached a photo he sent me. we have been over this but here i another diagram from NASA

enjoy!

~Russ
The Energy Motion.. got it.
That was very cool Russ, from there I found this.
A slightly different form of light, but still related..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_wwZS3_eFI&feature=related

Cheers..:heart: